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That's so strange I thought this was a great episode and another home run from Ryan O'Nan( aka Donno, he co-wrote this as he did Carrion Comfort and Duck Hunting). They packed so much story and action into the episode. I don't think they were saying Emily was right, I think they used that conversation to show how raw of a wound his partner's death is for Beau and then had Emily act like a typical teen because she IS a teen. And Jensen's acting was absolutely stellar in that scene and every other scene he was in(nearly all of them this week were intense and personal in different ways). I think the Cornhole Cult is being set up for a future storyline. I think this is just an introduction precisely so when that happens people don't go "but where did they come from all of a sudden?" Sure they got arrested but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have some contacts, someone who can get them off. (and yes the Bennetts on Justified was exactly who I was thinking of). What I wasn't crazy about was the apology to Carla, not because of what Beau said but because of what Carla did not. Carla clearly doesn't think she did or ever does anything wrong. Beau's partner was killed a little over 2 years ago and she ditched him and remarried in almost record time. Yes he handled it badly, for whatever short period of time she stayed but she was hardly some long suffering wife. She can leave, it's her right but then she needs to be able to say "I'm sorry I wasn't able to be there for you too", admit that this was an incompatibility in their personalities, rather than someone's(Beau's) "fault". Not just sit there taking his apologies for not immediately "getting over" his partner's death and handling it badly for whatever number of weeks she stuck around like she's some sort of princess who dare not be inconvenienced. Jensen acted the hell out of it so there was zero wrong there, I'd have melted at that "I will always love you" if it was said to literally pretty much anyone else(except that slimeball Avery).

Which totally missed the point of what I was saying, which had nothing to do with that. Taking that single line out of context to respond to something that wasn't being said. My response was focused Dean, Castiel, Sam showing up and NOT being "for a ratings bump" and this part of my response wasto show that the show was always possibly planned as a "one and done". BEFORE the "change in landscape" I mentioned(ie the sale of the network, departure of Pedowitz, and so on).

Dean, Sam and Castiel will be there(assuming they are) because Dean, Sam and Castiel were ALWAYS going to be there, it won't be for a "ratings bump" it will be because it was always a planned part of the story. Frankly the story as it's going to now IMO points to definitely Dean and very likely Castiel as well showing up, with potential for Sam as well depending on how they decide to get there, that seems planned into the story itself. And even in the initial announcements about the show, it was mentioned that The Winchesters was the "first" SPN story Chaos Machine wanted to tell, not the only one. I think there was always a pretty good chance that The Winchesters as we know it would be a one and done storyline and they could even potentially go an anthology type route in the sense that they do something more like a season long limited series and then do a different one. I think both possibilities were something that has always been planned for. Like if the landscape hadn't changed so much and TW was a runaway massive hit, they could choose to keep it going but if not IMO they've always had other ideas for following seasons to possibly even run concurrently to a continuing Winchesters.

This might all tie into the Akrida storyline - Dean may not realize he's not actually where he's supposed to be yet or again it may be something that ties into having to rescue Cas from The Empty. After all when Bobby said Cas was helping Jack, Dean didn't actually seem shocked, it was an expression that could potentially be interpreted numerous ways. Maybe the Akrida are a fail safe Chuck set up, if he can't have this creation, no one will and without him the Akrida can break through. They aren't his creation but he could keep them out(however) and without him there to "type in the code"(so to speak) they could start breaking through. In any case that would be an easy enough way for Season 15 Cas(Misha) to show up. Either to help Dean or Dean helps him.

Or this is taking place in the space between dying and Heaven so Castiel doesn't have to time travel so much as show up where ever this space is. Or maybe...this is how he gets rescued from The Empty?

I don't need it to be what I'm speculating it is, but to me it's pretty clearly going somewhere, it definitely has a viewpoint and what is happening matters at least within the SPN universe.

Yes they did, when his letter in the pilot said "If you've received this I'm dead". The guy hasn't been seen in 15 years, and they get a letter saying "If you get this I'm probably dead" it's a pretty sure thing they are dead. And yes they established Henry was a MoL, he's the one who gave Dean and Sam the key to the bunker, because he was a Man of Letters. They both knew they were legacies. Henry time traveled but then he died. When he died in our present, he died in his past as well. A person who time travels but died in the future it still going to be dead in their own time too. A person who is dead is dead, it doesn't matter where you are(assuming Chuck or the angels weren't interested in emotionally torturing you for their enjoyment and no one family members messed with the natural order to bring you back to life). Anyone who is still alive still has their soul connected to their corporeal body, so they can't be called in a seance, which calls forth a non-corporeal spirit, someone who is dead is no longer attached to their corporeal body, they can be seanced. To take it a little further than the show, naturally someone from let's say 1910 isn't going to know Johnny Smith who was born 2087 and died 2192 ever existed to call them forth in a seance. The whole thing about calling a spirit is someone has to be either emotionally attached to them or have something that belonged to them. They don't necessarily have to know them personally but it makes it easier but they have to know of them as an individual person, not just a vague idea like "future descendent from the 25th century". So someone from the past isn't going to be able to call someone from the future they never knew or whom they have no personal items. But on the other hand, I think this tells us something about when the show it taking place - this has something to do what Dean is looking into. Dean knows Henry is dead. Henry is dead in Dean's time, Dean could have theoretically reach him in a seance, so they can reach him in a seance. Dean's story and his parents story is connected and eventually they are going to meet. The songs that are being played are connected(Dean literally said I'll be picking the music, so was Roxy picking the music, or was Dean?). Drake, Meg, etc they have all said everything has meaning, the songs have meaning, they weren't just chosen to be cool(though I'll be honest I'm burned out on research and analysis, etc I'm pretty happy to go along for the ride so I haven't actually studied the lyrics). Colors, clothing, the story parallels they have meaning, they aren't just happening for the hell of it. They are planned. They are the reason for the story. I think possibly the reason some people don't have any ideas about what's possibly going is because they aren't thinking about that. IMO this is taking place in the space after death but before heaven, where Dean has to figure something before he can moving on(ie meet Bobby outside the roadhouse) and seeing something his parents went through that he didn't know about will help him do that. I don't know exactly why or what, maybe this is some sort of trap set by Chuck, a sort of failsafe if he was ever pushed out of heaven, and Dean being Dean noticed it felt wrong and decided he had to figure it out. Or it could be for some totally different reason. But I do think we've been given some pretty good signposts for what direction the story is heading in, so IMO Robbie was not wrong about that. And I believe they decided to treat 7 and 8 as a sort of unofficial 2 parter. Now I don't think this is anything like Season 7 and the Leviathans storyline as someone else mentioned but let's say that's the case, what was that related to in the mothership? Purgatory. So is this, not purgatory, but a place like purgatory in the sense that it is neither heaven nor hell? Or you know what else else was black and gooey? The Empty. Actually those are all PLACES, I don't know if we've visited the actual transition between one space and another. This would be a liminal space, a space of transition between two planes. Perhaps this is new, or something that Chuck didn't allow access to when he had control and wanted to keep souls in Memorex.

Yep on the CW timeslot means pretty much nothing. They moved SPN around every few years and it generally had nothing to do with ratings, which were always steady(except that time they moved it to Friday nights trying to kill it, and it didn't work LOL). And with the The Winchesters they are apparently playing the previous week's The Winchesters episode in front of the new episode for the rest of the season, which is hardly a criticism of it's performance "this show's ratings suck, let's show it twice"? How much sense does that make?

Makes sense, I didn't even realize The Flash was still going I thought it had already ended. LOL But what it also shows, given it's a Tuesday night, that they may feel confident enough in The Winchesters demo that they believe it can be OK with the move and possibly loosing a couple of points off it as usually happens in the 9pm time slot(it will still be doing better than most of the shows on the network even if it does lose3 a couple tenths)

It's not underperforming, it has the best demographics for a new show on the network. They moved it because they need to fill the time slot as Professionals is over(it was only one short season), they put on the encore because episode 7 is supposed to be a big episode for starting to reveal where the story of the season is going and to air that and episode 8 together after a 6 week break makes perfect sense(not that my sentence does, sorry). I would bet they'll pair it with Gotham Knights starting the next week.

Curly hair can be like that - one minute it looks good, then it gets hit with a wave of humidity and poof. Both John and Carlos would likely be susceptible to that given they both have wavy to curly hair. Plus running around, working on things, running hands through hair. Plus given they are filming in New Orleans(and apparently quite hot and humid during this episode) it's probably something they deal with in reality. Yeah sounds like a Pac Man Fever type Djinn.

Yes she's meant to be much older given she was working with and a friend of John's father who disappeared 15 years ago when he was 4. They don't have the internet to check stuff with, they wouldn't have reason to converge on Lawrence. Our gang notices because they are already there, that doesn't mean people from outside the area would already be noticing. If anything at most they might notice a little less activity in their own area and just think it's a slow couple months.

They talked about half hour comedies which often have younger-ish skewing demos(neaer to 18-49). no one wants over-49 demos. The ads you can sell for time slots in those shows do NOT pay good money. Who cares about their 1 million dollar licensing fee when they would be losing whatever the difference they made up in crappy ad revenue, they'd break even to what they have been making now at best. They want 18-49, they want decent ad revenue. No one gives a damn about what 65 year olds are watching because advertisers won't pay good money for them. Nexstar does not want to keep losing money like the CW did. The old system was the CW basically being a place for CBS and WB to make some shows while making the money back on overseas and streaming deals. That's what Pedowitz had in place, why do you think they could say SPN would be on for as long as Jensen and Jared kept signing? Because the CW ratings didn't actually matter that much - they made money on the Netflix licensing deal and the popularity of SPN internationally. They let the Netflix deal die, so now CBS and WB really had nowhere for those shows and CW was basically just barely treading water, because the Netflix deal was what kept them afloat. Without it, the CW has been losing money for years.

That's not what Nexstar has said, when they say "older" they mean 18 - 49 instead of 18-34, which was the CW's old target demo. They still want shows to have viewers in the 18-49 age group. AA, AAH and TW have the highest percentages out of the shows they are airing.

All American, AA:Homecoming and The Winchesters have the best demos on the network.

I think one thing possibly in TW's favor is that it is produced by both WB AND CBS, so that's a split in the costs and then there is Chaos Machine who would potentially be able to bring in some of it's own financing partners if necessary. It's not a case where ONLY CBS or ONLY WB needs to cover the costs.

Not sure, probably the army but I did see a photo of Marine snipers with very similar hair but I didn't want to post a photo of guys pointing real guns in a wartime situation(even though it was clearly on base so they weren't actually targeting a person) so I settled on this one instead. IMO John's hair is perfectly fine for what he was and where he was going. He finished his tour, left the country, was discharged and went home(after a visit to Murph's family). I doubt in real life anyone really would have cared all that much about his hair. When he combed it and put product in it it would be suitably tame looking.

Most likely they consider Cassie a consultant on a case by case basis. Which is actually pretty common on tv shows when they want to have a cop and non-cop working together on police cases and is a real life "job". Per Zip Recruiter, definition: "Another form of police consulting is when an independent consultant is hired by a department to perform investigatory duties related to solving or prosecuting a criminal case. Typically, these jobs are filled by former police officers, private investigators, or forensic specialists." So Jenny actually can set Cassie up to work at the Sheriff's department for now, as a consultant. Obviously Beau wouldn't be against it. I can't remember from the previous season but I believe Jenny may also have part ownership of Dewell and Hoyt Detective Agency. If so Jenny's may still be involved in the detective agency in that way, even if she's not working as a detective anymore.

He had just gotten back in the pilot. I think he said he'd been back about a week? If you at pictures of soldiers in Vietnam they often had some fairly long hair, not unlike John's, including Marines. It's really only relatively recently the military has become such a stickler, it used to be they shaved your head for basic but then you could just wear a regular style afterwards.(obviously not real long but within the normal styles, even if you look at soldiers from WWII they usually had the normal longish top, shortish sides that was fashionable for most men at the time). Just as a quickish example, all the guys in this photo without hats on have pretty much John-length hair:

Seth Gabel is 41 years old, he's definitely old enough to be the killer from 20 years ago. Which is not to say he IS the killer but he's old enough to be it. Cassie is still working for the parents of the backpacker(and if she solves the case there may be some reward involved), she told them she would find out who did this.

Yes they have made it pretty clear, they also still need shows for next season, they aren't going to be able to develop a whole stable of them between now and then. The shows that have good demos are the ones most likely to make it another season, while they are still developing shows more in line with what they are going for(reality, half hour comedies), and TW so far has done really good with the demos AND it has a young relatively unknown cast meaning it's not as expensive as some shows, the only lead who is relatively known is Meg. Which means it is still important to support the show.

It doesn't mean it's over, it means the shows need to have something they can build on, not cost an exhorbitant amount for what they are getting out of them. They most likely will still keep some shows for at least another season. If The Winchesters demos keep up, which they have been, it'll probably be one of the shows that makes it until next season.

I'm pretty sure she'd hardly be the only teenage girl who didn't die her eyebrows the same color as her hair. And there are some people who have dark eyebrows and light hair(and some people who have dark hair and light eyebrows). Or he may just "read" like a hippie. Hippies weren't particularly liked in the early 70's either by small minded types("Sign said long haired freaky people need not apply..." as the song went), still doesn't mean they'd get beat up in a mental health group. I was kid in the 70's but I was around, I know things were different.

The cars are mixed which would be accurate, most of them do not look like they are from the 50s but there are decent number of 60s cars which makes sense as it's only 1972 just like it would be unusual to see a lot of 2015/19 cars in a show made this year. There are always people who break the mold and Carlos probably does get his share of jerks BUT he's a hunter and can take care of the jerks because he knows how to fight. They probably usually end up very sorry they messed with him. Often there is more tension when there are are more "minorities" than when there are only a few, because then the majority worries they may be pushed out or taken over but one or two they can let it slide or treat like a novelty. Not saying it's good or right but it's not unheard of. Also Carlos did tell a pretty revealing story about himself right away and it probably made it easier for them to just see him as another vet. They may just think he's a hippie, to them guys with long hair and frilly clothes were always suspect but it didn't mean they went around beating up every hippie they saw. Many young vets went all out hippie after they got back, as a reaction against what they'd been through. When he basically made it known to Millie he was bisexual or homosexual, it looked to me almost like it was a challenge, he was trying to be light but he kind of tensed up, like he wants to be himself and be honest and doesn't want to put it off but it's also his friend's mother and he doesn't know how she's going to react. I thought that was some really good subtle acting on Jojo's part. I don't think he just announces he's gay to everyone. Unless I missed some dialogue I don't recall him saying anything about that in the Vet's group. I don't get the issue with Meg's eyebrows, not everyone has thin brows, She has naturally thick eyebrows, as do Jojo and Nida, both whom have even thicker brows.

No I don't believe it was. It's the usual, generally speaking when you first meet people you don't get to know all their secrets and weaknesses and pain, that comes as you get to know them. We're getting to know them, they are getting to know each other better so it makes sense that the rawness would come out after a bit. Seems to me that Robbie, Jensen, et al have been pretty careful in how they planned this so I don't think it's any kind of change.