MrSmith

Oy. Yeah, completely agree here. The bad tanning, bad makeup, poorly maintained hair with a terrible cut that does not compliment her, the weirdness with her eyebrows and - for me - that huge dimple in her chin. Christ Almighty! You could just about mine for .... something in that thing! I was going to say "gold", but that's not right. Iron? Coal? Bauxite? Uranium? Whatever it is, you could open pit mine for it. That's for sure.

This is why I love these forums! You never know when you're going to learn something useful!

If this was me, I'd just take it as another opportunity to grab my wife's ass. >:D OK. I like the red outfit on the left and the blue/white outfit to that woman's left (our right). The rest should be burned.

I agree with both of these as to why Cecile is not incompetent and why Joe won't hold the loss against her.

I agree with you. I loved that Ralph made that speech. The actor delivered it very believably and really invested the emotion of someone who's lived it into that speech. Overall, that whole part was just perfect. It made me like Ralph a whole lot better and I'm looking forward to what else they do with that character in the future.

This was the kind of thing that killed Vampire Diaries for me and (eventually) my wife.

This is an interesting thought. Perhaps that's part of their plan? Thank you for the clarification.

I'm not sure if you're serious here. I certainly hope not because this was probably the worst-written episode of this entire show, from season one until now. Here's why: Barry would have a verifiable alibi for Devoe's time of death. The time of death would not have lined up with the call to the police to report the "murder". The detectives would have been able to tell that Devoe died somewhere else and was brought to Barry's apartment. There would have been no blood splatter and no blood on the wheelchair, the walls, Barry Allen, the christmas tree, etc. (And where was the wheelchair, btw?) The physical evidence would not have supported a murder charge, in spite of there being 12 stab wounds. The coroner would have been able to tell the corpse was "stabbed to death" after it was already dead. Devoe, in the body of the guy he's taken over, would have been forced to testify that Barry Allen was at his (adoptive?) father-in-law's house at the time, since there were multiple witnesses there putting them both at that location. The defense's win would have been a slam dunk if the prosecution were foolish enough to actually take it to court. The other thing that bugs me about this episode is why is the DA so happy to put a cop behind bars? Even if he personally dislikes Barry Allen, putting a cop behind bars stains the entire department. I did think the thing they did with Barry talking to Iris in court while they were moving so fast that everything else was basically on pause was pretty cool. However, I would think that Barry would be used to that effect since it would happen every time in order for him to appear as, at best, a blur to everyone he's running past. This episode was so poorly written that I actually - and for the first time - seriously considered pulling this show from my DVR. When I am so irritated by the poor writing that I have to pause the episode 10+ times to bitch about the massive, obvious, stupid logic fails, that show usually doesn't survive the night on my DVR.

Come on now. You know they need a storyline. Apparently, the only storylines available to them were lame ones used to scare children into distrusting the government. Got to set those children up for a life of "bleeding the beast" though, I suppose, and that would be among the best ways to accomplish it.

I think that question is the first question Cain's wife's friends asked after he got kicked out of Eden for killing Abel. heh. I don't understand why anyone thinks that. People only change if they want to change.

I would go so far as to say she thought she could change him.

That's better. All I can say about that is there are always going to be people who want to be "celebrity adjacent", no matter how minor the celebrity or how tragic the trainwreck that celebrity is. From what I've seen, sycophants is a better descriptor because they all seem to be yes-men where the Browns can do nothing wrong no matter how poorly the Browns treat each other (or, in the case of Meri, how poorly she treats her "fans").

I wish she had replied that way. That would be perfect!

Debatable, really. From the portions of two of his videos that I watched, my opinion is he would make the world a better place by departing it. But when you're a woman who wants a man at any cost, his being alive is only a negative if you're .... twisted.

Near as I can tell, his sole redeeming quality is that he's not dead.

Glad I can make you laugh! LOL I don't really hate the Browns. I can't get that worked up about things that don't actually affect my life. I just dislike the five adults because I think they're liars: about polygamy, how "great" it is, how good their relationships are, and how "superior" it is to monogamy, and a number of other things. They're also demonstrably lazy, arrogant, and (often) narcissistic. The adults continue to lie to themselves, each other, and everyone they come into contact with (either directly or via the show/social media/etc) and they refuse to acknowledge the real consequences of their choices, and then they're amazed when their lives go sideways at every opportunity. In spite of all that, they have (amazingly) somehow managed to raise children into decent adults. Logan, Meriah and Hunter all seem to be doing well. Mykelti and Madison are falling into their parents' orbits and habits, from what I can tell based on their social media postings and what's shown on the show. However, that still gives the Browns a 60% win rate and I find that remarkable. So, I generally dislike the five adults and find them grating and annoying because I believe in being honest and dealing with reality. I've found, from prior experience, that when you choose to ignore reality, then your problems magnify and when they finally blow up they do so in absolutely devastating (sometimes devastatingly crippling) ways. At the same time, I find it absolutely fascinating that these five people seem to be completely incapable of learning from their mistakes and are able to continue charging ahead while completely oblivious to reality in spite of the debilitating depression they experience because of it. (Janelle certainly deals with this, which she has detailed in tweets and blog posts on her "STRIVE with Janelle" web site.) As far as when Robyn came on the scene, Kody was absolutely a dog in heat - and made no attempts whatsoever at hiding that fact. All he wanted was to spend 100% of his time with Robyn because she still had her looks and the novelty of banging her hadn't yet worn off. His contempt for Meri is barely disguised when she's around and is otherwise laid bare when she is absent. Meri would leave this shitshow if she could so without losing any face or damaging the familiy "brand". I think Janelle regrets coming back to this family after she was out for a while. I don't think Christine ever really wanted a husband; she just wants the ability to be a stay-at-home mom and so she's getting the life she wants (but she still wouldn't mind being rid of Meri). The fact she always wanted to be the third wife is evidence of this, in my opinion.

Well, I mostly pay attention to them for two reasons: They have put themselves in the public eye. I enjoy periodically trying to force one or another of them to acknowledge reality. Though, the second has gotten me blocked from Robyn's, Meri's, Jenelle's, and MSWC's Twitter accounts. So now I have to be more careful if I want to continue to be lazy and access some of their Twitter accounts while logged into Twitter (read "logged into Twitter" as "without having to open an incognito window in my browser").

I'm glad there are people in the world like you. I wish I were capable of being more forgiving and accepting. I've tried; it just takes too much work. LOL. But especially with the way the world is now, I wish we all could be more forgiving and accepting.

Heh. You're watching the wrong channel for that!

OK. I just found this on a STRIVE twitter post. I was like "WTF?" and completely dumbstruck. I almost responded, but decided against it since it was months ago and since I don't want to be blocked from the STRIVE twitter feed. What I wanted say is "There are these professionals called 'doctors' and they have actually gone to school to answer questions just like this one." On an intellectual level, I've always known there are people alive who are this fucking stupid, but it's an entirely other thing to be faced with empirical and irrefutable proof.

I would just like to point out that in America this is definitely not true. Ownership of the photo remains with the person who took the picture, unless they have turned over copyright ownership to someone else, which requires filing transfer of copyright with the federal government. Assuming the person who took the photo has not done that (and most people don't bother to file copyright with the government, which leaves them with implicit rather than explicit copyright protection), then the photographer maintains control over the image. The problem for victims of revenge porn is they have to file for explicit copyright protection for the images they want removed from whatever site|s, which of course then makes the images searchable in the government's database. It also means that copyright examiners are going to be seeing the pictures you don't want seen. As for pictures you've sent via text message or any other medium, while the person who received it owns that particular copy, you can still sue to force them to delete or otherwise destroy it. Professional photographers, such as for weddings, prom, yearbook, and so on, maintain copyright ownership of the pictures you paid them to take. When they sell you a print, they're actually (implicitly) licensing that print to you. The typical implicit license is that the print is for your own personal use and that you won't use it to promote another business/charity/etc without first getting explicit permission. As long as you don't violate that license, then it is basically granted in perpetuity to whomever claims ownership of the print (making it possible to pass the implicit license on to children and grandchildren). Obviously, if you hire the photographer to take pictures to be used in advertising or what-have-you, then the license agreement allows for that (but this is usually spelled out in a contract). The same is true of hiring a videographer: If you hire them to take video of your wedding, the implicit license includes the caveat that you won't be charging admission to watch your video.

@andromeda331 Exactly! There's nothing about polygamy (as a man, not even the sex!) that I have seen that I would consider to be a positive or a benefit of that type of relationship. I could practically write a dissertation picking it apart in detail. I'm not going to because we're pretty much all on the same page here, have seen the same things, and have similar expectations for our relationships.

This is what always galled me about Meri's over-sized, unnecessary house - and Kody's refusal to rein her in. If it had been me, I'd have straight up told her she's not getting a huge house because she's got one kid and that kid is leaving the nest in the next couple of years. If necessary, I'd have metaphorically bludgeoned her with the Bible and whipped out the passage "From each according to his ability; To each according to his need". Then again, I tend to believe in living within my means.... Oh, believe me, nobody here is going to attack you over this. I recall it being discussed before. And believe me, it's something my wife and I still discuss between ourselves. In fact, we just discussed it last night while watching Seeking Sister Wife. It's asinine and, in my opinion, simply a way to perpetuate male dominance. I'm sure someone else will be along to discuss this with you in more depth and the conversation will probably be very interesting. But it's unlikely anyone here will disagree with you.

Oh man. I am right there with you on this. That couple was ridiculous. It was very clear that she had coached those kids. And I am sick to death of Phil and his fucking polygraph tests. I don't give a shit if Jack Tremarco has been administering them four times a day for 1000 years. They're bullshit masquerading as pseudo-science and all the sheeple believe that they're accurate.

We finally got to watch this episode. Here's my take on things. Auralee: Her speech impediment is definitely not a lisp. I would guess she probably has a cleft palate and possibly some hearing impairment. My older (adopted) brother had a cleft palate and spoke like that until it was fixed. He also was born with hearing problems and has worn hearing aids for several decades. It's very clear this is Drew's favorite wife, given how long and closely they embraced when he got home. Angela: She's only excited about all things plyg because she's new to it and she's guaranteed to get most of the sexual attention. April: Stop playing games and being deferential OR stop getting angry when you don't get what you want. Sheesh. Just say what you want and say what you mean. Don't expect Drew to be able to read your mind. Drew: Stop being stupid. Also, stop being passive when it comes to helping your wives settle their differences. Take some control or expect to end up living with three unhappy harpies. If you were smart, you'd have put April in the master bedroom without any discussion. As someone else noted somewhere, the master bedroom is the power seat, and if you were smart you'd put your first wife there. The Snowdens: You're both fucking idiots. If you want more children, adopt. There are plenty of children in this country alone who need a good home. There's no rational reason to engage in polygamy. If you're not willing to adopt, then simply accept that you're going to have three children and that's it. You can have a very close, loving, stable family without having 18 children and four wives. Plenty of people manage this feat and they remain monogamous. The Alldredges: They seem mostly happy, shockingly. However, they're just as disingenuous about their perceived superiority as polygamists over monogamists as the Browns, the Dargers, and every one of these other asshole clans that go for polygamy. Personally, I'm hoping that the addition of a third wife will end up being nothing but pure misery for the lot of them. I'm sick to death of all these assholes who claim that polygamy is sooooooooo superior to monogamy and act like the challenges they face in life are sooooo unique that monogamous people could never hope to understand let alone actually overcome them. Fuck. All. Of. You! I'm also sick of the false dichotomies they use to justify their decisions. One of the stupid Alldredge women said "I want a great husband and great father [for my kids]. He's great and if polygamy means I have to share him with a few people, so be it. I'd rather do that than have a mediocre husband all to myself." This really pissed me off. As if the only two choices are "mediocre husband and monogamy" or "great husband and polygamy". It's shit like that that I just can't stand. We'll probably continue to watch this show, but I'm definitely going to be hate-watching it and wishing them ill fortune in their relationships the entire time.