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All those people have terrible political games, and that’s why they lose. Nany has the potential to have a good political game, but she refuses to be the driver. She’s always a passenger on someone else’s bus. Leroy, same as Nany. Leroy’s likeable. No one dislikes him and people are willing to take him to the end. But that’s the problem, people always have to take him. He’s a backseat driver. Aneesa has no political game. She has the relationships to win but refuses to use them... and she’s stubborn. That doesn’t make for good politics. Her stubbornness is what gets her thrown into eliminations every time. Kyle, in my opinion, has the greatest political potential of all the people listed. Kyle’s politics could be AMAZING, but he’s a floater. Nobody has any loyalty to a floater. Floaters don’t win. Jenna doesn’t know how to politic. She’s the only person I can think of that can get by WITHOUT ANY POLITICKING! Jenna doesn’t ask for favors. She doesn’t ask for anything in return. Jenna isn’t having any secret conversations. Jenna isn’t plotting. Shane is a shitty person IMO. He’s an explicit, in your face, shit starter that will always put a massive target on his own back. Shane makes himself an easy name to vote into eliminations. Tony is a terrible politician and a shit starter. Like Shane, Tony makes it easy to say his name.

The elimination challenge was interesting. I thought the idea of them getting a skull while being in bounds was not thought out well because what if they both got 5 skulls. I thought they should made the winner of each round the person that rips the skull off the other first or whoever gets their skull to the pedestal first. They showed more of Dee this week than they have in the previous 2 weeks. 😂 I thought they were gonna stick to the back of her head like they were doing in the challenge but no... you actually got to see her face and you got to see her name being slid into the window at Tribunal nominations 😂

FOREWORD: Fuck Nelson! Chapter 1: He actually seemed like a decent human this episode Chapter 2: ... but that's only because someone else out shined him in the stupid department this episode.

I have to say that I thought this was the best episode out of the last 2 or 3 that we got. I liked the daily challenge, it was some good drama, and I liked the elimination challenge. Nany is just... never gonna win one of these things. She'll win when she stops playing a scared game (...and when it's not required that she goes into an elimination to get to a final). The people that play scared games don't win these things.

Here's the thing about Bayleigh losing her shit... Remember when the house voted in Jenna because they thought she wasn't mentally in the game anymore? How did that same logic not apply to Bayleigh? Bayleigh's been losing her shit damn-near the entire episode... and before the house vote. Why target Melissa who wants to go in and is mentally prepared to go in? Melissa was itching to go in. When they're itching to go in, keep them on edge. Make them anxious. Even though Bayleigh wanted to go in, she's has been off her rocker since Chris left. She also wanted to go and be with her man. This would have been the best time to strike. Kick her while she's down.

I remember the monkey thing. He did the monkey thing.

100% agreed! I would pay to see that fallout after Dee got back from that tunnel digging elimination. That could have wrapped up the Dee saga perfectly. After that, edit her out for the rest of the season. Watching that transition from that half assed (albeit, short notice) 1 hour episode we got to that nicely edited smooth episode from last week MADE ME CACKLE! To know that they are purposefully avoiding her face IS HILARIOUS! What made me really laugh... was during the tribunal voting during Purgatory. She’s heard but not seen. You don’t hear her boo or cheer anyone. They don’t show anyone looking at her while she’s voting. It’s a swift “my votes for Kyle” and she shuts up.

They let them have access to something like a house phone, but no personal cell phones. Thee cast basically sees nothing from the outside world; no TV; no phones; no printed media. On the more recent seasons of Real World, they've let them have cell phones.

I imagine that since Cory isn't new to the Challenge house, he knows he won't have access to a phone and limited access to web calls, therefore, he should bring physical photos. Kailah had physical photos of her and her current ex-boyfriend. I assume he's shacked up with the new baby mama. I would pay to watch I Love Money 3... TO THIS DAY! I loved that trash back in the day.

I know we're only seeing a part of what's going on. From what we see, it seems like Johnny doesn't give as much attention to Melissa that Josh does. Josh, overall, seems to talk more than Johnny. Johnny doesn't seem give as much material or ammunition for Melissa to comment on. Josh goes in for a hug and Melissa's like get the fuck away from me, you fucking liar. Josh coming into a room saying he wants a red skull. That entices Melissa to say I'm glad you don't have a red skull or any other flippant comment about not having a red skull. Whereas Johnny just sits back and listens. During the house vote, Johnny just says "My vote is for Kyle." There's not much room for comment there. Josh SWEARS ON HIS FAMILY'S LIFE THAT HE LOVES KYLE BUT WILL VOTE FOR CORY... and Melissa's like swearing on your family doesn't mean shit, you liar. Josh brings more material to the table for comment.

I want to point out that while Melissa was yelling at Josh, Kyle called Josh a floater. The ultimate floater, arguably the best floater this game has ever seen, called Josh a floater. That cracks me up!

BY THE WAY... Am I the only one that thinks Melissa can read me bedtime stories? Her voice is perfect for narrating fairy tales. I can imagine her reading 3 little pigs or something, and me slowly drifting away into a peaceful slumber. LOL!

They still have to slim down the amount of players left. Don't we usually go into a final challenge with maybe 6 to 8 people? My guess is that the purge challenge won't happen until after everyone has red skulls OR after a certain amount of players left (with or without red skulls), which I'm also guessing would still be followed up with an elimination.

The thing I find amazing about the Dee edits is that when she's shown you can barely see her face. When they have to show her, her face is not to the camera and we're looking at the back of her head; when they have to get a wide shot that includes her, it's shown for a second or it's a drone shot that's so far away that she just blends with every one else and you can't single her out. Knowing that this isn't the normal edit that they planned and that they are purposefully avoiding her camera time just cracks me up. At least there isn't a shortage of work for them during the pandemic. LOL! - My feelings on Cory winning over Chris.... same - TJ said something to the effect of the guys not having much time left to get a red skull, so I took that as there's at least one other opportunity left to get a red skull. Also, I'm waiting for that point in time to come where there's no one left without a red skull, where only there's only people with red skulls to choose from. This game has been too peaceful and diplomatic thus far... letting people go in to get their red skulls and giving favors by voting people in. This nice diplomacy shit has got to go. I want guerilla war in the Challenge house.

Josh is extremely delusional. Josh thinks he's good at the game but he's not. Josh has no allies other than Nany... maybe. Josh is of no use to anyone else. He has nothing to offer anyone else in the game. He has nothing to trade. But, we can argue that Josh is probably the perfect person to bring to a final. Unfortunately, Josh just isn't that good. He can be considered a layup in the final... but this is assuming that he can get past an elimination, which he has been terrible at in past seasons.

I'm sure Dee was center-stage until they edited her out. I saw the original edit of last week's episode with the original trailer for this episode, and that trailer included Dee and Rogan having a conversation about voting her into elimination and Dee not having it. I imagine the Dee-Rogan drama was originally supposed to be center stage. Those tribunal scenes were hilarious to me. They tried really to edit her out as much as possible. She's basically an extra. She's a background filler at this point. I guess it's a good thing Dee didn't sit in the center seat at tribunal. Forgive me... I forgot to add that Nelson is a fuckin' idiot!

Wow. What... an interesting episode. 1) Dee is making it impossible for MTV. Dee is in positions where it's near impossible not to show her. She wins the challenge and ends up on the tribunal and I thought "well, it's impossible to ignore her now. We have to see the tribunal scenes. How are they gonna handle that?" WELL... they handled it. I'm sure we missed out on some good Dee drama after being back-stabbed. 2) Josh is... something. Josh has no strategy. What is he doing? He talks about what's good for his game, but he has no game. 3) Chris... bye. 4) What kind of bullshit elimination was that? Where are the hall brawls? The physical stuff? 5) I thought Kyle's political game was better this season. Kyle's a pretty likeable guy. What the fuck has he been doing this entire time? 6) Regarding Melissa... I was literally thinking earlier today that Melissa is a bit more mature this season. We haven't seen that firecracker that we've seen in her past seasons... until this episode.

My DVR listings have been updated to 90 minutes so I guess we’re back to 90 minutes.

Something that I did not notice that was extremely petty of MTV... when the Tribunal puts the names in the little window slots of the people they nominated, they don't even show Dee's name being slid into the slots. That's so minute and petty.

Unedited version of the elimination starting from Johnny’s speech and asking Rogan to throw Dee in: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/h124kc/and_unedited_elimination_from_last_night/

I have my DVR set to record all new episodes. From what I can tell, it looks all episodes going forward is gonna be 60 minutes.

In addition to that: I found this (below). Apparently, they aired the same shortened version of the episode (that we got in the USA) in Canada, BUT they put the full originally planned episode on the MTV Canada website. I don’t think it’s there anymore though.

By the way, for every episode I've been saying Nelson is an idiot. I can't say that in this episode. For all I know, they probably cut out Nelson's moment of stupidity this episode.

Those clips provide 99% of the context of the entire episode. I assume they're gonna reedit the entire season, at least up until Dee gets eliminated, if she gets eliminated. I'm curious whether they're gonna keep the rest of the season 60 minutes or go back to 90 minutes, but feature less Dee. I'm also operating under the assumption that this episode is 60 minutes because it was a last minute change.

I don't like players like that. If someone's against you or trying to sabotage you, don't play a sympathy card... play the game. Outplay them; outmaneuver them; play dirty if necessary. Leave it to a vet like Johnny to know how to properly execute a revenge mission.