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That's not really what I meant... My problem is that I can't compartmentalize what we've seen on this series with what else is out there. Having listened to the various podcasts, interviews, etc and listening to Mark and Sarah speak over the course of the past year it DOES feel like they're still defending a good portion of NXIVM and what happened. Mark often tries to come across as a good guy doing good things who just happened to get caught up in "evil" (especially in this last episode). This series has put a lot of emphasis on DOS, especially the branding, while glossing over a lot of the other stuff: money laundering, underage sex trafficking, identity theft, Keith's crazy views on pedophilia.... Yes, they spent a little time on SOP, but even that came later in the series. After watching SEDUCED I have a better understanding of JNESS in one episode than I did in 9 episodes of this. And Sarah, Mark, and Bonnie have spoken positively in hindsight at times. The biggest portion of this series HAS focused on the evils of DOS. Meanwhile, there were a dozen other programs under the NXIVM umbrella that were screwy in their own way (like the school/daycare center). It's not surprising. Since this series focused on just a handful of people it's natural they'd only discuss the things that they were a part of. The 3 of them are only 3 years out. This series probably started filming 9 months ago. IMO they're still too raw to have full perspectives on what went on. As Nippy said, their psyches are probably still enmeshed. India has been out for even less time and I think the same thing about her. The difference is that her series isn't being completely run by filmmakers who were an actual part of NXIVM.

I know a lot of people who think this, or think that if you're not delivering natural that you can't feel your delivery and can't bond. I was medicated up the wazoo (literally) and I still felt shit. I think being medicated helped me enjoy the process. Bottom line, there are incentives and drawbacks to everything. People need to just let people do themselves. Bini seems sweet but a little...dumb? Lol. Or something.

Throughout this whole thing they've talked about being "brave" and how they were the first. Only, they weren't the first. That would be the NXIVM 9-the poor women who left in 2009 and we're harassed by members (aka Mark) for the next several years. And Toni Natalie. And Barbara Bouchey...

One of my biggest problems with this is that it seemed to want to say that DOS was terrible, but the rest of NXIVM was okay, and that's just not so. Everything, and everyone, Keith had his fingers in suffered. As we're seeing in the other program, JNESS was terrible, too. SOP was awful. The entire setup was awful. This is NOT a glass half full kind of situation.

It was really interesting to see Mark and Sarah as background characters.

I always thought he had a Ryan Phillippe look myself.

Speaking of husbands in the delivery room... this is an accurate representation of me and my husband during my first delivery: I'm having contractions and he's taking a nap.

Same. I lost 4 pints of blood from the rupture and it took several transfusions to get my color back. I feel ya.

I came out of my planned c-section looking like a goddess. I came out of my second delivery looking like the swamp thing.

True story: my BFF was in the delivery room with me for my first and one of her jobs was to do my makeup post delivery so that I could look good in the pictures. Oh, to be in my 20s again...

Hey! I resemble that remark...😉

They were on a break! 😘

If someone can prove to me that Cheesedick and Mayleeza's storyline is real then I'll gladly binge The Family Chantal. I think they broke up before filming and they're using the show to get the cat back to her.

It's like Flowers in the Corn Field.

Darcey + Top Bun are basically Twitney + Top Pony 2.0. I don't believe any of it.

My sympathy for Ari ended the moment she became conscious.

I think a LOT of this storyline is. IMO Kenny can really speak Spanish and they have no intentions of staying in Mexico indefinitely.

Not from me, either.

Same. Complete placental abruption and hemorrhage with #2. He was a preemie. Ended up with general anesthesia and didn't get to see him until the next day. It was best for everyone.

Since having kids I have "felt" every birth I've seen onscreen.

I think knocking Ari out with whatever they have available is the best thing for everyone. I tried to get them to chloroform me for the first two but they wouldn't. Damn Anthem...

I didn't before I had kids, but I dream about it now...

I seriously want to slap that smirk off her face.

Here's the board for India's series. As I said over there, after hearing Catherine's mom calling Nancy Salzman an idiot I might just start actually calling her "Princess Elizabeth."

"Welcome to the first women's movement started by a man..." Yeah. That right there made me side eye it. I already like this one episode better than all of THE VOW. And after Catherine's mom called Nancy Salzman an "idiot" and said JNESS was "complete rubbish" I may actually start calling her "Princess Elizabeth".