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The scars WERE there. Like noted above, they show Chloe touching them, and before the scene skewed into obvious dream sequence territory I was thinking the scars were going to be what broke the sexual tension. Either with Chloe getting distracted by them and asking or Lucifer freezing up the way he did when she tried to touch them previously.

If you look at the previews, they show Lucifer in Hell and then later with the doctor. So I think it's safe to assume he goes down into Hell and drags Doc back out for a little "chat". Now, what sort of deals he has to make with either Dad, Mom, Amenadiel, etc to pull this off will probably provide the set up for when the show returns in May.

Most importantly a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!! To Brandt and her husband. Such wonderful news and wishing Brandt a healthy, happy journey into motherhood! Personally I'd rather the writers don't write the pregnancy into the story. I feel like they've got their storylines already mapped out, they've set us on the path of those storylines and if they have to upend it now to quickly work in a "Maze is pregnant" storyline, it's going to be forced. If they do feel they have a way to incorporate a pregnancy into the story, at least -unlike with a 'human' pregnancy- they have a lot of options about what to do once the baby is born. A half demon child could be an infant for all of an hour and then boom, be Trixie's age by the next day and that's just the way it goes. There is no reason the baby has to stay a helpless newborn. Granted you risk running into Conner (of Angel infamy) territory, which may be worse than 'baby in peril' territory YMMV. They can get pretty creative with shooting around an actress's pregnancy these days. Maybe they have to back off Maze physically kicking ass, but they've shown that Maze's skill with words is just as kick ass, she could sit behind a counter, be a smart ass talking head and still be keeping everybody in line.

I may be in the minority but I don't think it would be in the show's best interest to wade into any sort of Christmas episode. The source material never touched that side of religion, it stuck strictly to the Old Testament and Milton. Yes, I know they are not following the source material to the letter but I just don't see them going there. For one, it doesn't fit with the mythology that the angels are Yahweh's 'sons' and second I think that would risk crossing a line into people's belief systems that the show has deliberately (and wisely) stayed away from.

Some points to maybe keep in mind. "Mom" is supposed to be a goddess on par with "Dad" himself. Though Amenadiel and Lucifer are powerful as archangels they are not god tier. Mom should be able to throw her boys around like rag dolls, just like Dad could if he ever felt the need. I don't think we should read Mom throwing Amenadiel about as he's completely powerless. If anything Uriel's ability to kick his ass a couple episodes ago was the bigger hint. I'd be willing to bet that Amenadiel is still stronger than your average human but whether or not he's still immortal is a good question.

I agree, I hope Chloe is not a 'magical girl' just for Lucifer and I want to have faith that the writers won't go that cookie cutter. They've lived up to that faith so far so ... What if it's the other way around? Comic spoiler time! I'm not suggesting the writers will go down that exact path, I think that would be just way too much supernatural stuff for the tenor of this show. Though I have to admit, it could be amusing to see her have to balance detective work, motherhood, and all of creation! That all said, I think the writers could get a lot of character development work out of the twist that Chloe is part of Dad's Plan for Lucifer. It will be less about "Chloe is a magic girl for Lucifer" and more about Lucifer's struggle to reconcile his own emotional connections, and that pesky problem of "playing a role in Dad's play." He is NOT going to like this manipulation one bit, the question is does he take that emotion out on Chloe and the humans he's come to admire and care about or ... what does he do with his anger? What has he learned about himself, as an individual and not just a construct of his father's design. And nothing to say it has to be all of one or the other! There could be a little bit of both. After all, Dad tends to think on a cosmic scale. ;)

Something to maybe keep in mind, with all these questions flying around, even though the show has stepped away from a re-telling of the source material, it's always kept some of it's 'roots' in that mythology. We've seen it in Season One with Father Frank and his belief that "Dad" has a Plan. We heard Lucifer fire back "Yes, but why does everybody believe it's a good one??" Yahweh's Plan, capital P is what Lucifer has been rebelling against since the start. In the pilot he told Amenadude he was done playing a part in Dad's play but that's the rub and ... it's actually a theme in the comics. But Lucifer can never truly be free, it's just not possible while in Yahweh's creation. 35 - 40 years in the future? Of course Yahweh can see that far, it's a drop in the bucket to him, everything is to his design; THAT'S WHAT LUCIFER HAS BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE START. Amenadude says that being sent down to bless Chloe's parents with a 'miracle' (he DID NOT bless Chloe, he blessed a childless couple to have a child) was a one time thing. Yahweh had never requested it of him before or since, so I think it's safe to assume that Yahweh placed Chloe exactly where he wanted her for his grander Plan. As for the romance angle, I'll admit I'm an anti-shipper so you can definitely take this as me grasping at straws but I agree with Bobbin that Luci and Chloe's sudden 'romance' in this episode is Luke and Leia -ish. I think that's why it was written/played so awkwardly between the characters. I don't think that Chloe is an angel or a "sister" in that respect but when Lucifer learns she is yet another manipulation by dear ole Dad he's not going to react well.

Amenadude's Jaguar.

Wow, there was a lot in this one. I have grown to enjoy this entire cast, I just want to say that and give Lauren Graham her due given how against Chloe I was in the beginning. That said, I loved every character pairing in this episode except the Chloe and Lucifer stuff. It was so poorly written fanfiction that I'm wondering if that was something deliberate on the part of the writers ... given the reveal at the end ... to make things awkward on the pairing. I hope so because if it wasn't, it was just uncomfortable to watch. Every other character match up? GOLDEN. EVERY SINGLE ONE

They already showed Lucifer with men in the first season. But fear not, (I say wryly) this is FOX so the show has firmly swung back around to heteronormative, as well as a few other tropes that I side-eye pretty heavily but it's FOX. Well it's Lucifer so I'm sure if the show pulls the trigger on the pairing they'll be everywhere BUT the bedroom. He does like his adventure. I'm assuming you mean Dan here? Since they're divorced Chloe has no say in who Dan sleeps with. She also has no idea who Charlotte Richards is, aside from a married lawyer. If Chloe would be pissed about anything she'd be pissed off at Dan for sleeping with a married woman.

Luci seems to have a healthy respect for what that knife means, in terms of "you're just gone". But I think his reserve was the fact that he didn't want to have to seriously fight Dan. Dan was under the influence of the knife, even though he was fighting it, which meant that if Lucifer escalated the confrontation to violence, Dan could have attacked to "kill" which would have backed Lucifer into the corner of having to significantly injure Dan in order to stop him. Lucifer didn't want that, so he was trying to diffuse the situation by adopting a conciliatory posture and pose; both to Dan and the knife.

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Speculation only!!! But! Mom's play may be to get "Dad's" attention, force Dad to come in close and then, having turned Lucifer and Amenadiel, the two highest ranking angels against him, set one of her sons up to kill Dad. Think about it. Lucifer said the blade was powerful enough to undo any being; Uriel was going to use it on "Mom" so I don't think it's a huge leap to infer that it would work on "Dad" also. After all, Death is one of the Endless. Mom gets the blade dug up by humans, knowing it will get back into her son's hands. Right now, either Luci or Amenadiel would do the trick. Luci has the blade and he gets riled up, emotionally reacting to the blade and also giving it a charge. This is right up Mom's alley. She's now got her patsy/scape goat to do the dirty work for her. All she has to do is get Dad down where Luci can reach him and then push things along. Luci kills "Dad" that frees up the Silver City for Mom's return with her remaining son and take over. I think that despite the excellent show Mom has put on for her boys, she's perfectly willing to sacrifice them to get the Silver City back. And think about it, it would also bring Lucifer's original fears (that she was going to kill him) back full circle.

Yes. Duncan, the landlord, was the first person. He got it from Mom's map. Then Duncan came down and started the fight in the yoga class. The ultimate survivor was the second yoga partner, who then turned on the yoga guru who had actually molested/raped her. Which was why Lucifer protected her at the final crime scene. Then Daniel picked up it and Lucifer helped talk him down (though a lot of it was Dan's own strength of will) and finally the blade is in Luci's hands.

In my opinion this was a beautiful balance of procedural and celestial.

The question I'd have "Is this a Big Secret"? Lucifer has never tried to hide who and what he is. Amenadiel lied, yes but Lucifer has never bothered. He's said he's the devil, he talks about "Dad" all the time, he talks about humans as if they are another species (which to him they are). He picks people up with one hand, he throws people through glass walls with barely a touch, he survives gunshot wounds. Outside of camouflaging the parts of himself that would directly hurt humanity, his divinity and until now his devil face, he's never tried to keep anything a Secret. It's been the people around him who keep explaining all this off. Now, Dr. Linda can no longer explain it off as "oh it's just his coping metaphor". She yelled at him to stop lying to her and stop wasting her time and he never has. He just finally showed her irrefutable evidence that she could no longer lie to herself. Even Amenadiel didn't erase any memories. He did lie to Chloe but it can be easily argued that Chloe wants to be lied to. Maybe not consciously but how else can we explain everything she has seen and the fact that she doesn't believe or continue to question any of it. Amenadiel gave her a nice lie, full of implausible holes but she was like "Yeah, yeah of course" because that's what she wants to see.

But the show has made the connection, both in season 1 and season 2. Season 1 we have the scene after Lucifer has indulged in a threesome, where he picks up and apple and with a sneaky grin says "hello old friend." Season 2 we have the line "My first club was a sex club, you may have heard of it" implying Eden.

This show is based of an already fictionalized source, which itself is based of a fictionalized source. There is absolutely, nor does their pretend to be any, tie back to actual Biblical or Theological study. Complaining about the show not following Biblical/Theological lore is like complaining M.A.S.H wasn't following proper military procedure. This is FICTION, suspension of belief for the sake of telling a FICTIONAL story and it appears the showrunners are pulling from multiple theological sources. Take the tree for instance where Uriel is buried. That hearkens towards Norse mythology and Yggdrasil. In other news something I noted but forgot to mention; Lucifer pulling his punch when he laid one on Dan. I think we were all laughing at what came before it, because Dan's utter shock at the hug was amusing, as was Lucifer picking his pocket but then the punch came. Given what we've seen Lucifer is capable of and how (unwittingly) deep those words hit him emotionally, the fact that he remembered to pull his punch again says a lot about who Lucifer is vs who he sees himself as. Likewise with leaving the $100.00 bill in the vending machine when he took the donuts.

I don't think any of what I'm about to write is a spoiler from the comics. In the source material this is based off of the Archangels Michael and Samael are first and second born. Michael first to create matter and Samael to mold it. So the hierarchy is, Yahweh wanted creation so he created his firstborn Michael to create matter and his second born Samael to mold that matter to his will and bring the light of life into it. So basically Michael and Samael did the heavy lifting. ;) Samael could not mold that which was not created, so he was not a "Creator" he had to have that from his elder brother Michael. But Samael was created deliberately WILLFUL in order to be powerful enough to bend and mold creation. Thus you get the argument that Yahweh knew exactly what he was "creating" when he "birthed" the willful Samael. We haven't seen it mentioned since "Favorite Son" but "Lucifer" is technically his title. Lucifer means "Lightbringer" which is Samael's title. As he said when he left the Silver City, he renounced his 'name' and took on his title. It's confusing that the showrunners have taken the Michael character and rolled him into "Amenadiel" (who is another character entirely) but there is no doubt in my mind on the show Amenadiel = Michael. As for Dad, I haven't seen anyone else mention it yet so I'll circle back to it. It is my OPINION (no fact here!) that we saw Dad all over this episode. I don't think they will ever cast "Dad" as a character the way "Mom" was cast. Instead, we saw Dad working through other people. Think about it: 1) When Lucifer ran into the one bar fly and spilled her drink. He is disoriented at the time, obviously lost to his thoughts and goes "I'm sorry, so sorry" and Ellis's delivery is perfect because it's that combination of apology for the moment (spilled drink) and also an expression of the mantra he's probably been repeating to himself since he killed Uriel. The bar fly, rather than being upset, gently and clearly tells him "It's okay, it wasn't your fault." Given how subtle these show runners are, I don't believe they paid an extra for a line (hey that shit costs money!) and crafted that scene with the "stop look" way they did to catch the audience's attention, just for fun. I fully believe that was "Dad" trying to send a message to Lucifer. Think about it offset to the way "Mom" is manipulating Amenadiel, trying to gather and focus his anger and grief into a weapon she can use (AKA evil) vs "Dad" with unconditional forgiveness. The juxtoposition being, Lucifer didn't "hear" his father because he wasn't listening/Dad wasn't right there in front of him and Amenadiel is "listening" too closely to "Mom" because she's right there in front of him. 2) The shooter. All those missed shots. Now granted the guy explains that he was just trying to scare Lucifer away so he could get to his intended target but he also says that he wasn't going to hurt Lucifer because it wasn't his fault. It's not quite as clear cut as the bar scene but to me the message popped out in the conversation, that like when "Dad" put Father Frank in Lucifer's path, "Dad" intervened again. ALSO it's a very little detail and hey, maybe it was just a blooper moment and they didn't have time/money to re-shoot but it struck me as interesting that when Chloe rolled up on the shooter, the guy went to swing his weapon towards her and his gun barrel got caught in the scaffolding. There is a definitely editing in "tink/thunk" sound of the gun getting caught up and you see the shooter go from "fight" to "surrender" when it happens. Like I said, maybe just a blooper but ... idk. Dad interfering again, keeping Chloe safe?

There is so much in this episode WOW! But I just have to shout out that IMO we heard from Dad!!!!!!!!!! Okay just a bit more. She may not have been bringing the MENACE but wow, Mom's manipulation was masterful tonight. Also to those who have read the comics ... oh look a TREE. It goes without saying that I loved Maze with Trixie. Maze helping Trixie dress up how she wanted. I know that Trixie just easily accepting Maze's true form was a telegraphed a mile away and a side of cheesy but I still loved it. Speaking of true forms ... Lucifer to Dr. Linda. I'm on board for next week to see how that pans out!

But the Doctor didn't make Rose look into the heart of the TARDIS, that was her choice. You can pick up the age old argument that has been laid at the Doctor's feet, that he makes the people around him into the instruments he himself claims to abhor and that is a completely solid, if deeply philosophical argument. Yes, it can all be walked back and laid at the Doctor's feet but at what point do we say that Companions are making their own choice? After all, one of the biggest parts of Martha's legacy was the fact that she is one of the few companions who realized traveling with the Doctor had no good end and walked away from him before she lost her life or her sanity. However, in terms of direct cause and effect, the Doctor did not curse Jack to immortality. In fact the Doctor explains, he runs from Jack because Jack is an abomination to Time, one of those fixed points the Doctor tries to avoid. If anyone is responsible for cursing Jack it is Rose and the TARDIS. They were the two instruments who inflicted immortality on Jack, the Doctor was begging Rose to stop and let it go but Rose was overwhelmed by the Bad Wolf and her power. The Doctor and Jack's relationship was always difficult. If you go back over it from the Empty Child forward, the Doctor was never at ease with Jack. Jack was the symbol of humanity tinkering with Time of their own accord, their own gain and benefit, and the Doctor didn't like it; he found it meddlesome. Layer in the tension around Rose, who was obviously the draw to both the Doctor and Jack, and it was always an uneasy and unbalanced relationship at best. Jack loved the Doctor. The Doctor (Nine and Ten) at best tolerated Jack. So from that respect, I have no doubt that as Ianto's feelings moved from 'using him' to genuine, he would be conflicted over Jack's obviously unrequited love for the Doctor.

Ten had nothing to do with Jack's immortality. It happened during Nine's watch and even then it had nothing to do with the Doctor. It was the result of Rose Tyler as Bad Wolf. "I bring life" Nine is the Doctor who then abandoned Jack, though it could be argued that Nine was in the middle of regeneration and didn't realize what had happened. Last he knew Jack was dead. If you want a heart-wrenching scene, watch the end of "The Parting of Ways" where Jack runs in on the TARDIS just starting to dematerialize. Not saying that as time went on the Doctor, now in his tenth regeneration, didn't learn about Jack and obviously avoided him, which was definitely rubbish and certainly grounds to make Ianto wonder why Jack was so loyal to the Time Lord.

Sometimes I wonder if streaming services like Netflix and Hulu haven't irrevocably altered the way the consumer wants to receive their story these days. It doesn't seem people are patient enough for an episode by episode serial telling of a story, to accept that some questions are answered in an episode and some are raised not to be answered until 3 or 4 episodes down the line. Hey I'll admit, I don't read comics for much this reason. I want my book series complete! This is not a knock, just an observation of viewing habits and what is raised on boards like these as concerns. This episode was full of so much and yet people are pointing out minor issues and hanging questions that, in my opinion, are meant to be left hanging. What we got to see: Chloe did damn good police work here. Maybe not the whole case of the week but at the end, when she faced her fears and calmly talked down the man pointing a shotgun at her. She was scared, she wanted to go home to her daughter but she didn't allow Lucifer to exacerbate the situation and possibly end up with gun fire. She talked the man through the moment. Maze was AMAZING this episode. She pretty much owned everybody. She told Lucifer and Amenadiel they were going down the wrong path. She had a clear, firm view on the situation and she didn't let them dictate her actions to her. She showed up and outflanked Charlotte with child management and also with laying it out to Charlotte what needed to be what. Maze was decisive, logical, took action and probably at the end of it all, right. If Charlotte had gone back to hell, Uriel would still be alive, Chloe would be alive, etc etc. Plus when Maze showed up for the fight with Uriel she was a lot more effective than Lucifer, though my read on that is Uriel has studied Lucifer since they were children, Maze was a complete unknown. Personally I found the church choreography beautiful. I have always loved the angel vs angel fights. I think they are choreographed to be brutal, and then edited with subtle sound enhancements to give them an otherworldly feel. These are celestial beings, not humans, they go toe to toe with strength, they're not trained ninjas. If you just look at the difference between the way Maze and Lucifer fight. Lucifer tends to hold his ground and throw power into his blows, or he charges and uses his body (power). Maze is quick, nimble, sneaky like a demon. He fights from a position of throwing his power around, he shows you head on what you're coming at, she fights from the shadows, she is an unknown and doesn't show you her full range until she's on top of you kicking your ass. It's subtle character stuff but it's there in the choreography and shows how the producers and crew of this show are still packing so much into what little they have. Because yeah, you can bet that FOX hasn't given them unlimited funds. The wings could be better, though even that is a story telling device. Uriel is meant to be something of the family joke. The annoying little brother who always tried to play with the big kids but just wasn't all that. He's shown as sneaky, where the other two have always been anything but subtle. It's why both Amenadiel and Lucifer underestimate him. Their hubris, their position as BIG BROTHER to Uriel has made them blind to the fact that ... things have changed. Even Charlotte was interesting. I wonder if she'd have actually allowed her boys to take her back to Hell. She certainly sold me on the decision when Maze showed up with her bags packed, so to speak. The last 10 minutes with Lucifer and Ellis had so much in them. This was Lucifer and his questions about Dad at the forefront. His frustration with the headgames was palpable and then, when he killed Uriel, the shock and horror at having become the murderer he insisted, for so long that he wasn't? Once again we're seeing the show pivot towards the next arc of story telling. So that brings me to the dangling questions. I think we're supposed to wonder why Uriel came down, if it wasn't at Yahweh's bequest. What did Uriel tell Lucifer just before he died? Amenadiel, the strongest of them all, has fallen ... will he get back up? If so, how? Is Charlotte playing the longest game to ever long game or was she genuinely shocked that her one child killed the other? Or is this exactly the sort of destruction and chaos she wants to sow? What about Lucifer's questions towards his father? All these things that Lucifer and other characters in the show are attributing to "Dad's behind this/Dad's going to do X, Y, Z" but is he? Circle back to Chloe's speech, about her refusal to accept the idea of Fate (Dad) and instead living her life with personal responsibility. So how does Faith fit in with personal responsibility AKA Free Will? Which I personally feel is one of the biggest questions this show tackles in among the jokes and quips. All these little threads tie together. You really cannot just toss away any part of this show, because it all comes back together. The problem is, it's being done week by week, which doesn't seem to be a story telling format that satisfies an audience anymore. I really wonder, if this show was on Netflix or Hulu and we were able to watch it all in one marathon sitting, if the same concerns would be raised. Maybe, idk people process stuff differently but this episode got me back on firmly for the ride into the winter break!

This is big deviation from the comics to be honest. So while there are pieces of it in what we see happen, it's not a direct lift from the comics. Something I found interesting, aside from all the good elements people have already pointed out, is the Uriel was acting on his own. He says he was preempting Mom going back home, because he needs to protect Dad. NOT that Dad sent him.

WOW Little bit of something for everybody in this episode. I'm still digesting all the nuances (and all the 4th wall breaks, Supernatural, Angel) but just when it seemed we'd seen Tom Ellis' range, he hits another gear entirely. The man is so damn good.