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has there ever been an episode where adam, nora or arthur prosecuted a case instead of ben or jack doing it? is that even allowed? was asking because of a sequal episode idea i had for the killerz episode not sure how accurate or correct any of this is legally and realistically but oh well basically jenny is fully grown and kills another little boy in a very similar way to the first boy, the detectives investigate and van buren recognizes the pattern and they discover it was jenny, she personally informs jack who is stunned but not surprised, they go to trial and jack decides to do the case himself instead of cutter or connie doing because he felt he had a duty to the mother of the first boy who was killed, we learn that the mother of the first boy who was killed by jenny committed suicide a few months after his death since her son's killer just basically walked from a murder charge and jack felt bad that he didn't get justice for the boy and her jack is unable for whatever reason to use jenny's first murder in the trial(maybe the records are sealed due to her being a minor or whatever) so he just decides to his best in court jenny's defense tries a mental defect defense(remember in the first episode they mentioned she was in a car accident and they thought she might have brain damage, if you have read about rl cases of brain damage you'd be surprised and horrified to learn how some brain damage can turn gentle souls into terrifying people) the case goes to trial and both sides present their case, it looks like the case could go either way, jack then offers man 1 with her doing the max in a pysch ward but she refuses then either the defense or jenny slip up and screw up in a way that allows her first murder evidence to be introduced in trial or alternately jack just does a good enough job in court jenny is then convicted of murder and when she hears the verdict, she goes ballastic and it takes 4 court officers to remove her, all the time she goes on a huge anger filled rant(remember in the first episode the one babysitter said she had a temper and was always getting in fights at school) like my idea? i'd also fix some issues like how strange it was that Olivet was compassionate for jenny, she would appear in the episode and jack chews her out for supporting jenny, one idea to make it tolerable her behavior was that she had worked with similar kids with issues, though none of them had killed anyone and she had managed to treat them well enough that they weren't a threat anymore even as adults and she thought maybe jenny could be treated, and she didn't realize that jenny's issues were far deeper then the other kids even though those kids had issues as well

well it appears diane most likely will never return with this thing, true or not https://www.eonline.com/news/1095983/law-order-svu-s-diane-neal-allegedly-called-mariska-hargitay-a-total-bitch-in-unearthed-emails https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/svus-diane-neal-denies-calling-mariska-hargitay-a-total-bitch/

i find it highly debatable law and order has always been progressive on lgbt issues this maybe come off as overly pc or sjw but i don't care gov love where jack nullies a bunch of same sex marriages just to try to win a case is one prime example, after that episode i stopped seeing jack as a good person, what was he going to do next, nullify laws that have poc have the same rights as white people so he could win more cases? let's see how van buren would like it if jack nullified her rights aint no love is another one where they randomly threw in that serena was a lesbian. i read that dick wolf put that in the episode because he thought it'd be good ratings or amusement that she was a lesbian, like seriously, we of the lgbt group are not props or things that you can use for your attempt at shock value, we are a person, a human being damn it

even worse then dani beck and chester? i was always meh about those two tbh

sorry if this comes off as overly pc or sjw but i wanted to ask another question, what things or episodes in law and order do you think have not aged well? one is the episode burden, it treated the kid who was killed as a pain or useless since he was severely disabled and that it was best to kill the child,even the title was rather questionable, i have several bad disabilities in my life and the way it was portrayed made me rather uncomfortable that said it did had one of my faviorite lines that was funny mccoy to defendant: mr sutter wasn;'t the first severally handicapped patient you have treated was he? defandant: no of course not mccoy: did you kill them all? defense: Objection!

since we are talking about uncovered, what are some other episodes where you felt the perp got off too easy or should have been convicted one is killerz clearly another is flight with the company walking away despite having sold very dangerous microbes, i hope the mother of the boy who died won the case, one thought is if adam was willing, jack tells the company he will drop the charges if they give the mother an acceptable settlement, otherwise he will continue the prosecution, he doesn't have to mean it, a good bluff can work wonders, i recall an episode of svu had novak tell a company she would drop charges if they paid for everyone's medical bills for life

i remember the angel one, i smell a successful appeal and retrial for the woman in the future because of ineffective counsel

I expect to get some hate for this but i wanted to say this I find the nicky character boring and unsympathetic He caused the death of an innocent child, regardless of the fact he was made to fight in a war he didn't want to be in, he had the option to just leave and he refused, he should have just left for all the good he did in the war, additionally he should have just left the kid alone Jack was right to cut him off for his actions Additionally he is nothing but an annoying pain in the present, don't know what kevin sees in him or the other two, he caused his own problems and we're excepted to feel bad for him? he turns down kevins offer to live in a place that isn't falling apart and leaking (I lived in a leaky place most of my life and would have loved to have somewhere that was well maintained) he wrecks the VA's window and could have hurt someone and then expects kevin to bail him out but is still rude to kevin(he should be in jail, maybe that would make him grow up) his drinking problem like the child and jack is his own fault and again we are suppose to feel bad for him he's just a pointless character who is unsympathetic and takes away from the show imo just wanted to get this off my chest

what are some of the most memorable defenses you can remember on the show? it doesn't have to have worked or you agreed with it, just ones you recall stand out the black rage defense in rage is one, also the ending of the episode suggested it might really have some merit

always liked that too, tell me, who here thinks if ben hasn't had max observe the doctor he would have still gotten a conviction on the doctor? just curious on your thoughts

here's a "fun" question, who are some of the most evil parents you can remember in the show? one notable one and arguably the most evil is the parents in smoked who sold their kid to a pedophile

agreed i always hate in shows when a major or fairly major show is written off and there's no reason given why they left, whether it's L&O or another show even if i didn't really like or care for the character, like a quick line would do like they did with joe like nora was only explained in a book, paul wasn't given a reason except in a press release, nina and arthur no explanation one thought i always thought would be amusing for nina to explain her leaving was some really fancy beauty salon or pagent was impressed with her actions that got her promoted, so they made an job offer and she became a private security or leader of security at the location

1 14th i think

well we get so little of carisi maybe he does have a trauma but we never knew because of how much benson and rollins crap we get instead

Who are some of the most evil youths you can remember in the show? jenny from killerz is the most obvious one, another one is the kid from trust

the best i can think of for polarizing is brian or the dana lewis character

huh tv tropes is usually pretty accurate with their information, maybe it was mentioned in some book like how the reason nora leaving was explained in a book but not on screen

on tv tropes they mentioned that it was revealed about joe fontata that the reason he was rich was he was an heir to some pasta company, not that he was a dirty cop, does anyonr know what episode or when it was mentioned how he was rich

Here's one question been meaning to ask, what are some episodes where you didn't agree with what the police or the da's office was doing, not if they were plea bargaining or dropping cases, but their actions One for me sorta was the episode where a cop used an underage informant and it got the kid shot and the one girl killed, to be honest i sided with lennie, also the kid broke the law in the first place and should have to suffer consequences for his actions, it's letting people off easy that has led to things like ethan couch or elliot rogers, likely the kid would have continued down a bad path if the cop hasn't caught him them another was the darwain episode, i am fully aware that the guy killed the other mentally ill homeless man for an orange but to be honest, it kind of felt like mccoy was mad at not being able to prosecute the lady who hit the guy earlier and give her a far harsher sentence and was taking it out on the man, i agree he deserved to be punished for his actions but i don't know it just felt like mccoy chose the nearest target to take out his frustration

maybe he doesn't want to rreturn to the dumpster fire that is svu and is too polite to tell them why.

yeah that annoyed me too and the ending was probably the most disturbing in that series, part of me always debated writing a fanfic that follows up, not sure if this is legally or realistically possible, basically the mother of the boy who was killed decides to file a civil lawsuit against her and the mother for wrongful death, jack then decides to try and horn in on it, and tries to get the mother of the girl to have her committed like they were trying to in exchange for dropping the civil suit, it works out lucky and she is committed, however an alternative idea i had was the girl realizes what was going to happen and actually kills herself to avoid being taken away or just to spite the da's office, might be too over the top or dark for the series though that a 12 year old actually does that

what are some episodes you wish had a second part or we saw what happened next? a few come to mind for me I would have liked to seen what happened next in dazzled with the girl who killed her dad's girlfriend, one idea i had was the defense for her tries an eed defense based off her parents fighting and them being bad parents and her parents actually agree to it and say on the stand they are bad parents since they felt bad for her and didn't want her to spend the rest of her life in prison I also wanted to see more of the episode homesick Also a follow up to the episode where the guy wasn't mentally ill but had a brain tumor that the doctor did nothing about would have been interesting since he was charged with manslaughter and would later be charged with murder, one thing that might have been interesting is if the guy in the tumor was released later and jack offered the doctor a deal since the tumor guy was going to be suing the doctor, for every 300k he gives the guy so he can enjoy his last 1-2 years alive, jack will take off 1 year of his sentence, however jack was recommending a sentence of 25 years to life for the guy;s death and 15 years for the one guy's death he indirectly caused to run consecutively, the doctor is only able to reduce his sentence to 36 years to life also wanted to see more of the chattel episode

Here's another discussion question, who are the most contemptible perps you can remember in the show? not necessarily the most evil ones The doctor in cut is one for me

oh i meant like not the main perp or villain of the episode like in falling, the parents who wanted to have the daughter undergo an operation to keep her a child forever, granted the mom was the perp of the episode but the father supported it as well.

here's a another discussion question, who are some of the most evil non main perp characters in the series you can remember?