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We definitely did. Asher in 2B was all about his guilt. He was drinking (most prominently in 2x10), he offered to turn himself in multiple times (twice in 2x12, once in 2x14) and he apologized to everyone with this speech (2x14): "Excuse me, everyone, if I could have your attention. I would like to offer all of you an apology. [...] Uh, I'm sorry for ruining your lives. Uh, yeah I don't know. Maybe none of this would've happened if you all hadn't killed Sam, or if whoever hadn't killed Lila [...] Anyway, the point is, I messed up and made you all stick your necks out on the line for me, and I just want to say thank you. Thank you for protecting me after I, you know - killed" [Connor interrupts] I'm by no means an Asher fan, his antics are like nails on a chalkboard to me, but to say he never showed guilt is completely untrue.

Actually you bringing that up makes me realize that was a flaw in the script. I mean isn't that an incident that didn't happen in front of any of our four main characters? So who was it "acted" for? Nope, Tahani and Jason are both there to witness that incident. I really can't recall any scene in which we've seen Michael without any of the four main characters (before yesterday's episodes of course.)

Now there's an underrated actress. She's great in HTGAWM and Bonnie and Paris are like night and day and nothing like Liza in interviews. Also since we're talking about unpopular opinions: Bonnie >>> Paris

People do. Basically every reviewer I've read in the last weeks made it a point to say that they hope she'll finally get Emmy recognition. Personally I'd agree that basically playing yourself and being able to talk really quickly doesn't necessarily mean you're a great actor, but I haven't watched her in enough other stuff to form a solid opinion.

I was debating posting this in the nitpicking thread, but I guess the general consensus being that Lauren Graham is the best actress in the universe makes this an unpopular opinion: It really bugs me that I can never tell when Lorelai is supposed to be drunk because LG plays drunk Lorelai the exact same way as sober Lorelai. She doesn't add a "drunk" layer to her performance at all and it really takes away from scenes in which she's supposed to be so drunk that her judgement is impaired. Her excuse for not being able to come up with a nice story to tell at Richard's funeral that she hadn't eaten in two days and "drank [her] weight in single malt scotch" fell completely flat, because she seemed absolutely fine in the "Let's all tell a story about Richard" scene.

People always say that as if Pete doesn't watch his own damn show. Yes, he didn't know who would be under the sheet when he wrote that scene for Viola, but he sure as hell took how Viola played it into account when he finally made the decision. There are 2 ways to write a story: The show runner plans out everything from the beginning and then makes sure that the actors play the scenes to match what they (as in the show runner) has in mind for later OR the show runner leaves things up to interpretation for the actors and then makes sure that the actors' interpretation matches the story. Annalise's reaction to the corpse left 2 options: A) If it's genuine, it has to be someone she would get that upset over or B) If it's not genuine, then it has to be an act and she needs to have a reason for that act. Pete chose the first option and he made it work. That's really all there is to writing: providing the context to make something work.

What people always forget is that Oliver did try to walk away. After they had broken up before Sam's murder (because Connor cheated on him) Oliver did not want to get back together Connor, but Connor deliberately wormed his way back into Oliver's life. He used the drug addiction he pretended to have as emotional blackmail to make Oliver let him stay ("If you throw me out right now, I can't guarantee that I'm gonna go straight to a dealer and buy an eightball." (1x11) and when Oliver told Connor "You know how you can't do drugs; that's how you are to me" Connor countered with more emotional manipulation by saying that Oliver was "the only one in [his] life [he] could trust." (don't have time to find the episode right now; will amend later) Connor also moved into Oliver's apartment without any prior discussion. Just came to Oliver's door with boxes of his stuff and said "It's done, Ollie. I'm already subletting my apartment." (2x01) Connor has been using Oliver as a security blanket ever since his freak-out after murdering Sam. Oliver wasn't wrong about that; he just has no idea why.

Did Annalise tell him the whole story about how his mother killed herself because Daddy Mahony tried to force her to testify that she saw Young Mahoney when Young Mahoney was actually killing his fiancée? That was how Annalise got entangled with the Mahoneys in the first place, remember? She defended the guy she's now framing.

I'm so scared for my American friends right now. I desperately want to contact them, but I don't even know what to say. "I'm so sorry your country doesn't care about you, you'll lose your health insurance, your bodily autonomy and your right to marry. *Hugs*" That just doesn't seem to cut it...

Didn't we all learn a thing about polls today?

My heart breaks for her too. Especially because you know that if she loses, people will forever blame her for not being able to defeat Trump and for "stealing the nomination from Bernie, who would have definitely have defeated Trump."

I don't get it either. My country is just as sexist as yours (until a few months ago our laws said it wasn't rape unless the victim physically fought back), but the old, white men making up our conservative party had no problem nominating and voting for a woman as head of state. But your liberal voters can't elect the most qualified candidate ever who just happens to be a woman? I had more faith in you.

Since you guys are all so frustrated by Florida's flip flopping might I suggest an exchange with Bavaria? Bavarians are ultra conservative nitwits but at least they're very consistent about it. Think about the offer; no need to hurry. As long as the deal's done before our general elections next September we're good.

I can't stand this. I have the same feeling as I had when I stayed up all night to follow the Brexit vote results (and we all know how that ended; I walked around like a zombie the whole next day because I was sleep-deprived and in denial.) It's almost 2am here and I should probably just go to bed and spare myself the waiting, but I don't want to miss finding out if the apocalypse is getting averted or not.

Did you mean this one: http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality I loved that article; it's such a well-thought out piece. Especially liked the analysis about a campaign based on listening instead of talking. I'm so glad we get two shows this week. I wouldn't want to miss out on neither this show nor the one we'll get on Wednesday regardless of what happens tonight.

She was answering the call and I'm pretty sure Bonnie has all of the K5's cell phone numbers since she was always the one telling them to come over when Annalise needed them.

Sorry to just barge in by I think this fits here better than in the thread I was going to post it: As a European the reaction to/perception of Hillary this year really surprised me. This was the first time I followed the primaries, so I didn't know what people said about/thought of her when she ran in 2008, but when I heard about her running this year, I totally thought she'd have it in the bag. Everything pop culture taught me about Hillary was that she was pretty much THE female US politician. On Gilmore Girls they have an episode in which Rory has a freak out, because she planned to write her college essay on her and was informed that that was a really unoriginal idea, because basically every girl writes their essay on Hillary. And that seemed completely logical to me, because of course you'd view Hillary Clinton as a role model after everything she accomplished. I always thought she was well respected and liked by the liberal half of the US population at least and I also knew about her history of working across the aisle, so I thought she might also have some Republicans begrudgingly respecting her. So imagine my surprise when all I read on the internet was that Hillary is one of the most disliked candidates in history, Democrats complaining about what a horrible mistake their party made by choosing her, people amending her slogan to "Guess I'm with her" and most surprisingly tons of liberal people declaring that they've always hated her. I thought the world had turned upside down, because I distinctly remembered Hillary being quite popular as Secretary of State, so I looked up her approval ratings and they seemed to agree with me. But I'm still not sure whether I am/was just terribly misinformed (which I concede is a serious possibility) or whether my impression that this is some "We've always been at war with Eastasia" history rewriting is correct.

I think that's actually the most obvious clue that the list was made by the EW people and not Pete. That article was published right after the season premiere aired. At that point the viewers had no idea yet that Simon would play such a big part this season, but Pete definitely knew that. So the EW people just compiled a list of characters who had been important to the show in the past. (If you ask yourself "Well, why was Soraya included then? She's new this season, too," that's because it was officially announced that the actress has been cast in a prominent recurring role before the season started.)

I'm 90% sure what happened there was that that poster planned to respond to someone in the Crazy Ex-Girlfriend thread, quoting them, then decided against it, but the quote stayed in their reply box. It's a pretty common bug on the site.

Oh, believe me all my American friends are voting for Hillary. I'm still scared for them, though. They're all gay/bisexual women and some of them have serious health problems. I'm scared how their lives would be impacted by Trump becoming President. I'm scared of the Republicans abolishing Obamacare and leaving my friends without health insurance (again). And it's horrifying to me that with one nomination to the Supreme Court decades of progress for the LGBT community could be made null and void and that even such a basic human right as women's bodily autonomy is in jeopardy. I'm speaking up where I can. I just still can't believe it even came to this.

"It’s great writing. It’s such a collaboration with Pete. For me, it was very important that Laurel’s father had nothing to do with the drug cartel. I was so passionate about that. The fact that he is an awful person, powerful, and has a lot of money doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s involved with that. I was very happy that we found a different profession for him to have, following my desire to not just be stereotyped." (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/06/how-get-away-murder-karla-souza-laurel) "First of all, it was so exciting to play opposite Esai Morales. And then the idea of Laurel’s father had been in the oven of ideas for so long. What does he do? The pitch of him being in this multi-billion dollar technology corporation was something I pitched to Pete because I didn’t want it to have anything to do with the drug cartel. That’s something in my activism that’s really important, to not play into that stereotype." (http://tvline.com/2016/10/06/how-to-get-away-with-murder-recap-season-3-episode-3-laurel-lies-annalise/) I'm always more of a fan of directly quoting someone instead of paraphrasing, so above are the quotes I found. You can read into these that Pete wanted to go in that direction if you want to, but I think you can also give him the benefit of the doubt since Karla never says it was his original plan, only that she worried about the stereotype. Here's the Christmas scene by the way: He says he didn't say anything about the politician kicking the ball closer to the hole "because [he] didn't want to lose that contract." So Laurel's father being in business with the government isn't much of a retcon in the first place. Still would like to know why they recast the actor, though.

I'm German. In the 13 years I went to school the topic most covered was WWII and Hitler's rise to power. Every year we had history class we'd start with that topic and then circle back to WWI. Every year in German class we read an autobiography from that time, post-war poetry and short stories, or the curriculum would find another way to talk about that topic like learning speech analysis by reading the White Rose flyers for example. The topic was covered in PoliSci class, in foreign language classes, in educational science class... The message that has been drilled into my head over and over again is "We can never allow this to happen again. It is our responsibility to prevent something like this from ever happening again." And now I'm sitting here, in my bedroom in Germany, and I'm seeing all the parallels between Trump's campaign and Hitler's (the scapegoating of a religious minority, the "We need to make our country great again" rhetoric, even the refusal of some liberals to hold their nose and compromise to prevent what they see as the worse of two evils) and there is literally nothing I can do about it. I feel completely helpless.

Re Laurel's father: I think it's a little misleading to say it was heavily implied that he worked for a drug cartel specifically. Laurel's father was mentioned/seen exactly 3 times that I can remember: 1. In the christmas episode we see him recount playing golf with a politician (City Commissioner Springer) and get angry that the politician cheated. Then he throws out Laurel for being disrespectful. (1x11) 2. When Annalise tries to make Laurel shoot her, she says: "You've gone through worse with your father." (2x09) 3. Before the first Wes/Laurel kiss she cries about Frank, saying he's just like her father who's "not a good person." She also says that's the reason she was always so calm about everything they went through with Annalise and that she wanted to get away from him. (2x12) To me all these clues certainly scream "Very bad man, probably a criminal", but if your mind immediately goes "Mexican -> Drugs" that says more about how Mexicans are portrayed on tv in general than on this show in particular imo.

No, it didn't. A union of ICE employers endorsed him. ICE is a government agency and can't endorse anyone.

Yes, she was, but from that episode it's also obvious that Annalise knew her before. Watch that talk they have in Annalise's office again if you can. Annalise asks Bonnie how therapy is going with Sam and Bonnie says "He's really helping me, like you said he would. And thank you for everything." So Annalise obviously recommended Bonnie go see Sam as a therapist (which she did); why would she do that for a random student she didn't know anything about? I think at this point she already knew about Bonnie's father.