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BETH IS THE LADY OF THE LAKE! BETH IS THE LADY OF THE LAKE! Sorry for yelling, but I just loved that. I liked this Cassandra and I liked Stumpy and I always love Jake. He was so much fun fanboying that prick professor until he realized what an idiot he actually was and then he was fun pointing out how wrong he was. Also liked Mindy the Cheerleader with her "just like every college, 1 in 5 students/professors/mascots go missing with no explanation." People will just roll with the crazy. Lizzie was interesting as a different take on magic being unleashed and I won't mind checking back in with her at some point or the girl from last season's science fair ep.

Still not a good guy. Extremely memorable, but not good.

Oh crap! Who gets Amy?

I watched it and I've loved her since then too. Episode related and completely shallow, damn, Fitz gets hotter every season. Iain did an amazing job all the way through. So glad the show's back.

Yes, but she'd be gone - hallelujah - so we wouldn't have to worry about that.

In my heart, she and Stiles open a detective agency name S & M Investigations at Lydia's insistence. The reason she doesn't do any of those things is because that would mean the writers would have to treat them like real characters instead of pieces on a chess board they can move into the "this is sooooooo coooooool" positions.

Tears of joy he didn't have to deal with Lucy and Daphney again?

There have been at least three instances where Stiles was willing to die to protect someone else and twice straight up said, "Kill me. I don't care." with Peter when he attacked Lydia in S1, with the nogitsune in S3B, and S4 when the substitute assassin held a gun to his head. His dad's life is more important to Stiles than his own. I don't think Stiles wants to die or is suicidal, but if it's a choice between his life and someone else's, he's going to choose to save the other. Maybe he just can't go through losing someone else.

When Scott Alpha roared her back to human, she lost the ability to shift back to her coyote form and that was the main reason she agreed to join Scott's pack. He was supposed to help her learn how to go back to it. Because of course asking the born werewolf who's mother and sister could shift into a wolf was completely ridiculous.

No, my examples just prove we don't see things the same way and with the exception of the Eddie Murphy movies, they are all classified as dramas or action movies. Take the planets and space ships out of Killjoys and it's an action show. As for Dutch being Johnny's Everything, I don't see that either and that's what this comes down to. We don't see the show the same way and we're not even arguing the same thing. My only point in these replies has not been to convince you to see it a different way or even tell you that you are wrong to see it the way that you do. My point has been to show you that there are other interpretations of the show and characters that are equally as valid as yours. Not right. Not wrong. Just different. I've been getting the impression that your interpretation is the only right one for the show, not just the right one for you. If I have misread that, I apologize. In any case, I hope you have enjoyed the show and thanks for the conversation.

Cagney and Lacey - Cagney - no significant other. L&O:SVU - Olivia Benson - no significant other Starsky & Hutch - actually neither of them had significant others Miami Vice - again, neither of them had significant other Man from U.N.C.L.E. - rinse and repeat Lethal Weapon - Mel Gibson's character was widowed, but no significant other in the first couple of movies Bad Boys - Will Smith's character was a player Any Eddie Murphy cop comedy in the 80's There are many others to add. If the executive producer and creator of the show isn't the Voice of God for the show, then who is? The fans aren't and I read nothing in her interview that indicated Johnny was a girl in any way. Straight men and straight women can be friends without one wanting to fuck the other at some point. Just because you have hadn't that experience doesn't mean it isn't a true and accurate statement for many people.

To give Sheriff some credit, he did bring it up to Stiles while the department was guarding Red Shirt's body at the hospital, but it did seem, to me, more like an interrogation than a conversation and Stiles lied about being there. Yes, Stiles should have come clean at the opportunity, but the show has been consistent that one of his fears is disappointing his dad/his dad not trusting him. I've no doubt Stiles believed telling his dad would end up with a disappointed Sheriff arresting him for murder. Who would fess up when that's what they thought would happen?

Actually, this pissed me off because when Stiles does tell the whole truth about what happened, if Theo hasn't been exposed yet, Sheriff is not going to believe him again. Theo is one of the better villains on the show because, while I may not know what he wants, he is going after it perfectly. Stiles is the biggest threat to him and he's been successfully alienated from the people closest to him. We know Lydia ends up in Eichen House, so she can't help and Malia's fed up with everything.

I have to take objection with this because as a life-long GWTW fan, Scarlett never rejected Ashley, begged him to run away with her at least once long after throwing herself at him and only gave up on him and realized she loved Rhett when Melanie died and she realized Ashley only wanted her for sex. So, yeah, Scarlett end up wanting Rhett in the end, but she spent decades pining for Ashley, which really doesn't support your example. Personally, I think Dutch and Johnny have a ton of chemistry and I adore their scenes together and I like them as just friends/family. I like Davin and think LM does a good job with the role. I just don't understand why anybody has to be paired off romantically as a requirement of a story that isn't a romance rather than letting that relationship develop naturally on its own. I could be all over Dutch/Davin if they didn't just throw the two pretty people together and expect that to be enough for a relationship and that's all I see between them at the moment. Could there be more between them down the road? I could see that happening and would maybe even like to, but as of right now anything of a romantic nature between Dutch and Davin feels forced to me. I was initially glad they got the hook-up out of the way and then completely nuked the possibility of going forward with it until it seemed they were going for more than just broken teammates this episode with the giving Davin back his stuff scene. I mean, why couldn't Johnny have done it? He's better at suppressing any trust issues he has with Davin. He's been doing it for years. I understand they don't know how long they have to tell their story, but I think taking their time and letting it build regardless would result in a stronger story with stronger characters and relationships. That's really all I want.

I suffered though S7 of Buffy and S5 of Angel, so I'm here until the bitter end. I realized earlier this season that a lot of my frustration comes from the extra focus on the Big Bad since 3A. We spend a lot of time with Alpha packs and darachs and assassins steampunk Doctors and not so much with Scott and Stiles being bros, with McCalls and Stilinskis being there for each other (they still are, but it doesn't seem as everyday as it was), Lydia and Allison shopping or bowling or target practice in the woods. Do they even attend classes except for Scott's AP Biology class? I love these characters. I love their relationships. I don't love cold opens with people I've never seen before and will never see again once the episode is over. I don't love the atmospherics of the Dread Doctors laboratory. I find myself more bored than scared, though anything with the eyes makes me look away. Say what you will about the simplicity of S1 and S2, but they kept the focus on the story and the characters even if a lot of stuff ultimately didn't make sense like Peter resurrecting himself. I do think the ep put pieces into place for the wrap, I'm just confused as to how they are going to wrap this part of the story up in two episodes.

Actually the board we see in Required Reading, which is what I was referring to, has the two known chimeras who are dead, Tracey and Lucas, and Donovan who is missing. They found eight holes in the lacrosse field at school, so they know there are more chimeras, but they don't know who they are. Before Zach, it looked like the chimera experiments are returned home until such time as the experiment is terminated with no knowledge of what happened to them. As for Melissa calling Sheriff instead of one of the Supernatural teenagers, Scott, Malia, Lydia, and Mason are looking for Liam and Hayden. Theo and Stiles are recovering from Parrish handing them their asses and maiming Roscoe the Jeep. Kira's sleepwalking her way down Highway 115. Though why she didn't ask the Yukimuras is a good question. You do make excellent points and I desperately wish the show would address them. That's one of the things I find so frustrating about the show. It has potential to really be something special, yet is too easily distracted by the "oh, hey, this would be so cool" without thinking about how real people would deal with the "so cool" situation or giving them lobotomies to keep the story going. There is no way the Stiles and Lydia of S1 and S2 wouldn't be all over learning every shred of information about the supernatural world right along with Mason. Stiles because the knowledge would make it easier to protect the people he loves, Lydia because knowledge is power. So I'm at a total loss as to why there is still so much she doesn't know about banshees even if it worthless fairy tales that don't relate to her situation.

I think this episode proves why we need Chris Argent. He may not have investigative training, but he does know about the supernatural and how to fight it. It gives the teenagers an adult to turn to who can actually do something and someone Melissa can count on to handle the situation in the best manner for everyone. Melissa expected him to help her deal with it in a manner that doesn't expose the supernatural or put her family in any more danger than they already are, hence her very specifically asking him to leave his badge at the door, literally and figuratively. I don't think they were going to bury the body in an unmarked grave. The other victims were all found, just not where they died. Finding them where they died raises too many questions they can't answer unless they include the supernatural. Questions that can't be answered in a murder investigation do no lead to a closed case. Sheriff has a murder board in his office with every victim/chimera accounted for except Donovan. I was under the impression the police knew about the deaths, the families knew about the deaths and what is knowing their child was killed in the McCall kitchen versus the Preserve, for example, going to do for Red Shirt's family. Did she even get a name in the episode? There can be comfort in knowing, but how is switching one detail for another going to make any difference? Give them somewhere to focus their anger at losing their daughter in Melissa? No, Melissa didn't kill her, but she could have secured her home better. I understand Sheriff's frustration and sympathize. He's in a position to do something, but he really can't. He either needs to get fully on board and bring Chris Argent or Braeden in to handle what the police can't or he needs to wash his hands of it entirely. That option won't do good things for his relationship with Stiles, but that needs some serious work on both parts anyway, so why not. Sheriff doesn't want to know about the supernatural. He's proven that more than once. He's not capable of straddle the line between the real world and the supernatural one or at least he doesn't want to make the effort. That's not good for him or Stiles or Melissa or anyone else.

What about the families of the deputies Parrish hurt or killed taking the body out of the morgue? Setting ordinary human begins against the supernatural without any idea of what they are facing doesn't work, at least on this show. Whoever that girl was would have been found at some point when a better story could constructed and wouldn't put any of the werewolves or kitsune or banshees or chimeras in waiting in any more danger than they already are. Lots of actual, normal homicides never get solved if that's your concern and there's a better shot of getting the real murderer by letting Scott and Co. muddle their way through as usual. (That Scott will probably send them off with a good scolding is another issue.) He wants to treat it as a normal homicide, but it isn't. Melissa tried treating it that way with telling the truth about werewolves and banshees and monster chimeras and he acted as though she were making a mockery of the proceeding when she was just following his lead of treating it like a regular crime. Trying to treat it as a regular crime according to regulations without announcing the supernatural to the world at large is only going to cause more problems than it solves. There are too many holes without the truth and any case he could make would never see a courtroom. The DA would probably do everything he could to get the Sheriff sent to Eichen House.

It was actually more along the lines of "since when have facts mattered?" I think it's a good choice we didn't see what Quinn said to Adam, but I think there was more than just Rachel's mental instability being brought into play though I do think the extra layer had more to do with Quinn's delivery. I also don't blame Adam for wanting to get as far away as possible after the confessional scene, because no one likes being around someone falling apart. He thought things were okay-ish between them and then Rachel does a very un-Rachel thing which should have been a tip off, but way to play off the stereotype of men being useless around a woman's tears. During the fake proposal by Jeremy to Rachel, one of his lines echoed Mary's abusive ex, something along the lines of "no one will love you like I do." I don't think Jeremy has ever been a good guy, but I think he thinks he is and everyone around him is convinced he is. Sorry, but I think cowardly Adam is more self aware of who he is than Jeremy and that makes him marginally more honest. I like honest. I am appalled Jeremy went to Rachel's mother at the end, but I also don't think he understands how much of Rachel's damage comes from that woman. He encourage Rachel to go to her parents for money earlier. No one who cares an iota about Rachel would want her within a thousand miles of that harpy. While I'm looking forward to Quinn eviscerating "Mom" next season, I have a feeling Quinn will be bloodied before she wins.

The winery is Adam trying to be his own man without his family involved. Hence, no family money. Running off with Rachel would put him back in the family fold. He'd be the black sheep son, but he'd be the dutiful son as well. However well or poorly he plays the part, he's still fulfilling his role in the family and would be able to access the family funds. But I think both Adam and Rachel realize it's a fairy tale fantasy that can't go anywhere, regardless of how much at least one of them wants it. Or they will, when they actually think.

The only problem with this is that she was in the very first ep of this season and I think it sounded like the Y family was in New York for the summer - the whole "take care and have fun could mean sleep with other guys" thing with Scott, Stiles, and Malia. So, she's been available and had a whole summer with her daughter to fill her in on what it means to be a kitsune.

I thought she was trying to get her daughter back. Well, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Her daughter was taken away from her, she wants her back, being an assassin on Teen Wolf goes about it in the most inefficient way possible and then loses her after the crash and Malia shifts to her coyote form. Still doesn't make a lot of sense, but it makes me happy. Oh, and I'm calling Michelle Clunie, AP Biology teacher, as the Desert Wolf.

Mind giving specific examples or even just episode titles?

It's not that we (I) want Scott to kill anyone. I would just like him to acknowledge that, like a law enforcement officer, with what they are doing, taking a life may be necessary. That killing to save your life or someone else life, in the line of duty basically, does not make the person who killed a bad or irredeemable person. That it was not something done easily or for fun, but because there was no other option. Using this ep as example, if Stiles hadn't pulled that pin on the scaffolding, what would Donovan have done to him? Maybe kill him. Maybe paralyze him. Maybe something else, but it would have ended Stiles' life as he knew it. Was Stiles wrong to protect himself? I don't think so. It would have been nice if the scaffolding junk could have just knocked Donovan out and let Stiles escape, but that wasn't the story they were telling and it would have just meant another confrontation at a later time and if Sheriff were there, don't you think he would have shot the SOB threatening his son? Would that make Sheriff a bad person or a LEO with too much personal involvement in the shooting? I don't want Scott to turn into bloodthirsty murderer, killing anyone who looks at his pack wrong. I do want him to acknowledge that while not killing the bad guy, the guy shooting at you to reference Captain America: The Winter Soldier, is an admirable goal and the very first choice always, you don't always get to go with your first choice. Even if his second choice is to use Eichen House as an Arkham Asylum equivalent, it's good to have a second and third and fourth choice, even if you don't like them. The majority of LEOs never fire their weapon, but they acknowledge it may be necessary. Why shouldn't the True Alpha determined to protect his pack and his territory acknowledge the same thing?

Because JD gives him scenes and storylines and arc that work his talent. Also, this was his first real job, he probably feels some loyalty to JD and TW for giving him his break and his contract may be a little more iron clad than apparently everyone else who's ever been on the show.