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Just adding my little data point to the discussion...I was a kid in the eighties in Oklahoma. Our house was on a cul de sac, and we definitely called it that at the time! I can still hear my Mom hollering after me..."don't leave the cul de sac without telling me first!" (As I ran out the door to play with all the neighborhood kids....)

Here's the E! article: http://www.eonline.com/news/856936/jenelle-evans-reaches-custody-battle-agreement-over-son-jace-i-m-happy-but-devastated In the article Jenelle says she will have Jace on "weekends, holidays, and during the summer," but I'm reading other places (no cites, sorry) that it's only every other weekend, some holidays, and two weeks in the summer. So typical Jenelle twisting things in her favor. It's crazy how relieved I am at this outcome. So happy for Jace. I wouldn't care if Jenelle had transformed into June Cleaver herself, it's way too late to uproot him from the only home and parent he's ever known. It would be cruel and cause enormous damage.

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in Matt's thread, so doing both. The alleged proof of Matt's cheating has been posted. (No idea if legit but I admit they ring real to me.)

The rest of the supposed cheating texts from Matt have been released:

Proceeds to devote ten pages to Farrah and her family.

More from Matt's book (some overlaps with what was quoted upthread): (My favorite is line two...he didn't even know Teen Mom was still filming, you guys! His love was pure!)

Eagle-eyed poster over on Reddit got a screengrab of UBT smoking something that sure looks a hell of a lot like a joint. (Keep in mind Jace was still in their room at this point, and Jenelle was pregnant). https://m.imgur.com/gallery/ROZDl (sorry, can't get image to upload)

Who the fuck does Jenelle think she is? She really thinks she can control whether MTV films with Barb or not? Fuck you, Jenelle. And Barb, I'm still on your side, I don't think for a second you're after the money, but you're on my shit list, too. How dare you put Jace in the middle of that? How dare you make him feel guilty for what happened? Grow up, Barb, for Christ's sake!

I have zero problem with Barb kicking Jenelle out for her transgressions...Barb's house, Barb's rules. But there's a world of difference between (1) calmly but firmly stating, "You knew the rules, you violated them, you may no longer live here. I've taken the liberty of packing your things, they're on the front porch," and (2) Screaming "Have fun with ya booooyfrieeeend!" in the child's face while throwing their belongings on the front lawn. Similarly, confronting Jenelle about the popcorn thing in front of Jace was not cool. I'm on Barb's side...she's trying, she has a heart and god knows Jace needs her. And I think most of this is that she just doesn't know any better. But she needs therapy, and she needs to educate herself. For Jace's sake if not her own.

I noticed that, too. If you watch closely, at one point, he even smiles a little at whoever he's watching...like they gave him a reassuring "yes, here she goes again but it's going to be okay" smile and he responded to that, briefly. It's kind of hard to see because the shot is focused on Jenelle so you only see him in profile, but I swear it's there. eta: the smile is at about 1:25 in the clip.

God, that clip...just... What a heinous bitch.

But if she filed for divorce before he even left, can we really call it cheating?

I like to think the judge (and maybe the lawyers, too) watch this show, and are conspiring to delay, delay, delay until Jace reaches the age where he gets to decide where he wants to live (it's age 12 in my state). "Oh, no...we can't have the hearing tomorrow...I have to...get my hair done! Yeah, that's it. Guess we'll have to reschedule again for six months from now." They know that this, along with with Jenelle's own periods of disinterest in the matter, might just get Jace across the finish line. (Or at least that's how it goes in my imagination, ha!) Re: Aubrey and the carrot cake...I loved how Chelsea was careful to mention on camera that "it's your favorite!" Like she was worried she'd get beat up online for being so mean as to force her kid to eat carrot cake on her birthday.

Very possible I missed this earlier in the thread...but rumors are circling that Kail is pregnant again.

I think this is part of it, but I also have a (completely unfounded and unresearched) theory that something about pregnancy hormones takes Jenelle down a notch. Wasn't she unusually calm and not-psycho when she was pregnant with Kaiser, too? Also might be why she keeps getting knocked-up...it makes her feel good and "normal." So as those hormones slowly ease out of her body now that she's had the baby...watch out.

Okay, because I have no life, I went to an online conception date calendar and plugged in little Ensley's birth date...got back a possible conception window of April 29th to May 7th. (This is assuming she didn't arrive early or late but right at 40 weeks). Anybody know the dates they filmed the reunion? And when was that Target pic? It is very possible to get pregnant right after a miscarriage...happened to me twice (resulting in two perfectly healthy children, yay!) The way my OB explained it to me was that the miscarriages serve as a "practice run" to get the body amped up for pregnancy, and that it's a very, very common thing. So it's possible. But it is Jenelle we're talking about, so it's probably all a big fat lie.

Exactly. B&T are setting down rules, as they have a right to do, and Cate and Tyler are free to take it or leave it as they wish. There are consequences to violating the boundaries B&T are setting down, but since the rules and requests they are making are in no sense unreasonable, that's on C&T. B&T are simply putting the best interests of their child higher than the "need" C&T have to talk about the situation in the media. It's not even a close comparison, and any rational adult should be able to see that. Cate is able to, but apparently Tyler is not.

My initial reaction was that since UBT isn't allowed to have one of his kids, maybe they thought it better to not have the kids in the shot at all, rather than to have to leave one out. All or none, lest the missing child be hurt by his exclusion. But then I remembered who I was talking about, and realized I was crazy to think they'd consider anyone but themselves.

*High Five* for breast reductions! I had mine done about two years ago--best decision I ever made. It has made a huge difference in my life...clothes fit, I can exercise, neck and back pain is gone... Why any woman would do that (get huge breasts) to herself is just beyond me. I can see if you're like really flat, getting a little something to fill out your bra, if that makes you feel better about yourself. I'm all for plastic surgery if it's going to increase your confidence and self-esteem. But...don't these women realize how AWFUL huge breasts are to live with? (Farrah's "friend" on the latest episode...ye gods!) I wouldn't go back up over a C cup again for all the money in the world.

Poor Catelynn. I've suffered from depression for years and years, so I have so much sympathy for her. My post-partum depression, especially, was bad. Really bad. Like, scary bad. And I have a good solid background, a huge support system, etc...can't imagine going through it in the environment Cate has to live in. One of the biggest problems with depression, I think, is that it can really be a circular thing that is incredibly hard to escape. Am I overweight because I'm depressed, or am I depressed because I'm overweight? Do I have no friends because I'm depressed, or am I depressed because I have no friends? Is my self-esteem in the shitter because I've done nothing with my life because I'm depressed, or am I depressed because I've done nothing with my life? I think the problem is that the answers to both sides of these questions is "yes"...and it makes fixing it so hard. Example, losing weight: okay, common sense says that to lose weight you (basically) eat healthy, get exercise. Seems simple enough. But when you're clinically depressed that is SO HARD. It takes work and energy to plan meals. Go grocery shopping. Hell, to tie up the laces on your sneakers can take a massive effort sometimes. It's so, so much easier to throw on that old hoodie and a pair of flip-flops and drive to the Taco Bell on the corner where you don't even have to get out of the car. And so you grow fatter, your self-esteem sinks further, the depression gets worse. It's an endless cycle. For me, therapy didn't work, drugs didn't work. What finally worked for me was some tough-love I imposed on myself. Changing my inner-dialogue. Baby steps. (Like, teeny baby steps.) "Sitting here on the couch crying is never going to make anything better. How many years are you going to waste doing this? Get up, go wash five dishes. Not the whole sink...just five. Stop being so lazy!" Gradually those five dishes turned to ten, turned to the whole kitchen got cleaned. The more you do, the more you CAN do. I get a little better each day, do a little more each day. I still struggle, but I've learned how to retrain my thoughts, and am able catch myself before I get too low. Please note, though, Tyler, that if anyone else..anyone, had spoken those words to me, it would have devastated me and sunk me even further into depression. Catelynn has to help herself. She can get help from therapy, etc., yes...but until she makes a conscious decision to do whatever she needs to do to get healthy (and has an appropriate idea of what that looks like), and to stop taking the path of least resistance, nothing is going to change. All she needs from friends and family right now is "I love you no matter what. I think you're awesome. Is there anything I do to help?" Ugh. Sorry for the rant. On another topic, I now think Amber knows perfectly well exactly who and what Matt is. But she's more afraid of being alone than she is of being with a douche like that. We saw her admit tonight she doesn't have friends. If Matt is all she has, of course she's going to cling to him. Maci...is never going to win an Oscar. Farrah...was oddly rational tonight. Quick, everyone...check the skies...are there pigs flying out there?

Okay, say hypothetically that Javi is awarded some type of visitation with Isaac (I agree that Kail should let this happen without needing a court to order her to but oh well)...would that make him vulnerable to a child support claim for Isaac?

I agree with you...I'm completely pro-choice. I was just speculating on what may have caused the rumors, and the fact is if she spoke about having an abortion in a careless way, a lot of people would be shocked or offended by it.

Wasn't there some talk a few weeks ago when they filmed the reunion, that Jenelle had done or said something that had everyone clutching their pearls and talking about how awful she/it was? Maybe that had something to do with the pregnant/not pregnant business. Maybe she admitted (or knowing her, boasted) that she'd had a lateish-term abortion or something. How does the timeline work out on that? I can never keep that stuff straight.

For me, the main difference between Barb and Jenelle is that Barb has her heart in the right place...I think a lot of her bad behavior (and there is a lot) is just from ignorance and never learning the correct way to communicate or handle toxic people and environments. I truly believe if she got some therapy, she could learn how to do better. And would want to for Jace's sake. Jenelle, on the other hand, is just broken inside. Her brain does not function correctly. Maybe medication could fix it, maybe not. But in order to get medication she'd first have to admit she has a mental problem and seek help, and I just don't see that happening.

Oh, please let that be a real, current photo. Please Jenelle isn't really pregnant again. Please. (Wishful thinking, isn't it? If she's not actually pregnant now I have no doubt she will be soon enough...)