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Tamra is loyal to no one. Never has been. She will turn on you for no reason, you don't even have to do anything to her, once she gets sick of you, she will find any little reason to ditch you. It's been a pattern for her ever since her first season on the show. Why Shannon ever expected any loyalty from her is beyond me. Yet, what's weird to me, is how loyal all her friends seem to be to HER. Shannon went so far as to run into the room, just bc she felt bad that Tamra was in there by herself while Vicki was screaming at her. Then Shannon consoled her after and made it clear, she had her back. Meanwhile, on that same day, at the same party, Tamra couldn't be bothered to have her back in her argument w/Lydia and laughed off Lydia disliking her. And the next day, did she talk about how cool it was that Shannon had her back w/her fight w/Vicki? Nope, instead, she talked shit about her to Meghan, saying how she can't always be there for her...even though Shannon had just had her back w/Vicki at the very same party. And in her TH, she says Shannon can be exhausting, etc. Shannon had her back and THAT is the thanks she gets. At the risk of sounding like Donald Trump, I can't stand disloyal. That's the biggest thing I judge someone on. Are you good to those who are good to you? And Tamra is not, never has been.

Lydia is only 33 or 34. Oh I know, I love Archie, he's sooooo cuuuuuute <3 I could just watch him the whole time

I think David CAN be Mr. Personality and very engaging, etc. BUT not with Shannon and THAT is what upsets her most, IMO. With her, he is checked out, and bc she knows that other side of him, she knows that it's personal and indicates disinterest.

I think David is burnt out. I think Shannon means well, but the constant guilt-trips about spending more time together, about him being checked out, etc. would be exhausting for anyone and only make him further check out. I think she's right that she needs to make her happiness about more than just David and opening that restaurant is a good start. It's funny, too, bc I think Shannon's got a lot going for her. She's smart, she has friends, an adorable dog, kids, she seems to be well-connected and know a lot of people, and have a wide range of interests. So it's not like her life would be empty without David. smh.

Jury is still out for me on Peggy, I feel like she hasn't had enough airtime for me to even really form much an opinion BUT she is confusing, the cancer story, but I think it might be due to language barrier, not lies. I know she's been in this country for years, but she and her husband are both Armenian and probably speak it at home, when not filming. So that's still very much her dominant language and probably why she gets confused sometimes.

^^^Agreed, bottom line is, Jenelle was unfit at the time Barb took custody of him and was unfit for many years after, she wasn't even in a position to try to get him back until he was about 6 years old or so and by that point, too much time has passed.

Wait, what episode ARE we talking about? The one I'm talking about is when Jenelle left court and announced that her mother won the custody battle and that's why I was mocking Jenelle for saying how evil her mother was b/c she would not give up just b/c Jenelle was crying. But I don't recall anything about Babs suggesting a vacation or Leah public speaking. So I feel like there's a new episode that I haven't watched yet and I'm in the wrong thread LOL.

Oh that saying is total bullshit...LOL. Think about all the young men who die while committing robberies and the like. mhmm. And I'd say Jenelle is thriving now, but for the longest time, she wasn't. It was only a few years ago that she was addicted to heroin, with $0 in her bank account, getting evicted from her apartment, no money to pay her bills, etc.

My favorite line was when Jenelle said how she was crying, bawling, sobbing and Babs still wouldn't give up!!!!! oh, so it's all about YOU, Jenelle? Not what Jace wants, his therapist wants, etc. No, it's all about YOU crying, which happens all the time, but somehow, it's supposed to make Babs just cave in to what you want and she's a horrible person b/c she doesn't???? Ugh she's been pissing me off, lately. I rarely ever see Jenelle genuinely cry, btw. Like, you know how, when you're about to cry, your lip kinda quivers and your eyes well up? I never, ever see that w/her, I just see her go from 0 to sixty. I never even really see her LOOK like she's been crying. It's all just an attention tactic, to get attention from whatever boyfriend she's with.

Hear that, folks? Tamra is getting tired of Shannon. Just like she eventually gets tired of everyone! And Shannon was stupid enough to turn on Vicki, who did NOTHING to her, and forgive Kelly for calling her names, etc. b/c now she's a Tamra follower, so she'll find a reason to like everyone Tamra likes, no matter how horrible they've been to her.

he was just following Kail's lead. Love is blind, sometimes, and he'd only heard her perspective and what she told him about everything. also, it seems like javi's personality is such that's more...structured, for lack of better word, than Jo's. Jo is more laid back. And personalities like that often clash when it comes to making arrangements for things. Javi is the type of person that, if you arrange to meet up at 5 on the dot, he's there at exactly 5 on the dot, not 5:01, but 5. Jo, on the other hand, is more relaxed, so showing up at 5:15 or maybe even 5:20, 5:30 is not that big of a deal to him. One of the main things they'd fight about were drop-offs and who gets what weekend with who, etc. Javi was very serious about being a family man, really into it, it was his whole world, whereas with Jo, up until he had his kid with Vee, I feel like he always loved Isaac, but bc he didnt live w/him, Isaac was more just a side-thing that he'd see once or twice a week and meanwhile lived the rest of his life without him for most of the week. So they were just coming from different places. Neither was right or wrong, just different.

I've been wondering that, too. She does not have good skin, even with all the work she's had done and all the makeup, her skin always looks dry and crepey. She has a killer body, though! The main thing, to me, about Carole is I think she's kinda lame/boring. Bethenny put it perfectly when she said, "Carole loves the minutia of things..." and that's great, but the rest of us don't and are about to fall asleep! Even before this season, I noticed it. I remember her talking to Heather about editing a Wikipedia article or something and it's just like, "yaaaawn, who gives a shit?"

but from the looks of it, he's not and it seems like he never really was. he left her, she didn't leave him. so. this Chris dude is a little different, it seems, he gave the bitch a taste of her own medicine.

Jenelle will always be a hot mess, but I feel like, compared to some of the other girls right now, she's actually doing ok. She's no longer THE hot mess of the show. She's engaged, she and her man are building a house, her relationship seems more stable than all the other ones (no calling the police on each other and getting each other arrested!) and though I don't think she'll ever be mother of the year, she seems at least fit to parent - she's not on drugs or anything. She's come a ways since the days of shooting heroin and getting arrested every month...and getting her boyfriends arrested for various things. She's doing fairly well for Jenelle. I think she needs to give up on trying to get back custody of Jace, that ship has sailed. I think, by now, she has realized that bc she and Babs came to some sort of agreement earlier this year where Babs still retains primary custody. I think that's probably the right decision, rather than taking him away from the only home and caregiver he's ever known. I do think that Jenelle is now in a position where she COULD parent Jace, though, if something were to ever happen to Babs. And I think frequent visits w/David and Jenelle are probably a good thing for Jace bc I think he really needs a male role model. Guys raised by single mothers, no father figure...the statistics are not good and so far, it seems like Jace is not beating the odds. The fact that he keeps hitting other kids, including little kids much smaller than him, biting them, hitting Babs...not good. This is a horrible thing to say, but I get a future-criminal vibe from Jace.

I think a lot of these guys end up using her for the money, tbh. but i also think jenelle kind of sets it up that way, subconsciously. jenelle has to be w/her man 24/7, so she doesn't want him to work. she wants to make life as easy and convenient for him as possible to spend all his time w/her. anything he wants, she'll provide, so no need to go anywhere she's not.

like i said, the convo starts at 28:20. so 28 minutes & 20 seconds in. you gotta fast forward to it and you'll see where he tells his 2 friends that. the clip shows that javi was told by kail's friend that she's 3 months pregnant

yeah all you have to do is sign in w/fb or twitter, then click your cable company. you don't have to login to just watch a clip, but i'm linking you to an entire episode, so..

This episode. http://www.mtv.com/episodes/2wmqq3/teen-mom-2-surprise-season-8-ep-804 the scene/convo starts at 28:20

yeah he really wanted NOTHING NADA to do w/MTV or the show.makes me wonder, in a way, like what's he hiding? or does he just find the whole thing super embarrassing? would his friends never let him live it down? one sec, ill find you the clip

it's so funny how she's the most considerate of the guy who treats her the worst. i mean, one could argue chris doesn't even equal deserve input on the child's name considering he was barely there for any of her pregnancy and has minimal involvement w/the child now. smh. yet she only has nice things to say about him and won't give the baby a name until chris agrees on it. so weird.

he knew how far along, he specifically said that kail's friend told him, "Kail is 3 months pregnant." so he knew. here's what i think happened, from javi's standpoint: they're married and he gets her pregnant with what would have been their 2nd child together. javi is all excited about adding another addition to the family, he's been wanting this for a while and kail finally agrees to it and decides she's ready, too. then, she miscarries. javi is so disappointed and upset, he was looking so forward to this and now it's not gonna happen anymore. he wants to try again, but kail says no. so now, all his hopes of expanding his family w/kail are gone, vanished, in such a short time. he went from thinking he was gonna father another baby with his wife to suddenly being told, by the very same woman who was carrying his baby months earlier, that she's done having more kids, that's it. then she files for divorce, so not only is his dream of having another child w/her crushed, but so is his entire world, his marriage, his family, everything he lived for. but he tries to make peace with it in his head, tries to move on but isn't quite there yet, he's still adjusting and THEN, he gets told she's 3 months pregnant with another man's child. i mean who wouldn't be bothered by that, if they were in his shoes? i think he was insulted and hurt. bc then it became clear that what Kail really meant was she didn't wanna have any more kids with HIM. maybe he even started to wonder if she really did miscarry, or if she secretly had an abortion. you have to remember that alllll of this happened in such a short time span, javi hadn't had much time to adjust or move on yet, so it doesn't surprise me one bit that all this upset him. it's kinda like if someone says they're not looking to date right now, but then start dating someone else the next day. it's pretty clear that what they REALLY meant is they're not interested in dating YOU. anyone would be insulted by that.

Of course she's lonely. She's single for the first time in her life, Chris left her a long time ago and Javi has moved on with a new gf, so she doesn't have any man that's even paying attention to her and on top of everything, she has a newborn baby to raise.

Oh, I can see him being VERY upset about her being 3 months preg w/Chris's baby, considering, not too long ago, when they were married, she told him that she didn't wanna have any more kids! especially since he hadn't really moved on yet. i agree kail probably did sleep w/javi, though, and string him along when chris would ghost her to be with his other hoes, bc that's how she works, as we've seen in her past relationships. like you said, kail needs to be sure someone will be there. but i don't think she was sleeping w/javi around the time when she got pregnant, in early november. i think it's possible they may have slept together after that, though and kail gave him false hope that they may be reconciling.

true, i'm just telling you, chris says he does not have any other kids and i since i have no reason to believe otherwise, ill take his word for it until someone shows proof. that's just how i am, i give ppl the benefit of the doubt unless there's proof otherwise, they have a history of lying about this sorta thing or ive seen them claim otherwise. that's just me.

true. and considering kail tipped off the papz, i'm wondering if he also came to make a little $$$.