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We've also seen that Matt has an issue with "collecting things" too, can you imagine how much sheer crap was on the farm in total for all of those years? Amy just took some of it with her but that still leaves everything else. And Zach has started his own collection in his house too (the garage and office that we saw), so I imagine he left a lot of crap at the farm and in the big house that probably either went with Amy or got shifted to elsewhere on the farm.

I don't know how Oregon handled the pandemic, but I live here in AZ and we handled it pretty badly, so it's pretty bad luck that Matt and Karen came here for it to blow over. Cause it still hasn't. And we've also had over 140 days where it was over 100 degrees and broke the record on that, so.

In my opinion, she has just been a lot meaner and less patient overall with everyone for awhile now. It's like she can't wait to be done and is just sick of everyone. I am with you though, it sounded like there was literally nothing that couple could have done differently and she still was short and I agree that it seemed like she wanted to "bootstraps" them but couldn't because again, they were literally doing everything they could in the pandemic.

It seems like pretty much all of their shows having a lot of COVID related stuff, IIRC Outdaughtered had them film themselves a little bit in quarantine and the sextuplet show is doing the same thing. So I imagine we will be getting stuff where they filmed each other at home for a bit.

I feel like Zach has pretty much said too that he wants to stay out of anything that involves his parents being on opposite sides and I think this probably counts as something he doesn't want to be involved in. But it's very interesting to me that literally nobody but her fiance is around to help her pack an entire house. But also, seeing how she was with Chris, maybe she doesn't want anyone helping because she doesn't want everyone telling her (probably rightfully) that she doesn't need all of the stuff she's trying to keep. And my more uncharitable side says it's because she wants to kind of act persecuted by being under so much "stress" trying to get it all done, even though she's had far longer than most people to pack up and move.

Thank you! So does she own any land at the farm anymore, or is she completely off?

I'm sorry for this, but I've missed quite a bit and googling hasn't made anything clearer - who now owns what when it comes to the farm land and the houses? Like Amy sold what parts to Matt? She's sold stuff to him last year and then in September of this year? And is she still part of the "Roloff farms" business?

I really agree with this. Looking up what Pamona offers, I don't understand how her parents can look at that, compare it to Harvard and then think Harvard is genuinely a better fit for Jazz. Jazz just underwent transition surgery and is having complications with it, she has NEVER in her life been away from home and been responsible for herself, and her emotional issues have shown time and again she absolutely needs an extensive support system. If she's ever going to cut the apron strings like she supposed wants to, that's absolutely necessary. While I'm sure Harvard has LGBT support groups and the like, a smaller school that has smaller class sizes and probably more involved professors means that she'll have a much better chance of actually building her own support network there, which she needs. What does Harvard offer that's better than that for Jazz specifically? On another note, I don't know why I'm being forced to watch her mom's "I'm getting old" crisis and see her going to see plastic surgeons, etc. I honestly don't care and I don't watch this show to waste huge chunks of an episode on her.

I wonder if Robyn was counting on the "lifestyle" of "plural families" to basically shift a lot of the work of raising a family to someone else - like, she pictured everyone living close together or even in one house so that it would be someone else's job to cook dinner, clean, watch the kids, etc. Plus I'm sorry but she knows she's "the favorite" so I imagine she wasn't worried about HER alone time with Kody getting interrupted, as others have said her kids are the only ones young enough to go be going into the others' space uninvited, nobody is going to be going into Robyn's "section" of a big house. Robyn never lived like that so she has no idea of the reality of it, which is probably why she entertained the idea. I am surprised at how easily Janelle kind of gave up the idea, I was expecting her to push more for it to happen and she basically came out with "yeah there are pros but we already figured out there were more cons than pros, so I'm fine with it not happening."

This is my thought every single time this comes up. A lot of their kids are already gone and most are at the age where it's only a few years max until they're out too. What the heck are they going to do with all of that space? Do they expect the kids to move back in with their families? Plus, bigger houses cost more in utilities and property taxes, which is easier to justify when you have a house full of kids, but not when they're all gone. He wants to build a giant house that will nearly empty in the very near future with just them, it doesn't make sense to me at all.

Lord, Jazz apparently still has "eretcile tissue" left. So she's going to be at 4 surgeries, which is exactly what everyone else told her and she refused to listen and then she found these "miracle docs" and...oh look, those other doctors who all said the same thing knew what they were talking about. And I really wonder if they regret not doing the skin stretching after all. Jeanette talking about how she was the one waking up to have Jazz do dilation in the middle of the night makes me seriously concerned that Jazz can't handle living apart from her at all. That dilation was in service of what her Holy Grail was, her surgery, and her mom was still lubing the thing up and giving it to her in the middle fo the night because Jazz woudn't. Nothing I've ever seen has convinced me that Jazz can take care of herself in any capacity, let alone take care of all of the stuff that comes with her being trans, which is harder than your average "sheltered kids move away to start college" situation.

I agree that Sean needed much more intense therapy, but he also refused therapy for a good while, and I think that hurt his situation a lot. I think if he had at least been having regular visits with Dr. Paradise from the point his mom died, it would have at least helped. But I agree with the person you quoted - Sean wasn't like the vast majority of people we've seen on this show who ARE able to care for themselves and form real relationships with people. He literally could not do that, and he didn't really want to learn, he just wanted someone to take care of him.

Sean's holy grail was getting into a care facility. He was never going to get better I think, and it's sad for someone so young. His mother truly killed him in the end. I would bet that 10k came from some kind of life insurance.

Basically. Nobody even knew that Amy owning the DW side was stopping him from doing anything to the house anyway (I bet she wasn't). Her debating whether to sell that would not have been a storyline at all. So both of them acting like this was such a "big decision" and being all "I won't step foot on this farm again" was total BS. I live in Surprise too! And yep that's exactly what I'm talking about. It gets to be 110, 115 for days on end. Nobody goes outside, not even to sit on their porches. You basically live inside, even the kids stay in. You can tell when Fall is here because all of a sudden all the kids come out lol. It's a different beast.

I really am extremely shocked she's apparently taking the buyout. But her comments really made it seem like getting away from Matt was the primary motivating factor. She basically made it seem like she really feels like living so close to him and being involved with him for business reasons is keeping her trapped in an emotionally unhealthy place, and given what comes out when she talks to him (comments about how he doesn't care about how people feel and him bulldozing over people) I think she's still not over he divorce and what led up to it. If she actually leaves, hopefully she ends up in a better place emotionally re: Matt.

Courtney needs to accept that a lot of the things she wants to do just aren't going to be possible with THAT many babies. Most of the things she desperately wants them to be involved in, those babies aren't going to remember, and trying to involve them just results in chaos and stress. Things like picking out the tree and decorating it don't require the help of infants; they should focus on letting the big boys have that time with the parents. The babies won't remember that they "missed out" and it was obvious watching them that the babies weren't "involved" anyway. You can take some nice pictures and then put them to bed and enjoy some time with the older ones and get things done without it taking 3 hours and ending with you in tears. It doesn't make you a bad mom to know what your limitations and your babies' limitations are.

That campfire conversation was so awkward for me. Amy was a bit prickly, Caryn was making awkward comments about Amy and Matt's former relationship, like come on. It wasn't so bad but they all need to chill a little bit. Amy I think is still upset about whatever led to the divorce, she keeps mentioning that Matt "bulldozes" over people and keeps implying he doesn't care about people's feelings and it comes out in like every conversation. And it's also interesting that none of the kids are interested in running the farm. If Amy truly does get bought out, those kids need to seriously start thinking about if they want to be running it one day. Matt is not a young guy and he has health issues; if he passes and Amy isn't an owner anymore, they'll have to make decisions quickly. If none of them are gonna take it over it won't be long until it's out of the family anyway, Matt isn't gonna be around forever.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, I've been feeling like a lot of TLC's shows are getting more and more fake as time goes by. What storyline would they have had without it really? Amy and Chris going on all their trips? Matt and Caryn buying a place in AZ? They played up "tension" between Matt/Caryn/Amy over pumpkin season. The only people who had a lot happen this year was Zach and Tori with the house drama and now Zach's health issues. Also, the internet is the enemy of these "reality" shows. They're months behind so you can dig stuff up on legal websites to figure out who is filing court documents (like house ownership or marriage/divorce/babies born), you can see what people are doing on their social media accounts, etc. Tori just told everyone she's expecting a daughter and it'll be forever till the show itself gets to that. Matt and Amy untangling their lives even post divorce is always gonna be a huge undertaking. The farm is a massive business and they also have other businesses tied to it like the salsa business, etc. But oh my god he's so condescending, and him basically saying Chris should be helping her was an asshole moment.

As for Amy agreeing to a buyout - if that happens the storyline for next season is going to be months and months of dragged out "negotiations" if how they came to this decision is anything to go by. Kill me now.

As someone who lives in Arizona, it's pretty funny to see these two gushing about how nice it is outside and they can do all this stuff outside, etc. Wait until summer hits (and it lasts really longer than the summer, we were super hot at Halloween this year). It's not gonna stay that way at all, they better really enjoy the inside of their house cause it's miserable outside during a lot of the year.

To be honest I have no idea at all why either of them thought that Chris should have a say in what happened to the farm. And if he wasn't there to "have a say", then he was there as a realtor, and they could have used any other realtor. Mixing a business decision with your ex with your current boyfriend is just not a smart thing to do and I'm genuinely baffled either of them ever suggested it. And I think Amy's comment about how she can do it on her own at the end indicates she was probably a little insulted and felt like they were implying she needed her new man's help to decide. As for what happens to the farm, the most I can see happening is that the LLC is dissolved and they each separately own the properties they live on, but considering pumpkin season happens on the patch Amy lives on, I doubt even that much is happening. Maybe they'll discover something that magically makes it so that changing anything would be a bad idea - some kind of permit/tax/money issue that gives them an excuse to pretend this whole storyline wasn't made up.

I remember being really upset about Robert, because it seemed like he was doing so, so well and I like it when they seem to do well. But then they moved him to that rehab center and it was just like something changed and that was it. Seeing his family cry was very hard. I imagine they're going to air all of Sean episodes in a row and it's probably going to be extremely sad to see that play out because it honestly is to me a tragedy. His parents ruined his life before he even had a chance to live it. Mostly his mother, but his father had an obligation to that child too when he was young and he failed him. It's just such a tragic situation to me. I'm sure other people have said this before but I would not be surprised if Sean's mother had that Munchausen by proxy, where a mother makes a child sick because they like being the savior and the center of attention.I wonder what would have happened if Sean's situation had come to people's attention when he was still a young child and they could have removed him. ETA: Remembering the WATN I watched, I remember him not unpacking anything in his new place at least partially because he said it "wasn't a one person job" despite it easily being a one person job and him seriously thinking a care facility, which Dr. Now told him was NOT a place designed to be a permanent home, was his "goal" for where he would live after a few months in his new apartment. He was actively shooting for it. He literally could not fathom a world where there wasn't someone taking care of him.

I honestly cannot handle how whiny she is, good lord it's so irritating. And then the rest of the time everything she says comes off as incredibly fake. I don't know how to explain it but that's how it came off to me.

Even if those two didn't cheat with each other, they were together extremely quickly and she used to work for them. I sincerely doubt ANYONE would be thrilled to be having to deal with their ex and the new girlfriend given that particular history. Caryn can flash that fake smile all she wants, anyone with sense knows they're a shady couple and she's not with Matt cause she loves him.

To be frank, I don't understand why anything needs to change at all. If Matt wants to run off to Arizona full time (he doesn't, nobody buys new land in a state you intend to leave), nothing is stopping him. He already admitted that Caryn ran pumpkin season, so just hire someone to run his part of the farm and leave. Amy it seems like doesn't want anything to change anyway, so she should just tell him fuck off and see her in court if he wants to force it. It's really starting to feel like this drawn out storyline is either completely fake, Matt's attempt to get Amy's name off the farm so he can run her off, or they're both incredibly lacking in backbone and refuse to be honest about what they actually want.