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No, when an attorney sends a buyout proposal from one party to another, that attorney is attempting to get the other party to agree to a proposal that gives his or her client's the best outcome, not an equitable division. The attorney's role is not to "be fair", it's to get what the client wants in a legal fashion.

That's probably the motivation behind the suggestion, that and how she probably is getting tired of Matt's "ARE YOU LEAVING YET?" (waits five minutes) "OH JESUS AMY MAKE A DECISION! ARE YOU LEAVING YET?" nonsense. I don't see it working. Bingo! Matt is a selfish baby who wants exactly what he wants and nothing else. He doesn't want to split the farm in any way, he wants the farm all to himself and he wants Amy gone, with nothing since all she did was carry his children and raise them while he was being a man dreaming his dreams. He's a selfish bitch.

In fairness, he said he really loved Rocky too and also openly advocated blowing Rocky's brains out. "Like Old Yeller", I think he said. Rocky also got shut in a room where, per Matt, he visibly lost weight after three days and Matt thought that was hunky dory and bragged about it on his facebook. I don't meant to press but those words and actions came from Matt the dog lover who loves his dogs and I refuse to praise the little prick for being a dog lover when, when the dog was *inconvenient* he was all for blowing the dog's brains out and was smiling when he said it.

Listening to the podcast with Jinjer Duggar and her man Jeremy - guys it's just sad. They ask JinJer why they named their kid Felicity and JinJer describes a rather thoughtful reach back to an early Christian martyr named Felicity and how this is a faith thing. Then they ask JerAuj about Ember's name and it's ultimately "we like campfires". This is actually pretty interesting because you can literally hear Jeremy Vuolo (who frankly I am not a fan of) pretty much pwn Jeremy Roloff and make him look like a dumbass. It's also pretty clear that Jeremy is not well spoken, which makes it amusing. At one point he's calling his choice to get a paycheck for filming his wedding "a subtle moral obligation" since God wanted him to show others what marriage really is. There's also an amusing note during Jer's traditional rant about cell phones where Jer Vuolo notes that he doesn't have Instagram or whatever and sends his pictures to Jinjer and Jeremy R is all "THATS A POWERFUL TESTIMONY!" - and then recommends apps for Jer V after Jer V says he doesn't use apps to prevent distraction. "Dude, AMEN!" is Jeremy R's idea of wit. In fairness, it's a bit of a mutual masturbation between the couples because they basically agree with each other and validate each other. But it's amusing to see Jeremy R try to carry on a conversation with someone who clearly knows more than he does on various topics.

Agreed. The actual victim's story was horrifying and deserves to be heard so I won't say that they shouldn't have done it. But... it was awkward and hamhanded and I knew that black female patient was a deader as soon as the Ob-gyn doc was merrily telling Pravesh to scrub in on a C-section because that only happens in a fantasy world where lawsuits don't happen. If they were going to tell it, I just wish they put it in the plotline of the show with a little bit of flair and build up. T

I mean, anything is possible, including magical fairies with arson tendencies setting the fire, but I don't think there was any question about Bobby being responsible for the fire. I checked the episode description on wiki and found this sum up - "Bobby tells his confessor how he accidentally killed his family five years before, when, under the effects of oxycodone and alcohol, he forgot to turn off a space heater, which burned his building down." Drunk and high, and breaking into an empty apt to continue getting drunk and high and leaving a space heater unattended which led to the deaths 150 people.... I can't believe he'd walk away with a pat on the back and a "this was an unpreventable accident". That the building was apparently made of kindling is an entirely different issue, but at the end of the day, all those people including Bobby's kids would be alive if Bobby hadn't been drunk and high in a vacant apartment with a space heater.

Sorry Jeanne, Isabel is reportedly saying the wedding is not going to be filmed

Azchristian, you probably had the speakers signing the cover pages. In the photo that’s on reddit, Audrey is signing the scriptures in the interior of the book. I know people who do notes to themselves for annotations but this was autographing Ephesians

Not exactly. Bobby caused the fire by drinking alone in an unused apartment and leaving his space heater he was using to keep warm as he drank in the apartment he had no business being in on to where it caught on the blanket he was using and then burned the building down. It wasn't just his family that died, and Bobby's negligence killed what, over 150 people? He's a firefighter, a good case can be made for negligent homicide.

Hehe I'm just amazed they're still alive. The last time I ate at the Varsity, I ended up needing to have my gall bladder removed.

I think its a rough thing to say to Bobby as well, but.... Bobby did get his kids killed by irresponsibly getting drunk and setting an entire building on fire. And now he's pretty much moved in to Michael's home with Michael's wife and kids. I can see where there would be concerns. eta - I also think way too many people know Bobby's backstory to where I can't help but wonder when that will be used as blackmail.

Ugh agreed. Made worse that it was a really similar set up. I agreed with Buck that Eddy's stunt was something Buck gets yelled at for. I also didn't see how Chimney calling his buddy to drop a ton of water on people who had no idea it was coming didn't kill some people. Next week - Hen in a bank vault with a toxic substance.... meh.

That's mean, Joan of Argg. Apt! So very very apt! But mean! <gives you a delicious pumpkin square>

I think it was relevant for the timeline but most moms would have been desperately wanting their kids immunized, not being hesitant. I'm missing Trixie having a plot line, and Sister Julian. This was a nice stand alone episode but I am not seeing anything interesting building.

Yup, I've seen this. Reading the full article reveals that this is not actually an interview with Jill, and there are no direct quotes from Jill in this article. The person who said this is an "unnamed insider" which grants it little to no factual value at all. I mean, I *could be that unnamed insider* for all we know. I'm not, btw. 😉 Jill had paps swirling, and there's nothing offensive in this reveal (if it happened) so there's really no reason why the source of this tidbit has to be hidden. And Jill wins the war if she tells the press she told Bethenny to stay away and Bethenny refused, and I honestly don't see Jill sparing Bethenny's feelings on this point as she was pretty sharp in replying to strangers who said mean things about Dennis when she announced her charity in his name. As it is, this is hilariously the Inquisitar reporting what Intouch Weekly is saying that some unnamed "insider" told them. eta - Since Jill isn't being quoted, Jill has no reason to say anything to correct either the Inquister or InTouch Weekly. She didn't say it, and they didn't say that she *did* say it. She may also not really mind if people think she wasn't happy about it, I mean, at last check, no love lost between Jill and Beth. More seriously I also suspect that Jill probably isn't dwelling in bitterness to where she would feel the need. Probably. It's just at odds with how very wrong Bethenny is to see anyone after Dennis's death. In fairness, while I don't feel this harshly towards Jill, every word of this is true. I don't feel this harshly because I think Dennis and Jill were effectively divorced years ago, they just never finalized the paperwork. That's why the idea that Jill WAS THE WIFE isn't holding much credence to me. They were both in completely separate relationships, whatever their reasons were for staying married were, they certainly weren't living as a married couple or even attempting to reconcile their differences.

I'm not the one who thinks she's a beast who would show up simply for press. If that was a genuine concern of Jill's. then Jill should have told Bethenny not to attend. At last checked, Jill "claimed" her ex husband as her beloved so yes, the onus was on Jill as Jill designated herself as the wife. You said it yourself, its not Bethenny to avoid the cameras - if Jill didn't want that, the onus was on Jill to make her wishes known. I give Bethenny's view that Dennis was writing notes to her from the grave all the importance I think it deserves. Which, fyi, isn't all that much. She's grieving. I think Dorinda summed it up well in that clip that grieving people see signs in all kinds of things. Hell, my own sibling was posting something similar this morning on facebook about our mom reaching out from beyond the grave to yell at her. Sure. And THAT puts the onus on Jill to make it clear that she didn't want her husband's lover to attend his funeral. I actually have no problem with the idea of Jill not inviting Bethenny - she WAS the wife - but she did not tell Bethenny or anyone else that Bethenny was not welcome to attend. If she's going to play the wife card, estranged or not, she still actually has to tell Betheny to not show up. But funny how its not tacky for Jill to play the "We were just estranged! We were MARRIED! DENNIS WAS MYY BELOVED!" card all while her boyfriend tended her. Because they're not famous, it's not my business, but I do wonder how Jill's children felt about Jill's protests on how much she loved Dennis coupled with the new boyfriend attending their father's funeral.

I think we don't have pictures of Jill and the kids because dun dun DUN - Jill and the kids aren't the ones starring on a reality tv show thats been on for years. I'm sure the children of Dennis Shields aren't terribly hurt or concerned that their daddy isn't contacting them from beyond the grave. I believe Bethenny is routinely called rude etc and thats been going on for a while so yes, if it was actually important to Jill Shields that Bethenny not show up, she should have said something. It's a little rude for Jill to say to the media "I don't want my ex husband's lover at the funeral" but again, it's one of those things that people do understand.

And when did she say she asked Bethenny not to attend? Because that would have cleared things up. If it was a real concern, she could have easily made her wishes known and very public and then Bethenny would have been the actual asshole in this for intentionally showing up to a funeral where she was told by the deceased ex-wife not to show her face. Show me Jill doing this and I am totally on board with agreeing that Bethenny shouldn't have gone. But... that didn't happen, and if Jill really feels that strongly, then she should have made it happen. Because at the end of the day, no one is going to point a lot of fingers at her for saying "Bethenny Frankel, I don't want you at my husband's funeral" I find it hard to believe that anyone at that funeral was unaware of Dennis's separation from his wife, the reality that Dennis and Jill had not cohabitated in years, that Dennis was openly and publically dating and had a reasonably serious relationship with Bethenny Frankel. No one's memory of Dennis was shattered at the funeral by the sudden realization that he wasn't happily married to Jill. Point - I have no idea how Dennis's family, including his children may have felt about this, but I do wonder how anyone would feel at a funeral where the deceased's ex showed up with her boyfriend in tow. I mean, what did Jill's kids think of that, Mommy honoring Daddy's memory with her long term boyfriend on her arm? Personally I think barring a direct "don't come", Bethenny had every right to attend the funeral as she was indeed close to Dennis and Dennis was no longer in a committed monogamous relationship with his wife that he was separated from, as evidenced by her *boyfriend*. If Jill had asked (and not maybe hinted or complained after the fact) for Bethenny to not attend, I would come down harder on Bethenny. As near as I can tell, there are no reports of unusual or inappropriate or disrespectful behavior by Bethenny at the funeral from any outlet. She cried and there's a photo of it. I bet she wasn't the only one, she was just the only one with a tv show.

I mean, if you didn't break the sink, I think you're still a virgin in the eyes of God.

I think the point here is that it was very wrong for Bethenny to date/maybe talk engagement with Dennis because Dennis was *married* and that means he was pretty much a shitbag for not divorcing. But Jill having a boyfriend does not incur this "Hey maybe you should get *divorced* before you HAVE A BOYFRIEND" wrath. Hell, even as Jill was praised for "claiming" her husband and succoring her so very young children to her breast in their grief, as she was burying the love of her life, she was also given a high five for having that boyfriend at her side as she buried her beloved husband. Is Bethenny tacky for talking about the relationship? Yup although she is grieving and when its not Bethenny Frankel, people tend to get a lot of free passes on their behavior while grieving. I'm sure everyone in Dennis's friend and family circle have had the "was it an accident? did I do something that triggered this?" conversation and to be honest, the big "Wow how awful for Dennis's family to hear that" moment was Ramona calling him a dumbass for using drugs. Was Bethenny wrong to go to Dennis's funeral? Until someone in Dennis's immediate family says "we asked her not to come", no, she wasn't wrong. She was his friend and occasional lover and they clearly had a relationship. If Jill can weep publically how the love of her life is gone with her boyfriend on her arm and not be called tacky, then it seems like the bar is already super low.

Easily explained. First, do remember that the messy house of yesteryear was much smaller and had four teenagers and multiple friends of teenagers constantly rampaging around it. There was a massive renovation that literally took months with kids sleeping on the floor. At one point Zach was sleeping in the livingroom/office because he was in a massive cast. Things were just a lot busier, in a much smaller space, with a lot of extra kids, none of whom were raised with any manners.(I;m including the friends of the kids in that). Now, its just Amy (and Jacob and Isabel) living in a much larger house and everyone's older and the friends have jobs and lives and can't just sleep over. Second, Matt is hardly the prince of neat. Funny how the double wide had an entire bedroom literally hoarded up and unusable because there was so much stuff packed into it. Now, I can also see it being a running bitch point between Matt and Amy to where she would ignore his complaining but honestly, I think the problem was that Amy couldn't keep up with the kids and their many extra kids, and Matt isn't exactly fastidious himself.

This. Amy gets their shaming but Jeremy is right at Daddy's side and keeps his mouth SHUT when Daddy Matt is enthusiastically planning his post divorce life. Not a peep from Jeremy on how he thinks Matt should have fought for his marriage and did Matt ever consider writing constant affirmations to his wife and doing the enneagram? Their silence, coupled with the shade thrown at Amy makes it pretty clear that they have taken a side and maybe they should own that. I also don't like how they constantly backpedal whenever tough questions come up concerning their advice and insist that they are not experts and are not in any way giving anyone advice. But divorce is absolutely wrong and you must FIGHT for your marriage. But this isn't advice and there's no way that they consider themselves anything but fresh faced innocent children struggling against the odds. But they are right about this even though this is absolutely not expert advice. And they are very vocal about very wrong people are to question them, deeming those people haters and liars and thats cute when you're a reality show star and not much is expected of you but might make things awkward when you're also a NY Times Best Selling Author telling people who question your qualifications that "You know 100 percent about nothing!" But really, my dislike mostly rolls around how they just don't seem like very nice people and they do seem very full of themselves. Jeremy's little declaration in his podcast on how people who attend church can't defend the faith as well as someone like himself who proudly endorses "home church" was the kind of arrogant, condescending, and dismissive self brag I've come to expect from him. I've also been skipping the podcasts because frankly, they're just ads for the book at this point.

Ah but this is a bit of a gripe on my part about the whole good manners thing. If you are invited to be a guest at someone's home, that is a gift on their part and you are not obligated to bring them a gift or return the favor. HOWEVER it is deemed good manners to bring your host a gift. HOWEVER if you are the hostess receiving the gift, it is considered good manners to utilize the gift you receive during the gift giver's stay as a show of appreciation. My little caviar eating trash panda Ramona is considered to be committing a faux pas when she doesn't share her house gifts for example. I think Luann is currently enjoying her role as the recovering addict who gets her way because she's so very sick. I agree that she doesn't think she has a problem. If Bethenny paid for the rehab (I didn't catch that but I did catch that Beth was annoyed that she checked out two weeks early for the cabaret show) then I hope Bethenny has learned her lesson and lets Luann pay for her own rehab the next time. Because I am willing to bet Bethenny didn't get a refund for the two weeks Luann skipped out on and if it was Luann's money being spent and not someone elses, I bet different choices would be made. I totally think Luann uses rehab as an excuse to avoid tough questions and to garner pity. I also think they don't always show the house gift giving but I am absolutely certain it happens with this crowd.

I'm going to be kind about that picture of Audrey and Ember. Audrey looks really tired and wrung out and too thin. Ember looks like a cute little boy in the carharrt jacket. I'm glad the fancy designer dresses and frills for Ember isn't always constant.

Or he might not be a pet person. Or its a combo of both. I won't lie. I grew up in a home with a mother who loved her dog like an extra child and loved the fact that the dog adored her and her alone, to where it was nippy and wouldn't mind anyone but her. Every irritating habit of the dog had to tolerated. I would come to visit as an adult, and I was wrong to be annoyed that the dog was getting into my suitcase and getting on my bed because "it was his house". The dog of my childhood had constant vet attention and the fact that I had chronic sinus problems was poo poo'd as no biggy. (in fact I had an allergy to pet dander) The dog of my childhood also graphically attacked two of my sister's pet cats to where one died and the other was maimed, and this was deemed my sister's fault for having cats, and also the cats fault for not understanding that mom's dog ruled the roost. If I didn't have allergies, I might consider having a dog but honestly, due to my experience with excessive dog owners, I don't have a lot of patience with people like Tory going crazy over a new puppy. I don't think this is Zach's experience but "the dog is family" isn't a universal sentiment, and it's not always a good mindset.