Churchhoney

Instead of just, you know, trying to improve. Yep, sounds about right.

Well, they got love-offering food drops on their porch, back in the day. Why not spouse drops? Kinda loving the relative sizes of the two states.

Trouble is, though, they actually are kids.

Me, too.

Every thread I read today boils down to just one thing. Jim Bob and Michelle have done terrible terrible things to all these children, from the oldest to the youngest, and continue to do them. 19 human beings created and warped just to boost the egos of two idiotic assholes. It's the stuff of nightmares. And it'll never end because all these kids are so screwed up that, while some can probably gain a little mental health eventually, none of them has the slightest shot at full recovery. Depressing as hell.

Wow. You sure get a twisted article when you follow the ravings of JV Soccer's twisted mind. Does he really not know that all he's ever been looking for is to be Mr. Famous BigShot in something, somewhere, anything, anywhere, with all his twistings and turnings between Goal or Pulpit? Goal or Pulpit? Obviously doesn't matter, does it, dude, since you'd be the featured Stah in both? Or does he know that he's never been anything but a ravening pulsing famewhorish ego but just think he's fooling everybody else? ... Of course, I guess if he has fooled others with his nutso self-contradictory tantrumic ravings about The Soccer! The Ministry! he's ended the confusion now that he's added The Reality TV! to the list. Except for Jinger, of course. I'm sure she believes that he's really always been torn between his love for athletics and his love for God and that he's not an egomaniac famewhore. Since she's spent her life being brainwashed into believing the same about Meeechelle and Jizm Bob. Poor Jinger.

And the Duggars say they're not a tv family!

Well, it's what their crappy parents -- AKA Jesus's favorite couple -- would do. The crabapples didn't fall far from the tree.

I expect his stepfather spends a lot of time looking like the little emoticon that keeps banging its head against the wall. Hard to imagine the horror of somebody even halfway sane finding themselves linked into the Duggars, even sort of tenuously, like that guy. You'd keep being confronted with the insanity all the time. And watching it further engulf people you knew and care about. I mean, it's nuts and frustrating at a vast distance. Can't imagine how nuts and frustrating it must be up close.

Don't they live with the SOSers? I mean, that's who has the gated compound with guards, right? Not locals? And don't they do their work -- such as it is -- mainly with missioncationers? ... So they may not be mentioning other North 'Muricans, but it's my impression (???) that they probably make up the main part of their acquaintance .... Is that others' impression as well or am I missing something here.

I know a Japanese woman, now in her early 50s, who does the same thing (slightly different style, of course ... but ...). Anyway, with her it's even more striking because half of her persona -- the half that appears when she's not with her husband -- is an extremely intelligent perceptive incisive woman, intellectually gifted, eager, energetic, curious, knowledgeable, snarky, funny, bilingual to a degree I couldn't emulate if I tried for a thousand years. And then when she's with her husband (a non-Asian American, although they live in Japan -- and not in Tokyo), her voice and demeanor change completely. Her body language, the pitch of her voice, all her intonations, and, of course, the whole tenor of what she says -- all completely different. Soft, hesitant-seeming, high-pitched, ultra-contained, diffident, etc. To my knowledge, this has nothing -- or at least very little -- to do with his wanting it. It seems to just come from the cultural/social expectations she's imbibed her whole life. It's freaking bizarre. Anyway, always reminds me of the Duggs (except for the, you know, intelligent, active, knowledgeable, funny, etc., part....)

Hey, don't you realize they have a "season" to fill! Kinda look like he's being held hostage. We can only hope.

If you were misguided enough to marry a Duggar, though, I can see why you'd keep hoping. Talk about "Is that all there is?"

I think you've hit upon yet another Duggar Family Motto. "I have 18 siblings, and the world revolves around me!"

You make a really good point. I haven't really watched the show ever except for some youtube snippets here and there, but my impression from that and from reading forums is that, thoughout the show's history, this family, parents and children, have been highly highly disrespectful to virtually everyone they've come in contact with who isn't, you know, them. I remember this disrespect story told about restaurants, churches, cities they don't live in, music, other countries, now the woods. Year after year. Episode after episode. All the blather from leghumpers, and the yearslong blather on tv networks and in magazines and so on, about what godly role models they all are sickens me, when I remember that their treatment of virtually all people who aren't them is across the board disrespectful, demeaning, mean, condescending, etc. Why has this been so invisible to so many? How could tv networks book them for morning shows as the great family of virtue and the family of Jesus, when all their actions have screamed that they're the very opposite of Jesus. I think I know why they act the way they do -- they're a nasty combination of fearful and arrogant. But how have so many people not noticed and instead taken them wholly at their own valuation? Does tv fame completely blind everybody to realities of all kinds? I just don't get it.

???? Okay, now I'm truly devastated to be missing this. WTF? When your child's name is Spurgeon, I guess you don't have much of a choice. Spur? Spu? Sp? 'on?

What I find especially peculiar is his timing. Back when Derick and Ben first clamored to join the shitshow, there still seemed to be the possibility of an upward trajectory. The scandals hadn't come out yet. The oldest Duggar kid was becoming a big wheel in politics. And so on. So I can see how they could have thought they were going to marry up. And probably get real boosts to their mission and ministry dreams. But now? What in the heck is Jeremy looking at that makes him think that the end isn't nigh for any serious Duggar fame and influence -- even within their own community? It's so clearly dwindling down to nothing. And yet, to me, Jer seems to be, if anything, more of a famewhore type than Bin and Dreck. Is he really truly in this because he found, first, Ben and Jessa, and then Jinger deeply attractive on a personal level? Is he not in this for the fame? That seems so unlikely to me because a) they clearly aren't attractive on a personal level, especially to somebody like him, who's had a pretty normal life in a lot of respects, and b) he comes across to me as such a massive phoney baloney. There seems to be such major slippage between him and what he says, every time i've heard him talk, that his persona just screams -- "I'm in this to become a famous preacherman on TeeVee!" And yet it should be clear by now that the Duggs really won't be an effective vehicle for that now.

Lie back and think of Bill Gothard. That ought to kill off any faint hints of the potential of something vaguely pleasurable about the act that might still lurk in any of the women. (while reminding them of their sacred duty, of course)

Be careful what you ask for, Jinge. 22 (or however many) years in the gulag will do that to you, I guess.

Michelle's advice to Jessa. Don't worry. Sex doesn't take long.

Because they are idiots. That's pretty much the answer to every question we ever ask about them, seems to me. Personally I think something's been leaking out of the landfill all these years.

I guess we shouldn't be aurprised . The only reason JB and M would have 19 kids would be for the feeling of ownership and dominion over them. They weren't viewing it as no temporary lease. And their cravings for ownership and control probably only grow stronger as the possibility of having still more minions recedes fatrher into the past. Especially for Jim Bob (since I think Michelle's kind of out of it and wanted the kids more as badges than as actual pawns probably). Now KJB's got nothing left to satisfy his ego except his feelings of control over the already existing kids.

Suddenly I'm thinking of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and so wishing there were a Sandy in there to suddenly rise up and say, "I've simply put a stop to you!" ...Jim Bob's probably too dumb to yell, "Assassin!" but I'm sure he'd yell something.

LOL Maybe she was!

I don't remember exactly when those pictures were taken, but I'm thinking maybe Jason? I think the twins would be a hair too old to look like that.