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Yeah, that's right.

No, he's actually pro-vac. He's against masks and social distancing and anybody who tells churches what to do in the name of public health. But he's spoken positively of vaccination all along.

On the bright side of decorating, Jer's office has a dead bobcat.

Does it have the obligatory plaque underneath? "The Single Day of Any Real Note in Jinger Duggar Vuolo's Life" ???

Thought I recognized you. You've got a real steady four. 😁

That silver (gray?) V for Vuolo is all you need.

Apparently the little sucker holds quite a bit, which Jingle has effectively demonstrated. I'd actually say this is one of her better shilling performances, at least!

I suppose I'm not in tune with the Zeitgeist, but I don't think a pastor and his wife should be shilling products, and I especially don't think they should be shilling expensive products. Pastors and their wives try to have major influence with parishioners and if that influence is used in ways that might tempt people into debt for consumer products, I don't think it's particularly decent. But I'm sure at Johnny Mac's church, and Hillsong and all the other wonderful modern churches, I'm an old fart with outdated atheistic ethics.

I'd be happy if the plane number meant that Jer is working as an instructor for somebody else's flying school. What do you think the chances are of that? Nathan seemed to have his own helicopter on last year's "rescue mission." It was just a two-seater training helicopter, though....

Do you think she has the kind of leghumpers who'll shell out 600 bucks for a vacuum cleaner?

JB's bought a bunch of used planes over the years. I think he's got big fantasies connected to planes, so it's probably hobby spending for him. And he doesn't seem to have much in the way of hobbies, so I suppose he figures he deserves it....Plus, it keeps some of the boys off the street.....lets them enjoy themselves away from bars and loose women and so on, just circling the airport. And they have flown various JB associates around quite a bit over time. Probably more than we know, since some of the more oft-used planes have had their flight records made inaccessible to the public. And I assume those people pick up all or most of the cost of their own flights. (and the pilots --all Duggarlings -- don't get paid or get paid very little, I expect -- because it's a hobby for them, too, And they're used to just getting whatever Daddy doles out.)

Next time they wanna have fun fun fun while pretending to work work work and help help help.

I think if you plead guilty, the minimum can be about 6 (the sentencing guidelines are in months rather than years) if you have absolutely nothing that makes the judge think you oughta get a little more. (The main thing that raises the sentence is having any criminal record at all, of any kind. Josh doesn't.) I wonder if they've convinced Josh of how much he has to lose if he decides to go to trial or whether he's going la la la la la I can't hear you.

Yeah, that sounds right. Plus, in his preaching classes, he was taught about, you know, preaching. To adults. His degree probably didn't include a "preaching to preschoolers" course. That's not the same thing at all. Because, in fact, you can't really "preach" to preschoolers. So combine his not really knowing what to do, trying to employ preaching-to-adult ideas to a situation where those ideas don't apply, and being on camera under pressure and you have the mess that was.

Yep, he was terrible at that. I found that really odd, because I've listened to all of a couple sermons and a few more bits, and he's really quite passable talking to adults. Strange that he's so awful with the kids, but he definitely was.

Nope. Not at all. I'd call him a far better preacher than Jer, even now that Jer's improved his delivery. Bin's delivery and what he says are both much more engaging. He's conscious of the need to relate to people. He doesn't drone on tonelessly. His voice is by nature much more pleasant than Jer's. His stuff has way more logical flow -- you get the sense of where he's going. He makes an effort to be clear and an effort to be helpful. He tries for some creative expression. I can't account for this. Although I wonder whether Bin has had less pretentious teaching? And maybe is a more down-to-earth person generally so he's more aware of speaking to people in a clear and conversational way?

Yeah, I don't know either. Although I do find it hard to imagine a woman in their particular faith plus their particular cult ever admitting to understanding or participating in a sex joke, at least.

There's mythology about them learning an amazing work ethic from JB's enterprises. But I think they more likely picked up their work habits at the SOTDRT, where my guess is that approximately nothing was ever done or learned by all these breakout tv stars. .... Someday they'll be asking their wives and husbands and children to bring them iced coffees in their recliners because they have missing back muscles.

Moved over from Smuggar's thread -- 1 HOUR AGO, LIBGIRL2 SAID: RE: What Bin is doing now. I thought he was pastoring. Well, he's never been said to do anything but preaching. They never said anything about what, if any, other parts of pastoring are involved in the arrangement. And the church's online presence has sort of suggested that they may not be functioning as anything except a source of online preaching at all, at this point. I think the church has been in the process of disintegrating and dwindling away for some years now. And I haven't been able to find anything suggesting what, if anything, they're doing now to build it back up -- although somebody must have hopes or they wouldn't even be putting these sermons out there. https://www.ibcspringdale.com/ Here are two things that it says on the church's website right now -- "No upcoming events at the moment" "SERMONS Learn more about our upcoming sermon schedule and where you can listen to our sermons." It appears that he's still preaching there. But it also appears that it's a church that just barely exists. And has just barely existed for maybe even a couple/few years now. And if all Bin does is preach one sermon most weeks, then that doesn't take a tremendous amount of time, and it probably pays next to nothing or, literally, nothing. He may be just doing it as a resume builder. Here are the recent sermons from Apple podcasts -- Immanuel Baptist ChurchImmanuel Baptist Religion & Spirituality 5.0 • 8 Ratings Listen on Apple Podcasts OCT 3, 2021 Logan McCollough - 1 Timothy 1:12-17 - Christ Came To Save Sinners Logan McCollough - 1 Timothy 1:12-17 - Christ Came To Save Sinners Sermon by Logan McCollough on 10/3/21. 1 Timothy 1:12-17. Christ Came to Save Sinners. PLAY 28 min SEP 26, 2021 Ben Seewald - Psalm 15 - Who Will Dwell With God Ben Seewald - Psalm 15 - Who Will Dwell With God Sermon by Ben Seewald on 9/26/2021. Psalm 15. Who Will Dwell With God. PLAY 44 min SEP 19, 2021 Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:27-29 - Sovereign Savior, Open Invitation Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:27-29 - Sovereign Savior, Open Invitation Sermon by Ben Seewald on 9-19-2021. Matthew 11:27-29. Sovereign Savior, Open Invitation. PLAY 44 min SEP 12, 2021 Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:20-27 - God's Plan Doesn't Fail Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:20-27 - God's Plan Doesn't Fail Sermon by Ben Seewald on 9-12-2021. Matthew 11:20-27. God's Plan Doesn't Fail. PLAY 47 min SEP 5, 2021 Daniel Rakes - 1 John 2:1-14 - How to Know That We Have Eternal Life Daniel Rakes - 1 John 2:1-14 - How to Know That We Have Eternal Life Sermon by Daniel Rakes on 9-5-2021. 1 John 2:1-14. How to Know That We Have Eternal Life PLAY 44 min AUG 29, 2021 Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:1-19 - Looking for Answers or Excuses? Ben Seewald - Matthew 11:1-19 - Looking for Answers or Excuses? Sermon by Ben Seewald on 8-29-2021. Matthew 11:1-19. Looking for Answers or Excuses? PLAY 43 min Show 10 More Episodes

Response moved from Cruel Snotty Smug Pickle Jokes by a Mean-spirited Narcissist Hopefully Headed to Prison over to Diaper Mountain. I loathe these people.

Jer has done podcasts with Josh Buice. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/g3-podcast/id1543989372

They're legal because you just inform the state that you're providing the school and you shape the co-op with language that says that the co-op services are NOT a "homeschool" that somebody else provides per se but are a school service organization or business or whatever. And then each parent provides a school for their own kids that makes use of some or all of those services {which could include a building where all classes take place, even ...or...whatever), just the way they make use of a computer program or a tutor or something. The Duggars could easily say that the TTH SOTDRT is the same type of arrangement. It's just a matter of everybody, including JB and M, getting the language right when they declare they're homeschooling. And they probably have to have statements that declare the TTH SOTDRT two different things -- the homeschool that they "provide" for their own kids and Tyler....And then also create a statement declaring it a different organization as well -- like a service-offering co-op. And then the Duggarlings can each "provide' a school for their own kids but, if they want, use in their schools only services, materials, tutors that are coming out of the TTH SOTDRT -- -- And, you know, JB and M have lawyers who can write the documents. It really is not an actual complication but just a wording technicality. And you only have to do any documentation once. You just need to tell your local school district that you will homeschool the first year you start your homeschool, so they'll know not to include your kids on their lists.

As far as I understand it, the only issue they could have with the Arkansas homeschooling law is that Anna and Josh aren't "providing" the school themselves, but are allowing the kids' grandparents to do it. Arkansas has virtually no legal requirements for the details of home schooling, such as teacher qualifications, or curricula or testing or anything. So the issue isn't Laura or anybody else who might be acting as a teacher. The issue is the wording of how the school is officially set up. The at-issue provision is this one -- and it would apply to all the grandchildren if they ended up at the TTH SOTDRT "DEFINITION OF A HOME SCHOOL "A “home school” is a school provided by parents or legal guardians for their own children." The law was set up as a "parents' rights" sort of thing -- giving parents the right to "provide" any damn thing they want for kids age 5 to 17 and be A-okay with state law.....I.e., who "teaches" in the school or whatever an adult may do in the school is deemed to be of no interest at all to the state because schooling tailored according to parents' wishes is accepted as an inalienable right in the state. BUT -- because this provision was created as a "parents' rights" thing -- JB and M are not, by law, allowed to "provide" a school/schooling for children other than their own children and Tyler, of whom they're the legal guardians. The rest of the Duggarlings (and all other Arkansans) are, by Arkansas law, required to "provide" schools for their own kids and only their own kids -- because that's at the heart of the "parents' rights" arguments. Now I'm sure there's some way they can structure things -- some language in which they can describe the SOTDRT now that it takes in more than one generation -- to bring this perfectly into accord with state law. Because obviously the people who set up this law would be perfectly happy to have parents voluntarily turn over the provision of their kids' schooling to grandparents, as long as it's what the parents' proactively opt for. And obviously in this case, it is. So .... no biggie at all, really. And other than this "provide the homeschool for your own kids," there are pretty literally no rules at all for what you can do, except for the one they apparently still have on the books about not schooling in a home where there's a registered sex offender.....They won't have to cope with that for at least six years or so, though.....And by then that law may be off the books...😁

Unfortunately, Christianity Today has run pieces criticizing MacArthur more than once, so it's probably on Pinocchio's forbidden list. 😁

Certainly doesn't. I was so mesmerized by Jessa's I didn't even notice. Jana's lucky that some of her actual hair is hidden behind other people in the picture.