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Amy's greatest fear -- disappearing! In the age of infinite "publication" and infinite social media, I think the Duggs' "fame" convinced FAmy that she not only needs to be projecting some phony image all over social media daily to validate that she still exists (the way most people do) but that she also needs to be the source of some online gossip-outlet story or, better, be in some story -- as "the rebel Duggar," for instance -- a few times a year to prove her existence. She may have almost as hard a time adjusting to the gradually waning public interest in all things Duggar as JB will. (and personally I kind of think JB may actually be becoming unhinged in the face of their collapsing prominence......Maybe he and FAmy should go to therapy together.)

And if they haven't learned anything about how to improve the situation by now -- and they haven't -- they're not going to. They're clearly very reluctant learners and quite unteachable as well as inept. That said, though, Jer clearly is a quite talented toady and a talented identifier of people who like to be toadied to. So I think he'll almost certainly find a new person to toady for even after MacArthur shuffles off. He won't reach his big goal -- fame and prominence -- but you can make a quite reasonable living being a suckup. He probably won't be really happy, but he'll still be able to buy some stuff.

Of course, being the ridiculous child he is, he might still have done the thumbs up -- only bigger and more enthusiastically. And then .... "What do you mean, the mask was so people wouldn't see me smiling? Why should I stop smiling! I don't understand...Waaaaaa---aaaaa---aaaa..." 😁

I'm sure this is what The Sun person's editor keeps yelling at the reporter. "People read us for dirt, not technology education. Get back to agitating people about who's sitting with whom in that courtroom! A couple dozen people are actually interested in the tech shit....Screw them! Millions'll click on us to read about a family feud!"

Well, everything's been said but not everybody has said it, re: south and north ends. This is from Free Jinger, May 22, 2015 -- talking about the end of 19 Kids -- and quoting Anna as saying the "south end" and "north end" part. ..... Bin and Jessa were apparently in this same episode talking to Anna.....but contemporaneous evidence says it is Anna who talked about that, unfortunately. Quote from free jinger poster -- 'The part that bothers me the most was Anna saying that "mama takes care of the north end, and daddy takes care of the south end." SHE KNEW. And she still gave him, most likely, unsupervised diaper changing time with Mack. I am just at a loss.' https://www.freejinger.org/topic/23398-josh-duggar-admits-to-molestation-rumors-part-2/page/30/

Good point. I think that's pretty much what all patriarchy-loving guys want. After all, being an adult implies not only having full reasoning powers and some understanding gleaned from experience but agency......None of these patriarchy guys -- even the ones who don't sneak around committing felonies -- want to view women as being in possession of any of those things.

I wouldn't be surprised if even his defense attorneys call him "Pest" behind his back.

Yeah, Matthew is the youngest Waller. Seems likely he would have been pretty agitated when his testimony came around and probably badly needed some support. He seems to have had little or nothing at all to do with anything the trial's actually about. But he was all tied up in it nevertheless, with the prosecution seeking his testimony and then apparently the defense lawyers talking to him too-- and leading him into trouble on the stand, no less. That had to be confusing and anxiety-producing. And being in another IBLP honcho family, he's probably all too aware of the Duggars' "importance." So I hope his brother was there for him. Unlikely that anybody else in his family was around. He's not from Arkansas. HIs parents live in the upper Midwest somewhere, I think.

For a cult founded to promote the critical importance of viewing your parents as your primary leaders and moral counselors and founts of wisdom and umbrellas of protection throughout as much of your life as they're alive for, the two first-generation Gothard couples who are parents of the primary players in this mess are conspicuous by their absence, are they not? That may be the most telling irony in the whole story: Four of Gothard's truest believers demonstrate by their actions that everything they've always claimed to believe in is pure crap. Yet again.

Probably. But if there is a god of the kind she purports to believe in, I'll bet that god really likes truth, kindness and children. So Anna's prayers were probably barking up the wrong tree.

Gotta get out there and remind people that there are far worse sexual sins than the ones Josh is being falsely accused of here. Not that Bin has the slightest clue of what he is being accused of. 😬

Well, if he's stupid enough to still smirk he might as well get his smirking in now. I don't think he'll be doing much of that for at least the next five years or so.

I think you've just explained how the Duggars can say they're Christians but then apparently not care about anybody else in the world. That appears to be a widespread disease, infecting not just the Duggars but CMA winners, superbowl winners and many more of the relatively lucky. Jesus loves ME! Jesus loves ME! Jesus loves ME! It's right there in that song they taught us in church! It's a brain disease that makes you miss the point., basically.

I don't see how a person who acknowledges they were molested as a child by a defendant could possibly seem like a valuable witness for the defense in a case about that defendant accessing CP, though. The reason the prosecution is talking about the molestations is to make the point that Josh has been motivated in the past by some kind of sexual interest in young girls. And -- they're arguing -- since he had that motivation once, that makes him a likely candidate for still having that motivation, but now satisfying his interest in a different way -- via video. Just having a young girl he once showed sexual interest in come forward and say, "Oh, it didn't bother me at all. It was no big deal! I totally forgive him" does nothing at all to refute the idea that he did have that sexual interest. And that he acted on it. Whether it bothered her or not is completely beside the point for the prosecution's purposes in this trial. Her appearing on the stand would just put a face on the sexual motivation that Josh did, in fact, have and that she wouldn't be denying, even if she now testifies that he's the best person on the planet.

Seems likely to me that while David really admired and liked Josh (partly because Josh was held up as a potential leader of men and David looked up to that and wished he could be that instead of the guy in the apron), Josh never exactly returned the admiration. I'd bet the criminal-record type of IBLP guys have always been more Josh's speed. I've always sort of pictured Josh ridiculing David behind his back while chatting about skirting the law or some such with the Caleb Williams sort of IBLPers.😬 I mean, strangers on the internet routinely ridicule David Waller for things he can't help and not just about the pecan-thief fhing.....So if that happens, I'm sure Josh has directed plenty of viciousness at DW, at least behind his back if not to his face. According to the I Pray You Put This Journal Away guy, Josh could be quite the vicious backstabbing creep to other guys who trusted him. As when IPYPTJA Justin confided in him about some abuse he experienced from one of the adult men. Josh immediately snitched on Justin for being a snitch and increased his problems. (according to Justin, of course. But he does come across as more credible than Josh usually does, to me anyway.)

In the United States it's not illegal to use TOR. I've used it as a journalist. Various publications use it as part of their systems to allow whistleblowers to communicate with them safely, for example. It has uses in the government and the military, where it was initially developed. Etc. There are authoritarian regimes that are eager to stamp it out completely. But since those regimes are the main reason it was invented in the first place by the part of the world that values democracy and human rights, that's to be expected. It's that kind of opposition to it that has to be fought, not the technology. Here it's perfectly legal. But as with lots of other legal things -- like cars and money and locksmiths' tools -- you can use it to help you do things that are illegal.....And it's your bad acts that are illegal, not your use of TOR.

And based on your posts here, I'm sure your explanations are excellent with this preparation....Great procedure -- and exactly what everybody should do -- but so many people don't! I expect Mr. Wofford didn't......His Linkedin shows him to be in a general bad mood. 😁 I feel for the reporter here who's trying to write about technical stuff while also telling people who put whose arm around whom in the courtroom and so on......She/he/they is busier than a one-armed paperhanger, as they used to say.....

He probably even paid Hilaria's and the kids' way up from Texas......

Well, Wofford may have said the correct thing, but didn't clarify so the reporter (and others in the courtroom and readers ) got kind of the wrong impression. A general-assignment reporter gets sent to cover this kind of thing.....And that person didn't realize that the computer-related definition of "partition" isn't the same as the general definition of "partition." The general definition of partition, the one that people without specialized computer knowledge know as the main noun-definition is this -- "a structure dividing a space into two parts, especially a light interior wall," IOW, the ordinary definition of "partition" is the WALL between the two parts ..... In computing, the definition of "partition" is one of those PARTS..... "Each of a number of portions into which some operating systems divide memory or storage." And when you're trying to write a story instantly, and trials -- or just anything they tell you to report on, more likely -- are your beat and not computers, you wouldn't know this. I think we absolutely have to cut the reporter some slack here (largely, I suppose, because I'm a reporter.....Still.....) Meanwhile, people in the computer industry like Wofford -- who know perfectly well that there are different definitions and that they don't use the one that the general public knows and regularly uses -- still often don't bother to explain the difference in terminology, Instead, people with technical vocabularies usually just charge ahead using words with specific, technical definitions without telling anybody. It would have taken Wofford a couple seconds to explain how his use of the word "partition" wasn't the one most people are used to.......And in a courtroom where there's a jury and reporters, all of whom need to understand what's going on but aren't knowledgeable about his field, he ought to have helped them to understand by doing this.....But his Linkedin profile suggests that he's kind of a massive grump....so that may explain why he didn't! (if he didn't) Explain technical terminology, people! A lot can ride on that! (rant rant rant! -- it drives me crazy that people use specialized definitions that they have to know will mislead people in situations like this where it's so important!) End of rant.

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I think Josh gave all his actually valuable information and assistance to the prosecution. Could be karma.

Exactly. But I wonder whether she/they fear that she's so upset by this that she might just lose it in the courtroom....or is already so heavily medicated because of the multiple shocks here that it'd be very noticeable....... Some of her video and social-media appearances over the past several years have been pretty wacked out as it is....And you probably wouldn't want to provide an additional spectacle for the public....or put her through something that she just might not be able to handle. Of course there's over a week of this trial to go yet, at least. So she may still make an appearance. She rode on a parade float over the weekend, after all.

Which is definitely not out of the question.....😬

They have numbers on their side, though..... When companies look for influencers, if you have a million followers -- as Joy does -- or considerably more than that -- as Jessa, Jingle, etc., do -- then they know that even a relatively low level of attraction and engagement by those followers is likely to produce some tangible results. With a million followers, if only one tenth of one percent of those people click or swipe up or whatever on your post, the thing you're pushing is gonna get a thousand hits/sales/download/ad-views. So if having you as an infuencer doesn't cost a business much (and doesn't have an obvious, major PR downside or something) they're gonna want you as influencer because 1000 extra sales or even views are hard to come by. And even a lot of major celebrities don't have the numbers of followers that the Duggarling sisters do......So the Duggs may make up just in pure numbers what the others have in terms of actual influence...... i see Meryl Streep has under 600 K insta followers. So she and a Duggar sister might actually be fairly comparable in the attention and business they generate. Streep probably gets a much higher percentage of engagement and such. But she's getting a higher percentage of a considerably smaller number................They're probably getting a considerably lower percentage of a much higher number...........It may well average out. Your number of followers matters as much or nearly as much as your fame/power, really, it seems.

There's a Justin? 😁 (Yeah-- and there are also a Jason and a James.....Really?? Really???.....The younger Howlers are almost as Lost as the Lost Girls, when you start to think about it.... And yet a lot of them -- and their mothers-in-law -- seem to think they're celebrities. 😁 )