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Snapper's not completely in the right here. When Supergirl goes on the record, it's a story, even if it's just "Supergirl made allegations but offered no evidence for claims." You absolutely do not kill the story. Especially since, well it's freaking Supergirl. If Kara gets her job back, then I wouldn't be surprised if that's the justification for doing so.
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Honestly as someone who was never all that fond of the idea of "journalist Kara," too much like her aping Clark's thing imo, I'm not all that sad at seeing CatCo potentially go. I mean Cat is what really made that place fun, and she's not around now. Kara carrying Lena in her arms bridal style, and apparently they go on "dates." OK, they're doing this intentionally now, they have to be. Chyler and Melissa continue to be awesome. As for Winn and Lyra.
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Honestly I don't agree with the "idiot ball" assessment. I thought that it was quite believable (well except for J'onn to a degree). And other shows/films have done it before without being accused of that either.
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As someone who was onboard the "Jeremiah should be Cyborg Superman" train, the "twist" here, though obvious, still works well in terms of potential future stories imo. Chyler Leigh has been one of the highlights of this show for awhile now. So no surprise that she his here as well. Kara had sex finally. That Alex/Maggie scene was really good. Mon-el making the completely obvious and logical point of "isn't this all too easy and convenient? Something doesn't smell right here." Yes Mon-el, yes it is and no it doesn't. I can buy Alex and Kara being just blinded by happiness at getting their father to want to believe it, at least at first. But J'onn comes across like an idiot here. HE at least should be asking these questions to.
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Alex and Maggie were good, although they could have used more time imo. Winn and his alien GF (who looks like a cross between Buffy vampires and the Bajorans from Star Trek) were cute. Hopefully that's an ongoing thing and she doesn't turn out to be evil. Mr. M was a nice villain and they did a good job of making him kind of fun, but also showing how creepy he could be as well. Also Kara outsmarted a villain, and beat him on her own, well-played. Kara and Mon-el was, eh. I didn't hate it, but it didn't love it either. It was just there for me. I'm hoping that them actually getting together will lead to some progress though. Also I'm wondering if they'll confirm 100% whether they went "all the way" or not next episode?
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Any episode that has Lena as a big part of it is usually going to be good. And this one is no exception. Don't you turn Lena evil show, don't you do it. Especially since Lena's whole thing is NOT wanting to be judged by her family name and trying to break away from them. Also the whole "they're destined to be evil, it's just genetics" is an idea that I've never liked. Fiction writers, genetics do not work that way. Heck I'll give Smallville credit for NOT doing that with Tess Mercer. And Speaking of Tess, the whole "Lena is actually Lionel Luthor's daughter by another woman" thing is clearly a nod to Tess. Oh and when Lena and Kara were sitting alone near the end, and Lena was singing Kara's praises practically while wearing that, aesthetically pleasing dress, I half-expected her to kiss Kara, or at least try to. Either way, Melissa and Katie have great natural chemistry with each other.
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Those could be interesting ideas, IF they were explored. The issue is that, as of yet, nothing like that has even been hinted at, let alone explored. And for goodness sake, even Barry is getting to have some hanky panky now, so what gives with Kara? It reminds of how so many writers seemed terrified of giving Wonder Woman any kind of romantic/sex life in the comics (at least on-panel). Not all, but enough to be noticeable. It's like they think that it makes her "less pure" or some other such nonsense.
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OK, I'm just going to say it and forgive me if I sound crass. I just don't understand why Supergirl can never have sex. It's getting ridiculous. Same! Every other romantic relationship on the show (Winn & Siobhan, Alex & Maggie, James & Lucy) has had some sort of sexual element, including the multiple humans and aliens Mon-El has bumped uglies with. Supergirl needs to get laid. It's starting to come off as if supergirl has sex it means she's been "conquered" or 'tainted" or something. I don't care at this point if it's with Mon-el or Lena, or whomever. It's weird that pretty much everyone else of note has had that to one degree or another but her. But that aside, this was a really good episode. I hope that M'Gann isn't gone for good though.
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The name thing, was really really contrived, and groan-inducing. And given how poorly they've handled their female characters in the past (and present actually), I'm not exactly optimistic about this new one. Talia is potentially intriguing though. And Oliver, enough with the "no killing" nonsense, because even you still do to (remember when you flat-out executed Damian Darhk last season)?
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The thing is, if they'd had her specify the distinction, then this wouldn't be a problem. But they didn't. Instead, they had her make a blanket statement about people without powers not being heroes. Which is ludicrous given her previous experiences, RECENT ones even. Hey Kara, forget Alex (and Maggie, who gets involved in these matters as well without powers BTW). Did you forget about Oliver, or Sara, or Diggle, or Thea, or Atom, or Heatwave, etc? That's what's so irritating about it, it'd be REALLY easy to fix, but they just didn't.
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Kara's "only people with powers should be heroes" is pretty stupid. Hey Kara, you have no problem working with a bunch of non-powered people on a daily basis, including your own sister. Also they hinted that Batman existed in this universe as well before. AND she just worked with a bunch of non-powered heroes during the crossover like two episode ago. If they had specified that it was about James and his lack of training or experience, or questionable motivations, then that'd have made far more sense. But her blanket statement as is, is ludicrous given her own past experiences.
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So yeah, I really didn't like this episode. I mean sure there have been far worse-written episodes of this show. But this, this felt like a giant troll job to the audience. First they kill off Laurel in such a pathetic way last season, for no good reason. Then they tease like they might fix that mistake, only for it to be a cheap gimmick cliffhanger. Then they make Black Siren look like a useless idiot, Team Flash look like useless idiots, and the of course let their pet character punch BS out. So basically garbage all the way through. Oh and don't care about the new girl at all. Not after how the show treated the last two.
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I Haven't met anyone who doesn't like Rey. I'm a 25 year-old guy and she's my favorite character (followed by Finn and yes, Kylo). As for Finn, I'd prefer that he NOT be Force Sensitive. 1. It'd be boring if all of our major characters were FS, 2. I like the idea of the "bad*** normal" in this world full of superpowered beings (Han and Lando being two prominent examples), and 3. You don't need to be FS in order to be a worthwhile character, as Finn in TFA already proved.
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I got the politics in the film. But yeah, I feel like how The Resistance factors in could have maybe been explained a bit more. It's in the opening crawl, and Hux briefly brings it up in his speech, but it's quick in both cases.
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Part of the reason why I was cool with all the OT callbacks was that there seemed to be this theme permeating the film of "acknowledge the past and it's importance, but don't be obsessed with it." -Relics/ruins of the past are all over the film. Once powerful SD's on Jakku now life half buried in the sand, picked over daily for scrap until not much is left. Pretty much every character and group in the film is defined by the past in one form or another, and that's usually treated like a BAD thing: -The FO is obsessed with recapturing the "glory days" of the Galactic Empire, to the point that they will slaughter BILLIONS of innocent people using a weapon inspired by one that already failed the GE TWICE. They cannot accept that times have changed. -Multiple characters are running from their pasts. Finn, Han, Leia, etc. And the idea is that "you need to stop running, and face those demons, if you are ever to move forward." And in Han's case, you could argue that his past consumed him. -Han and Leia both went back to "what they were good at," after losing their son. And as a result of trying to live in the past, they've never been truly happy since. -Kylo is obsessed with upholding the "legacy" of his grandfather Darth Vader, and that has twisted him into something ugly and evil. And then there's Rey. She literally and figureatively lives in the past. Her home is a fallen AT-AT, she makes her living by scavenging from fallen SD's. Her planet is littered with the ruins of the past, SD's, X-Wings, etc. And, she's also stuck in the past, allowing herself to live a miserable existence on the vain hope that her family will just magically appear one day to whisk her away. Something that, and Daisy Ridley's performance was brilliant here, her reaction to Maz Kanata's words prove that SHE knows will never happen. But she cannot admit it, so she's willing to turn down a dream job offer from her idol Han Solo just to keep living in this fantasy. And she runs away from her true destiny, which only serves to get her captured and tortured by Kylo. And by the end, she's accepted that her past is just that, her past. And now she's moving forward, and may ultimately be rewarded for it. If anything, TFA is a palate-cleanser to both lure back disenchanted old fans and draw in new fans by giving them something somewhat familiar that they love. And it seems to have succeeded very well at that for the most part. It basically sets things up so that the next two films can go off in their own truly different directions.
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I agree that having Kylo take his mask off in front of Rey was a great idea, for several reasons: -Having him take it off in front of Han for the first time would have been the most cliché/predictable route that they could have gone. -Yes, I do think that there were supposed to be creepy undertones to the scene initially. When you have a 19/20 year old young woman strapped down to your creepy torture table in your creepy torture room, she looks scared to death and is trying to lean back/turn away to avoid you, you're hovering right next to her face, and THEN you say the line "you know that I can take whatever I want," the subtext is hard to miss. Heck there was a husband/wife couple sitting right next to me and they got it because one of them, IDK which, whispered under their breath "ewww." Not to mention mind probes in and of themselves have disturbing undertones (it was creepy when he did it to Poe earlier as well). -It makes the later stuff where she gets the better of him all the more satisfying. -That scene might be my favorite scene in the film, and a lot of it comes down to Ridley/Driver's performances. It's hard to make a scene where they're not talking for a lot of it and just making intense faces at each other look not goofy, but they pull it off. And we needed to see their faces for that to work properly. -It tells you so much about his character. He's a poser. A talented one, but a poser nonetheless. He doesn't need the mask, like Vader did, he wears as a tribute and because it's the only time that he feels truly powerful/in-control. Once it comes off, he becomes much more awkward/less confident, and more still when Rey resists him so well, and that's all on Driver's face/posture as well. He's just a angry, scared young man who wants so badly to be Vader, is trying to be, but doesn't know how. Which Rey uses to crush his proverbial Force Balls with one sentence, great stuff.
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I actually really liked Kylo. He was interesting, menacing, and they even got some good comedy out of him at times, And I love that they're almost doing a bit of meta-commentary with him. People expected them to just try and do "Vader 2.0." Well not only are they not doing that, they're almost doing a commentary in-film about how that's not really possible. As for the resemblance thing, I can actually buy Adam Driver being Harrison Ford's son. They're faces look similar enough. And besides, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher really don't look that much alike, yet they were playing twins.
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I REALLY liked this. It gave me exactly what I wanted, an entertaining, well-made, well-directed, movie with a bunch of character that I instantly liked and some intriguing story points. I wouldn’t rank it over ESB (that’s next to impossible to top) and I’m not sure if it’s above ANH for me (both this and ANH do some things better than others). But it’s better than the rest easily I think. The best part for me was the characters, they ALL had great chemistry with each other and the script gives them lots of good banter/dialogue to play off of each other with. Finn/Rey, Finn/Poe, Finn/Rey/Han, heck even something like Kylo/Hux’s rivalry, so many fun pairing here, it was great. This is also the best all-around acting of any SW movie imo. The action was fun, the effects were great for the most part, and it sets up some intriguing mysteries (I’m ok with the level of ambiguity because it’s only Part 1 or a 3-part story, but that’s just me) that I’m interested to see play out. Oh and that last scene/shot was PERFECT imo, LOVED every second of it. If I were to rank the films right now: 1. ESB. 2. TFA/ANH (I go back and forth). 3. ROTJ. 4. ROTS. 5. TPM. 6. AOTC (the only SW film that I actually LOATHE). After seeing the film, IDK that Rey is Han's biological daughter. However, I DID pick up on the surrogate father/daughter relationship that they were building (which makes what ultimately happens all the more tragic). Heck Kylo even mentions it when he peers into her mind "you see Han Solo as the father that you never had" or something along those lines. Heck they were even finishing each other's sentences at times. So perhaps it's fitting that Chewie seems like he'll be her partner moving forward (judging by the ending). Han did say that Chewie "kind of liked her."
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I seem to be in the minority here, but I really liked Ward as a villain (sorry, but I just find him really entertaining). Actually, I find him to be one of the better MCU villains honestly. And I quite like Brett Dalton. So I'm more than happy that they found a way to keep him around for at least a little longer.
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It was a decent finale (Coulson killing Ward was hardcore, and I say that as someone who really liked Ward as a villain). But, I felt that too many important/interesting things happened offscreen: -Remember how HYDRA was using the ACTU to stockpile Inhumans as weapons (and apparently succeeding)? Doesn't matter because Lash just kills them all OFFSCREEN, with just a couple of lines from May explaining it. -So Will DID die protecting Simmons (called that btw), OFFSCREEN. -Bobbi takes out like a dozen HYDEA goosn, OFFSCREEN. -The Inhuman god-thing possessing Ward's body (which is a cool idea btw), and escapes, OFFSCREEN. They'd better have a really good explanation for how he escaped btw. -Etc. For a "momentous" mid-season finale, this trend was disappointing. Not BAD certainly, but not great either, just ok. Oh and this episode REALLY didn't do anything to sell me on "killing Rosalind was the right move." The whole "vengeance Coulson was even more pronounced here, and I hate that a cool character was blatantly fridged just for that.
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-Zoom's plot feels a bit too similar to RF's from last season, and they'd better not actually go the "Harrison Wells betrays them" route yet again. -Jay/Caitlin still feels really forced/awkward. -Jesse L. Martin, Grant Gustin, and Candace Patton tore it up acting-wise in that scene where Barry and Iris told Joe about Wally. -Patty was also really good this episode (tell her already Barry/Joe, this is getting ridiculous). -"Every universe has The Godfather." GOOD, because The Godfather is EPIC!! -I liked Wally so far. Granted he's had like a minute of screentime, but still. -More delightful Mark Hamill scenery-chewing, also awesome. -Count me in on the "getting tired of the GA bashing" thing. Not only is it unnecessarily petty, but it doesn't even line up with Joe/Oliver's more recent interactions. All in all, a pretty good episode.
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Well, I was wrong. Congratulations to all who called this before. I wonder of the real Hank Henshaw is still out there? If he is, he might not be happy about someone else stealing/using his identity. Also, this reveal opens the door for more "hidden heroes" to potentially be out there (since Superman and Supergirl are apparently the only public ones in this continuity). Also I continue to be impressed with how much more interesting they've made Cat Grant so quickly.
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They don't really have on the comics either. There are SHIELD people hooking up with each other there as well. Plus, technically the ACTU is NOT SHIELD, they're just working with them. So it'd be more like a CIA agent hooking up an FBI one, or DEA, of ATF, etc. Perhaps not the smartest of ideas, but technically not against policy either. Plus Coulson has a track record here (he was willing to look the other way when May and Ward were sleeping together in Season 1, as long as it didn't end up adversely effecting their ability to do their jobs well).
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It seems like most of the complaints in relation to Iris vs. Patty boil down to "Iris and Barry need to be together, because that's how it is in the comics." And personally, I don't care. This ISN'T the comics, they're under no obligation to do things 100% like the comics, nor should they in my opinion because that'd be boring. Right now, I like Patty and her chemistry with Barry is just better than Iris (she works well as a friend/confident, not as a romantic interest). So I'd prefer that they stick to this right now, as opposed to forcing Barry/Iris, for nostalgia's sake. Now onto more important elements, WOW Zoom is a beast. He pulled a Bane on Barry and crippled him, yikes. Also, Barry telling Linda, and his reasoning for doing so, was surprisingly mature/reasonable, well-played writers, well-played.
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I also agree that "Rosalind is evil and has been working for Malick/HYDRA all along" seems like pretty much the easiest/most cliché way that they could go. Plus it ruins her fun dynamic with Coulson AND she's just flat-out more interesting as a person who has good intentions as well, but a different perspective on things and different methods. Hopefully, it's not that cheap. Maybe she doesn't know who Malick really is/is affiliated with or something. Also, poor Coulson. First action that he's had in years, and then this happens. So Strucker Jr is still alive, good. Also, Poor May (woman just cannot catch a break it seems). Iain de Caestecker's magnificent acting continues, and Elizabeth Henstridge aint bad herself.