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hard to figure out- and she calls the tolls "business expenses"? If she teaches in NYC and has her yoga business in NYC, where is she going to rack up that much? (Also, EZ pass usually just taps into a credit card. So maybe, they kept trying to bill a bad cc?) I do know that if I were in that much financial trouble, I would forgo the oat milk lattes. Now that we know her financial situation, makes sense that TLC spent so much time showing her being miserable in NYC (nearly getting mowed down by a bicyclist, overpaying for her coffee, grimacing at the dirty streets).

I think she is still in the early stages of acknowledging her sexuality- she described how she had relationship problems with men for years and finally saw a therapist who suggested she was a lesbian and the light went off, so to speak. She has never had a serious relationship either- so here she is, thinking that FaceTiming a woman thousands of miles away for a few months is enough to determine that they are "soulmates," despite the fact that her "soulmate" disappears for periods of time (even when Jeymi's grandmother died) and despite the fact that Jeymi took that as a reason to experiment with other women. She is not ready to settle down, yet seems to be trying to push that to the back of her mind and cover up her uncertainty and nervousness with a lot of giggling and immature behavior.

If you've seen her "prequel" (Love in Paradise)- she is the master of weird rituals and beliefs. She has "cleansed" hotel rooms with incense (is that what you call it? Waving smoky stuff around?); gotten VERY angry at Yohan for eating peanuts (not only because they somehow cost like $80 out of the minibar but because her "spiritual advisor" whom she consulted before a trip to the DR told her they would bring on some sort of evil; and now her skincare routines (sooo hard to accomplish at Yohan's house!) and meditation rituals. She is an entitled, selfish woman who seems to have completely lost any redeeming qualities since her previous show. Sorry, but sitting there on camera and saying stuff like "well, gotta tell him he's never gettin' to New York!" and "He expects ME to pay for things? Uhhhh, that's not gonna happen" just make her look even worse. I kind of laughed to myself at the very last scene as she waddled off down the street after their "discussion" regarding his business ("he doesn't know simple math!"- how condescending- along with the exaggerated gagging/saying she couldn't breathe, etc. As I watched Narcolepsy woman head into the airport with her rainbow skirt and spangly mask, I thought, "damn; she's gonna have to take all of those scrunchies off of her wrists to get through security!" Her mom seemed very level headed. But she and her girlfriend are headed for nothing but trouble (aka TLC exciting drama)- they already have issues with ghosting, cheating, chronic illness and psycho behaviors. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it very off-putting when these couples are arguing while constantly calling each other "my love," "mi amor," "baby," etc.

How many times this episode did I hear the snoopy, intrusive family members (after asking intimate and embarrassing questions) say something along the lines of, "Well, I don't know if he/she is being sincere or maybe they are just giving the right answers/the responses they think we want to hear." I dunno; what do you think? Being grilled by people you don't know at first meeting and going into this "experiment" in the spirit that is intended, what else should they expect? Controversial political opinions? Cursing like a sailor? Negativity? This is like a job interview; I would hope that the participants would have fairly pleasant, optimistic and benign answers to all of the families' interrogations.

I'm only about 15 minutes in, but I'm puzzled: Why would Ed expect Liz to "have his back when everyone is attacking him"- but the reason they are is because it's been proven that he lied to her numerous times to her face? Is he that stupid? She is supposed to defend his actions against her because she supposedly loves her? Make it make sense.

My CC did that too! I didn't catch Andrei saying it, but was wondering the same thing. I know it's happened before where "cast members" use pseudonyms (like the Crazy Chantal Family).

I wonder if Kody thinks it was enough for him to apologize to Gabe and Garrison (because he was directly asked on camera) and so he's done his part to "fix things." The fact that he, as the adult, made comments that they needed to come to HIM to initiate conversation and start to repair the relationship (and stated like a petulant man-child) shed a lot of light on his immaturity. Gabe's heartbreaking scene in which he tells us how sad he was not to hear from Kody on his birthday revealed to me that he is miles ahead of his father in the maturity and insight departments.

Long ago, Robyn insisted on air that no, the wives don't discuss their relationships with each other nor does Kody bring issues with one wife to another wife because, you know, they don't want to meddle in each others' marriages.😇 However, Robyn has, unwittingly or not, revealed that there's a lot of kvetching that goes on, mostly from Kody regarding his "disrespectful" spouses (those who are NOT Robyn).

Honestly, the stress of being "Mrs." Brown has taken its toll on Meri. But she seems to think she's all that with her squeaky pleather jackets (too tight), egg-beater styled hair and orange foundation. I agree about Janelle and Christine. I am very tired of the "I'm an independent woman" schtick from Meri- I do have to say that getting into this bizarre religion/culture does require (as much as WE disagree with it) a lot of deference to the husband, "staying sweet" and having a cooperative relationship with the other wives. I'm not sure she is living up to that bargain; and if she realizes that she is fighting the "coolture" then she shouldn't be surprised Kody has a zillion reasons to not want her as a wife any longer. So that said, she should just take her leggings, shuffle off to Parawan and live her life. Maybe living on the Planet of Kody Brown just isn't all that.

Exactly- here is a guy who has an obvious physical deformity; has probably been teased a lot throughout his life; and has now acquired a modicum of "fame" by being on reality TV and has been riding the train for years now. So he is pushing the envelope with his behavior, more than a little full of himself, and when someone calls him out on his obvious lies or bullshit he can paint himself as a victim: "You should defend me!" Or, maybe not said but implied: "Sure, make fun of the short guy with no neck!" Seriously, his physical shortcomings are in no way an excuse for him to be a complete asshole. He was to Rose because he felt that he could play savior and rescue her from her impoverished living situation while scoring a beautiful young foreign woman. Now he sees himself as Liz's savior since she has little to no self-esteem and has failed in several marriages, so she can't possibly criticize him.

Exactly. And what Robyn was saying basically was, "they're jealous because I have more of his affection and attention than they do; but they should be GLAD he gives them what he does!" She was probably quite full of herself when she entered the family as the skinniest, youngest and arguably the prettiest wife. (I say that because before I started seeing the true personality, she was pretty. Now she is very unattractive, inside and out.) Also she alluded to the fact that the other wives didn't submit to sex everytime Kody demanded it? Didn't he say that he was unattracted to them because they didn't behave properly and "respect" him enough?

Ed's asking for the ring was despicable, but I thought much worse was the way he was completely gaslighting her- and I use the term judiciously because it's way overused these days. But he was constantly turning everything back on Liz: "Stop being dramatic; this is how you are! You should have been defending ME!" "This is how Liz is; she acts like she does no wrong. She should have had my back while everyone ATTACKED ME!" Well Ed- the evidence that you lied was right out there and pretty indefensible; yet you resorted to name-calling and the stupid "No speak English" retort when you were pressured. He's done similar before: when she gets upset it's "Liz, you're drunk. I'm not talking to you when you're like this;" etc. Liz either has no- ZERO- self worth or she really is willing to look pathetic for a few TLC bucks. I'm willing it's a little of both- anyone who has been married, what- 2,3 times? in their 20s, has a child she doesn't have custody of, and resorts to hitching onto a slimy, repugnant dick like Ed has more problems than we can ever address here. She needs therapy and she needs to move far away from Ed and his smug, self-righteous attitude. He brings out the worst in her. Honestly, how do these people think they are not going to have their blatant lies exposed? This is 2023, there is social media, lots of sophisticated electronics and eyes all over them as "celebrities;" yet they push the envelope constantly- Michael, Angela, Ed, etc- it's all out there. I don't think André is terrible but man, he needs to shut up now and then and cut his cursing by about 80%. He hasn't learned that people don't respond to swearing rants; they just shut down. Libby seems so acclimated to it that she just sits there with a passive look on her face. Charlie looks like he is tweaking: shaking legs, tossing his head back and forth, and the constant "bro, bro." I can't feel one iota of sympathy for Angie as she moans "I loved him!! I'm broken!" because we all know that even if Michael had pure intentions, she would bully, harass and accuse him of cheating until she drove him into an early grave. She has no idea what love is; she wants to control (and make rules that apply to him but not to her). Does she really think she's sexy? Does she really think that spitting water out on a street corner is appropriate? Does she think she looks prettier with a piercing above her wrinkly old lip? Libby and Yara- you can just take a seat regarding your "careers." Singing in the shower and your husband saying you sound great isn't a career (and what's with the overly trilly, emotional singing? It's almost like yodeling. Stop. It.) Yara, selling cheap crap online isn't a career.

I agree that he shouldn't have lunged toward her, but the "baby" part wasn't really meant as an endearment to Suki IMO; rather, he used the word to sound "cool/hip;" as in "YEAH, baby!!" It failed, and he just looked deranged with the accompanying beady-eyed stare. The guy is 50+, lost 3 wives in a short span of time, has obviously been losing his hair and trying to compensate, and is totally under Robyn's thumb. AND it's all playing out on national TV. He knows he is losing his fans fast, and he is desperate, baby.

I was so, so hoping that when we were forced to watch Kody's heart-wrenching, overwrought soliloquy that the wives, in their little boxes in the corner watching, would laugh or roll their eyes. I mean, c'mon ladies- couldn't you just see the phony indignation, the hair-flipping fake agony, the totally attention-seeking nonsense? Instead, they continue to justify him: "oh, he was being real and very upset;" "he was in so much pain." Also, in rewatching that scene, I again noted that he completely twisted the opening line that we've heard Christine say for years and years now: "I didn't just want the man; I wanted the family." And he yells: "You said you just wanted the man and what *I* could do for *YOU*!!! You never cared about the family!" She needed to correct him then and there, but she didn't. And hey, Kody- when a woman is raising six children (the last of whom you were barely in attendance for the birth since you were busy bedding Robyn) as well as six of her sister wife's children, that's being involved in a family to the nth degree. I doubt that during those years Christine even had time to think about what you could "give" her (other than more babies) because, well- she was a bit busy. Also, Robyn repeatedly saying "Christine doesn't want a relationship with me or my kids" over and over was ridiculous and Christine missed a good opportunity to say, "hey, I have nothing against your children but I don't want to try and forge any further relationship with YOU." It goes without saying that Christine probably won't be seeing much of the K&R kids anymore but she can say "this has nothing to do with your kids." You can bet that line was repeated to Robyn's kids many times after the porch meeting. Do any of us doubt that Meri was a pill from the beginning? I hadn't heard that she and Kody had problems from day 1, but then again we're hearing that from the King of Fibs. But can I see her saying "who put the oranges in the refrigerator?" or "Ugggh, there are dirty dishes in the sink AGAIN." And how funny that Suki knows so little about this family that she was totally SHOCKED hearing that Janelle had left the family for a while? I think she is the only one who didn't know that; yet it was all brand new to her. I am glad that Christine found her way out of the family, but I still get aggravated by her little breathy voice and repeats: "It was harrrd. It was harrrd." I give her credit for not stooping to Kody's tantrum levels of emotion during the family meeting, and I am happy for her that she has a friend in Janelle. (Interesting that Kody can now further blame Christine for "poisoning" Janelle into leaving the marriage as well). I think his mistreatment of Janelle's sons and the fact that her kids are pretty much adults and gone now have given her the courage to get the hell out. Some think she was too passive regarding his Covid protoculls and shutting out Gabe and Garrison; but I think she talked at length with her kids about the situation and waited until she was well-positioned to get out (moved from her rental, made arrangements to move elsewhere, got Savanah out of high school). Good for her.

Actually, I think she misused the phrase that she is his whipping boy; she went on to say "when one of the other wives is angry with Kody, they take it out on me;" which really means she thinks she is THEIR whipping boy. Either way, once again, Robyn is the ultimate victim in all of this.

I agree. I used to think Heather was just the one who didn't want to offend anyone and kind of played both sides to stay good with all the women; this episode proved otherwise. I rewatched it today and was appalled at her changing her tune every time she was on camera re: her black eye. "WE know what happened;" "I don't know what happened;" "I don't want to talk about it." Which one is it, Heather? I'm sure that it was one or two things: she was shitfaced drunk (which we know) and fell in her room (I did the same thing once after getting home from a vacation but I was sober- it was dark and I tripped over the suitcase on the floor)- very possible because she was not in familiar surroundings. OR there was a lot of stupid horsing around (REALLY stupid; who half-naked wrestles with their friends while trashing a vacation property and getting plastered? Are they 15 years old?) and someone elbowed her. I've gotten scratches like the ones on her arm from just having an itchy spot. Purely fabricated, IMO. That said, this franchise (and probably most of the Housewives at this point) has become so ridiculous it's barely watchable. I did watch RHONJ and in the beginning it was kind of fun and the women were more real and relatable. I'm sorry, but going go-karting in 6-inch heels and flowing organza, having costume parties every night of the week (and bossing around the "help" before eventually wrecking everything in sight) is no more "REAL" than watching The Little Mermaid. I can just imagine the producers and directors: "THROW HER SHOES IN THE WATER! SCREAM LOUDER! PUSH HER!!!" while they oblige happily all to get their faces on TV and make a few bucks. And the fact that everything seems to happen while they are soaked in alcohol (which seems to be all day, every day) is just irritating. Anyone noticed that they never really compIiment one another unless it's about their clothing? ("OMG... you look BEAUTIFUL!!!!) I will also add that these women don't live in Salt Lake City; they are mostly in the Park City area which is full of people who are rich, want to be rich, and/or want to be seen. We know a lot of these women aren't as rich as they would like you to believe. And stop it already with the music that all sounds like angels humming and the pan-shots of the temples of SLC as if they are really living as Utahns do. It's ridiculous. (I live here... haha) How about a Real Housewives show with women who aren't mentally ill alcoholics?

I think her hair looks like dry straw, but that's just me.

Someone reference earlier the meaning of the phrase- "skittles" is some sort of British bowling game so the meaning is that life is not just all fun and games, i.e. going out and drinking and bowling.

I remember when they dressed modestly and heaven knows they didn't swear. Now they're like a bunch of drunken sailors.

Oh, right! He can't do his reading with a lamp so impossibly low on the nightstand. Won't do; no sir!

This was filmed before the 2021 holidays. In 2020 (first year of COVID), Robyn and Meri and Kody spent Christmas together; remember Robyn crying that they couldn't be together since Janelle and Christine didn't follow the rules.

Have we ever seen a more consistent deflector and picture ("pitcher") of pure self-centeredness as that of Kody Brown? It's ALL ABOUT HIM, ladies! Do you KNOW what he just went through? A divorce that was a COMPLETE BLINDSIDE? A WIFE who TALKS BEHIND HIS BACK and TURNS HIS KIDS AGAINST HIM?? The awful, agonizing near-death experience of COVID-19??! I couldn't believe he started with his hair-flipping, Shakespearian-like emoting with Janelle, who took a page from Christine's book and very calmly told him, over and over, that he had indeed demanded apologies from his sons before he would deign to associate with them. And what was the reference to "alcoholic families" he used twice? What was the "donkey turning the wheel" analogy, which, apparently is a "compliment to Robyn" because it means she is helping the family to get to the root of their issues? My head was spinning. But what I so, so wished for Janelle to say, she didn't: "Kody, if you are saying you want to start communicating with your sons, then you, as their FATHER, should reach out and make arrangements to talk things out." He loves to put the wives in the middle and make them do his dirty work. Then, of course, it's their fault when things don't go his way (i.e., when he isn't held up as the paragon of fatherly virtue). Meri is getting closer and closer every episode to being about as useful as a cardboard cutout of herself, just sittin' there sayin' nothing and contributing less. And once again, Kody just comes out and says he's trying to get that barnacle of a wife out of his life. Yet, she "keeps trying." Oh, Meri- have thee no dignity?

I have to say that I enjoyed Angela's perplexed reaction to Michael calling her bluff and saying "ok, I'm done. You said I should leave if I don't like your friendship with [Canadian guy]. Her look as she sat, bedraggled and creased and hoarse, in the bed, was priceless. Too bad he took her back though. I definitely didn't need to watch their wriggling lump in the bed after "making up." But wait!!! Angie has another reason to be righteously indignant. "THE GOOFBALLS" are back! And they are such a bad influence! I really did not like watching Liz and her trials. This woman has more issues than the New York Times and they do NOT need to be aired on TLC, nor will they be resolved with a "relationship" with creepy Ed that she desperately wants to appear "stable" for a judge. A young woman who has been through multiple marriages/divorces, and has a young child she has basically no custody rights to is seriously messed up. Add to that the fact that she appears to drink- a lot- and loves to fight and have dramatic scenes over her "relationship" and it's quite frankly a little too dysfunctional to watch. I like Jamal, but his orgasmic excitement over a PS5 brought him down a few notches for me. Why are electronics a means to someone's loyalty on these shows? Yara, yes- you are a grown woman who made a choice to start a family and have a baby. It's not all about you, honey; when you committed to Jovi and had his baby you must have realized that there would be some sacrifices. Of course, now we see that her ulterior motive was to be on TV, try to peddle her "Brand" (whatever that is) and leave Jovi in the dirt. I'm no fan of his, but I'm team Jovi right now. She is a conniving little thing. And no, Jovi- adding another child to the mix is not gonna help you. Yara seems to pawn off the one that you already have any chance she can get.

Quite honestly, Janelle looks more up to hauling firewood or toting water than Kody does. Have we ever seen him actually doing anything physical? He stands in a garage and talks about working out there. He beats his doughy chest before he jumps into a pond of polluted mud. He flusters and mutters and yells as he circles the RV, complaining that it won't level and that it's Janelle's fault. He directs his youngest son to go into a giant dirt pit. He scolds his older sons while they obediently cut wood (or pile it? I don't remember). He's the IDEA GUY, people!

Real estate can't easily be broken up; and there is always the messiness that some kids may want to keep it and others sell it, as well as maintenance, etc. My take is that Janelle wants her share (i.e., her profits from the sale of her Vegas home), to use a portion to build her new modest home, and have a nest egg left over which could grow and be given to her children after she is gone. She was an accountant and provided most of the financial support (and was the chief bookkeeper) for years. She is probably the only one of all of them who has a clue where they stand financially.