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I just noted something interesting: Jennie's comments on IG which eventually got her ousted were concerning; yet remember: Mary made comments about her eyes at the "Pho luncheon" that were also construed as racist and offensive. Possible moral: despite their alleged "wealth" and "status," these women are classless and crude. This was certainly brought home after the past few episodes. Behaving like horrible humans- on CAMERA- for the world to see- is about as low as you can go.

Maybe it's just me, but if I were facing federal charges, putting up million-dollar retainers and crying about "downsizing" (joke), I wouldn't be hiring movers (I'm assuming they are just moving across town), have professional makeup artists for a stupid tequila party and need several people to dress me. Nor would I really want to show up and make small talk with all the people who know damn well I'm facing likely prison time. Also- two of the women consulting their SONS about their choice of dress? Lisa's son telling her "you look so pretty, Mom"-I have two sons and I promise you, I never asked them for fashion advice. So Brooks is gay, but we just don't really want to say it? I mean, we all know it but since the show's inception we've heard Meredith murmur things about his "personal journey" and that she doesn't know about his sexuality- yet the two of them are (uncomfortably) all up in each other seemingly all the time? Whatever; it isn't a big deal, Chest of Armor. And we also don't need to know how "madly in love" she and Seth are because I'm not buying it for one second. He just loves being on TV and they tolerate each other (barely). I was in Park City a few months ago and her shop was closed- in mid-afternoon on a Friday afternoon. Is she so exclusive she can just be open a few select hours a week? Whitney almost had my nod a few episodes ago when she was catching on to the others' games and telling us about it. Then she got into dropping her little info-bombs here and there to stir up trouble... and this week we see her drop any shred of dignity to parade around in a chintzy bit of lingerie and supposedly rekindle her romance with her husband- who, by the way, looked as if he would rather be anywhere than in front of a camera drinking champagne out of her bolt-ons and smearing himself with black paint. (I watched her spread the sheet on the white rug and thought "nooo! You're ruining the rug!") As a side note, their house looks so frumpily decorated. Maybe she moved in to his house that he and his wife bought in 1988 after she broke up their marriage.

Darcey cannot speak around those horrible fake teeth. She is so happy with the proposal, because all she wants (and thinks matters) are scenes in her life that mimic romance novels. The scene of the twins sitting at breakfast was scary- without makeup they look worse.

Janelle also said she has to be careful not to "take sides," which implies to me that she is in contact with Christine regularly, which gave me a smile. I agree that Janelle is settling by staying and keeping rather neutral- but if she is content where she is (she has a house, her kids are all doing well, she gardens and putters around in her RV at Coyote Pass), then who am I to judge? Kody has no capacity for introspection at all. Every response is an angry defensive complaint. He is really going to talk about how hard he worked to make his relationship with Christine work? But then he can't help himself and says things like "she had been complaining since we moved to Las Vegas," or that he felt "a balloon rising" when he realized he had been kicked out of her house. Meri, Meri- how can you talk about "putting a mirror in front of yourself and really figure out what you need to change" when you have never- not once- admitted that YOU were completely ready to leave the family for a fake boyfriend who seduced you online? What was Robyn saying about "we continue to be one big family" or whatever when it's all disintegrating around you? I am fascinated- FASCINATED, I tell you- at her physical transformation over the past ten years. She has aged several decades, has a permanent sour expression and is the picture of what unhealthy living and chronic negativity and stress can do to a person physically.

They showed a clip this week that I'm presuming was "never before seen" of them standing near the hotel elevator in their wedding garb, so probably sometime before or after the reception. He said that he had a rescue dog. Not sure where anyone heard that he "got" a dog after the show.

In my opinion, it's because more and more younger people are pursuing careers and seeking fun before settling down, which often puts them well into their 30s before they marry and consider children. I think the parenting instinct is strong and can be translated onto pets, both as a way to fulfill that instinct as well as to be a "practice" for the real thing. All of my kids have had pets that are like children to them: son had 2 dogs (now has 2 kids); daughter has 3 cats and a dog (expecting first baby), and son who has been in a committed relationship for a few years and- they just got a dog (not ready for marriage or kids yet).

I got a Tootsie vibe.

Ohh, Pastor Cal - you had an opportunity to get straight to the point with Alyssa and you BLEW IT! Alyssa, here is a list of things to think about: -just being in the same geographical location (and not flying home) does NOT constitute "putting your all into it" -telling producers you hate your new husband and calling him an asshole is NOT trying hard. Nor is placing producers between you and asking them to speak on your behalf -Refusing to stay in a room with Chris, refusing to talk to him, and then accusing him of being unkind is all kinds of f*$&%ed up. -saying "I'm a nice person!" 50 times does NOT make you a nice person. Quite the opposite, as we have seen. The only thing- only thing! - she said that had any meat to it was that she saw he posted something about defunding the police, which she disagreed with. I get that; but hey- you didn't open a discussion about it or delve into anything regarding beliefs and morals, yet you decide that is a deal-breaker? Oh right- I forgot about his dog. Lindsey- she makes me nervous with her overbearing personality and showy virtuous behavior ("we gotta throw the Keurig away; too much plastic.") Mark looks as if he himself is being chased by a shark- his eyes are popping out of his head all the time. I don't know why he went around and around instead of saying "hey, I like to mull my problems over a bit and figure things out myself- can you give me some space and I'll let you know if I need your advice"? She was kind of right about the run-on sentence. He could have also told her that she showed aggressive behavior on the plane that made him uncomfortable. He kind of did- but I honestly think it didn't bother him that much until he discussed it with the guys, and realized that they thought she had been way out of line. The other 3 couples are boring to me. O wants a traditional wife, ok. Michael seems broody and apparently "yells" off camera. Noi insists on 3 children. Whatever. *PETTY ANNOYANCE OF THE WEEK*: ladies, please invest in some good waterproof makeup and stop the skyward eye rolls and dabbing underneath your eyes when you cry, which you inevitably will if you enroll in this nonsense. Watching Alyssa and her "remorse" over being dumped was making me crazy.

I think Chris needs to be even more direct and say, "I went into this to give it a shot and would really like to try; Alyssa has not been clear in her intentions and she needs to make the decision. If she wants to stay and really give it a go, I will; otherwise she needs to be the one to say it's over."

Oh, my- where to begin. These women exhaust me. How many times did I hear "I HAVE YOUR BACK!" "YOU DON'T HAVE MY BACK!"? Also, who really gives a shit if the memorial service was Monday or Tuesday. As others have said, if I go away 3 days for a wedding, funeral or shower, I'm "at the event" for the duration of my trip. This show is dredging at this point for something for these women to scream about. They are all guilty of one major fault: bringing up stuff that does not need to be brought up- EVER. Example: Whitney saying "well, the question came up by Lisa, that maybe you didn't have a memorial service for your dad...??" What is the point? None, except to incite more drama and fighting. Meredith, if you are truly "DONE," then don't exit only to return 5 minutes later to start arguing all over again. Don't act as if you are the perfect example of morality, only to scream, whine and prolong the fight by inviting your "friends" over to rehash it all yet again. Lisa sure turned from "I really wish Meredith had my back more," (sniffle sniffle) to calling her every name in the book and venting major shit about her while mic'd just a few minutes later. And anyone who yells "I AM A GOOD PERSON AND I'M NICE TO EVERYONE" kind of indicates to me that you probably aren't. Heather provides a lot of funny narrative and seems like she would be a hoot on a girls' trip, but I would never, ever trust her with anything. She absorbs everyone's stories like a sponge and then has no hesitation about turning around and spilling it or gossiping the opposite side. Her empathy is phony, because she is all about the tea. Meredith's track suit (I'm sure a Brooks Marks limited edition) was laughable. Mary had her BM wear on too- twice in two days, which is funny right there. Heather- your block-shaped torso was not made for skin exposure and a sports bra outside of your home. Whitney, you need to reconsider your alcohol intake if you were so drunk last night that you don't remember half of what was said. Jen Shah- thank you for not dissolving into your wailing, self-pitying persona during the final day. Love how she gave the women diamond snowflake necklaces when she is facing financial ruin and needs to "downsize" to a home that's probably double the size of mine. I loved seeing the women without makeup- they look so... normal! Seth is disgusting and I can't stand when he is on camera. Mary is the queen of deflection- "you don't know me." Muttering insults under her breath. Acting as if she cares when Meredith storms off. Making a scene of riding home separately from the other women. Happy crying when her parishioner says she is the "best dresser" (that's the thing that got the congregation excited?). Mary has a social disorder- she cannot relate to other women at all, and when she painfully pretends to care about anything or anyone but herself, she cracks and we see her true, ugly personality.

In one of the earlier seasons, she was studying for her Realtor's license with Janelle, and was clearly overwhelmed and ultimately failed the exam- after becoming very rattled to find out that she would have to work weekends! and evenings! -I think she seems kind but in a naive, not-too-smart sort of way. That's why I think she presents as the breathy, sweet, whispery type- because she didn't contribute monetarily, knew she was second- or third-fiddle wife most of the time, and was "expected" to stay home and watch a dozen kids. I don't dislike her, but I think she definitely has a character she's become comfortable playing. Robyn found the perfect way to introduce her victim role- "it makes me mad" that the others think that she is top bitch; Janelle's sons asked *her* why they couldn't get together; she's "an easy target" for blame. And boy, it's obvious she has hammered that into Kody from the day she "married" him. Kody seems to have no problem with his broken relationships with his sons and his role in that rift. In fact, he seems to just double down in his assertion that they don't obey him, they don't respect him and they refused to follow his rules. But still, despite his assertion that they should all shove off at the age of 18 and fend for themselves, he bought all the land at Coyote Pass so "all my children would want to be there." Well, Kody, you screwed that one up. At last count, the majority of your adult children have headed as far away from you as they can.

These women don't understand that not everything in life has to be staged. It's like they set themselves up for disappointment ahead of time: "we are going to spend QUALITY TIME with FAMILY on the beach. Everyone is going to have fun and we are getting to know each other; we are working on our 'relashhh-ships;" I want Georgi to show me that he really cares to make this work," etc. Then inevitably, something happens and they're all sad. I find it fascinating that anytime Darcey talks about Georgi, or someone else points something out about him, the camera cuts to Stacey nodding her head and rolling her eyes. Yet Stacey just "really wants Darcey to be happy and not get hurt." I'm not so sure about that. The entire Michael scene was soooo stupid. How many times are people on these shows going to confront and grill the boyfriend/girlfriend? It's none of his business, whether or not he considers them "queens" and he is their "brother." Back off and shut up. I give Georgi credit for finally telling Darcey, "you never defend me; all you do is shit-talk about me behind my back." I was laughing at the "models" gushing about how much they love D&S and what fun they had at their audition! Of course, because you want a job! Bottom line: they are all exhausting, annoying fame-whores. Edited to add: Darcey can barely talk around her big, thick veneers. I am ok with veneers that have some semblance to real teeth, but no one's teeth are that blindingly white and look like a solid bar across the person's mouth. AND- dragging the teens into the whole TV mess is, although expected, awful and might cause me not to waste an hour of my life every week anymore. They are NOT models, they DON'T care about their mother, aunt or the business as much as they act like they do, and Aniko's totally scripted dragging of Georgi and subsequent gloating about it to her cousin "Ray-Ray" was dumb.

I've gotta say that I've never had so many changes of opinion throughout the season as I have on this one. Gino and Jasmine: at first he is portrayed as the aw-shucks, stumblebum who is a little touched in the head but just wants some love. She is the hot-headed, jealous crazy girlfriend who doesn't trust him picking up a pizza. Now I think he is a cruel and thoughtless asshole who smirks while she cries at his betrayal. Yes, she turned on the ex who sent the pictures (I get that maybe the ex was trying to warn/protect Jasmine) but I could see she was truly hurt and that his actions were unexpected. He has no capability for empathy, as evidenced by his flat affect yet concealed excitement at her reactions. Ximena and Mike: I know she has milked him for her rent, support for her children and whatever else, but I do also see that she views him as a way out of poverty- which most Americans frown on but again, we can't understand what it's like to live in the conditions she presumably has. She is trying to make the best of a dreary situation; still, based on the previews, she is starting to push her advantage. Ben and Mahogany: we are reliving leather trenchcoat guy and his Ukranian ghost girlfriend (I forgot their names). He is creepy and I cannot stop looking at his droopy eye. I was cringing at the "poem," and noted that Ben compensates for his lack of insight and neglect of his family by focusing on his physical appearance ("my feet are my worst feature.") Believe me, your feet are the least of your worries. Hamza and Memphis: can anyone really call someone the "love of their life" based on Elmo-speak and flashing each other on FaceTime calls? And minor irritant: I can't stand when people pronounce it as "pre-nup-shoo-al" agreement. She has complained about his honestly, his financial situation, that he doesn't seem happy, that he was way too fast during sex, about the prenup, that "everything be 50/50" (my guess is that he has no idea what that means). But whyyyyy isn't he haaapppyyy? Alina and Cah-leb: while I still think he is basically a navel-gazing, selfish guy who pontificates way too much and says in 200 words what could be said in 20, I applaud his being forthright in saying that he isn't sure he wants to be a caregiver for a life partner. Face it, most people would skirt around the issue but it is a HUGE aspect of committing to a person with her disability. She needs to be carried or wheeled a good part of the time. Her limitations are not minimal. Not sure of her reproductive limitations, but I do know (based on what I've read) that orthopedic problems and limited lifespan are definite considerations in those with her type of dwarfism. Cah-leb admits that he likes to travel and do physical activities. It's appropriate for him to think about whether he can compromise given her physical limitations. So he gets a nod from me. Besides, she should not feel entitled to demand a commitment from him after a week or so vacationing together. Yes, you've corresponded for many years. But that is not equivalent to having a mature, adult relationship where you are interacting in person regularly. Alina- back off. Missing the shameless begging for sex from Kimbah-lee this week, as well as the pathetic Ella who is living out her cartoon fantasy of being with Johnny, who has a family to support while he navigates COVID, being unemployed and trying to see his young son throughout it all.

Did I miss something? Alyssa had dental work done? Omg, these families! I hate the morning after family brunch convo's and the wedding reception convo's. So what can you tell me about my new husband that I just met 5 minutes ago? Is there anything I should know? Someone (maybe Noi?) made the comment to Steve's family: ""we're in such a good place right now!" Umm, how can you say that after 28 hours of knowing the guy? Or say "he's so perfect!!!" Conversely, Alyssa saying "I expected to get someone who was perfect for me and I didn't get it" just sounds stupid and shallow. These people aren't middle-schoolers; they do realize it takes time to really get to know someone, right?

I just watched the "afterparty" and - surprise! - when confronted, Alyssa dabbed her eyes and walked off the set. I love the new (NOT Jamie O) host- she drilled right down and said, "hey, if you want things kept secret and don't want to be honest, why are you on the show?" ACE couldn't handle that and stomped off.

I think, first and foremost, was that he didn't have the teeth she desired. They quoted her (twice, if I recall) saying "If he has a snaggle tooth I'm out!"- and then during the ceremony the camera zoomed in on his teeth. Which I thought was awful. Then his friends (if you can call them that) described him as condescending, and that he "wants to teach you something" when he gets like that. And she was off and running. I was shocked when she ranted about how none of their goals, hobbies, interests, etc were the same. How could she know? They spent all of 3 minutes together. I am a little confused about the "plane fight" and the whole insistence by Lindsey to speak Spanish in Puerto Rico. Seemed like two different stories. I find it hard to believe that O would really puff his chest up and act like he was going to physically fight her- and her "I didn't feel safe" comment to me was eyeroll-worthy. Steve: "we'll have to have a discussion about if- or when- I decide to get a full-time job." Uhh, you just got married and have a responsibility to your new wife and to contribute to your expenses. It's not an option to be able to help with bills and expenses.

Well, there you have the essence of Kody: it's all posturing and blah blah blah which means absolutely nothing when it comes down to it. Truely is very sick? Eh, no big deal. Ysabel needs major surgery? Count him out; too dangerous. Janelle's mother (and also his "second mom" and mother in law) dies? Sure hope I don't catch Covid there. And if there was ever a moment where, COVID be damned (especially because Kody is So Careful!), he should have hugged his hurting son- he doesn't. He isn't empathetic, or sorry, or regretful that he didn't see his family or explain his rules- he's ANGRY that anyone question him! EVER! So who wins? ROBYN, because she listens to him and obeys! As everything unravels, Kody spins frantically trying to justify his horrible mismanagement of the family. He and Robyn make a great pair; I'm sure they (to use their lingo) are sittin' there talkin' about how uncompliant and selfish the rest of the family are, while their brood sit dejectedly in their 80s style terrifying mansion and pat themselves on the back as to their willingness to "follow the protoculls." As for Robyn saying Ari can't handle Kody being gone more than two days: I'm sure it goes like this starting at hour 36: "ARI, don't you MISS your daddy? Are you sad? Huh? Are you gonna cry? Poor baby!!" Robyn is the kind of mom who will accompany her sons to prom and hold her daughters tightly and rock them when they get their periods and are feeling crampy. On a more petty note: I want Gabe's hair. And I feel for the kids because I think they are all unhealthy looking - especially the girls, who are all overweight (with the exception of Gwen and Ysabel)- they seem to eat a lot of starchy, crappy stuff. I like to look at their old shows and see the abundance of tater tots, corn and bread at their family feasts (alas, that won't be happening soon). I'm sure that with two of the four wives considering defection at this point, Meri will be on standby to provide plenty of Rice Krispie treats for Kody and his paunch.

Meri: (loosely quoting): "I feel bad that Janelle and Christine didn't find it important enough to spend Thanksgiving with this part of the family." Meri (2 minutes later): "I could have chosen to spend Thanksgiving with my mom or Mariah, but I made a decision to be with Robyn and her family." OHHH this made me mad. So Meri, you're saying that you had to make a choice? That's what Janelle and Christine did, and you are now maligning them for it? I see you- you decided that your mother (who now, in retrospect, you probably should have spent the holiday with) is less important than sucking up to Kody for his scraps (I can just imagine Meri thinking, "If I show Kody how much I love his preferred children with Robyn; if I am the sweetest 'other mom' in the plant; if I make him his *tee-hee* favorite rice krispie treats and make a cute turkey out of it- how clever!- maybe he will come and spend time with meeee!" Gross. And Robyn, please stop projecting all of your neurotic, emotion-ridden baggage on your children. All the crying, wailing and overdramatic responses to Meri's arrival at Robyn's house must have been encouraged and cheered on by Robyn. And I don't like to comment on the kids, but Ariella has the most bizarre hair I've ever seen on a 4-year old. AND she is still using a pacifier? Robyn, you're strangling those kids with the apron strings.

So Whitney and her husband, who live like multimillionaires (plastic surgery, designer clothing and shoes, trips, lavish parties, etc) spent their LIFE SAVINGS on her rebranding and that was to the tune of $300k? He's much older than she is- I'd imagine well into his 50s- and that's all they had saved? That's a little nerve-wracking if you ask me. He must have had to pay off his previous wife quite handsomely.

what was this?

I disagree here. This was filmed around November 2020; by that time, wiping down mail and groceries was not considered helpful or preventative.

Kody needs to be reminded there is no "I" in polygamy. This episode was so full of "I made so many sacrifices;" "I followed all the rules;" "She is giving up being with ME for her kids;" "I want you to..." My impressions: Kody: malignant anger and resentment of everyone Meri: drunk/on something (to blunt the misery of being in this family- but Meri, stop groveling for Kody's affection and acting like wanting to be sloppy 4ths is okay. It's super uncomfortable and I'm embarrassed for you watching) Robyn: lying liar. Janelle: sees things for what they are. Kody is a hypocrite and she knows it. Christine: done, done, done.

Yes, this. There was no mention of fundamentalism or religion.

Probably not; as I recall Truely's kidney failure was due to a viral infection that went too long before it was treated. She was likely very dehydrated. Very preventable. She was really young (3?) and they were able to restore kidney function to normal. As for the "Ariella had RSV once," I would say that's a non-issue as well: acute, self-limiting illness that she recovered from. RSV *can* be dangerous and has resulted in children dying and hospitalized; however it tends to be endemic among small children (my grandkids have had it, as have most kids who attend daycare).

Honestly, I think Janelle is the type who really doesn't have much sexual interest in a husband; he fathered her (great) kids, they seem to be able to communicate without tension, and between them they provided the bulk of financial support of the family in the early years. She worked and her kids were provided for by Christine; now that they are older Janelle is just hanging out, doing whatever she does (gardening? living in a camper? fishing?) Her kids are launched, and she has the (minimal) amount of contact with Kody as she needs. Seems to work for her.