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Seemed pretty straightforward to me. She was on the street with her friends and a guy pushed past her (iow, maybe could have not touched her but intentionally shoved against her) and made a comment that Sophie didn't repeat to her mother. He was wearing a tee-shirt in support of ATM's neo Nazi anchor with a quote from the guy on it. Kids at school started an anti-ATN thing to show support of her, but she can't just feel good about the support because it's her family's - especially her father's - network. Then Kendall cut in asking exactly the wrong questions, acting like the problem was that his daughter was on the street or her mother wasn't there when it happened, trying to turn it into an "incident" he could take action on instead of owning the fact that his business model affects real people including the bi-racial child he presumably adopted. ETA: It's like Rava and Sophie have to make a case for why Kendall should care about this while Kendall gets to pretend he's too unfamiliar with racism to understand it on his own.

Yes, I thought it was the same kid. Ironically, his father seemed to be doing a great job raising him to be kind even in the face of John hitting him!

Playing drunk can be hard to do , and she really nailed the level Sally was at. I agree, I thought a lot of the episode was really funny. I once heard Bill Hader doing a sort of impression of his father, and I feel like he pulls from that a bit in this episode. Not that his father was like Barry, but the authentic Dad-type voice really sells it.

Ooh! I never even thought about it from that perspective but that makes perfect sense!

Yes, it seemed like a fantasy at the end of the last ep because of the context, but once this ep started and they were there, I couldn't imagine the show going backwards because it would totally go against the way the show works, where the fantasyis almost always better than the reality. Of course, in a way Barry is living a fantasy--one where the frozen pot pie right in front of him isn't still frozen. (It's funny this is happening the same week another show did have a fantasy fake out that made some angry, though in that case, imo, the fantasy was totally in keeping with that show that's often about how subjective experiences shape reality.)

I'm so impressed every time I think of that story, the way it comes out of nowhere. You've gotten used to the pen just being there and then it's just a dumb coincidence when they find it, and it's both funny and terrifying for Martha--agreed on her performance. Plus it sets the ball rolling on so many revelations to come!

"Did you speak any English at all when you came here?" was one of the all-time best RHW moments ever.

That is, Jon Hamm made Bridesmaid, but Don Draper made the famous Hilltop ad in the show. He basically did the thing Peggy was dreaming about for her career.

Now I'm worried too! But one lucky thing is that we know that Misty went on this road trip on purpose, unlike Tai and Natalie, so she would have definitely made arrangements for Caligula. I had 3 different parakeets as a child and each one died within a week. I've stayed away from birds ever since since I'm apparently the angel of death of birds. Or else my room had a draft.

I definitely accept both of these ideas. Especially Sammy having Steve. They need each other!

Well, she smoked a lot, she had often questioned the idea of getting old and her own mother died at the opening of the show, and it made Don look at his life and choices is my guess. I think it was worth just for her "Your not being here is normal." No, he returned to NYC and made the Hilltop ad that we saw.

Logan knew about it at the time, and though he couldn't back her up she could also say he knew about them. But she also has pictures probably with timestamps. He can't take credit for it either, to be fair. It was already an expression--and definitely applies to the Roys. That's what I thought too--I thought it was pretty clear, despite Rava not having all the details. Kendall wanted it to be a single incident he could deal with in one blow and naturally doesn't want to deal with the murkier, larger ripples that come from things his family does.

Not speaking from experience, but I would think a bird would be fine in a cage with food and water. Tai's the only one with dependents--Sammy who's other is in the hospital (I think he's with Simone's parents) and...WHAT ABOUT STEVE??

I don't think it's supposed to be that her voice is that great a la Susan Boyle in BGT. It's more that she can put over a song with emotion. One of the things I loved in this ep was how voice lessons are such therapy for Sam, not just in terms of the teacher saying things to her, but that she's such a closed off person, but when she sings she's vulnerable. Like the say, you're always yourself when you sing, even if you're playing a character.

I think in S1 they referenced having a plan where Shiv would be the power behind Tom or something like that, presumably because she thought she couldn't hold as much power as a woman. But then Logan dangled the idea that he might pick her in front of her.

It means Lottie gave her landscaper specific instructions! She's 15 or 16, iirc. There's several clear references to her being in high school--and not yet a senior either. Yes, I know that newborns on TV, if they're using a real baby, is always too old and big, but they seemed to be shoving it in our face as a clue that of course this wasn't the baby she just had. Callie was definitely bluffing. But my god, what is Shauna's and everyone's problem with not listening to Misty's simple advice on this? None of them had to talk to the police at all. She wrote it right there on the cookie!!

Shout out to another great line: I'm about to shit in your husband's mouth and I'm pretty sure he's going to tell me it tastes like coq au vin! If it's really close a block of voters on election day could mean something, I'm sure. But more important for us is the symbolism of the thing - Go Willa! I'm sure she would have put a stop to Connor's idea about North Korea too. LOL> She was not going to find another super rich guy who wanted to marry an escort and agree to her terms. And yet, he knows the Pierces. He's been in the position of being the new money. So sad that he's trying to throw that around because he's insecure about people who've earned their place by actually doing something. I'd have to watch it again to remember, but my impression was that as a mother talking about a delicate situation that her daughter had been going through that her dad was partly guilty in--especially the part about what happened on the street that Rava didn't see and couldn't get all the details about--she was approaching the situation expecting him to listen like a parent and not as a hot shot businessman who needed her to just give him bulletpoints so he could "take action." And Kendall kept cutting in with stuff from that pov, like saying she was pushed on the street rather than someone pushed by her, and asking weird questions like "Why was she on the street?" as if his daughter wasn't an independent human being with her own life who's old enough to be outside. This wasn't something she could spit out because she didn't know the details and it was actually bigger than that one incident. Also, re: Greg's impressing the Swedes with his firing, remember they had no idea what he meant by saying he fired people. He didn't explain he read a statement prepared by Tom to a bunch of people picked by Tom over zoom.

I thought maybe the idea was that Barry was giving John the things he, Barry, thought he needed, and that had turned into him mistaking his own needs for John. So he was going out of his way to learn about Lincoln which was his new obsession, telling himself it was for John. But meanwhile John's right there with a more than reasonable request and he just forgot about it because it didn't penetrate his mind. I notice when Sally asked about homeschooling (I admit I laughed out loud when she just drank while Barry talked before breaking in to ask about dinner) she asked something like "What are you learning?" instead of "What are you teaching him?" as Barry corrected her.

And whatever the reason, finally somebody doing something that might actually keep the white supremist from being president. Kendall's pushing him to do the opposite despite what happened to his daughter. Yes, bit speech about how much he wants to protect them and somehow winds up suggesting everything he's doing, some of which he just learned hurts his kid, he's actually doing for them. Does anybody think he called her? I don't. Don't think Reva's surprised about it either.

Wow, that was riveting! I'm always happy to see Rava, and it seemed like this ep brought up all the Roys' non-Roy person and showed how they lost them--all but Connor. His line about listening to the only person in the room who took him seriously really nailed it. Meanwhile, Roman couldn't just call backsies with Geri, Kendall turned news of his daughter being threatened by Nazis on the street into how he was making the world a better place (she's lucky to have her classmates' support) and Shiv had...that. Greg is the most ridiculous hatchet man ever. Seems fitting.

Maybe I'm just not really understanding where you're coming from? I mean, of course there are obvious similarities in the two planecrash shows, but it seemed like there was some real connection or copying being suggested while to me that seemed like giving superificially similar things more weight than the heart of the shows. LIke: The smoke in Lost was a CGI creation moving in a way that defied physics that signalled sci-fi. The wind that knocked the snow of the tree was wind with a camera angle that suggested animism. Locke was a paralyzed man who was simply cured once he landed on the mysterious island. Coach Ben, Van and Shauna had medical emergencies and got medical treatment. Lost used flashbacks to build characterization and hint at a larger reasons why they were on the island. YJ has two parallel storieout the same people in different timelines. I feel like Finding Nemo and Taken might have more in common underneath their superficial similarities than these two, despite also being different genres. To bring it back to this ep, both shows have pregnant women who give birth after the crash--a pretty obvious storyline in this kind of situation--but with very different meanings. MMV, but I don't think the main reason for it was for us to gain sympathy. It have a story where Shauna opened herself up to fully loving a baby once and how that had affected her feelings about motherhood later on, and how those feelings kept evolving. If she'd just lost the baby it would have been more of a horrible health crisis she went through that dealt with pregnancy and birth without a mother and child. When she remembers that time (if she ever thinks about it) she's remembering the living baby she had and lost. The more I think about this ep, the more I wonder what it's going to mean for Ben. People often predict his death from uselessness and his authority has been fading fast from day 1, but the crisis he went through in this ep was so different from the one everyone else went through. I think there's a moment where Ben and Javi are standing together. Last week we saw Javi only speaking to Ben and people thought maybe they were connected as sort of pure because they were the two who hadn't engaged in cannibalism, but I wondered if in this ep Ben was with him because he and Javi, the actual child, dealt with the situation the same way, but turning away. (Or in Ben's case, running.)

It was supposed to be overly complicated and shocking and yet already guessed, it seems, usually. But Lost had a smoke monster and a man healed of paralysis in the pilot, later moving on to to actual time travel etc.

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One thing that seems important about this too, is I don't think they're going to explain things in banal or realistic terms, because that wouldn't work either. It would seem contrived to lay out some explanation of everything via psychology or iron in the ground or something like that. The show's obviously intentionally presented the supernatural explanation as reasonable to the point where going too far in the other direction would feel completely false.

YMMV, of course, but that's how coincidences work. You remember ones that were eerie and forget or wave off anything that wasn't, which is exactly what the survivors are going to do. Religious people do this all the time even in the regular world, often insisting there's no possible way it could have happened without a miracle when it totally could have. Or even without religion people often look at the steps that got them to where they were and think they seem too unlikely to be random. I will say that I think something like Lottie seeing something as specific as a deer with its antlers' shedding that then shows up exactly that way suggests ESP could objectively happen in this world even without being consistent. Other things are more murky. She felt Javi was alive and the baby would be a boy (50/50, but Javi was a stretch), but she also seemed to expect the baby to live. She herself as a character was able to decide none of it was real. But it seems like some people already thought Lottie had a second sight before they crashed without considering it supernatural.