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They are in the process of getting info about Gracie potentially being a carrier of MD, right? So Leah doesn't really know or understand about the odds of having another child with the disease or who will be a carrier. Great idea, to have yet another baby!

Really, I'm still taking this in. Do you suppose she'll eventually take the position that we're all supposed to admire her cuz it would have been so much easier if she'd just had an abortion and kept the whole thing quiet? So she's actually a role model and hero for having the courage to face the haters and have the baby anyhow? Even though she just spent so much time and effort telling everybody (including her husband) she didn't want another baby? Maybe ever? I am thinking about the feelings of this child, years hence, watching this program, realizing the circumstances of his/her conception. Do none of these people ever give a thought to the feelings of these children? It is stunning to me.

There has been an element of desperation in Kail since before Javi left for his deployment, like she could just *barely* wait for him to be gone. It's my theory that she's been maneuvering with this other guy for a long time. Getting knocked up threw a real monkey wrench into her plans. The trip to Hawaii was some kind of turning point, I think, having to do with the new dick. When she came back and announced she was willing to reconsider things with Javi (which was the absolute height of insincerity), it confirmed to me that something was not going according to plan. I have been figuring the new guy gave her the cold shoulder (or some equivalent) during the trip of Hawaii, and she came back with her tail between her legs. Maybe he told her he needed some "space" or that he wants to "take things slow." Maybe the trip was to tell him she was pregnant, but instead of being happy, he said he wasn't ready to be a father. So she had to decide how to spin this whole thing, and when she skyped in, Nessa asked her if this was planned and she said it was "a choice," what she meant was, she decided to roll the dice with the guy, keep the baby, which meant having to fess up to having cheated on Javi. Hoping in time the new dick would get on board. She has probably now had to tell the new dick the famous line, "Well, I'm keeping this baby, you can be involved in our lives or not." You can't trap someone into marriage when you're already married to someone else, but the baby is a way to keep the guy on a leash, whether they're married or not - as she has seen clearly with Jo. She had just made a huge stink about not wanting more children with Javi. She had just claimed to be so traumatized by a miscarriage that the thought of another baby was too much. Now, a few months later, she is pregnant and "it's a choice." Her new sex toy body looks fucked up and weird now. Since getting back from that trip, she looks swollen with bulges in strange places, her clothes look awful, her hair constantly looks dirty, she is angry 100% of the time, and the pretending is wearing thin. She's got no moral high ground. She has a son that calls her puta. She has the scorn and derision of Javi's entire family on her. She cheated on her deployed husband, no matter how she tries to fiddle the timeline. All the bragging about finishing school, talk about her big career, this was all just window-dressing when what she wanted was this other guy. Or guys. Who knows, there may be more than one. Kail is addicted to chasing dick, the same as if this was a drug.

The solution to this starvation problem is very simple: the producers need to choose a location with more food resources. It's a matter of research and planning. Most of these people seem to expect to be able to find game or fish -- they have skills and weapons and fishing lines or nets, they build their fish traps and set their snares -- none of it does any good if the animals or fish are not there.

When you see little Kaiser Roll light up and laugh, he is so sweet-natured and affectionate, you just want to pick him up and squeeze him. He throws a little temper tantrum, then he gets over it. Nathan was probably like that as a child, and it makes me sad to see how damaged he is. He still has that sweetness but it's sandwiched in with so much other stuff, whether head trauma, PTSD, steroid abuse, or all of the above. Then add Jenelle. One thing I am pretty sure of. Kaiser did not inherit his sweet nature from his mother. All his life, Jace will always know he was the son she gave away. Even if that is the luckiest thing that ever happened to him. I sincerely hope he is intelligent enough to know he was the lucky one. I used to worry that Jace was growing up to be a little hellion, but he has seemed really calm and sensible the last season or so. He enjoys his activities and has friends at school just like a normal kid. He has so much to overcome. Barb seems to be doing a really good job with him. Kaiser Roll's cheerful nature may help him overcome the many disadvantages he'll face growing up in Jenelle's home; I hope so. Remember how neglected he's been, just tossed in his crib with a bottle and left to cry -- and yet he seems really happy, not anxious or fearful. He may be resilient enough to withstand the mountains of shit all around him.

The thing is, we have seen Leah working hard to project an image for the cameras, to the extent of buying veggie/dip trays to shove into their hands. But even when she is trying, she still can't manage to actually do it. It's all for show. You know the minute the cameras are gone, she's on her phone and the kids are free-range grazing off the carpet again. My sister taught herself how to cook when she had kids, and she always had nice meals for them. But (speaking of crockpots) one time she had a beef stew in a crockpot, and her three-year-old tugged on the power cord and pulled the whole mess down onto himself. He had 3rd degree burns on his arm. Our grandmother and her mother-in-law blamed her for being careless, but she was literally standing right there, looked away for just a moment, when he reached up and yanked it. Kids are fast. And shit happens!

I am one of those people too. For whatever reason, my mother and grandmother chased us out of the kitchen when we were growing up. I was a snotty little brat and had no interest in household skills, so I never bothered to learn. I never had children and I always worked long hours, so I can open cans and make simple meals, but I do a lot of take-out or pre-packaged foods. (What is bizarre about this: I love to watch cooking shows. I admire people who can cook or bake. It's like alchemy or magic to me, to dump stuff together and get this magnificent meal. The thought of trying to do that myself overwhelms me. I don't know why.) What I observed in my friends over the years is that my women friends had to learn to cook when they became parents. It became second nature to them very quickly, because they HAD to. Because they wanted to be responsible parents. So whether they saw it as kids or bought a recipe book or just adapted to the new demands of parenthood, they learned what they needed to know. This is what Leah has not done. Leah is a perpetual pre-teen.

I don't mean to be making excuses for her. I just think it's very likely she grew up in a chaos house, so she thinks chaos is normal.

I think a lot of women cook the way their own mothers cook. I would bet dollars to donuts that Dawn did not have Leah in the kitchen growing up, happily baking pies or trying new recipes together. Maybe Dawn plopped cold canned food in front of her kids all the time, so Leah thinks it's normal. (I'm trying to think of any food that I would eat straight from the can unheated. Pork and beans maybe?) With Kail it's probably same thing and I suspect also Jenelle. Leah has no concept of planning a meal, shopping for it, organizing the kitchen, and timing everything to be ready together. NO CONCEPT. Motherhood in general, running a household, getting bills paid on time, planning ahead (meals, passports, schools), organizing activities -- it all just seems to be too much for Leah. Last week she burst into tears because the school might not be open in time for classes to start. She broke down crying about it. smdh

So if this is what the show becomes, next year's applicants will all be overweight and it will become a show about who can starve the slowest.

I am not interested in watching a show about people starving, and I don't think that's what this show wants to be. With a little effort, the producers should be able to find a location that can provide adequate food to skilled survivalists. With all the locations in the world, pick one where at the very least there might be small game animals around, birds, fish, etc.

I bet the doctors are instructed NOT to give warnings to people as their physical condition deteriorates. It would constitute interference. They have to draw a line, watch the person approach it, and then when the person has already crossed it, pull them. That means going in for medical checks knowing the person is approaching a critical point without ever having said anything about it -- right up until the day you must pull them. So imagine if they had warned Dave. He would have changed strategies and eaten his backlog of fish and maybe won. Part of the show is the person's strategy. Dave's strategy did not work. I found it a bit fishy that on the same day Carleigh was pulled, they were also obviously worried about Fowler too. They told us Carleigh's BMI, but they didn't tell us Fowler's. Why not? I also find the reunion shows frustrating and boring. The last episode also featured a ton of flashback clips. I wish they would let us send in questions, cuz I'd have a ton. I was glad Fowler won. He seems like a really great guy. I would have been happy with Carleigh winning too. If I was Fowler, I'd give her $10,000 just as a consolation prize.

Well, to me it was more about her than her victim. Anybody that talks that way to another person is just not somebody I want to know. Even if he deserved it. But yymv.

The majority of this show now seems to consist of people asking children, "Are you excited about ____?" SUCH A BORE.

Laurel is a disgusting person. I'll never forget her vicious attack on Eric, one of the sweetest people ever on this show. I can't bear to see her on my TV. I know she apologized, but really she showed her true colors. There is a lot of ugliness inside that person.

This is my guess. Very early on, there was someone else, someone she considered unattainable, and so she settled for Javi cuz he was convenient and was tolerable most of the time. Then when they got married "on paper" she realized he was actually intolerable. Her indifference transformed into disgust. By the time of their "for show" wedding, she could barely look him in the eye. Then everything changed when this unattainable guy suddenly became attainable. Every bone in her body was telling her to grab him quick, lock him down -- but she had to keep up appearances for MTV's sake (and her fans), so she was incredibly grateful when Javi got deployed. Once he was gone, she could throw herself into the pursuit of this Perfect Man. Cosmetic surgery and all. She's got him, and she feels she absolutely has to hang onto him no matter what, and she's scared to death that if she loosens up the reins just a little bit, even for a few days when Javi came home, some other predatory female might sneak in and steal him from her. She can't let that happen. So even on the day when Javi was returning to the house to see his kids, she still had to keep Mr. Other Guy right there, where she could keep an eye on him. Tight leash. Meanwhile they pretend they are still "just friends," until all the legalities are finished.

Seeing lots of Under Armour logos all over the place. They must have paid for product placement.

This wins the Internet today! rotf!

For sure. Or an astronaut. Or a doctor -- or a schoolteacher. These girls had literally NO limit on what they could have done education-wise. But the only one who has any kind of drive or ambition, unfortunately, was born lacking common sense or empathy and so has used the many advantages to transform herself into a sex toy. Karl had some ambition once upon a time, but I think her only real ambition now is focused on her appearance, her interior decor, and the next boyfriend.

This was the original premise of the show: being a teen mom is hard. So the girls believed from the beginning that their lives were hard, that they were somehow special enough that people would want to watch them struggle. So they struggled for us. The show changed over time to incorporate a new premise: being on a reality TV show is hard. So they believe they have special problems and so they make it hard. It's no mystery why they got knocked up at 15 or 16; they aren't very bright and/or come from badly dysfunctional families. Now because they believe they're special and their lives are especially hard, they have grown into entitled prima donnas that thrive on the constant tug of war between self-pity and self-aggrandizement. It boggles my mind when I think of what a smarter, more imaginative or creative girl could have done with this platform.

I'm pretty sure some of Megan's segments in this episode were from weeks earlier, dropped in out of sequence. She was working outside (I forget what, building bird trap?) -- she was in shirt sleeves. It looked like a nice warm autumn day. No snow.

Coming late to the party in the US. I have been slightly baffled by references to Paul as some kind of hotty. Just didn't see it at all. Now I am watching one of the "masterclass" episodes, and he's baking. And now I see it.

Adam's.... truck, I guess you would call it, his VEHICLE -- omg, I cracked up laughing. I forgot that insecure small-town Midwestern guys think that kind of VEHICLE is cool. It was so ridiculous!

Adam was such a little weeny, pre-steroids. What did Chelsea see in him? Gag. It is such a contrast to now, like not even the same person.

How tall is Karl? She always looks like she's LOOMING over the other girls.