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The worst thing about that picture with the cupcakes is the forced, unnatural smile on Jace's face. That so-called letter from Maryssa: notice the "Dear Jenelle" on top is in red, while the rest is in orange. And it's a sheet of paper torn out of a notebook. This is not a Mother's Day card. This is someone who was forced to sit down and write an apology letter in her school notebook. Later when Jenelle decided to post it online, she was forced to go back and write Dear Jenelle at the top so all Jenelle's fans would know it was for her. Because its only real value was as a PR tool. Also note how Maryssa several times writes "I do care". You only say that if you've been saying, "I don't care" a lot and you've had it thrown back in your face. I can see Maryssa using that phrase a lot. It's something kids say when they're afraid of getting in trouble, if they're being accused of not being grateful enough, if they're afraid to express a preference, if they're being threatened with punishment. Also, Kaiser's note: His dad calls him Mister Hulk. His dad doesn't want him to eat too much candy. His dad gets mad when he eats candy. How much you wanna bet David yells at Kaiser for eating too much and fat-shames him?

I shared this here a few years ago. This describes Jenelle to a tee. Traits of Maternal Narcissism What's it like to have a narcissist for a mother? She manipulates everyone. She never does anything without an ulterior motive. She is always the victim. Nothing is ever her fault. She never admits to being wrong and never takes responsibility for any wrongdoing. She contradicts herself and is hypocritical. She presents one face in public, but privately she is a very different person. It’s your job to keep that secret. Everything is always about her. She is never there for you. Ever. No matter what. She never sees you, your need, your love, your pain, your loneliness, your accomplishments. She has no empathy. Your feelings don’t matter. If you’re unhappy, it's unreasonable to expect her to notice. If she is unhappy, somehow it’s your fault. Her children are responsible for her, not the other way around, whether housekeeping, financial, or emotional support. She sets her children against one another so they can never gang up on her. Triangulation is part of the way she manipulates. To her, you are only property. Her children are only extensions of herself. You only exist to support her and it is your responsibility to keep her happy, first and foremost, ahead even of your own children. Everything is always black and white: If you are not her ally, you are her enemy. She demonizes anyone who is on her “blacklist,” and it’s her way or the highway. If you attempt to set boundaries or withdraw your support, she makes you the bad guy and invents stories about you. If you remind her of her inconsistencies or double standards, she accuses you of “turning” on her and calls you a traitor. She rewrites history to erase her failings or lies. The Silent Treatment can go on for years, because her feelings matter more than anything else. She insists the entire family must shun you, so that the whole family is disrupted. Nobody can be happy if she’s not happy.

A jump in tourism as a result of the show: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-chernobyl-tourism-idUSKCN1T51MF

About the music: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/06/04/40388710/this-ukrainian-male-choir-has-got-me-fucked-up-over-the-finale-of-chernobyl

So for those of you listening to the podcasts or reading books, is it your impression that this disaster helped bring about the breakup of the USSR?

I am the same, and thanks to this forum, I was forewarned. So when they started showing scenes of the men patrolling looking for animals, I muted the sound and held up my hand so I could only see the bottom of the screen where there are the subtitles. That way I could know when the scene was done. The subtitles enabled me to see what was going on without seeing it or hearing it. There is an opening scene with the cow, so you may want to close your eyes for that. That one didn't bother me because the cow did not suffer at all. Much like the guy in charge, it's easier for me to take if I know they did not suffer. I appreciated that the script made that clear. They were not enjoying this. They had to drink themselves numb to do it. But it had to be done. Just like the guys on the roof.

Sometimes the very best thing a parent can do for a child is to get the fuck out of their life and never come back. Yes, it's hard to know your parent cares so little for you. Yes, it would be great if we all had a fairy tale family where everybody gets the love they deserve. But for Maryssa and Jace, their best chance of a healthy, happy life is by minimizing or eliminating all contact from their sick, fucked up, ignorant, narcissistic, destructive, dangerous parents. Living with grandma might not be ideal, but I'm sure it can't hold a candle to the nightmare that was daily life in the Swamp. If there was every a solid case for forced sterilization, these two top the list.

Poor Kaiser Roll. His whole life is "just wanted to." I have feared that he was getting the worst of it from David, because he is Nathan's child. UBT doesn't know Jace's father so there's no personal stake in having Jace around. But Nathan's son in his home, on his Land, in his domain. Kaiser who is just young enough, he can't really communicate what happened to him, unlike Maryssa and Jace. I'm afraid when the truth comes out we'll find that Kaiser was treated much like a dog in that household.

As difficult as it must have been, this was also the only humane answer. Not knowing what prolonged agony awaited every one of those animals, a quick death was far preferable. (Full disclosure: I haven't watched the episode yet cuz I am such a huge baby about animals dying.) But watching those poor firefighter guys melting alive in the hospital, I kept wishing someone would just do the humane thing. I can't imagine having to stand by and let them die so painfully, so slowly. Those poor nurses and doctors. I bet they all had PTSD so bad afterwards.

I am so relieved for those poor kids. But let's get a restraining order for Barb and those kids STAT. I laughed out loud when I read that list: drug testing? Hilarious. Remember the absolute hysterical pathetic meltdown when she had to give up weed for probation? She will throw a hissy fit for appearances sake, but she can't stand those kids. Remember that fun family vacation they all took together a few months ago, where they went to some winter sports lodge place -- and all she did was yell at the kids nonstop and literally could not wait to leave.

A certain percentage of viewers simply will not watch something with subtitles. As much as you might prize the verisimilitude, few filmmakers will willingly give up X% of viewers right out of the starting gate. Generations of young people living now have no memory or understanding of the insanity that was the Soviet Union. The idiots at the conference room table clapping and bragging about how it was all under control, the promotion of obviously unqualified individuals to jobs way over their heads -- all of this is the end result of years of covering your ass, of appearances being more important that facts, in believing a story when the truth is inconvenient. Jared Harris' voiceover at the beginning clearly states this. The Soviet Union had been telling people for years that nuclear power was perfectly safe, and to admit otherwise was treasonous. Treason, at a time when that could literally cost you your life. It's shocking that they had no video monitors where they could see what was going on with the core. They kept sending guys down to look and report back. The fact that their dosimeters only went up to 3.6 or whatever it was. I burst into loud laughter when that guy suddenly puked in the middle of the meeting. I saw a very good movie a few years back about a policeman trying to investigate obvious serial murders in the USSR, and people could not even admit the possibility of a serial murder because that would mean something was amiss in their perfect, peaceful, happy, safe country. He literally was risking his life by asking questions. He had to wait until the fall of the Soviet Union before he could actually investigate and ultimately catch the monster who had been murdering children for YEARS. I forget the name but it starred Stephen Rea. The reason everybody was so ignorant about radiation is because they'd been told it was safe. No need to prepare for disaster when disaster is impossible. I saw a very good program about Fukishima a while ago, maybe a Frontline episode. Same deal. The sea wall was supposed to be plenty high enough. Nobody ever dreamed there could be a tsunami that huge. When decision-makers are utterly ignorant about the area they are responsible for, it's a recipe for disaster. The same thing is happening in the US now.

I agree with the people who think this season was off. I think Season One really had a good sharp focus that kept the story anchored: we were watching a more-or-less relatable, ordinary person get sucked into something much bigger than herself, pulled along by her conflicted feelings. Have you ever found yourself wading into a situation that you knew was dangerous but you couldn't turn away? I have. Eve is more than a little freaked out by the fascination that was starting to consume her. It's not just V that fascinates her, it's the whole thing: working for "the" Carolyn, being more than just a desk jockey, having secrets, lying to her husband, having a double life, taking terrible risks. Stabbing someone! She likes it too much. Season Two has lost that focus. First it was Villanelle, then it was the Ghost, then it was the psychopathic Christian Grey Steve Jobs Julian Assange guy, with the Mysterious Twelve lurking in the perimeter. zzzzz Sure, the show wants to muddy the good/bad thing, who do you trust, who's lying to whom, who is using whom, etc. -- the whole duplicitous spy world. But you need to keep that from becoming a house of mirrors. Eve is now one of those mirrors, and I'm less interested in her. I've seen enough shows about murderous liars. The best moment from this whole season for me was when that expert guy was asking Eve all those questions, and she answered honestly, and they were all alarming as hell. How much time does she spend thinking about V? Is it starting to affect her personal life? Just like an addiction, she can see herself getting sucked into something really bad, but she can't stop. Unfortunately, it all feels like a big muddle to me now.

I think if the Secret Service took the trouble to drive out to the Land, there is a good possibility they or the NSA or Homeland Security or the FBI may be keeping an eye on him. If they aren't, they should be. He is absolutely an incipient Timothy McVeigh.

Remember when she had a dangerous car chase with Nathan, refusing to take Kaiser? That's right up there with pulling a loaded gun on a stranger in a road rage incident. Now we can add the dog killing. If there was a contest for Jenelle's top 10 WTF moments, those would be my top 3.

UBT's jacket looks like he got it in a thrift store.

I have known a lot of farmers and none of them ever hurt or killed an animal in anger. David pretending to be a farmer is just a cover story. Someone like him doesn't just start abusing animals out of the blue. He's been doing this for a long time. Those kids have probably witnessed a lot of animal abuse. They've seen what he will do if they step out of line.

Jenelle stay off social media? No way! She's an addict. That might be the one and only thing where she'll put her foot down with David, if he tried to insist. Cuz she is such a narcissist. She'll happily sell out her kids, her family, her soc-called "career" -- but just try and come between her and her phone! She can't stand to know that people are talking about her and she can't see it. And it is not possible for her to see it and not clap back. She just doesn't have that kind of self control. I think David is too dim-witted to be that invested in a social media identity, but he is simply not able to shut his big fucking mouth, not for five minutes. Not in front of kids, not with social workers, officers of the law, officers of the court, TV executives, or the Secret Fucking Service. Both of these morons feel 100% entitled to instant gratification of all their worst impulses. I predict a heroin relapse for Jail-nelle when all of this implodes. Has that fame whore Drew Pinsky had anything to say about this?

It's also highly likely that Jenelle will shoot UBT "in self defense." When you have a shit ton of loaded guns laying around with people drunk or fucked up on pills, it can easily go the other way.

I am from Barb's generation. When I was growing up, we said, "I'm gonna kill you!" to each other all the time. Whoever took the last of the Cheerios, I'm gonna kill you! If you don't shut-up and leave me alone, I'm gonna kill you! Of course none of us meant it. We used to slug each other in the arm too or push each other off our bikes. We were little shits to each other. I don't know where we learned it; it might have been from cartoons or the Three Stooges. Other kids talked this way too, it wasn't just my family. Most of us stopped talking that way when we grew up, but when I'm really mad, I probably still say it. "If that mailman lost my package, I'm gonna kill him!" It was silly of Barb to say it, but I think it got blown way out of proportion so they could fill another few minutes of airtime. They are so desperate, these storylines are so incredibly boring and stupid, I expect next week we'll have some drama about how someone's got an ingrown toenail. Leah's boyfriend looks SO miserable. I bet he stopped fucking her cuz he's scared to death she'll get knocked up. You know that's what this birth control business has been about. Plan B "as needed" means she's been having sex without reliable birth control, multiple times. Why are men so stupid?

Everybody has always said green is a bad color for the runway, and that coat makes the wearer look boxy. Also, that pale peach color has been universally acclaimed as everything from "mother of the bride" to "Golden Girls". I find Michelle's clothes unoriginal. I agree, Dmitri or Irina. I really did like a lot of Biddell's things, but the cork thing was a bad idea.

Why is it whenever these PR designers have to design for anyone other than a size 0 model, they lose their damn minds? EVERYTHING was FUGLY... .... except maybe Bidell's teen girl's dress (without the ridiculous bows on the leggings) and maybe Michelle's teen girl's dress, or maybe Dmitri's black dress -- but all of them could easily be found at any local J.C. Penney or Macy's. It was insultingly bad, and all the "family" people were doing their level best to keep suppressing their urge to vomit. And it was hilarious watching the judges pretend it was "all star" level design. I can't believe nobody talked about the crotch of that little boy's pants. For the "curvy" women, it seemed like they were deliberately trying to make them look heavier, if anything! Irina's maroon and black skirt thing! The clothes looked like they did not fit right, the proportions were nauseating, and most of them looked very "homemade." And the styling! There were some very very bad choices. Even the hairstyle choices were not good. If the challenge was meant to please the judges and not the clients, they should have made that clear from the get-go. I think the designers were confused about who they were designing for: usually you're supposed to please the client. Being unclear about that sent them all off into confused hideousness. I can't believe the judges didn't burst into incredulous laughter when Dmitri's male person came down the runway in that odious ensemble. Wtf was that supposed to be, some kind of uniform? As the years go on, the bar gets lower and lower on PR. From one season to another, the only designers I can remember are the ones who stand out for being particularly bad. I used to try to watch with an open mind to try to see what the judges were looking for, to learn a little bit about what constitutes good fashion design these days. Now it's all just blowing smoke up our asses to carry off the fiction that is this show. It's a joke and I have no idea why I keep watching.

It looks like Jace got shafted genetically from both sides. From both his parents, he inherits a predisposition for addiction, some kind of mental illness, or both. Andrew looks an awful lot like a long-term druggie who's trying hard to pass himself off as clean. No surprise that Jace has emotional problems. The deck is stacked against him in so many ways, poor guy.

Does anybody know if they plan to do more with this show? I miss the characters and want to know what happens next!

I've been trying to shake myself loose from these damn shows for so long, ever since their kids got old enough to know what's going on. I feel like me watching is the same as validating their stupid behavior; it's the same as putting money in their pockets. I absolutely can't condone putting money in Jenelle's pocket anymore, especially after that "road rage" incident. I have to do the same with this show cuz I won't reward attention whores with more attention, not to mention money. I wish I lived in a world where I didn't have to even know the Palins exist, and I'm sure not going to watch a fake soap opera about their problems. I can find out when Ryan relapses and when Catelynn goes back to 'rehab' by reading this forum. You guys are a hell of a lot more entertaining anyhow.

I recorded this and am just now watching. I wasn't so much disappointed about Stacy leaving, but I was shocked that Sophie was Star Baker. Her ballet tutu was kind of a mess, broken, and looked like a hat. To me the design was quite simple and it was not well executed. I was truly shocked by that decision. Unlike many of you, I liked Stacy very much. I agree she probably should have gone home several weeks ago, but I found her relatable and down to earth. She got nervous and shook up, but that seems so normal. I agree that Liam should have been there. I found myself getting accustomed to the new hosts and judge; I didn't care for the goth guy much, but he's growing on me. What I like about them is they don't try to be Mel & Sue. But I absolutely hated missing the technical and having to wade through commercials. I will watch this again when it's on PBS. Also: everybody knows it gets hot in the tent. If you watch the show you know this. They all are working in the same heat, so it's an even playing field. If I was a contestant, I'd plan ahead for that. But yes, it would make sense to get some a/c in there.