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Q is sitting out. So is Liz.

Ooh some high stakes here. 4 people can sit out of the challenge or 2 people can agree to give up their vote tonight and still compete.

I feel like all of these challenges are Survivor classics at this point.

I'm disappointed in Maria for not realizing how quick Q was to turn on his #1 Tiffany, just because Tiffany was daring to play her own game and not do what he wants. What makes her think he wouldn't turn on her if she voiced her own opinion? I mean she was throwing Maria's name out, but seriously, he turned on her because she thinks getting Venus out maybe isn't a good move because no one takes her seriously.

I didn't know Q knew about Tiffany's idol but I hope this doesn't come back to bite her.

I feel like this is coming out of nowhere. I didn't even know Liz and Soda hated each other until Hunter mentioned it. And now Tevin feels Tiffany is shaky so he goes to Q and the other 6 members to say he's unsure about her. And now Q thinks she's playing an old school game of taking a goat to the end (because that still isn't happening in the new era?) And she's got a point about Venus. She's not threat. Why not go for Kenzie or Ben? God can we have multiple people voted off tonight?! One of them being Q of course.

I love that Liz is getting feisty that Tevin and Venus are stealing her move. And now she decides to wants to play and is targeting Tevin. If Q can't go, I'd be okay with Tevin going.

I was hoping he'd jump down and give everyone a good scare. Bonus points if he misjudged his jump and crashed into the shelter. Hey, I need something exciting to happen!

If he seriously wanted to take a shot at Hunter, how would he frame it to everyone-"I couldn't find him in hide 'n seek so he's a threat and needs to go?"

I think if Q explained his rules of hide 'n seek better maybe Hunter wouldn't have gone so far up a tree. I would assume we were playing old-school rules, of which the purpose is not to be found or tagged it (because we used to have a home base we'd run to). I mean did Q ever have a secret strategy when playing Clue or Monopoly?

So Q is basically just using this as a way to determine how good people are at playing Survivor based on their hiding skills. Not sure I get the logic, but whatever.

Okay, so the scene of Hunter hiding in the trees was just them playing hide 'n seek? The way it was portrayed I thought he was taking a page out of Tony's playbook and making his own spy shack. I'm definitely prepared to be disappointed tonight.

It's probably the old format but we used to get so much packed into just 60 minutes and I felt like I not only knew who everyone was by the end of episode 1, but we got to see so much happening at camp and at the challenges, and TC were also long enough. I hate this new era game play where everything goes 100 miles an hour and everyone's about resume building. This group especially all seem to think they are God's gift to Survivor gameplay.

And now Q's asking Charlie if he's ready to play the game with people. Because Charlie hasn't been doing that without Q? I'm actually disappointed we didn't get the other tribe's reaction to Tim being gone. But guess his absence isn't missed because they are bringing Charlie in. And he's got a better read on the six than Maria.

If they are all in the final 3 together this might be interesting. Every argument might be "my big move was getting Soda out".

And now Liz is saying it was really her idea to take out Soda and she's annoyed that Venus and Tevin are trying to take the credit?

Jem was definitely a blindside. So there's been at least one before Soda. I love Venus, and the way that she rubs everyone the wrong way just makes me love her even more.

And you can tell Tevin is livid.

Q's already frustrated because no one is doing what he wants.

I really love that Venus got the credit from Soda when it was Tevin who was behind the blindside.

It seriously better be more than just a big get up of their seats and start whispering. Some of the cast are hyping this episode up so it better be big, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Post-show discussion thread

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Venus posted this to her Twitter. Some are wondering if she spoiled that she’s the boot tonight and maybe it’s really ugly. Could be she’s worried things won’t get shown like it happened.

I do think the show, like a lot of reality TV, is between a rock and hard place. SM goes off the rails the first time they don't like what someone said, did, or who they voted off (forgetting it's a game and that the point is to vote someone off regardless of their gender, age, or race). It's worse on Big Brother because the show is live and it's like every other day people want someone kicked out. I can't imagine what it would have been like if SM existed when these shows first started. But Soda had deleted her Twitter account because she was getting fat-shamed from people who didn't like how she was treating Venus. Maria shared DMs she got on IG from people sending her horrible messages for voting Jem off. And while I'm sure Kenzie has gotten her share of hate, she also said that people who are fans are just showing up at her job and it's disrupting her workplace (she's a salon owner). But on the flip side, I think Jeff is forgetting his own words he used so many times in the early years. Survivor is, or at least was, a social experiment. It had its ups and downs but it was about putting people from all different walks of life together in a competition for a million dollars and having them have to work together and build a society for 39 days, or until they got their torch snuffed. There were all different types of personalities, and the heroes, villains, and then the people we forgot were even there until they showed up at the reunion show. And there weren't these sob stories. Everyone's got one, and frankly, I think it's why some shows had a downfall. I feel sorry for the new era fans who get cast, because this game they are playing isn't Survivor.