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Kim doesn't want to go to rehab and is going (probably) because of family, legal, and work issues. She is not going to rehab for the right reasons: getting drug and alcohol free for herself

This probably has already be mentioned, but didn't Kim say something about her kids disowning her if she relapsed again. Well, they must of seen the poker night episode and the entire season, not to mention the arrest at the Polo lounge. Yet most of them are with her at the Dr. Phil show where she refuses rehab. One of her excuses is that she doesn't want to miss Brooke's wedding. I guess she lied and they didn't cut her off. Brooke should tell Kim she can't come unless she goes to rehab. Never mind…what's the point….Kim doesn't want to stop pills and booze.

Maybe Bethenny doesn't want to get to know Kristen or she got to know her well enough at brunch to not want to hang with her. I prefer to think that Bethenny is loyal to her friend (Kyle) and doesn't want to associate with Kristen (friend of bg). lolWhy can't Kristen speak for herself and why does Heather have to get involved? I think Bethenny is self-aware and likes being bitchy--usually in a funny way (sometime to crude for many). I suspect that she is fine with her real friends and doesn't want to suffer fools anymore. Bethenny isn't perfect and she seems impatient--walked away from Ramona instead of getting into an argument with someone being irrational and over something so trivial. Kind of like how she shut down Heathers nonstop ramble (edited to look long) about Ramona. Abrasive, sure, but I think it comes from impatience and having a caustic sense of humor as well as really not giving a shit.I think Bethenny cares about some people/issues and the rest she doesn't want to deal with (or doesn't have the time or patience for)…basically, doesn't give a shit. I don't think she is malicious, manipulative or trying to dick people over. I think she can be a bitch but isn't a "bad" person. If you want to see bad people, then just watch the Beverly Hills version. Even Luanne's manipulations aren't really bad (most likely producer driven but still not that bad) compared to the horrible manipulations of brandi splitting sisters up and everything about her and kim. Maybe Bethenny is depressed and uses humor as a defense mechanism. I don't think she is a "bad" person at heart. I'm enjoying her and her snark/bitchiness. I've never like Ramona but felt sorry for her about Mario. However Ramona hasn't really changed and she is still a crazy bitch that I don't like…but I don't think she or any of them are really "bad" people. Bethenny, be a bitch. Ramona, be irrational and have crazy eyes. Heather, be nosey and gossipy. Kristen, be whiney about hurt feelings. Luanne be manipulative and hook up with guys. Dorinda, keep snarking on the "old" bitches. Carole, keep screwing younger guys. Sonja, keep on partying and enjoying life. This all is fun and really lighthearted compared to BH. I/we needed this tone at this time. I like some of them and dislike others…but they all entertain me (except Kristen who hasn't had much screen time so far…let's keep it that way…lol)

WTF is wrong with Jessica? She wants BOTH CLOSETS and the drawer? Greedy! Then she expects him to be psychic~~read her mind…psycho. Girl, learn how to say what you are thinking without being all sly about it. He asked what your were snarking about and you didn't tell him you wanted both closets or 1 and 1/2 closets. I guess you (by "you" I am referring to Jessica) were too busy plotting out what you were going to say on camera to throw him under the bus and look like the victim. Prior to the season you came off as a fame whore (they all are or they wouldn't be on tv imo) who wants to be an actress (I see your fake acting) rather than a trashy, oops, I mean glamor girl "model". I guess your acting isn't that bad since many are fooled after your spur of the moment plan to play up the "trash" comment. It was purposefully misheard as "you are trashy" rather than "piercings are trashy but yours looks good on you". Yeah, some guys say stupid stuff and it is easy to put a spin on it when in public (especially when no one overheard the conversation) to create your "drama" moment that paints you as the terrorized victim and him as the abusive bully. I see what you are doing. Girl, if you really are fearful and "walking on eggshells" then is your FAME WHORE desire to be on tv really worth your personal safety? If so then please fuck off. If not then GTFO….lol You aren't walking on eggshell…you are too busy sneaking off for one on one camera time to "trash" Ryan. He is immature but I am getting the impression you are manipulating it all…fuck, you are a good actress! I may be totally wrong and you are just a passive aggressive doormat who make women look weak and wishy washy…. Jessica just rubs me wrong. I'm all for helping out woman who need help (in abusive relationships) but there is something about you that seems fake or personality disorder or something insincere. Maybe it is because you are on reality tv and your segment are so choppy that they seem to be edited in your favor (you are Dr. C's favorite and he will through Ryan under the bus for/with you)

Ari may feel that she is a woman trapped in a man's body but I'm not sure I would call her a woman yet. She (I will say "she") is still male in phenotype (has a penis) and genotype (XY chromosome). Once she has finished the surgery so that her phenotype is female (no longer has a penis and now has a vagina) then I will consider her female (but still chromosome male). I realize I am using the term "phenotype" incorrectly but it best illustrates my point. I fully support one's choice to have their body match their gender identity. This all seems like a tremendous challenge, emotionally, physically, socially, financially, etc….It seems like it must hell (just the hormones alone seem like hell) and must take immense courage/strength/determination for one to change their physical gender to match their true gender identity. I image the challenges in all areas are so much more complex than shown on this show. About the people on the show, Ari seemed nice but she lied and I wonder why she wanted reveal her "secret" on the show when there are other safe ways to reveal the secret. Jamey seems like a great guy who likely has had some challenges in his life. He was much more enlightened, compassionate and generous than I expected. I liked Jamey. I hope they both find what they are looking for.

Wow, you really hate the fact that Mike speculated/theorized about Will being a greedy prick. Will's not greedy but he is instead a cruel sociopath malicious vile person. I didn't see Mike cheating but playing the game whereas Will got personal and hit below the belt in an inhumane manner. Mike is playing and Will is just a horrible person. I think Mike is a fairly nice guy in general but he is putting the game first but he doesn't seem like the type that would just stand their and let Shirin be beat down (way different than Dan, also a shit head, beat down of Sierra which was just mean game play but not soul crushingly personal).I don't think we are going to agree on Mike and Will so let's agree to disagree.

Mike came in towards the end (he walked up during the end of it) and defended her verbally and then got her out of there and gave her support and hugs. The rest of them were disgusting and I was appalled that they just stood there and watched her getting verbally abused. I am surprised some are trying to justify Will's vile behavior by saying she lied about the food. She didn't like…she speculated as did Mike and Jen (as would anyone who doesn't fully trust Will).

This episode just reinforced why I have been wanting Mike to win. He paid attention and figured out 4 people were planning to vote him out. I cheered when he decided not to pay for the letter (all the others except will had their letters and everyone lies in the game…but he worried about Dan's perception of his loyalty and changed his mind. He shouldn't have changed his mind and should have told Dan and Sierra later why he did it--he over heard the other 4 wanting him out). I wish he hadn't changed his mind and then he would have the extra vote. Mike STOOD UP FOR SHIRIN! while Sierra and the others just viewed the bullying as entertainment. The laugh is on you all since most of America (imo) are disgusted by you all…especially the vile disgusting Will. I liked Mike and Shirin hugging and celebrating. OMG! Will wanting Shirin to stay just to suffer…he is a sadistic piece of shit! He laughed at her pain and said she was unlovable, no one liked her, made fun of her not having a family and said she was soulless. Dan and Rodney are disgusting but Will is REVOLTING. I liked Jenn when she used her idol and I liked her this episode. Plus she is an animal lover and wanted to fuck with the games of the assholes. I'm sad she is gone. Mike and Shirin for the final two (but it won't happen since people I like rarely win). Tyler and the rest are shitty humans who stood by and didn't help out someone being verbally abused. Suggesting Will was holding back treats wasn't a big deal but he went bat shit crazy over it and exposed himself as hideous/atrocious person.

I'm just thankful she didn't say "blah blah blah" :-)

Donate to anyone EXCEPT goodwill! They are horrible. Just google Goodwill and scandal and you will see for yourself. The Salvation Army (I'm sure they have had scandal but not like Goodwill) is where I donate clothing and another local one that does pick ups. Seriously, I use to donate to Goodwill and anyone who donates, please look into other charities. None of the thrift-store charities are animal related, so I donate money to animal charities and "used clothing & household items" to the human charities.

Heather never bothered me in the past but she is being edited to sound like a boring gossip. I'm sure she had lots of shady shit to say about Ramona and Sonja… actually I don't think it is editing by bravo but her editing herself (about Ramona but not Sonja) which is smart but boring (at least in this episode). Annoying: appointing herself as the intermediary for conflicts that don't exist/are one-sided Heather seems intimidated by Bethanny which surprises me since she has previously seemed strong. Why would she throw shade on Sonja and Ramona to someone she doesn't know? I find gossip and shade throwing fun to watch at times but mainly when it is done in front of the person being "shaded". Why would she try to explain Ramona to someone who knows Ramona better? Who was that random woman at Ramona's brunch who was trashing Bethanny? Was that Ramona's sister? I hope Kristen is not rehired. She is boring and any potential like I had for her, disappeared when I found out she is friends with trashy bg. None of these women are malignantly repulsive as kim or bg (k/b). All of them are fame-whores but none are as revolting k/b. Luanne may manipulate, Heather may gossip/bore, and Bethanny may be abrasive but none of the cast have ever reach the lows of k/b. Even Jill didn't reach k/b levels of horribleness.

I don't get Heather's comment. Did Luann say she gave all her valuables to charity? I suspect she donated what wasn't sold to charities. She may have donated some or all of the money from the estate sale. Why wouldn't you sell your old stuff and donate the money? Most charities don't want used goods unless they are the rare few that have resale shops. All charities want cash. I don't see the connection between Heather, Luann, estate sale (excuse me, I mean shady "garage sales"…) and charity. Did they mention what this arguing was about? Why are they beefing? I'll have to track down that WWHL episode.

Ramona has annoyed me since season 1. I am not surprised that she continues to annoy me. Despite my dislike of her, I do find her entertaining. Bethanny--I didn't watch her spin off shows and I wasn't sure what to expect with her this time around. So far she has been highly entertaining and I forgot how much I enjoyed her wit and humor. She can be snarky and make mean comments but I don't find her to be malicious or toxic (she is not like bg or Kim from rhobh). I think I am a fan Sonja-- not a fan; delusional yet entertaining Lu--most of the time (of this series) I have liked her and so far this season, I like her. She can be very practical or "common" and at other times pompous; I think I am a fan Carole--less filler please! your face is getting bg puffer fish crazy looking! For a fairly boring hw, you have created 7 pages of controversy on this thread (more than bethanny/ramona) so you must be doing something right! lol. I use to dislike Carole but now I am neutral which probably pisses off both sides but frankly, Carole hasn't really done anything except flirt…and make a dumb diet comment and act like a twit in front of her agent/editor. Heather--seems threatened by Bethanny but I like that Heather engaged in some banter with Bethanny however she doesn't own Lu anything since Lu didn't help create or name the drink (watch the film); at least Heather had the balls to banter with her and I think Heather going to have to keep bantering with her to get any camera time. Carole seemed distant towards Heather on the trip over (Heather was wrong again [what is going on and please step up your game] since people usually die with clothes on). Is there something going on with the friendship between them? I'm neutral on Heather since we haven't seen much of her this season (previously more of a fan than not) Kristen--irrelevant and should have been fired. Yay, your child is improving (truly, I am thrilled she is improving!). Now go away……was neutral towards her until I saw that she was friends with one of the two housewives that I actually DETEST (notice I usually use words like "dislike" or "not a fan"). So Kristen, friend of toxic brandi, gtfo this show. I don't dislike Kristen but find her to be exceedingly boring and has shitty taste in friends (please stop promoting their unfiltered chunky shit wine).

I'm not a fan of either of them and think it was a horrible pairing. edit: wanted to add that I bet they will stay together since more fame and I suspect they worked something out on the phone (mutual beneficial arrangement or something like that).

…a wannabe actress/model. Now I know why she struck me as disingenuous. http://witsmag.com/2014/10/a-star-is-born-jessica-castro/

Admitting one has an issue is great but it doesn't negate having an issue. At least he has self-awareness and seems to be trying to work on his issue. Does Jessica have issues? Has she admitted them and is she trying to work on them? Abuse? really? I'd say immature but I don't think abuse is applicable. Thoughtless? sure. Negligent? sure. I think he does care about how she feels but I think he picked up "psycho" vibes from her at the restaurant. How would you feel if you said something like "neon colored clothes are ugly but they look great on you" and someone got super upset and brought it up later on camera after you had said "I didn't mean to say you were ugly and I actually said <insert comment> sorry you are upset and it wasn't meant that way" and that person kept trying to twist your words to make you look bad and them look like a victim. Maybe she didn't intentionally twist the words maybe she did. His anger looked real and maybe he was angry because he KNOWS he didn't say she was trashy. That was the only reason I could see for his anger. It seems like it was justified. Whereas if you knew your were wrong you would just apologize and then try to charm her. I just don't think he is always the one in the wrong and that Jessica is innocent. That maybe the case but when I watched it I thought he was a jerk and she was a basket case. How do you know he twisted her words? How can you state something as fact when it hasn't been shown on tv. Keep an open mind. Maybe he doesn't take ownership because I didn't say it. I got mad when she wanted to play with dolphins but then got all chicken shit about it. I wouldn't have said anything to her about it but I can she how if she keeps doing that then it would keep making me mad. I can get his "have to get mad" comment especially if someone is twisting my words. Is he supposed to accept her "let's make everything about me and my overly sensitive emotions and misinterpreting everything" issues. He has come off as a jerk and she has come off as psycho (kind of like splitting but not actually that term…not sure yet). I'm trying not to let personal experience cloud my interpretation but that is impossible. I am trying to look at it all with an open mind and try to see things from both sides. Neither Jessica nor Ryan are perfect or 100% correct in their actions. I think both are flawed and think Jessica is getting a better edit (psychologist's favorite). Yes, Ryan is a jerk is reckless and immature but try not to let that blind you to questionable actions/words of Jessica

What if she has misinterpreted the situation and he didn't insult her? He could have said, "Piercings usually look trashy but yours looks good on you". Dumb comment but not insulting at her. If she is seeing insults where there are none then I can see him getting angry and also fearing that he has to walk on eggshells around her. I can also see apologizing for her being hurt and not what was said if he knows what he really said wasn't an insult. Horrible communication and stupid comment of him but I get "crazy" vibes from her and "angry" vibes from him. He isn't innocent but I think he is straightforward compared to her. He is an immature jerk but I think Jessica has more "pathology" (I'm not sure why but she sets off my "crazy" radar).

Did Ryan say he intentionally flipped the jet skis? Did anyone actually hear his "trashy" comment? She annoyed me with her complaining about the water and she stayed in it for a couple minutes then argued (unnecessarily) that it was more than 5 minutes and expected congratulations for staying that long. Then she chooses dolphins and freaks out (drama queen; camera time to play victim) again. Yeah, Ryan is a jerk but she is more annoying. She keeps bringing up something that happened off camera--trashy mole/tattoo/piercing--and since she is the talker we just get her side of it. She even brings it up on x-mas after they supposedly hashed it out. She says something like she has gotten over it FOR NOW (and then to bring up later at every disagreement to get him mad since he knows she is lying about it…..[just my imagination and I don't know who is telling the true]). I wonder if she is lying/manipulating since she may be thinking that he isn't in to her. Maybe she is sabotaging her relationships. Ryan's flaws are obvious but I get a bad vibe from her.

I'm not sure why so many people automatically believe Jessica. Ryan, flaws and all, comes across as more genuine imo. He knows he has issues with anger and consciously tries to manage it. Jessica come across as someone wanting to look good on camera. I probably am misinterpreting Jessica and Ryan but I keep liking her less and less. I was never a fan of his but I think I like him more than her right now. I posted this on the last episode but it applies here as well: Ryan has been a jerk, however, sometimes Jessica has come across as overly sensitive and dramatic. Towards the beginning of the episode I couldn't stand Ryan but as the episode continued, I started to think Jessica was playing mind games and may be "misinterpreting" stuff. I'm not sure if she is as sweet & genuine as I initially thought. Jessica narrates more than Ryan and kind of comes off as thirsty for fame rather than love. I think the turning point for me was Ryan leaving an argument rather than arguing in a restaurant for fame (self-awareness on his part that she was lying to create drama or misinterpreting what was said OR he didn't want his rage to be captured). No one is perfect and so Ryan comes off as more genuine since he dropped the perfect act and is being somewhat "normal". Sure he was a jerk multiple times but Jessica isn't perfect and imo seems fake

Ryan has been a jerk, however, sometimes Jessica has come across as overly sensitive and dramatic. Towards the beginning of the episode I couldn't stand Ryan but as the episode continued, I started to think Jessica was playing mind games and may be "misinterpreting" stuff. I'm not sure if she is as sweet & genuine as I initially thought. Jessica narrates more than Ryan and kind of comes off as thirsty for fame rather than love. I think the turning point for me was Ryan leaving an argument rather than arguing in a restaurant for fame (self-awareness on his part that she was lying to create drama or misinterpreting what was said OR he didn't want his rage to be captured). No one is perfect and so Ryan comes off as more genuine since he dropped the perfect act and is being somewhat "normal". Sure he was a jerk multiple times but Jessica isn't perfect and imo seems fake

Thanks! I'd click like but can't. I don't understand the need for limits of likes. I guess I am too loose with my likes;-) I wonder if Mike & Rochelle would have gone home if they didn't get to do the pack task. I bet Hayley wouldn't have been happy if Blair was talking about a hot female pilot. I don't have a favorite team yet and usually by this point of the race I am cheering for a team.

I bet Hayley wouldn't have been happy if Blair thought a female pilot was hot.

I'm out of likes but I wanted to say "Agree". I love how they show the beauty of Namibia. OT: why is there a limit on "likes"

Before I forget: it's not fair that Mike & Rochelle got to feed the dogs after the other two teams were told they couldn't feed the dogs. The other two teams should have been able to wait to feed the dogs rather than be forced to do the "track" task--or--Mike and Rochelle should have been forced to do the track task. Off to read the comments

Well, Joe isn't very bright so he probably didn't think about looking for the idol. Plus Mike is playing a good game and is following Joe. Shirin notices that the main alliance has sub alliances so it is better to be # 3 with Mike and Sierra and she can flip to others if needed Maybe but he wasn't bright enough to think of it. However he didn't know that Will was working with Mike and that Shirin had flipped to Mike's team. Regardless, even with the split he thought would occur he didn't have enough numbers to feel safe so he should have searched for the HII even if Mike followed him.