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I believe Hunter called her "Katie" once, and it struck me then as interesting. IIRC it was when Hunter was trying to explain why he didn't tell her immediately that he made partner. I half expected her to tell him to not call her "Katie", which I'd think would be reserved for people very close to her. And I agree that the brief flashbacks really show how much the years have taken a toll on Katherine and on the relationship. Her admission of accountability was a mature moment of self-awareness. She continues to be the character that I most enjoy learning about. It's too bad she's tangled in the mess that's Delilah's arc.

I find myself incredibly annoyed anytime Delilah is on the screen. It's not even like she's a crafty villain or an outrageous character. She relies on everyone around her, and yet they all (except Katherine) think she's precious. WHY would Delilah call Eddie when she knows he's busy taking care of Katherine? We all know she's incapable of helping anyone. Just text him and let him know she's aware and sends her best. <small voice>I really want Eddie and Katherine together.</small voice> The way MaybeBarbara mentioned Delilah's pregnancy suggested she may have had plans for her otherwise. Actually, now that I think about it, a show without Delilah would be interesting. Eddie and Katherine could (in my tv world) get back together. Gary can be guardian to Danny and Sophie. Rome and Regina can do their thing. My TiVo cut off the preview. Anything interesting?

My exact thoughts. The character is pretty (barring the hair) and pleasant, but we have yet to see any standout qualities that makes the viewer think, "yeah, I can see why multiple men fall for her." I feel like the writers don't quite know what to do with her story. Is she the long-suffering wife - now widow - who's on a self-empowering mission? Is she a serial philanderer? Is she having a mid-life crisis? I realize character development takes some time to tease out, but as a viewer I need more hints on why someone continues to be on the screen. All things considered, the other characters have their own arcs: Gary outgrowing his commitment phobia, Maggie with her fight, Gina and the complexity of her backstory, Katherine getting away from taking care of Eddie, Rome and his depression, even Eddie coming to terms in his new role as a sober, now-single musician (this one's a stretch but at least something is there.) As Jon's wife, Delilah could be a very pivotal, central character with unique insights into how the circle of friends evolved - give her more oomph, please!

The visual for this cracks me up. Oh please have a flashback showing Ron Livingston squirreling away stuff from his house like Phoebe did in that one flashback episode of Friends when she was trying to move out of Monica's apartment.

So Rome is short for Jerome! I'm not quite sure about throwing Ashley out of the house. Sure, be mad at her, but she could still be useful as they unravel Jon's past. Is Katherine helping Delilah out pro-bono? She's spending a lot of time with her.

I realize it isn't really his story to tell, but I'd love if they used this opportunity (if sincere of course) to bring a more serious angle to the show. Real life is messy and complicated, and people come with actual baggage. In today's climate, it feels antiquated and outdated to show a faux fantasy world, replete with shallow catfights. I fast forward through more and more every week. Separately, are scenes of sheltered people trying new food for the first time and overreacting really that entertaining? I'll let myself out to tell someone to get off my lawn now.

I thought this was a good episode, possibly because I really like Ron Livingston. His pained look while calling Eddie was heartbreaking. The events portrayed Jon as a sympathetic character, between giving Ashley airplane tickets, taking Gina's call, buying an entire block to try to save it from demolition, and even remembering to buy a battery for the smoke detector. (Though possibly some passive aggressiveness in forgetting about dinner.) It's not clear yet when Jon found out about Delilah and Eddie's affair. Eddie's bracelet was in his dresser, so presumably he already knew about them before the restaurant. It does add an interesting layer of complexity that Ashley also knew. Not sure I understand (yet) what he meant about not being the man everyone thought he was. I guess having a secret apartment is kind of shady but what does he do there? Who was taking care of Theo when Eddie ran over to the restaurant? Was he in the car? The Maggie storyline was odd. I'm not sure I found out anything new about her other than she has a caring family. Explains why Gary has been so militant about Jon's legacy. He's projecting his guilt. More Colin please.

First of all, I was excited about this show coming back, so I really enjoyed it. (Did they have to have commercials every 5 minutes, though?!) OK, this was a lot to digest. Danny, way to go. And props to Delilah. The Ashley story is interesting more because I'm wondering what the writers want to lead us to believe. It may be that she's carrying out the plan to help Jon's family by liquidating the Rutledge account before it could be seized to service the $18M debt. Perhaps Barbara Morgan is high on the creditor list. What I don't get is the shredding of papers or frankly why she's being so shady. Maybe that's where the affair comes in, though we have yet to see more on this. Why was Eddie standing in Delilah's kitchen? If he was home to see Theo, I'd think the logical place to surprise him would be at Theo's house. Does everyone lock their houses except for Delilah? Would Starbucks not suffice temporarily? Yeah, Gary and Katherine on the search for Ashley was awesome. They seem to be the two main beneficiaries of Jon's friendship, so I get Gary not wanting to give up on him and Katherine wanting to understand what was really going on (plus the additional interesting aspect that her husband was having an affair with his wife.) Giggle at Gary explaining away how he knows where Ashley lives. Katherine's legal assistant/ co-worker is awesome. I'd love to hear his commentary on the rest of the friends' drama, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern style. Rome and Regina could be a spinoff on their own. They've got enough richness in their storyline to expand, and I feel like they never give them enough time.

Keep going. If the commercials are correct, he'll be featured prominently in the winter premiere (episode 11) tonight. I'm (possibly in the small minority of people) really looking forward to it.

Ironically, the reason why I wish he was the Bachelor is probably the very reason why he shouldn't be the Bachelor. He's articulate, mature, and has a personality. We know the show can't have that all season. I actually like Ashley I and Jared together. They compliment each other well. Ashley I's new haircut really suits her. At this point in the show the women still all look alike. The constant comments about his virginity were over the top and even inappropriate at times. Imagine if it was a Bachelorette, and the suitors discussed taking her v-card during their introductions. To his credit, though, Colton was a good sport, though more likely it was a condition of his contract to go along with the theme of the season. Every season I FF more. They need to change it up.

(Unpopular opinion) I still like this show and want Martin and Lena to get back together, totally because the leads are so charming. What did the babysitter mutter after getting paid (and after saying she literally had nothing else to do)? I rewound 3 times and still didn't understand. For a second I thought Lena was going to kiss the teacher. At the end, was Martin again withholding as a means of getting back at Lena somehow? I thought she'd said she was fine by then. I think I missed how Lena's sister and the waiter got together but the premise cracks me up. Like everything else on this show it's goofy and unreal.

That preview for upcoming episodes made the entire first half of the season worth it. NOW we're talking. I'm ALL IN wanting to know the full extent of Jon not being the man everyone thinks he is. Whoever in one of the earlier threads predicted Delilah needing Katherine's help -- well done. The episode itself was ho hum. I would have thought that despite Eddie and Katherine's situation, they would have at least tried to have a Christmas-like celebration with Theo before Eddie went on the road. Delilah acting like she was the only one who believed in Eddie('s ability to get back on the road) is ridiculous. They all went to his concert when he opened for Kings of Leon. I liked Katherine whispering in Eddie's ear not to drink. I get friends being supportive and not saying anything, but it felt like a gentle but needed reminder that he was now a father and had perhaps more to live for.

Some NYC condo buildings (usually high-rises) have supers and a full staff. The place Regina and Rome owns seems fairly upscale, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind of in-house maintenance team. It was kind of a funny moment when Rome showed his Dad his all-in-one toolkit, as many condo owners could probably relate.

This show shines when it balances snarky levity with authentic moments that deserve to be serious. This episode brought it with Ashley's deadpan delivery and combining it with Gary's very real breakdown at the end. Is the show trying to demonstrate that Delilah is supposed to be so attractive that she would catch the eye of a random good-looking guy at the next gas pump by doing nothing other than talk about Simon and Garfunkel and filling up her gas? Does this absolve Eddie in some way? Not sure if it's just because Ron Livingston is a familiar face or if it's the way they wrote Jon, but the scenes with him energize the story. The chemotherapy scenes were touching, and I liked that Jon and the nurse turned a difficult situation into something fun. I thought it was nice (and Gary-like) when Gary called Linda out for almost smiling, making her feel included in their banter.

I thought the same thing. Your kid tells you borderline evasively he's got his after school activity to an arcade sorted out, and you're just ok with it? Gary has been more of a parent to Danny than Delilah has. Makes you wonder if Jon was doing all the parenting, too, and perhaps what else he was running in the house. It'll be interesting to see her reaction to whatever Jon was intending with the insurance policy. Loved that Gary's was an old flip number clock, too. (And I also wake up to an 80s station. The day is off to a good start when Like A Prayer is the first thing I hear.) I fell asleep 2/3rds of the way through the episode. Not sure it was because of the show, as I'd been up late for a few days in a row, but the episode just didn't seem satisfying. It felt like one of those dinners you have occasionally that's made up of all the leftovers in the fridge. The plate has variety, not a whole lot of any one thing, is still somewhat good, but just not great. From the portions I watched, the subplots were disjointed, and nothing got resolved. I'll have to finish the episode and see if my impression changes. Other thoughts: - I didn't get the whole thing with Katherine coming into the ramen place with her coworker and seeing Gary. Are we implying that Katherine is an Eligible Single Woman Who Has Moved On From Her Cheating Husband? I wouldn't mind seeing that show, by the way. Spin her off. Heck, make it an Ally McBeal reboot. They're in Boston. - Not sure why Eddie was so upset about someone wanting to sing his song. I get that he wrote it, but he still gets songwriting credit, I assume. If he wants to record it later, he can. At this point, he's teaching guitar to kids in the suburbs. I would think any type of interest in his musician skills would be welcome. - What was the point of the lemonade stand? And when he got the phone call from Maggie about Rome, did he clean it up all up and take it down? - Thanks for the "I'm Still Standing" earworm, show. - While David Giuntoli and Romany Malco bring the pretty, James Roday oozes charisma. I enjoy all the scenes he's in. For those who have watched him in other shows, is this just him or is this how Gary's written?

<raises hand> I *like* most of the subplots and characters. Maggie's the only one I find mildly irritating with her perfect quips and Division 1 basketball pedigree, but I suspect that's more my problem than the character's. I don't even dislike Delilah that much. She just looks awful most of the time, which is probably realistic given what she's going through. Gary cracks me up, I'm invested in Rome and Regina's story, and the Eddie/Katherine/Jon triangle continues to intrigue me.

Yes, he seems like the one who takes care of everyone. He's great with kids, he makes people feel good. (Though I did cringe when he said he didn't have his wallet - he was driving without his license!) It's generally a beautiful cast, but this episode made me realize just how good looking David Giuntoli is. Rome and Regina's scenes at the end of the hour were so well done. I want to see how this arc plays out. The wine hoarding / swapping at Game Night was comical. I'm glad they finally came back to the subplot involving Jon's folder to Delilah. Does this mean Ashley knows what was going on with Jon? Giggled at Theo refusing to feed the ducks. It humanized Maggie. Overall I liked the episode. The show continues to draw me in.

I'm still oddly drawn to the show. In decreasing order of interesting plot lines to me - and I agree there are too many. It's like they threw a bunch of potential stories out there to see what sticks. 1. Eddie and Katherine (and Jon) - this triangle intrigues me the most. Jon was the only one of the group who bonded with Katherine over their work. I wonder how Eddie felt about it, especially if he was once playing the Garden, but then got kicked out of his band and is now relegated to teaching guitar to kids. (And, yes, he could have been someone who found his calling teaching students, but nothing's ever proven that to be the case.) 2. Rome and Regina. I loved what I thought was a glimmer of hope in Rome's face when he thought Regina was pregnant. It was like he found a reason to live. It was a very subtle expression IIRC, but that's what made it cool. I want to know more about Rome's life, the pressures the therapist mentioned, and why they decided to remain childless. 3. Gary as the happy go lucky friend - I'll leave Maggie aside for now, because I like Gary infinitely more when he's not around Maggie. He's got fun if sometimes unrealistic dialogue around the guys, he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he was the only one to really reach out to Jon's son. 4. Delilah. I'm just meh about her. I don't know where they're going with the pregnancy story. Do they want her to end up with Eddie? I wouldn't want to see that show. Or does she have Jon's kid, who turns out to be a constant reminder of Jon. Either way, it doesn't interest me. Unfortunately this isn't one of those stories they can shove into the background now. 5. Ashley and the envelope. I started out intrigued, but I'm happy having this as a back burner plot. The loving caress of the dry cleaning was odd, and it seems Ashley had an extraordinarily close relationship with Jon. It may be just a small company, so perhaps this was normal. Still, I want to know what was happening. 6. Maggie. Something about her just bugs me. I think perhaps it's because she's the least relatable. She's embeds herself into a tight group of friends with some psychology insight, snarky comments about Gary, and the ability to steal smuggle glassware and wine from the kitchen of someone she just met. And of course she's an incredible basketball player.

Ah, I stand corrected! Thanks cardigirl. :)

The flashback to Eddie on stage with his band was interesting context. Katherine was clearly enamored with Eddie The Lead Singer of a Band, but even then, she leaned on Jon for support, physically, with her arm on his shoulder. If the basis of their relationship was an attraction to the bad boy while she had her mental connection with someone else, it's not difficult to see how the relationship would have soured once he traded in the bad boy persona to become a stay at home dad teaching guitar to kids in the suburbs. Add resentment and bitterness if she was the one who had to deal with the alcoholism treatment while dealing with a newborn and supporting the family. Nitpicky moment: Unless Delilah was speaking about a fictional Beacon Street in their fictional upscale Boston suburb, her suggestion to go to a Thai place on Beacon made no sense. There is no way someone would bring their family from the suburbs to the Back Bay on a Friday night for dinner on a whim.

Boom. That summarizes the Kamil/Annaliese dynamic in 6 words, which ironically, IIRC, were originally uttered by none other than Jack Berger in an episode of SATC when Miranda was complaining about a guy's behavior. Does everything on this show lead to A Million Things or whatever it's called? Is Colton the youngest Bachelor? For all the issues with the last few Bachelors, I liked that they were all somewhat established in their fields (in Chris Soules' case, literally) and knew themselves decently well (even if it is that they are a player.) It lends to the myth of the show of helping a man who has it all find the woman of their dreams. I don't care to watch someone still trying to figure out themselves go on a dating journey. I would have no problem with Jordan as the next Bachelor. He's confident. He knows himself. He's hilarious. I want him to find love, and it'll be entertaining to see him deal with 25 women. Oh Venmo John. You wily rascal. He gamed the show like. a. pro. Kissed a bunch of pretty girls, went on a paid vacation, played each girl cool without getting himself into a Kamil mess (the Olivia thing was hardly a blip on the show), and the worst thing that happened to him was being called a kissing bandit. No hot seat, no booing from the audience, and increased name recognition. Bravo. Meh on Grocery Joe. I can see the Erin Andrews interview already: - Erin: So, Joe, America loves you! How did you find your first experience on the dance floor in front of America? - Grocery Joe: (grin/shrug) it was okay.

LOL. I want someone to show up on that show, with a coffee mug in hand, and note "yeah, I'm going need you guys to be less annoying" Or that to be writing on a post-it note. Or wearing flare.

Oh whew, so glad his eyes are hazel and they're magnificent. Because we didn't hear it in the first 9000 times we'd seen the commercial over the season.

Thanks Chocolatine! I was being a little facetious, comparing their general interchangeability with the very unique Jordan (we may all disagree on how much we like him but we don't mistake him for anyone else.) I *love* your descriptions, though, including the bonus descriptions for Nick, Dave, and Benoit. LOL. Got any other descriptions for the others?

Oh John. You wrote the Venmo app. You were an Eagle Scout. We thought you were different. Alas, Paradise is the great playah equalizer, transforming everyone into the person Patrick Dempsey turned into when he became popular in Can't Buy Me Love. I can't unsee the awkward kissing with Kendall. And speaking of unseeing, it's not so much a Gilbert Gottfried resemblance as much as Jiminy Cricket for me. (See?) When is Eric's Aunt Verna going to show up and tell these folks to get their act together? She was one of the highlights of this entire franchise. For all of Jordan's antics, he seems like he's well-liked, fun to be around, and actually has some kind of distinguishable personality. I'm not sure I can actually tell Kendall, Chelsea, and Krystal apart.