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That last fight scene, tho. Holy cow. I think I saw where there were a couple of clever edits, but at least that last few minutes up until Matt rescuing the kid looked like it was all one take. One brutal take. (And they may or may not have swapped out a stunt double with Charlie Cox in that doorway prior to the last fight). Even if the entire thing wasn't one take, that was incredible.

Absolutely loving this so far. Watching ep 3 right now, and will probably finish all of it this weekend. My favorite moment was the scene with Foggy and Matt when discussing attractive women. "How would I know?" Matt asks. "It's kind of spooky, actually," Foggy banters. Charlie Cox' laughter is so natural there. I wasn't sure what to expect from Elden Hensen (I admit, I judged a book by its cover and he looked too goofy), but he's awesome. Everyone is stellar so far, and the writing is excellent. The fight scenes are brutal, but I love how stylized Matt's fighting style is. It's very much a boxer at its root, as fits the character, but the way its choreographed makes Daredevil very distinct in style in a way I've never really noticed too much in action movies before; it certainly sets him apart from the other heroes of the MCU. They are really pulling all the stops out with this show. Seeing this, and having watched all of the brilliance that was Agent Carter, just makes me wonder how they dropped the ball so badly with Agents of SHIELD. I hope the rest of the Netflix series keep up the quality here.

That was a great episode. From the quick flashbacks we'd been seeing all season long (the glass of milk shattering, etc.) I was getting the impression that there was going to be some child abuse in Cole's past, and when we saw his father initially and the lie and paranoia, I was convinced that would turn out to be the case. But nope, what we got instead was a really touching story about parents and their children, and some wonderful acting by Amanda Schull, Aaron Stanford, and, most notably, Patrick Garrow as Matthew Cole. I don't recall seeing his work anywhere else, but I'm not ashamed to admit I teared up at several of his scenes. What a wonderful standout performance for essentially a one-off appearance in a show. I'm disappointed that he's gone already. And Jones' secret. I'm not entirely certain that Jones actually knew Cole all along (as was strongly implied) or if this was part of a paradox that was being created by her sending him back to 2015, but I definitely want to rewatch all of the previous episodes and see if or how there is any subtext that I missed, or if this new revelation changes the context of Jones and Cole's scenes together. 12 monkeys does stumble a little bit here and there, but it is overall one of the best shows I've seen in a long time, and I think the cast and crew continue to do a stellar job. I thought it was a possibility at one point, but now I'm not so sure. Matthew Cole mentioned that Cole's mother Marion brought him to Matthew because she couldn't protect him, and that she was somehow involved with the Army of the 12 Monkeys. I suppose it's possible that she took him there in order to preserve the timeline, but that wasn't the sense I got from when Cole and his dad were talking. I think perhaps we haven't met her yet.

The real asshattery of Chuck is that twice now he's not only screwed over his brother, but he's made Hamlin do his dirty work for him. I think Hamlin would have hired Jimmy both times if not for Chuck; at least that's my read on this episode.

Ask me, that katana's the real danger. Killed more than just about anyone or anything else. It needs to be put down. Or Kwai Chang Caine.

Unintentional humor is gud. lol :D

I wonder what Jones is going to do when she finally realizes that the whole plague is really the result of her sending Cole back in time in the first place? Aside from the knowledge that her daughter's death is her fault, there is her whole continued insistence that everything will be reset and all sins will be forgiven once she "sets right what once went wrong." They should have a Scott Bakula cameo in this show for laughs.

I'm still kind of curious how it is that Ramse isn't aging. And what was up with his hand? As to Olivia, yes, a lot of questions there. Could Olivia be Jones' daughter somehow? The strange thing about that scene, aside from showing Leland as much more blatantly evil and cruel than he has previously been depicted (more extreme), is that when he was leaving in the elevator, I almost got a protective vibe out of him. "She's where she needs to be." Yes, if the enemy is out to kill her, that was (in theory) one of the safest places to keep her for her own security. I think my favorite part about this episode (which felt a bit uneven to me) was the scene between Whitley and Jones. He's really grown on me as a character; come a very far way from his initial "jerk soldier" appearance, and been allowed to develop into a three-dimensional person on-screen. And the actor did a wonderful job. I hope this isn't the last we see of him.

Something else that occurred to me. How did Sam get in Carol's house in the first place? I cannot for the life of me believe that anyone in Rick's group would leave their houses and windows unlocked, not after such a short period of time among the Alexandrians. Especially not Carol.

I like that it was Carol who realized Pete's an abuser, but I'd have liked it even better if she was the one to kill him. I'm sure it would be cathartic for her.

I imagine that Ramse's about-face re: the cure has more to do with him and his history with Helena and the trust that they have, and his history with Jones and knowing the sorts of things she's capable of and has lied about before. There is probably a strong sense, too, of him wanting to believe there is a cure so that they don't have to undo all of time and his son and his life with Helena will not be erased. I'm of mixed feelings about the renewal. On the one hand, I really enjoy this show and am glad to see it continue (and feel it is well deserved for all the talent behind it); on the other hand, I hope this doesn't mean we'll end up having long stretches of plot that goes nowhere in order that they can pad out their story. They've done a great job so far, so hopefully my fears are just due to my own innate jadedness.

I was wondering the same thing. On the one hand, it is the brilliant long term planning that Mike has demonstrated over the course of his tenure and certainly in character (and wow, what an alibi). On the other hand, the shot of him at the bar struggling with that shotglass of whiskey seemed pretty desperate. I suppose it could simply have been the emotion that we saw at the end, of him reliving the futility of what he'd forced his son to do, and stirring himself up to carry through with his plan, rather than him actually having been struggling to stay sober. Either way, that was a great episode. Jonathan Banks knocked this out of the park. He and Bob Odenkirk (and Aaron Paul) were the best things about Breaking Bad, to me. (Okay, Cranston was good, but his character was so despicable). I liked the insight we got into Mike's character here; it was always pretty clear that he wasn't on the up and up even when he was a cop, but seeing how it affected him and his son was really interesting.

Speaking of the Witness, I'm wondering if the vision of intact house/destroyed house that we saw in Red Forest is indicative that the Witness may be somehow connected with an alternate timeline? (Of course, it could just be a time travel related issue with just past/future versions of the same house instead).

I can't recall when exactly the Witness was first mentioned, but I believe the name was first dropped by the pale scarfaced guy who said that the Witness was the mastermind behind the Army of the 12 Monkeys. Again, that's just my recollection, and it may be flawed.

I had the same thought, actually, and IIRC, Seth didn't tell Frank where the information came from (unless I misheard). I kept expecting it to come up at some point (like when Doug went back to Frank to use it as "proof" that he was working as a mole), but it never resurfaced.

This was one of the weaker episodes to me, but at the same time, it had a lot of really interesting character moments (notably Ramse and Jones' in 2043). Definitely laying the groundwork for a lot of what is to come, so it may actually end up being one of the more important episodes in the mythos down the road. I echo solea's comment that I'm kind of torn on this one. That said, it still continues to surprise and intrigue me. I knew that Cole couldn't possibly be being brought up just as Cassie showed up (how could he have survived down there for weeks without food and water?); wasn't expecting that he'd jumped forward through time, though. Helena's appearance was unexpected- I figured her story had to come up at some point, but didn't see it happening here. She disappeared 5 years ago; if I recall my 12 Monkeys timeline, then that means Cole and Ramse met her after they fled the West 7. I am thinking more than ever that the Witness will turn out to be Ramse. Now that he knows about his son, he has more reason than ever to want to try and make sure the timeline turns out the way it has- or at least he will, if he starts to get closer to his son. I thought the 2015 storyline lagged somewhat, and Cole seemed remarkably intact considering the damage to the fortress. I guess he must have jumped right as the missile salvo initially hit the building? Or did he splinter twice somehow- once each time they tried pulling him back? Ramse and Whitley seem to be getting along better, at least.

I can't recall whether it was in this episode or an episode or two back (Darn binge watching...), but what was up with Yates' forgetfulness at the grocery store? That seemed like it was leading somewhere, but didn't get followed up on.

Ischabibble got it- that's the reason given. I wonder if they couldn't get the actor for the whole season due to conflicts of schedule or something? It seemed a rather abrupt disappearance, considering how much face time Mendoza had up to this point in the season.

I see a lot of assumptions that Captain Cold will be part of the "team," but doesn't it make just as much (more?) sense that he'll be the "team's" major protagonist, instead?

I guess what I mean is- the conceit that the story is based around is that in Cassie's future, the plague is unleashed and it leads to the end of humanity that results in Cole and his time splintering. But what if we (and the characters) are all mistaken, and Cole hasn't actually gone into his own past timeline, but instead was sent into an alternate/parallel timeline where- because he went back in time- the plague didn't happen. IE, in the end, he and everyone will else will realize that his future/present won't and can't change, but Cassie's future will and has, because they are two separate universes, essentially. I don't know, just a theory that might explain why everything already seems predestined, yet we know there are different timelines But you're right, it doesn't really affect the plot, necessarily.

Very much agree with this, and I think we already saw it in this episode, with Cole trying to enjoy those special moments at the museum. It is the reality of knowing he only has a few jumps left that really seems to be driving home what he'd just sort of taken for granted and shrugged off before- that he is going to cease to exist. I think it would be great to see him second guess that, and wonder if he should even be trying to change the future at all. It's like Ramse told him before when Cole said "Maybe things happen the way they do for a reason" and Ramse responded "If that's true, then why undo it at all?" I will say, though, it seemed as if Cass has forgiven Cole a little too quickly for killing Henri- I'd have liked to see a bit more done with that revelation and her reaction, but I suppose there is still time. And speaking of alternate Coles- it just occurred to me, playing on the notion of last week's alternate future- what if this Cole is already from an alternate future. IE, he saved (or saves) Cassie's timeline, but- in the nature of the predestination paradox- cannot ever save his own, really? They are parallel timelines, and he is jumping sideways, rather than lengthwise along the timelines?

I suspect what she'll bring to the table is that she'll end up taking Dominic's offer to work with him, then turn around and become a mole for Team Machine, because she was enlightened into helping people by Finch and Reese. Which would be great, if that little turnaround had been the least bit believable. Harper went from not caring and questioning Reese trying to pay off Dominic, then giving her little "helping people is stupid" speech to Harold, to suddenly deciding to put her life on the line to save the pothead- except that she was really pulling a huge scam to save herself and bring down the Cartel, I suppose. Yeah, I wasn't exactly wowed by her character. The actress did a decent job with the role, but the writing and motive wasn't there for me. Then again, this show does a fairly good job of laying groundwork that they later faithfully follow through on, so there may be more coming with Ms. Harper.

I was thinking the same thing. Frankly, there is a slew of people out there that could/should be recruited into this army. Where's Leon Tao been hiding? Team Machine could use his brand of wackiness to bait Samaritan with.

So is Root (and/or the Machine) hoping that the compression algorithm will somehow be able to destroy Samaritan? They're going to Middle Out Samaritan?

I'm fairly certain the Witness is someone we've already been introduced to, and while Cole is my leading suspect, I kind of wonder if it might not turn out to be Ramse instead. Ramse is made out to be the moral center of the storyline (or at least the future, with Cassie being the past/present one) so if something were to change that, or if Ramse decides that the future needs to stay as it is, that would put him at odds with Cole.