motorcitymom65

How is it fake news? That she has a successful business?

I think that Bravo agrees with this. I just don't. I do not think that Vicki is a strong anchor. At all. She is not well liked by the cast or the audience. She in not funny, likable, or interesting. What she is is ridiculous. On some shows you have it and it works. On the BH show it would be unthinkable to not have LVP in the cast, which I can say even though I am not always her biggest fan. She is just too central to everything, is beloved by the audience (to the point I sometimes throw up in my mouth), and the rest of the cast always wants to interact with her. Even if they don't like her, they want to be around her. Bethenny can say all kinds of things to the other girls, piss them off left and right, and they still want to be around her. This is not the case with Vicki. She doesn't make the show better in her own right. Ever. I think they keep Vicki around hoping that age old formula of "will they or won't they be friends again" will take hold and people will be hoping and praying for a Vicki/Tamra reconciliation. But I just don't think that most people give two shits. They want them to interact, because we like our HW's to travel in a pack, but most don't care if they are friends or not. This is not Kyle and LVP, where a good portion of the viewing audience just wanted them to be friends again. Because so many people cared about them. No. One. Cares.

On the one hand I am with you because I love the group stuff the most. But then it takes all of the reality out of our reality TV show. The answer, IMO, is to not hire and renew contracts for gals that no one likes. Quit bringing in people for them to film with like they do for Vicki. I read where Jac's contract wasn't renewed for this next season on the NJ show and she said that she was told she no longer had an "authentic connection to the rest of the cast". Fair enough. Of course she is also crazy and probably a thief, but that has never stopped Bravo from renewing a contract before. The lead chick on that franchise is crazy and a thief. The rule should be: If there are others that have reason to detest you, wish you weren't around, are completely offended by your very presence, and have been betrayed by you in ways that would make it impossible to actually interact with you in the real world, then you need to be gone girl.

I don't care about any of it at this point. JUST BRING HER THE FUCK BACK. This season totally and completely sucks. There is zero chance she is half as bad as what we having going on now. Vicki = cancer scammer. Kelly = racist.

It looks to me like Bethenny is taking this very seriously. She has given over her Twitter feed to it. And her FB page. She seems intent on making sure that she is updating anyone who might be interested constantly. Answering questions live on FB. Being transparent. Getting her partners like Arizona involved. I am seriously impressed.

I love her, but I don't think she rolls like that. Girl went on the Wendy Williams show (amid much controversy at the time, which she just brushed away). When you go on the Wendy Williams show, you are just one step away from being an honorary HW.

No one is stronger than MO. She has been linked to and accused of supporting much more controversial people than Erika (was Erika even on the list - I didn't even notice). My girl is going to stand up for what she believes and not worry one bit about what folks say. Once you have been called an "ape in heels" and just go about the business of being awesome, being called out in a request for charitable funds from a reputable and well thought of organization along side Erika isn't going to get you all bothered. I do wonder however if the folks she sent it to have been involved in the charity. Looks like she has been involved for several years so she is probably aware of who has supported them in the past. She included Martha Stewart and they are certainly not friends. Actually, the folks that she didn't include interests me as much as those she did. Hardly anyone from the NY show, no one from the OC show. She didn't include Heather Thomson and they are friends according to both of them. I am sure the list could have been much longer.

Who knows why she selected the women she did. Maybe they are people she knows already support this particular charity? I love Michelle Obama to pieces. She is my hero in many ways, but it would be hard to compile just a list of people that are that extraordinary in the way that she is extraordinary. Others are going to go on the list right along side her. And some do think that Erika is a strong woman.

My guess is that folks who give to this charity are comfortable with what is going on. Better to not help anyone if you cannot help everyone? And they are not going to be able to help everyone. Its nice when folks do what they can.

Wait. What? Is there a market for folks who want their skin to look like Vicki's?

Tinsley donated $10,000

I think she planned the trip with Lu and the Pirate? Of course she was also the first I remember to break the 4th wall about these trips. She had no idea that the house where they were staying was the same house she had stayed in years before with Anthony. So clearly, she didn't really plan it. But I think the purpose of the trip had something to do with her and she invited the others along. I could have that slightly wrong. ETA: I think that trip had something to do with that dude she was dating at the time. He had a gig there or something?

I think it is a good question - what does she do all day. Probably lots of stuff, but nothing that Bravo finds interesting enough to show to us. She seems to currently be focused on training for the NY Marathon so maybe we will see some of that, although I believe it takes place in early November, so not sure if they will be filming or not. But then I wonder this about most of these gals. Maybe because when this show started everyone pretty much had a day job, save for Lu, but she was busy letting her nanny raise her kids, so there is that. But what do most of them do all day long? As far as I can see, Ramona has no full time job any longer. No place to be every day. Certainly Dorinda doesn't. I guess Lu has her stuff with Evine, but that cannot take up that much of her time and we haven't heard about it on the show for a couple of years. What else is she doing? I don't think Sonja actually has anything that routinely fills her days. Tinsley said in the segment where she was looking for an apartment that she still had a day job, but Sonja said that all she did was shop all day long, so not sure about her. At the end of the day, it appears that only Bethenny actually has anything going on that fills her days. And still routinely - as a group - they are the most entertaining and interesting.

Ugh, the stuff with Gretchen. Tamra absolutely came across as so jealous of her, right from the very beginning. I think that Tamra was miserable in her marriage, struggling with issues related to her dead-beat son Ryan and the tensions they brought into the household, and faced with a younger and more beautiful (at least back then) gal on her turf. And she was nasty as hell to Gretchen, a person I didn't care for at all. But I think there was something else there. Tamra was a super sleuth long before Meghan joined the show. It seemed nasty and self-serving at the time in the ways she went about it, but she knew that Gretchen was a con artist right from the start. And if there is one thing I will give to Tamra - she has always hated the gals that are very fake on camera or pretending that their reality was different from what they portrayed on reality TV. Tamra was honest about her shitty marriage and the issues with her son. She was letting it all hang out long before Shannon was. And she was watching Gretchen craft this entire storyline that wasn't authentic. The same for Alexis, who barely had a pot to piss in, but went on and on about all of her possessions. While Tamra was showing the aftermath of an ugly divorce and being honest about the fact that she basically had no money and was moving into an apartment and her life was less than ideal. Just like she hated Gretchen and Alexis for the stories they were crafting, she detests Vicki for the same reason now. The fake cancer storyline. I think Tamra has in her history on the show been the most vile in many ways. I have disliked her more than any other HW (save for Vicki - no one will ever trump that). She has a lot of bad stuff on her resume. But I also think she has changed a lot in the last few years. She is so far from perfect. The deal with her daughter just turns my stomach. She needs to keep her name out of her mouth if that is what the daughter wants. I also get how hard that must be because the situation is agonizing. But she has to do it if she hopes for a relationship with her in the future. She handles this poorly in so many ways, even though I have a ton of empathy for what she is going through. But even though she doesn't handle it all in the best way, I have seen a ton of growth in her over the years. And it hasn't come about overnight, which would lead me to believe it is contrived. It has been a slow, steady process since she met and married Eddie. She seems truly happy and in love. Much more focused on the important stuff in life than in the shit that makes no difference.

I agree this franchise is different, and also agree that Heather changed the overall dynamic in a big way because of her aim to get to know them all on camera as well as off (except Sonja - she said they never really had a big connection off the show). But I also think that Carole did the same. She tends to become close to the women off camera as well. We have seen it with Heather, Lu (she said they often hung out at Lu's Hampton pad), Bethenny, and now Tinsley. After her first season she talked in her blog about how she had spent a lot of time with Ramona in the off season getting to know her better and becoming close to some to Ramona's friends (she surprised me by saying that despite what we saw on TV from Ramona, that she had a group of loyal and loving friends and that seeing her with them had given her a different view of Ramona). She has formed a bond with Dorinda that is deep. I think that this goes a long way in making the vibe what it is, when there is one, or two people, that actually care about the others outside of just what is going on in the show.