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It was a girlhood crush that she never outgrew. I'm currently rereading the book (again!). This is from the scene where Scarlett has sneaked into Melanie's room to read Ashley's letters: The war interrupted what would have eventually been a maturing past the crush, I bet, especially when Melanie became mistress of Twelve Oaks, and Scarlett was forced to see her and Ashley regularly. ** Someone upthread mentioned India Wilkes having no "job skills," except she does. We don't know for how long, but she became mistress of Twelve Oaks after her mother died and had to have been managing the household with her father, just as Ellen was the real manager of Tara.

Are you saying I shouldn't ignore "Gypsy" (my GPS) when I go a different way from the way she tells me? 😀 Is she going to exact revenge one of these days? I thought the etching of the K-1 robot on the desk of the president of the company had the designation "K-1." I still think K-1 in the household ended up being Kaylon Primary, much the way Ceasar, the first ape to vocalize "no" became the leader of the apes in the Planet of the Apes movies.

I think K-1 that was with the family was Kaylon Primary that we saw in "Identity," especially since we were following his journey to sentience. He might not have been the very first K-1 model, but I'm thinking he was the leader once the Kaylon decided to exterminate the biologicals. And even if it occurred hundreds or thousands of years ago, the Kaylon don't die unless they are shot up or shut down. The Kaylons have different costumes this season (someone posted a photo in the season 1 episode thread showing how different Isaac looks), so I don't think that the actor was already fitted for a costume really mattered. I still think the K-1 we saw became Kaylon Primary, the leader of all the Kaylon. I've always compared the Borg Queen to the queen of a beehive -- she's the one all the other bees serve. I think Kaylon Primary is the same.

I love time travel stories. I love how they mind-fuck me. I love paradoxes like the Orville got a message from Gordon five months after he was sent back, but then rescued him one month after he was sent back, so how could he have sent the message in the first place? They make my head hurt but in a good way. I'm a believer in parallel universes, where every decision we make branches off into a separate universe. (One of the few Worf-centric episodes I liked from TNG is "Parallels," in which Worf keeps universe hopping.) The future that 5-month Gordon sent the message to no longer exists once 1-month Gordon was rescued, and the timeline has diverged slightly. Does the 10-year future where Gordon married and had children still exist? Somewhere, it does. While I appreciate that this episode gave Scott Grimes a chance to shine, it once again involved crew acting stupid. Gordon has to run all the way from the bridge to wherever the time machine is to shut it down and barely makes it in time. I wonder if instead there might have been something Ed could have used, oh, I don't know, something like an intraship communications device where he could have just ordered someone nearer to the equipment to get in there and shut it down. I know a lot of people found Ed and Kelly to be heartless bastards with Gordon, but personally, I loved how hard-ass they were. After their unprofessional behavior and conduct unbecoming officers in previous episodes, they finally showed their professionalism and dedication to whatever oaths they had to swear when they joined the Union's equivalent of Starfleet and became officers on a Union ship.

I hate the character, and the actress drags down any scene she's in. Her nonexistent acting ability really showed when she had to interact with not one, but two faceless robots with LEDs for eyes and came up third in believability. Both Christopher Larkin (Timmis) and Mark Jackson (Isaac) acted rings around her. Maybe from now on they should just show her gazing reflectively out a porthole instead of doing any sort of "acting." (Why did Calculon from "Futurama" just spring to mind?) By and large, I like Claire and her no-nonsense character, but I hated her here. She was wrong. Period. From her petulant question to Isaac when they were meeting for dinner -- "Aren't you going to change?" (because she prefers him in human guise than his true form) -- to insisting that he change his entire character with the addition of the emotion subroutine because it's a sign that he loved her. While I'm not squicked out about their relationship, to me it's not more different from falling in love with your vibrator. She'd have more emotional interaction with Yaphit than Isaac. A troubling trend I've noticed in season 3 is that the plot of the week requires at least some of the crew to act stupid. Gordon and Ed gathering the Janisis' luggage might have been a good sight gag, except for the fact that there was no reason they couldn't have gotten four other crewmen to carry the luggage or a cart or something (and implicit in gag was the number of bags -- women always be overpacking, amirite?) I did like that there appear to be nonaligned planets or systems that aren't Union or Krill or some other empire (like the Federation, the Klingons, and the Romulans). That requires more diplomatic maneuvering on the part of the Union. (Again with the stupid, as others have pointed out -- if not a woman-captained ship, then at least a female admiral or diplomat to lead the delegation.) I did not think that Timmis was K-1, but that K-1 was Kaylon Primary, who appeared to be, in effect, the Borg Queen of all Kaylons. Interestingly, IMDb says that K-1 was acted by Graham Hamilton, who was Kaylon Primary in "Identity" (which I think reinforces my belief that K-1 was Kaylon Primary, not Timmis). I must confess to some Charly-prejudice in thinking that Timmis's character change was just a Kaylon ploy. I really liked his explanation of Kaylon history. The Kaylon biologicals were a rather ugly species. I'm tired of all members of an alien race looking so much alike.

Because, by and large, all dolls are evil. 😉

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I think that's because by the end of a show's run, the characters have been "Flanderized," so their original defining characteristics have been distilled down to one (e.g., Joey on "Friends" going from not the sharpest tool in the toolshed to being too stupid to know how to breathe). Flanderization

Do you also hope Seth MacFarlane doesn't read these forums too? He's been called a bad actor numerous times. Personally, I think he's fine. I think Anne Winters is just bad. Mark Jackson plays a robot with no face and glowing dots for eyes and manages to emote more with just his hands and body language than she does with a full range of facial expressions.

Please stop trying to make Charly happen. She's just awful. As an actress. As a character. It's a one-note performance (although I suppose in addition to hating Isaac she's some kind of spatial genius, but all that comes through is hating Isaac). She's like a stone in a well-worn shoe, constantly irritating your foot. However, Talla, I felt, fit right in. (In fact, I like Talla better than Alara.) Interesting that Talla and John were flirting. In the alternate timeline, John and Alara had had a relationship. Maybe he's got a thing for physically strong women. I was totally hoping thinking that Charly was going to bite the dust too. Personally, I love how heavy-handed this episode was with regard to current issues. People need to wake the fuck up and realize the status quo is dead, and we're under attack by people of Telaya's ilk. While I enjoyed the episode, I do kind of wonder at how easily an entire fleet of Union ships was able to penetrate Krill space and reach their homeworld without being challenged once. Presumably, the Krill home planet is deep within their territory, not right on the border. Also, what was with Claire having to do some micro-technobabble to make them look like Krill? In the episode where Gordon and Ed go spying on a Krill ship, they used holo emitters to look like Krill, if I recall correctly, I kind of liked that Telaya had hoodwinked Ed that she had changed. Some people just let hate fill their lives, and she's one of them. He was responsible for her brother's death.

I've always thought the Orville looked like the giant colossal squid from American Dad, which is another Seth MacFarlane show. 😀

Actually, that's been my philosophy/belief for a while now. The universe is too vast for this to be the only plane of existence.

I like Bob's Burgers, and I like how the kids all seem to love and support each other, but I don't disagree with your assessment of the Belcher children. They've dialed up Gene's oedipal tendencies to 11, and it's uncomfortable to watch. (The only reason he's not going to actually sleep with Linda as an adult is because psycho Teddy has killed Bob and is keeping Linda as a sex slave in his basement.) Tina is already a serial sexual harasser and the family seems to accept it instead of telling her that her relentless and unwelcome pursuit of Jimmy Jr. is wrong and will eventually get her into a #MeToo situation. Louise is a sociopath who is just one dead rabbit from becoming a future serial killer.

She did grow Gordon a new leg, so broken bones would be a piece of cake.

I'm with Ed: I would want to live forever because I want to see what happens. Human lifespans are so short when compared to cosmic time. I want to explore the sands of Mars, soar in the clouds of Jupiter, watch the suns rise on Alpha Centauri, see how humankind develops. My own mortality is on my mind these days the older I get, and it makes me melancholy to think of all I'll never see and learn.

I think Fox marketed it as a Star Trek parody, because they only showed the funny bits in trailers during season 1, but it's never been a straight-up comedy or even a parody. I believe it was always intended to be an homage to Star Trek because Seth Macfarlane is a fan of Trek. I agree. Gordon's fear should have been the plane, and Ed probably high school. Since Talla was fake, it didn't really matter whether the last scenario was on her home planet or not. (I had thought it was odd that Talla didn't know what kind of creature lived in it if the lake was supposed to be on Xelaya,) In the episode where Alara programs the holodeck (or the Orville equivalent) with fears from the crew to test herself, wasn't Kelly's fear falling or darkness or something like that? Being pulled into a deep lake would qualify. As a side note, I much prefer Talla to Alara as security chief. I like the actress better and she fits the role as security chief much better than Halston Sage ever did. I figured out pretty early that it was probably some advanced alien species controlling the events, but the TOS episode "Shore Leave" sprung to mind first: that it was a pleasure planet but the alien race didn't understand humans enough to differentiate fear and pleasure. That it was the Kelly-worshipping interphasing planet was a nice touch, but when the representative started talking about their past, I thought for sure she was going to say that they were doing this to get back at Kelly and the Orville for interfering with their planet's development and putting them through centuries of religious oppression because of her stupidity. Agreed. Seth needs to stop giving major roles to his girlfriend du jure. She's a bad actress and the character is unpleasant. She's mouthed off to her captain several times, and in this episode, she talked back to the officer in temporary command. She should be busted down to janitor on a garbage scow, not be navigator on an exploration ship like Orville. When John made the decision not to send another search party, she didn't whine again about not leaving crew behind. Her prejudice makes her a bad crew member and interferes with her work. Break up with her already, Seth, and write her off. I think my definition of barren must be different from the Union's. To me, a barren rocky planet is totally devoid of everything, including an atmosphere.

Since we don't know timelines on this show, it's quite possible that Christina was still employed at MaxDot until after their fiscal year ended, so as an employee during that time, she's entitled to her bonus. I think the word "bonus" was misused, since it appeared that only the family got bonuses (although this year, it included Kofo). What I found more peculiar is that apparently the only "upper management" is the Wheelers, which includes Dot as -- what? the CEO or chairman of the board? -- Bob is the CEO as far as I can tell, Douglas was HR, and Christina was marketing. Since Douglas's demotion to the warehouse floor, does that mean no one does HR anymore? That's unlikely. (Although maybe that is so, since Dot is increasingly shown to be a throwback to robber barons of old, who believed in exploiting the workers as much as they could get away with. I'd love to see a storyline where the MaxDot employees unionize.) I don't think Christina is poaching Goodwin. I'm sure he went to her of his own free will, because he was unsatisfied by his treatment at MaxDot, and I don't blame him. At the very least, Goodwin is middle management as manager of the warehouse floor and should have been given something. It's almost as though the writers never even heard of Google to see how a corporation can be structured.

Nurse Park was turned into one of those spider things.☹️ I liked him in his small recurring role. I knew this would be a horror movie, full of standard horror movie tropes, which doesn't mean it wasn't scary at times. Things crawling on the walls or ceiling always creep me out. The biggest trouble with this episode is that it required people to be stupid and act stupidly.

When Charley was whining about her dead superior officer and complaining that Isaac's sacrifice meant nothing, why didn't Ed point out that her superior officer sacrificed her life for Charley? So people do put others above their own survival. Also, I couldn't help but think what a poor ship design it was that a stuck life pod had to be manually launched from inside the ship. That guarantees someone dies while trying to escape. I was planning to get Paramount+ for SNW, but the more I read episode summaries, the more I'm disappointed. The use of TOS legacy characters (Uhura, Chapel, M'Benga) and the dismantling already of canon (a Khan Noonien Singh descendant) just strikes me as lazy on the part of the writers. Introduce new characters, not rely on existing characterizations. I'll stick to The Orville for my Trek fix.

Thank you! I thought I was imagining it. Maybe he was also refitted while the Orville was in space dock. Does Isaac have free will? Did he have it before? He was a machine programmed by Kaylon Prime to perform a function. When they felt he had completed it, they turned him off. They only turned him back on at the crew's request. After he was rebooted, he started to act contrary to his programming and turned against his own people to save the humans. I was a little disappointed that the crew turned him back on after he "committed suicide." I hate when shows do something shocking like that but reverse it by episode's end. I thought Gordon telling Charley he was uncomfortable with Isaac was a way for him to ferret out information to see if she was behind any sort of organized campaign against Isaac. After all, in one of the previous seasons, he turns in an old friend for terrorism against the Krill. I expected there to be an accident when Gordon was testing the new fighter that Charley would then blame on Isaac. The same with all the time wasted on the hull plating or whatever they were doing.

That's odd. I thought a second season had already been greenlit.

Let's not forget he did the theme to the original Cosmos too, which still gives me chills.

Everything Oprah does is about herself. I remember trying to watch her "salute" to Mary Tyler Moore when Mary died. I turned it off in disgust when I realized it was a "tribute" to how much MTM meant to Oprah. Related to MTM, I don't think her show is a classic. Mary always seemed on the verge of tears and it was annoying.

If Starbuck was an angel, she was the shittiest angel in heaven. Why was Lee so special that both Dee and Starbuck had to make sure he was OK? Dee blows her own brains out before they find the second Earth.

I'm not as thorough as @Popples, and I don't know seasons, but here are some of my favorites: "Crawl Space" "Art Crawl" "Sheesh! Cab, Bob" "Bob Fires the Kids" "Bad Tina" "Beefsquatch" "It Snakes a Village" "Seaplane!" "Mazel-Tina" "Dream a Little of Bob," but mostly for the complicated hand-slapping song. Like most shows, the earlier episodes are better.