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No kidding. How did they manage to answer a question specifically about Emma and her relationships with a response that was all about how excited they are with the Regina character? It tells you just how interested they are in dealing with the character of Emma. She got one sentence in that entire paragraph response. And then there's this: I didn't see that at all. When did everyone decide they wanted to stay in Storybrooke and that it was home? And then they contradict themselves later in the interview by saying that not everyone wants to stay in town. By which I assume they mean non-main characters, but still. Whatever guys.

It's not a heteronormative assumption to believe that people would not see a romantic pairing between two characters when in the very first episode one of those characters is literally trying to murder the other as a newborn baby and ends up destroying her entire childhood. It's not about whether these two characters are gay or straight, the story from the very outset puts the two at complete odds with one a psychotic killer and the other her victim. Even if one were male and the other female, does anyone honestly think the person writing the story would write it this way if they had any thoughts towards these two being totally meant for each other, true loves and soulmates for all time? And if it were only about a completely non-canon ship being mistreated then Lana Parilla should get just as much hate and backlash as Jennifer Morrison and that's not the case. Jen is stuck with a bunch of disgruntled Evil Regal Swan Queeners while Lana gets mostly love from them, so there's clearly something else at work here. Ship what you want, amuse yourself finding all the subtext you can and post it on tumblr or fanfic sites, but leave these poor actors alone.

Especially the spoilers from this show because the fantasy element means that pretty much any crazy prediction could be right. I'd love it if they could do something just to mess with people. I've always wondered what the speculation would have been like if the Hook/Rumpel hug in Season 2 had occurred out in the open where people could have taken it and run with it? The spoiler speculation is often more fun than the actual show most of the time. On the topic of actual spoilers, why is it that no one can provide a decent photo of Hook's footwear? Does no one understand that this is important to me? The one pic I saw with a full shot looks like it's possible the boots were changed but it's not clear. I hate Hook's boots with a passion. The overly long look with the curved end combined with Colin's pointy ears makes it really elfin and they need to be consigned to the rubbish bin posthaste.

Hook blackmailing Rumpel over the dagger seems really contrived. First, why wouldn't Rumpel just mindwipe him and make him forget about it or you know, make something tragic happen to Hook? Second, Hook is also really not that stupid. He knows Rumpel is both crazy and powerful and now that he's not Suicidal!Hook, I don't see why he'd risk it all for a little gain. I really hope that's not what's going on and that there's something else at play.

Considering Colin's advice to Hook was to lose the leather pants, I'd say his new outfit will not have leather pants if he has anything to say about it. Those have to be hella uncomfortable for him to wear. How is it that not one person can get a decent quality shot?

I think Henry's wanting his fake memories must have to do with the potential psycho Regina situation because Henry & Emma were very solid and if something went seriously wrong in that relationship (and it would have to be really drastic), Emma wouldn't be out kissing the pirate and going on dates instead of working to fix things with her son. I'd bet they've put Henry in a situation somewhere along the lines of what he felt in "Desperate Souls" where he was deliberately avoiding Emma because he didn't want Regina to murder her like Graham. Having fake memories of a normal life where he didn't worry about his mother killing everyone he loved would seem really nice in comparison to Henry's real memories. Henry is also growing up and spent a year as a non-believer, so the young boy who was impressed with the wonder of fairy tales and magic being real has been replaced by a teen/pre-teen who can see that good doesn't always win (his dad died) and the much scarier reality of so much power in the hands of unstable people. Emma wore a sheer red blouse over a black bra in Season 1, so it's nothing new in terms of wardrobe for her character.

So I have a random question that I can only ask strangers because otherwise it gets awkward. Very recently, my brother and his fiancee asked me to be the maid of honor in their wedding which is occurring in about six weeks. The bride has been married before, but this is the first marriage for my brother. My question is whether I am now supposed to plan some sort of girls night for the bride (not a shower, that's right out). Since my brother is still a bachelor, he is getting a night out and I'm not sure if that makes it weird if his girlfriend doesn't get something too even if this is her second go at marriage. Anyone have any ideas on what's appropriate or expected in this situation? Further complications include the fact that I live over a thousand miles away from them and I don't know the bride very well and I don't really think she has many if any of her own friends, so planning is difficult. Am I a horrible person if I don't organize something?

I'd kind of like to see a Milah and her men episode. I know the woman is despised by a good portion of the fandom, but I'd really like to see the dynamics of her relationships with Hook, Rumpel and young Bae. In particular, it would help to inform the current romantic relationships we see with both Rumbelle and Captain Swan. I've always wondered if Rumpel ever thinks about how he treats Belle compared to Milah. By which I mean, does he have awareness that his actions had a role in Milah leaving him and does he actively consider adjusting his behavior to avoid the same situation with Belle? Does he ever worry that Belle might get bored with him and seek adventure with a hot new man? I know they have true love and all, but Rumpel is all kinds of insecure about certain things, so I'd find it interesting if they could do a parallel between the two. I also so badly want to know how the Killian/Milah relationship worked. And I want to know how she related with her young son before she left him.

At the time Emma found out about it, it was already over, so other than a glad you're not dead, I'm not sure what she was supposed to do. At that point, a full grown adult who had expressed that he didn't want to distract from the mission was fine, while her 11 year old son was still in the clutches of an evil Pan. Priorities, Emma has them. Emma had also just been told the pirate was in love with her, her mother didn't find their relationship fulfilling and had told her ex she wished him dead, so her takeaway from David's confession as I almost died but I'm fine now is pretty low on the things to worry about compared to the other things going on. I would also note that Emma was the one who went around and found a way to get David home, while he and Snow were instead picking out the perfect tree to build their house in. Emma's actions showed she cared, while Snowing's actions pretty much wrote Emma off. At least show some fight, people. It's this kind of writing that makes it all crap because a character's inaction is just as relevant as a character's actions, but I don't think the writers see it this way. I also don't think there is a single writer who understands or champions the Charmings/Emma complex relationship, so it just becomes a mishmash of whatever is needed to get to a certain plot point. For example, I don't think they see Snow's Echo Cave confession as anything other than a way to make Ginny's pregnancy fit the plot. Otherwise, they would have bothered to have Snow & Emma discuss it at some point and instead it was completely ignored.

That the finale was entirely disconnected from the rest of 3B is the only reason I'm willing to try out Season 4. However, the ending of the finale didn't make me excited for next season either. I couldn't care less about Frozen and endless Regina love triangle angst makes me want to throw up, so they failed to really engage my interest in future stories. We'll see.

Considering the best anyone could come up with when I asked if there was ever a time in the show where either Snow or David said "I love you" to Emma was a passive use of Snow saying to the larger group that she loved Emma in Echo Cave immediately followed by "but it's not what I wanted", the show has done a very piss poor job of making clear to the audience that yes, these parents love their child. But there was a very clear difference in the way Emma saw the relationship and the way Snowing viewed the relationship. For Emma, who'd never had a family. living together and being friends and being able to trust these people was great and she was good with that. She didn't need or want heavy emotions and a deeper connection to be content with the relationship. Snow seemed more like she desperately wanted/needed that connection because that's what family means to her and Emma wasn't really capable of providing that. Then you had Snowing planning to leave Storybrooke regardless of Emma's decision of whether to stay or go, so the idea that Emma was planning on staying as a family in Storybrooke doesn't matter because Snowing was off to the Enchanted Forest. And even worse, one of reasons stated onscreen for their return was so they could have adventures together. Because abandoning your daughter again to have adventures is so much better than developing a relationship with her. If there was so much love for their daughter, there should have at least been serious angsting about the decision to return home. That there wasn't gives more evidence that Snowing really don't care all that much about Emma.

What's so weird is that they were supposedly paralleling Emma & Snow, but what was the peak moment between the two in the present where Emma accepts being a Lost Girl was originally written as an Emma/Hook scene per the commentary . Knowing that they initially wrote it where they didn't even really connect Snow's past to Emma's crisis in the present, it shows that these writers had no real grasp on whatever parallel they claim to have been drawing between the two. I just didn't really see a parallel between Snow's self doubt and Emma's complete identity crisis. They are totally separate things. And having Emma accept being a Lost Girl by having her tell us about her childhood experiences instead of showing them to us still pisses me off. They just wrote Snowing v Regina part 342384 and pretended that it fit into an episode where Emma needs to accept her orphan status. If you're going to ignore Emma's backstory, why not at least do some sort of Neverland fairyback about the Lost Boys or focus on Bae's time there? This was one of the better episodes of the entire season, but it's also one of the most disappointing in terms of where it could have gone both in helping the audience better understand Emma and with more development of the Emma/Snow relationship.

Wouldn't Rumpel have to have been the one who urned Elsa? Why else would she be looking at the newspaper announcing the Rumbelle wedding with anger?

Robert said Henry was in the shop very late at night, so I'm assuming he snuck out. Also, if Henry is upset about his father, maybe someone should point out to Snowing that their naming his uncle Neal is now a constant reminder to Henry of what he's lost. It'll never happen, but I'm still so burned that they didn't think through the implications and painful memories associated with Neal to even bother to ask Emma if she (and Henry too) would be okay with it.

I think for Henry there's also the aspect of whatever happens in the diner post-Marian reveal. It sounds like Regina tries to just get out of there when Marian freaks out, but if Henry goes off to console his mother and she just goes all crazy about everything blaming and threatening anyone especially Emma, Henry would not react well. That would all occur overnight. So we go from Henry seeing everyone semi-getting along and the initial happiness of getting his memory back to everything going to hell and remembering what it was all like - just like when Emma said she'd forgotten what it was like there with its wicked witches and time traveling holy wars. It wouldn't be unrealistic for him to start feeling unhappy really quickly once he starts really thinking about things because it would all snowball on him - Neal, Regina, Pan, etc.

@Souris I'm talking about this one. Someone took a picture of the actual script from the scene where Mary Margaret and Emma are walking with Baby Snowflake. Also, I know that they won't do it, but I would laugh so hard if now that Emma's finally willing to stay in Storybrooke, Henry starts advocating ditching everyone and going back to New York. Like the kid finally discovered some brains and understands it's dangerous in Storybrooke and there's nothing preventing them coming back and visiting everyone once in a while, so why not head back to the city where he's normal and has friends and his mom isn't trying to kill his other mom.

@Souris It's nice that they are finally releasing "Prairie Girl" since it is the original book that Laura wrote before the publishers made her change it into a less dark and truthful story for the Little House series. If you're interested, there's a Little House readalong going on in the book section and also discussions of the books/show in comparison to the actual reality in the Little House part of this forum. It's interesting reading. I haven't read the books for a long time, but I had no idea Pa was such a shady character in real life.

I can understand why Henry might think using a magical solution to replace his bad memories with good ones would make the pain go away. I seem to remember his grandmother doing the same thing. I'm glad that the show isn't going to sweep the fact that Henry had a happy normal life in New York under the rug because it's unrealistic that this kid who was lonely and a misfit and abused in Storybrooke would just happily jump right into that again without a lot of struggles. He also lost his father and he actually remembers him and knows that his dad died trying to get back to him. That's pretty rough stuff for a kid to process. Emma was having a tough time with it all as well and she's much better equipped to handle that emotionally than her pre-teen son. This also doesn't seem like it's a one off thing with Henry because that leaked script page of the premiere had Mary Margaret remarking that Henry seemed fine with it all and Emma saying something like actually no, so this may be Henry's story arc for 4A.

I think with Snow in particular a big problem is that she's never been allowed to have an emotional breakdown over everything that's happened. You get occasional moments where she cries about a specific thing like not knowing how to comfort Emma in "Nasty Habits" because she was never her mother, but we've never seen it all just hit her and show her trying to deal with the overwhelming pain that has to exist from all this crap. Regina cries every fifteen seconds to remind us of how terrible her life has been, but Snow doesn't get that opportunity and it does make her seem less human. It puts me in this position where I don't have a clue what Snow is thinking because her actions don't make sense based on the history I've seen on the show. Somewhere they've got to show the emotional turmoil, let the pain and anger and yes, hate come out. I'd say that there is potential for her to start to fully realize everything she lost when she starts actually being a mother to Baby Snowflake, but I doubt the writers are interested in any of that. It would be so nice to see Snow understand that having a do over baby really doesn't fix the feelings she's had about not getting to be a mommy or having missed Emma's firsts. Or that her inability to connect with Emma isn't just a result of not knowing how to be a mother. This show needs to have Snow recognize how terrible it all was and confront Regina about it. It needs to happen to redeem Snow's character and also to finally force Regina into some self-awareness if they want Regina to be redeemed as well. If the Snow/Regina relationship is what the writers consider the main dynamic in the show, they absolutely have to address all the horror that Regina has inflicted on Snow. And it can't be Regina saying it's complicated and Snow shrugging it all off because she was a brat. Sorry, but fuck the writers for that conversation in "Bleeding Through" because I will never get over how sick it is that Snow apologized again to Regina and accepted some blame for the endless torment Regina has forced on Snow and her completely innocent daughter. Yeah Snow, Regina is such a victim of your evil ways. I have so much hate for that conversation.

Rose McIver is playing “Skank With Attitude” and “Horny Mourner” in the Veronica Mars web series spin off, Play It Again, Dick which looks absolutely ridiculous, but I'll totally be watching.

The fact that Pan never messed with Regina really bothered me. Somehow Regina managed to avoid having to do anything even remotely emotionally strenuous in 3A. She even got out of the Echo Cave revelations. Her little thing with Tinkerbell didn't really do anything other than have her realize that perhaps her past actions might now have consequences, but of course they didn't because Tink joined right up with everyone with little convincing, so no negative consequences there. Shocker. But how is it that Regina managed to stay off of Pan's radar? Regina is easily the most easily manipulated character among all of the Nevengers, so she should have been the first person Pan picked on to sow discontent in the team. Her never having to deal with Pan's mind games is a major disappointment for the Neverland arc.

While I agree that Snow screwed up in her approach to Emma in "Broken", I'm not sure it was bossy or at least out of character to act the way she did. She knew as Mary Margaret that Emma had been looking for her parents her whole life, she knew that Emma considered her (Mary Margaret) family and Snow is a person who everywhere she turns meets strangers who become instant BFFs. I don't think anyone that Snow has met in her bandit backstory has ever had the type of walls Emma has or the ability to shut down emotionally like Emma. She just didn't understand how Emma could not be excited and happy that her friend really was her mother and wanted to know why. Maybe she even felt like she needed to know right now so that she could try to fix it. I also believe that she wasn't really comprehending how the whole fairy tales are real thing had just completely thrown Emma because as newly uncursed Snow, everything was completely believable and not at all strange, so she wasn't really looking at the whole picture with regards to her daughter and came on way too strong. While David, who wasn't very close to Emma at all, could see the huge blinking Warning! Keep Out! signs flashing all around Emma and was smart enough to heed them and warn Snow to heed them as well, Snow just ignored it and pushed for answers because she was used to being able to call Emma out and demanding answers since she'd done it as Mary Margaret. It's pretty typical Snow White behavior to push and seem rather demanding about what she wants/needs. I think Emma is one of the few people who doesn't give in to it or change her opinions to whatever Snow thinks. As said above, David occasionally questions Snow but usually he backs down and goes along with it (see: questions about Zelena the Friendly Midwife's references). But with Emma, she just does what she wants because in her mind, Snow's actions/opinions are often naive and stupid. She doesn't really even bother to argue with her mother about it. Look at the diner speech. Emma makes valid points several times about why Snow's plan was stupid and only pretends to buy into it in the end. Snow was all proud that Emma had bought into her silly reasoning and Emma was fine with letting her think that. Ultimately though Snow had actually had zero effect on Emma's decision. I highly doubt the writers intentionally write it this way, but maybe it is the residual monarchy stuff that affects everyone and makes them defer to Snow - all except Emma who grew up in a place that doesn't recognize the opinions of royalty as being more worthy than anyone else and thinks all this fairy tale stuff is crazy anyway.

There are times in shows where a character gets diminished in some way unintentionally, but the writers for Once have done it to Emma very deliberately. It's a very, very big reason why I really hated the Regina "redemption" story line. They diminished Emma, one of Regina's biggest victims, to prop up Regina. That's wrong on so many levels. Emma is so damaged and broken and they took away everything that made her special so that a psychopathic villain could have an unearned shining moment of heroism. In what I think is more of an unintentional loss of Emma's importance, they've had so much magical malarkey going on in Storybrooke that Emma is completely out of her depth in her own world, whereas Emma should be the expert on all things real world and everyone else, even with a real world download, should feel a bit off kilter. It's no wonder Emma feels so removed from everyone and everything in Storybrooke. All of her knowledge and experience is essentially worthless and certain characters never let her forget it.

I guess i can't fault the writers on this if Ginny has requested a lesser role due to the new baby. Josh doesn't have the physical issues surrounding having a baby, but he may not be real keen to work 16 hour days either. He may want to enjoy being a daddy. Since it seems that they're giving David a separate story (and a non-Snow related friend!), I can see where Snowing won't get their own story outside of the baby. I'm just happy that they may actually show that David has a life outside of Snow.

@Camera One If they wanted to reach the same conclusion, all they needed to do was have everyone go with Emma's eventual reasoning for trying to save Regina. Henry just lost a father, let's try not to have him lose a mother in the same day. It's still suicidal, selfish and stupid, but it doesn't paint Snow as the dumbest person ever about Cora's death. It still throws the peasantry under the bus, but at least it's less stupid than I killed Cora, so we need to take the "harder path" here or whatever. Hook would still have taken off with the bean because Henry not losing a mother (particularly when that mother is the Evil Queen) is basically a crazy notion to risk his life for and he's not stupid enough to go along with it. Basically, just remove the whole Cora/harder paths crap and everything still plays out the same.