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I feel about as certain of Toby making it to Maine as Aria and Fitz making it to Italy. Or if he does arrive he won't even have time for some clam chowder or lobster before he's pulled back to Rosewood. I just don't see him making the great escape any more than the rest of them. The big bone MK threw to the Scoby shippers last night being that Toby built the house for her. Somewhere before this is all said and done Yvonne will either bite the bullet or leave him upon some discovery...or hell she'll be A for a season. But it seems pretty clear she's a disposable character and frankly they can dispose of her as soon as they like and it would suit me just fine. Same here! On top of all the stupid mistakes these girls make in the mystery aspect of the show, continuing a relationship (friends or more) with this creep is an even bigger mistake. They might as well stick a final knife in Caleb's character by having him sex Jenna up next episode so he can gain access to her... No, not gonna go there; it's just too easy ;-) (All of the puns 100% intended) #Hello #LionelLiar #IsItMeYoureLookingFor Seriously, when they hashtaged Jessica's liar, I knew this show had finally given up on it's adult audience and were officially writing this shit for the preteens. This has become just farcical. And is that where all the rest of the missing parents are...Hiding out in their liars?!?! The only thing worthwhile this show has going for it anymore are the good looks of Noel and Jason.

If Noel Kahn is A.D., then Marlene King must want us to root for him instead of the Liars. I mean, seriously, if I have to choose between these dimwits that have been running around learning nothing for the last 7 seasons and that hottie...well may Noel Kahn rule. Bonus points if he offed Shower.

Now that would have been awesome and showed that the girls really did gain some wisdom after all their trials and tribulations, but of course they remain dense. At this point their conversations do all feel the same. I liked them in the beginning but then Caleb became such a douche and now I'd like to see Spencer move on to someone better. Caleb can go back to Ravenswood any time now. Incidentally, I was so bored with this episode I tuned out many times only to realize at the end that it must have all taken place in one day as Aria was still wearing that hideous top in the closing scene as she was in the opening.

My hubs and I watched this show as well as old X-files episodes on Netflix concurrently. I was quite impressed with how different GA's acting/characters were. I never once thought of Scully when watching Stella and vice versa. That being said though, I can't say I was always a fan of Stella. I agree w/the poster that said she was broken rather than sexually liberated. Should they do a 3rd season, that line of character development should surely be explored. I was rather bothered in this final episodes by Stella's comments about Sally-Anne. For someone who often seemed to take up a feminist cause, her lack of sympathy for Sally was a bit appalling, particularly in comments along the lines that Sally was dumb and uninquisitive simply because she was innocent of knowing her husband was a serial killer. The implication of course was the Stella was much wiser and intuitive, above her in her estimation so I'll admit taking joy out of Spector verbally knocking Stella down a bit when he accused her of not understanding his situation and further pointing out her spinster nature. While clearly unhinged, Paul might very well have been right in that analysis of Stella. She thinks she's smarter and better than she really is. She really didn't understand Sally-Anne's position--that of as a mother of young kids and a neo-natal nurse working different shifts in a high stress profession. I never really saw Sally-Anne as naive. Simply she was a busy working mother with small children. Most wives wouldn't consider their husband the serial killer, even if one was on the loose. Especially so after Paul fed her the line about the babysitter affair. She was knocked off her feet by that alone, as most women would if they weren't already suspecting an affair. I honestly felt bad for Sally-Anne. The police trailed her for days and saw no evidence of her abetting Paul; she merely got caught up in a lie he asked her to make. Stella was particularly cold too upon learning that Sally lost her baby during incarceration and might not make an exciting witness against him after all. I was glad to see Sally not acknowledge Stella when Olivia was returned to her, and found myself hoping that Sally sued the department for the damages to her house as well as for emotion distress that caused her miscarriage, whether she wanted the baby or not. Though I don't know how Ireland's laws work in that manner, in the US I'd imagine she'd have a rather sensational case.

Ah but will Nicole crash the engagement party or will Liam? Dun, dun, dun...the plot thickens! Maybe, Liam will find Nicole and expose the skeevy high school teen-adult relationship to all of Fitz's readers. And of course it will happen right after those little words, "Does anyone here object to this union?"

I love (insert sarcasm) how Aria is so dumb and self-absorbed that she's worried about going to jail and robbing him of their HEA instead of the fact that his MISSING girlfriend might be somewhere trying to call out (literally) for help. If someone is going to die on this episode please let it be Shower Harvey. please, please

I was a little surprised Caleb actually told Toby he was leaving. I guess it was a bro-code thing but ya gotta wonder how Caleb spun his version of events seeing as how Toby didn't seem pissed at Caleb. If anything, he seemed understanding. Me thinks Caleb twisted things to make himself look like a victim. Me also thinks Caleb didn't add before plowing out of town, "And hey man, don't look at Spencer in any sexy dresses while I'm gone either." THIS! Bugged me to no end. How self centered, rude, and inconsiderate. As teens I gave them some leeway but as college graduate adults I have nothing but disgust when they pull stuff like this. And I also felt bad for Emily's girl. It's clear the Liars are still not mature enough to be in adult relationships. They just keep digging themselves deeper (literally) further into this A mess when it's past time to let the police and lawyers handle it and go on with your life. Speaking of things that bugged me in this episode...Allie's cat sweatshirt. My god, what was that!? So unflattering, immature, and utterly distracting. If only her students could see her. "Look, it's crazy cat lady, Mrs. Rowlins!" And Allie's over 18; why couldn't any other competent adult (aside from her crazy aunt) simply stay with her for a set time upon her release to make sure she's okay??? Oh wait, there are NO competent adults in Rosewood.

I’ve said this before but each episode makes me say it again—Caleb is a total jerk. He “needs time to think” so it’s okay if he hides out and ignores everyone but when Spencer wanted time he wouldn’t leave her alone. Total jerk. Loved Spencer calling Hannah out for wearing an engagement ring but still having feelings for her ex. I almost died laughing when Ezra said it didn’t feel right keeping something from Aria. It bothered him that much that he went to see Nicole’s parents without telling her first but he had no problem stalking her and writing a book about her for years. Classic. No surprise on the engagement or the Nicole phone call. Saw that coming a mile away. Loved the look of disgust on Allie's face when Aria bolted mid discussion. Holy hotness—Noel Kahn. No need to say anymore.

Why either of these two want him back at this point I can't fathom. Clearly MK thinks he's more of a prince that what she's portraying him to be. And the engagement.....If it is Ezra/Aria then it's only a matter of time before Nicole comes knocking on his door again. I smell another love triangle brewing.

I know the Rosewood PD is dumb and dense on top of being corrupt, but it sounds even more nonsensical that Hannah and cohorts were chasing him into the woods where he would have had to get out of his car for Hannah to gas it and run him down on purpose all the while that Allie was running around in a hospital gown. Granted, I'm sure Tanner could pull off such a speculation with a straight face but with Toby looking into Rollins and Spencer's parents being lawyers, surely they didn't think any kind of vehicular manslaughter charge would stick. Sadly, these girls just get dumber instead of wiser with each "mystery" they encounter.

Spencer made clear to Caleb that she could have gotten over the kiss, but she suspected it was more than just a kiss. She called him out on having feelings for Hannah. And then when she told him she loved him, he yet again could not say it back. At this point, Spencer knows her feelings for Caleb are greater than his feelings for her. He wanted her to give him time for his feeling to develop deeper; Spencer doubts that will happen and wants someone who will feel the same way about her. I'd say Spencer is the smartest and most mature of the bunch when it comes to relationships. She's not willing to settle for someone that only "likes" her but is still in love with his ex. She feels that she deserves better and she does. Any woman does. Plus if she hadn't called Caleb and Hannah out on what happened at the motel, neither of them seemed likely to tell her and admit what they did wrong. If I was Spencer, I certainly wouldn't trust those two alone together. All in all, Spencer knows the romantic relationship with Caleb has gone as far as it can go. Her bar hook up was more of a stressed out knee jerk reaction to someone paying her attention after the distant way Caleb treated her and the realization that they can't really salvage what they had on top of the disaster in the woods only hours earlier. I don't see anything she needs to redeem. In other relationship news, why is Yvonne still around? I thought her and Toby were over the night of the election? Why are all these people beating dead horses when it comes to relationships? For a show set 5 years from the last season, most of these characters haven't grown much at all. Completely agree with everyone on the handling of the car wreck. It was asinine and shows that they never learn. Plus they could have probably freed Allie from Welby that night by explanation of his kidnapping of Allie who messaged them for help along with the photo evidence of him gaslighting her. Which, wasn't that evidence in the bag he took along with him--in other words in the car somewhere?

I think Liam first dropped the Lolita reference in that conversation as a way to say, 'Yeah I understand the older guy/younger girl appeal because I read the book, not because I actually experienced it personally.' That was his first cut on Ezra. A reminder that he was smarter and classier. Then I think he was questioning how Aria's role in both the book and his life was going to play out publicly. Her reputation--both personal and professional as the co-writer/editor is at stake. Aria and Ezra both seem oblivious to the fact that their personal relationship is likely to come to light if they go on a publicity tour together and the story becomes more sensationalized. Oh I definitely got the vibe that Caleb has been boning for Spencer for quite a while. Definitely back in Spain and then as soon as he made good with Toby about the relationship once back in town there was no putting on the breaks. Heck, he was still trying to sex Spencer up after trying to get back with Hannah. He might not be in love with her but he's in some serious lust.

Yes, he definitely is at this point. First he cheats on Spencer by kissing Hannah, which he still hasn't confessed to Spencer about although she's smart enough to have worked most of it out. This of course is after he made a stink about Toby seeing Spencer in her sexy dress. Then he blows Spencer off while trying to find his precious Hannah. After Hannah blows him off and not in the way he'd like, he comes home to sex up Spencer, who thankfully seemed to have enough sense to give him the brush off till she had a chance to confront him. Caleb needs to walk his ass back to Ravenswood with his dick tucked away between his legs and forget a future with either Hannah or Spencer. While in high school he might have been a good boyfriend, he's no prize in his twenties. I think Liam was actually trying to cut on Ezra even in that literary reference statement. He mentions the book Lolita, which is about an older man and preteen girl. The book has always been controversial but it's more known in popular culture by the term "Loilita" becoming a reference to young, seductive, possibly even trashy girls. So by Liam bringing it into the conversation I suspect he was trying to say that Ezra thinks his book (and his life, no doubt) is some epic romance with Aria or Nicole (at this point I think he's merged the girls into one and we'll probably see that confusion play out when Nicole turns up alive) but it really reads as trashy or creepy smut, to which he's concerned about Aria's role in it. So score another point for Liam. Although you make a very valid point as well--most guys in their twenties have enough sense and available women their own age without having to dip into the high school dating pool for a girlfriend, one no less that probably comes with curfews, naive or limited experience with life, and no ID to get into a bar or club for a night out. At this point, even with the girls out of college, any time I see Ezra with the Scooby gang I think he still looks silly and out of place, a thirty year old chasing ghosts and playing with dolls. ;-)

I kinda felt like different writers wrote these last two episodes. The tone felt off as well as many of the characters who were dumbed down. The biggest issues I have buying deal with Ethan and Dorian. Does Ethan still not grasp the significance of what he is? I understand before when he was wrestling with being the wolf but now he should know he's more than a mere predator; he has a destined purpose. Yet he caved to the pompous inspector and turned himself in? Such a let down. Meanwhile Dorian has had so much potential but he's been wasted this season. His character has just floated around in pointless side stories after being featured so prominently in season 1. I don't buy for one second that he'd reveal his secret to Brona/Lily after he killed Angelique to protect it. Frankly I found the scene in the portrait room with Victor farcical and out of place in this otherwise more sophisticated show. I also can't for the life of me figure out what every man seems to see in Brona/Lily. Her large mouth, her nasty hair, her deep, course voice--all grating and annoying. I've loathed her presence on this show from the very first scene. Every time anyone has sex with her I cringe. They can't get rid of her fast enough or cruel enough next season for me.

I didn't see Dorian killing Angelique as evil as much as I saw it as self-preservation. Angelique saw the painting/knew his secret; Dorian wasn't about to take that risk, especially with a mere mortal, a plaything at that because let's face it, that's really all Angelique was to him and that's all he purpose the character served in the script. I suspect if Dorian was to entrust the secret to anyone and allow them to live to tell about it, so to speak, it would be Vanessa or Ethan who also have their own secrets/supernatural abilities. Victorian culture was oppressive to both sexes having very rigid definitions of gender roles.

I'm not sure why Norman thought Norma was really alive and had some plan other than his mind is just that far deteriorated and the carbon monoxide poisoning resulted in some short term memory loss. I don't think TPTB are trying to say that Norman is innocent any more than any individual with a mental illness who commits a crime is innocent. I suppose though that if Romero could find the evidence to arrest him that Norman certainly fits the ground for mental insanity in a plea. Interestingly enough though the courts would put him in that dark, grim institution we saw earlier in the season rather than the upscale Pineview that Norman was so anxious to leave and that Romera was footing the bill for.

With Norman's psychosis, he isn't aware he is the one doing the crimes, he thinks it's "mother." Now the murder-suicide scene might have been a little different but then there was the memory lapse from the carbon monoxide poisoning, which was mentioned by the doctor in the hospital and I think that is why Norman was so mixed up about what really happened and whether Norma was really alive and playing some game. Because Norman survived it, he was confused whether Norma did too. That's why when after Chick's visit and he realizes she's really dead, he attempt to kill himself with the gun, finishing the job he previously started because he believes they can't live without each other. But then his warped mind imagines Norma and the dog alive again and thus we set the stage for Norman living out his life at the Bates Motel, sanity largely obliterated.

I agree completely with your assessment. The Norman character isn't meant to lure women in w/his handsomeness; he's supposed to appear harmless and meek. It's the whole "couldn't harm a fly" perception. He isn't some Romeo that women are sexually attracted to and that's what gets them killed. It's actually the other way around. Norman is attracted to them and then "Mother" gets jealous, and Norman turns deadly. Speaking of deadly...I really hope Dylan, Emma, Dr. Edwards, and Romera all make it through to the end w/out being killed off. I know the whole "everyone dies in the finale" troupe is popular today but I honestly feel like it's too much. And in this scenario someone needs to be around to comment on it all. Even in the movie, while the star (Janet Leigh) might have been killed off, most of the rest of the players survived. It's mainly only a blood bath (pun intended) for the female guests that check in.

Don't forget Dylan! Although sadly he often does seem like an afterthought in that crazy family, perhaps to his benefit though. If there was no will, he would receive a potion too. As well, Caleb could possibly stake part of a claim as well as a living relative, depending on the state legalities. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Norma did have a will leaving everything to Norman. She only recently married Romero so he could easily have been left out by the will being older than their marriage, and it wouldn't surprise me if she slighted Dylan. This would easily allow Norman the house and motel to set the stage for what we know of him owning from the movie lore. Considering the season ended on this episode and not the previous one (which I personally thought made a better finale), I suspect when we pick up next season it will be months ahead. Possibly Spring. This would allow the show to jump ahead to Norman running the motel, Romera perhaps refocusing his efforts back on catching Norman after dealing with his own legal issues, and Dylan perhaps dropping by (maybe Romera finally got a hold of him) and learning the truth--all things possibly needed to propel the show forward toward "The End." ;-) I hope not. Hiding references to the original movie seems silly. It's been out for over 50 years! Not to sound mean but if someone hasn't seen it and are "spoiled" it's hardly anyone's fault but their own for not having already watched it or at the very least knowing the basic plot as there are so many references in popular culture to such an iconic movie and director. Not to mention all the sequels and then the remake from the last decade or so. Referencing Psycho alongside Bates Motel is a natural discussion. It's what happens when you analyze and critique film.

I'm good with whoever Arbogast turns out to be as long as the characters have fun staggering over the name like the sheriff in the original. "Ar-Bo-Gast!" lol Nestor should probably raise his brow when he repeats it and Freddie should bring out that British accent with it. ;-)

LOL Carlton Cuse is a known liar about the plotting of his shows. He always says it's all mapped out but all you have to do is endure the seasons, particularly the final season, of LOST to know he's full of shit. That being said, Bates Motel has been plotted a lot tighter. Perhaps the credit goes to his co-creator. I wouldn't doubt. I think there are places in various plots over the seasons where it's clear they make adaptions to what was most likely their original plans. As well I think some characters have stayed due to actor popularity (Dylan) despite what I suspect their original purpose was while there are other actresses that were likely not used beyond a bigger plan. The girl from season one (Bradley?) was not a fan favorite and it was pretty obvious they switched gears and wrote her out. But I agree, this show is definitely one that benefits from being kept to an end date otherwise it would just be dragging on the inevitable. I'm very curious to see if this last season tackles the original Psycho movie plot (w/Marian Crane). It would be fitting to end the series where that movie ends with Sheriff Romero locking him up and Dr. Edwards giving the final explanation on Norman's condition to Lila and Sam. Will they throw in a Detective Arbogast? Always thought his name was funny.

I wondered those things too. Felt like there were some plot holes there. It was a little hard to believe that the funeral home, a local family business, didn't know Romera was the town sheriff. And did someone run an obituary for Norma? It seemed strange that Chick knew unless he read it in the paper. I get that Dylan wouldn't have seen the paper because he just moved but what about the doctor treating Norman? Surely he'd have a reaction to what happened. He seemed to be missing from this episode. I expected him at the door, not Chick. Honestly, I kept feeling like last episode would have made the much better season finale with this episode being the start of the next season. Last week had way more of a punch, twist, and air of uncertainty. This episode just showed us a lot of things we already knew about the Norman Bates character. I certainly hope there is more with the new state police detective next season. Surely after witnessing Norman beat the shit out of a very large flat screen TV and having him admit to recently being committed, not to mention the strange way he said Norma made the right decision to leave Romera yet ignoring the fact that she immediately killed herself (at least through the police's eyes), this lady detective should be doing a lot more digging on the son. While I know there's the whole patient confidentially issues, even a veiled conversation with his shrink should allow her to put two and two together.

Assuming Norma is dead I think the show made a great twist on the original movie versions while still keeping within the original parameters of the Bates lore. It's still a "murder-suicide" except in this instance Norman is the "lover." Creepy but visually and psychologically quite effective. I suspect Norma's letter to Romero will be construed as a suicide note and Norman will try to play the victim, since in his mind Mother is always the irrational killer.

I'm definitely an old fart too. :) Not only do I remember Siskel & Ebert but when they call Laurie "Mr. Roper" it brings to mind the old episodes of Three's Company where the landlords were the old fart the Ropers! LOL

I so agree. It was hard to care what happened to her by the way she was presented--basically as the stereotypical literature troupe "whore." (And I don't mean that in a slut shaming way.) She certainly didn't strike me as someone who was taking a chance with her own life to save the well being of other innocent victims or prevent further political unrest. Her characterization came across as more of someone who was an opportunist. She's a mistress, all expenses paid, to a rich, corrupt man of a prominent, albeit shady, family who sexes up her perceived "protector"(a basic stranger) even in the face of danger, clings to him, and then throws a hissy fit when he's not instantly her white knight. There wasn't much depth to her character and yet the majority of the plot is hindered on her very role in the story. I interpreted her statement there to basically be code to alert him to the severity of the info she just had him copy and keep rather than actually be literal although I'll admit it was weird that she later acted surprised that he passed the info along. If she simply wanted a copy kept for "insurance purposes" she could have done the same with the other hotel administrator that he offered to her make the photocopies, but instead she insisted that he do it. I can only hope that down the road we get some kind of reveal that she was put up to do this. It would make a lot more sense if a third party was involved. It would also have been helpful to know if she simply stumbled upon this info or if it was shared with her.