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So, I get that you can't expect everyone to make reasonable descisions in a zombie apocalypse, but this episode it was clearly a contest on how to get killed in the most stupid way possible. So, I know that Carol has an issue with Morgan because of the guy he is trying to teach not to kill anymore, but when all hell broke loose (that is the walkers were right in town), the top priority was still to run over there to kill that guy, seriously? That guy could have stayed locked up there until this was over, but she couldn't let it go for 2 seconds, and had to risk everybody's life because of it? Congrats Carol for being such a crazy, selfish bi***! And ok, Ron is pissed and want's to shoot Carl. But after they are trapped in the house with all of the walkers outside he still tries to go through with it, letting the walkers in accidentially, really? How stupid can that boy get? And I also get that Sam is kind of traumatized, but you can't tell me that his mother can't explain to him to shut the f*** up before leaving the house, or, if he fails to do so, cover his mouth instantly, or give him a small sign to shut up, before he shouts "Mom" inbetween the walkers 3 times, so they all might get eaten up. Sometimes it seems some peolpe are just to dumb to stay alive.

My theory is that Serge warned Lena on their way down in the woods that Milan wants him to kill her, and so he just made it look like he was shooting her (maybe a fake bullet or something), but Milan got the clue, and so he stabbed her.

Since I have already seen it So keep watching, that's all I'm saying. :)

It's on couchtuner, in French with English subs, but I wouldn't recommend watching it if you don't understand French, because the English subs are horrible, and clearly made by somebody who's English is pretty bad, sometimes the subs say the complete opposite of the real dialogue, sometimes dialogue is left out completely, unfortunately.

I have seen the finale already, and I really liked it, the whole second (and obviously final) season is definetly worth watching. Of course you can't expect from a show like that to get every question answered, every mystery solved and the fate of every character made a 100% clear in the finale, that's just impossible, and was never the intention of that show in my opinion. But compared to let's say "Lost" you are served more than well. To me the final conclusion was definetly satisfying, altough it leaves room for interpretation. There ist one really clever twist in the final episode that connects it to the first episode of S1, from which we get to know how The Returned got there in the first place, but obiously I'm not going to spoil anything here, that would be unfair. I'm just saying so much that one scene in the finale actually made me tear up in front of the screen, and that doesn't happen very often to me, so I'm good with the finale.

Generally, I have to say the season started out promising, I very much liked the first two episodes. And although Enid's story was just laid out with some flashbacks in a few minutes, and we know virtually nothing else about her, and maybe never will, I cared more about her than about any main character on FOTWD, and that says it all, thank God TWD is back! So, shouldn't the horde of walkers be heading straight to Alexandria and arriving any minute? Shouldn't Morgan be running around warning people to be prepared or to leave, did I miss something?

You're right, but I didn't mind that much when it came to Buffy and Willow, because I could always feel their inner struggle and pain, the story centered around their failures and irresposibilities. Xander, on the other Hand, was just there and failed, on a regular basis. I didn't know that Whedon might have said to NB that he was done with Xander as a character so early, but looking back it kind of makes sense. On the other hand, if you are done with a character, then you better kill him off in a dramatic and heartbreaking way, to give him the credit he deserves, BTVS didn't have any major character deaths (besides Buffy dying twice and coming back every time) anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally there with you, and I agree with all the points you made. In fact, I don't hate Xander at all, I just started to get tired of him lately, as I said. The main reason not being that he wanted to see Angel dead, or that he left Anya at the altar, but that he is that kind of personality that takes exactly zero responsibilitiy for his descisions and actions, besides admitting that he has been a fool and screwed up, again. He is that kind of guy that is so "unfortunate", beacause bad things just "happen" to him all the time, when in fact it was his choice every time all along, screwing up the life of people around him as well. And while I maybe could relate to that as a teenager, I'm rather tired of that kind of behaviour more than 10 years later, especially of grown up Xander.

I have to say I was ok with the story of the ending itself, though it was really sad and I was never a big fan of Ted and Robin. It was life, bad things can happen in life, Ted met his perfect match, his soulmate, but then some day she died. And after years of grief, who else would he date, if he starts dating again, but Robin? What really upset me though is the way the story was told in the end, which in my opinion showed a lack of respect for the audience, the characters and the idea of the show itself. I mean after 9 years in the making, Ted and Tracy finally meet, and the scene was really beautifully done, not too cheesy but special. And then cut, and now she's dead, but you have the hots for aunt Robin dad, oh by the way, you just told us a story about Robin an you, mom had nothing to do with it. Wow, THAT was a real slap in the face! I still skip that scene every time I see it. I mean I get what they were doing there, and if the show had lastet for only 3 or 4 seasons, this might have actually worked. They obviously wanted to show us how clever they were, because they knew how it would end all along, but that failed completely. Sometimes you have to get rid of your "love child" as a writer and producer, they should have cut that scene out, but they obviously couldn't. They also underestimated the amount of chemistry that Josh and Christin had on screen and how popular the mother, that they never really planned on introducing in the first place, would get. It would have been much better if they had left that crap scene with the kids out, and broke our hearts by directly cutting from the Train station to the cementry, with something like "that's how I met your mother....and then I lost her". They should have given the audience the time, and if it's only 5 minutes, to grieve with Ted, to let her go, talk to her at her grave, show us that it's hard for him, and maybe have Lily or somebody else encourage him to date again, and of course it's Robin, that's fine with me, they still oculd have gone full circle with the blue horn, why not. I don't agree with those who say that the ending ruined rewatching the show ever again for them, that's abosulety not true, still the way the filmed the ending was, like I said, to some degree a slap in the face for the audience.

I totally agree with you. The first few episodes of seasons 7 are one of my favourite parts of the whole show too. One of my favourite scenes ever is the one where The First haunts Spike in the basement of Sunnydale High at the end of the first episode, and morphs into every big villain there ever was on the show, and finally into Buffy, with the closing line: "It's not about right. Not about wrong. It's about power." Chills!!! I absolutely loved the idea of The First at the beginning, an enemy that could not be seen or touched, that could trick your mind, and "from beneath you it devours", it created a great atmosphere of darkness and fear. And there where a lot of good moments an episodes, very personal stuff that made the show great, like Spike's return and confession to have a soul (the scene in the curch hanging over the cross), like Willow returning, like Anya being back in the world of vengeance (and a glimpse into her past) and her face-off with Buffy, like "Conversations with Dead People". Unfortunatly, and I agree with you on that too, that touch got completely lost in last 2/3rds of the season. It wasn't about the gang anymore, it was about one last epic fight, a battle of armies, or whatever. I was really disappointed when I first watched it back then, and I still am. I guess Joss Whedon thought he had to create something that even trumps all other battles and finales, I mean Buffy already died twice and the world alomst ended every season. But it got into some superhero comics direction that lacked the personal touch the show always had, at least to me. And by the way, if you are not that much into comics, but you love the show, don't read the Buffy comics, seriously DON'T, it only get's worse in them. I have read them for a while, because naturally I was curious on how the story would go on after the finale, and at first it was ok to find out about it, but after a while it was just *bumm*, *bang* *pow* with hilariously stupid storylines. I don't want to give away anything, I'll just say so much that I stopped reading them after Buffy and Angel have a screw-marathon while flying in some alternate dimension, which could destroy the earth, or something, I don't remember precisely anymore.

Having recently rewatched a a lot of episodes from different seasons, I have to say that I started to get really tired of Xander, so maybe that's an unpopular opinion, or not, I don't know. I mean he has his moments, and very funny lines, I wouldn't wanna miss them, but I got really tired of him lately. First of all the whole "I hate Angel, and want to see him dead" behaviour really had it's low points throughout the first 3 seasons. Then he has the hots for every girl around him, and I mean really literally every! girl at some point, Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Faith, and even Dawn, seems like every girl is his type, and it's not always about sex alone. And while his behaviour was at least somehow funny and understandable as a teenager, it really turned extremely pathetic later on, the low point maybe leaving Anya at the altar, and not meaning it afterwards, but bringing up the marriage and proposing all by himself in the first place. Sometimes I got the impression they had to make him screw up that much, and portray him as a goofy likable (not in my opnion) loser, because they didn't know what else to do with the character. Don't get me wrong, I know he is good hearted and he was always there for the gang, but still...

I could bring up a lot of points on why I don't really care about this show the way I do with other shows, be it the characters themselves being stupid assholes nobody really roots for (getting probably thousends of people killed by releasing zombies and opening the fence without warning anybody, great), be it that it's, at least in my opnion, not what it was promoted to be (we didn't see civilisation fall apart), or the really lazy writing and poor acting (partly). But the main point why I'm not so sure if I will give season 2 a try is that the show has basically become TWD 2.0 at this point, or if you will TWD Los Angeles, like there are numerous CSI spin-offs nobody needs. I mean where is the difference? Small group trying to survive after the apocalypse, that already happened (thank you show!), only this time it's two (patchwork)-families, wow. I mean 6 episodes, ok, but a full season? And at the end the try a cheap, are there water-zombies now, ciffhanger? I'm not sure I care, or how this will be relevant in any way to the story. I think I stick to TWD, Atlanta. Maybe there will be TWD New York or Chicago next year, or NavyTWD. :)

And the other squad went in there for what? Supplies? No, they still had plenty as we know. To rescue somebody? No, they were planning on leaving everybody behind the next day and evacuate without civilians. Obviously they went in for the fun of shooting zombies and getting killed in the process. I was in the military myself, what is shown on that show is a load of crap, or to be more specific the fantasy of teenage minded writers and producers of how stupid and evil the military get's in just a few days into apocalypse, because that's just what the always do.

Still that doesn't make any sense at all. It's probably not the best way to keep soldiers "occupied" by risking their lives storming in every building full of walkers. That unit would fall apart in no time in reality, because getting everybody killed for no reason at all in an extremly dumb way is not that good for moral too. They know they are going to evacuate soon, but still they go on "suicide missions" that rescue nobody and help to accomplish nothing, I mean why not kill themselves right away once and for all? Dumbest military ever in that show.

You did great, thank you for your reply. :) In fact the details don't bother me most of the time on TWD, and it's true that we don't have to know them all, because the show's focus lies on the survivors (which is great). What I can't accept that easily though is that FOTWD doesn't even cover the most basic questions, like how this thing spreads, which in fact would be a key to the plot, because it influences the response, actions and descisions of everybody. So for me it's rather a FOTWD issue now than a TWD issue, as I thought we at least would get some answers there, but that's rather a topic for the FOTWD discussion.

Maybe. But if it is the plan is to abandon the people in the safe zones and evacuate themselves without any civilians, there is no point in trying to clear every building there is from walkers anymore (like in this episode), and losing dozens of men every day in doing so. It's just nonsense. The best course of action would be to defend a safe zone, in which you can sustain food, water and medical supply (and your soldiers can rest), or abandon the city and set camp elsewhere (in which case it doesn't matter if you kill any more walkers OR civilians).

Now I get it! :) When it comes to life as a zombie, eating the flesh of your beloved ones, say yes! But when it comes to drugs, just say no! Drugs will kill you, and turn you into a zombie, and you will end up eating the flesh of your beloved ones, which ist indeed perfectly fine with us, so do drugs....I mean....whatever....we're all screwed anyway. :)

I'm sorry but all this show does is confusing me with extremely sloppy writing, and I don't mean only in details, but the whole storyline itself, because I'm usually not that concerned with the writing if the drama makes up for it (which it unfortunately does not in this case). First of all, the military does exactly what? Creating safe zones, then killing everything and everybody outside these zones, taking certain people like drug addicts out of the safe zones (because they are a danger to what exactly?), making efforts to raid every infected building there is to lose dozens of men every day, but secretly planning to desert all people in the safe zones and the hospital, and kill them in a "humane" way at the same time in a big conspiracy? Seriously? And I guess we will never get any explanation for this mess, because that seems to be convenient for the showrunners, like it is with the "virus". I get that the showrunners don't want to get into details about origin and morphology, but you can't write a whole show about the outbreak of a zombie-virus without touching the simple question on how it spreads. Is it just bites or can you be infected any other way (in the sense that you die immediatly because of the fever, I know everybody is in fact infected). You don't need to be a scientist to figure that out, it's just observation, everybody would know it by now, and talk about it all the time. And unfortunatly it always comes up in the storyline in one or another way (people with masks, the story of the stadium,...), but is never answered, only that's something that influences descisions and reactions of all characters involved (for example the military). So I guess we will see the release of thousends of walkers from the stadium next week, which I'm looking forward too (putting aside on what a stupid idea that is). Only problem with that is, after that the last bit of civilisation in L.A. will be gone, which makes the show basically TWD 2.0., so I don't see the point of S2 to be honest.

Ok, after watching this episode, and almost falling asleep, I really have to ask: what's the point of this spin-off again? I mean what's the difference to TWD again? If society has almost fallen apart completely in episode 4, and we learn exactly nothing about the outbreak itself, it's just TDW 2.0, small group/ family drama in an apocalyptic world, only with stupid characters nobody cares about. Hell, they don't even mention how this "thing" spreads, just through bites or other ways? I mean this is basically the number 1 topic everybody would care and talk about in reality. And how stupid can characters and plot get? The military tells them that everybody is dead outside the gates, and they just believe them? And are super surprised that someone (morse coding) isn't? That's the conspiracy? L.A. has millions of residents, how should the military even know everybody is dead? It's impossible. And they shot people in infected areas that are not infected, you don't say? Since we already now they used napalm in Atlanta later. Let's cut a hole into the fence, that keeps us safe from the walkers and sneak around. Unless they come up with any real new background story like a sound conspiracy or something, season 2 is just a waste of time and money.

I really do hope this season get's better than the first episode. As much as I really enjoyed the creative and perfectly underwhelmed (and because of that fitting) engagement of Leonard and Penny, as dissapointing and anti-climactic felt their wedding to me. Some romantic cliche wouldn't have been fitting too, I get that, but it was just odd, and in no way funny, nor were the vows funny or creative, I think a great opportunity was missed with that wedding. And so here we are again, Leonard an Penny married, and already with another crisis, that's really getting old now, and I have to say I couldn't care less about that new character (Leonard's kissing buddy) they are obviously trying to bring in. The whole episode felt like not much was going on, we already knew Amy was going to break up with Sheldon, and the rest was just filling time, no funny scenes at all. I already mentioned this in my post after the last episode of last season, but I'm not sure were the show is going in yet another two seasons, and if it was such a good idea to stretch it out that long. Don't get me wrong, I still love the show, but I'm afraid that it's only going downwards from here like it happened with "Two And a Half Men", or partly with HIMYM.

First of all, I know that on a show where dead people resurrect, to turn into flesh eating "walkers", there have to be some natural limits to logic and realism. So let's start with the obvious set backs for every zombie genre that really don't count that much to me. It is indeed possible that a virus turns somebody into an raged filled and violent "monster", like a mutated version of the rabies virus could do for example in my opinion. It is also possible that a fungus or virus takes control over the human brain, and turns you into some kind of zombie, like observed with ants in the real world for example. It is even possible that such viruses, parasites or fungi have the potential to create hallucinations, that make you want to eat human flesh in my opinion (just think of the case of the drug addict that was eating off that poor guy's face on the news). The only thing definetly under no circumstances possible is to resurrect the human body after death, because when the organism breaks down entirely, all cells that need ogxygen supply (like brain cells) die within minutes, all others within hours, once dead, they cannot be "reactivated", no virus can do that. But we have to put that aside, because that's the general limit to the logic of all zombie movies or series, so I'm totally fine with it. What rather bothers me is the "virus" itself. First of all even after half a year of research, with scans und samples, a CDC-guy can't tell if it's a virus, a fungus, or a microbe. I mean I get that they don't have a cure, but come on, they would figure that out within 48 hours maximum. Then, to keep the story going, the virus seems to mutate al loooot, but after seeing the first episode of "Fear The Walking Dead" it's getting even more confusing to me. At first, many people got infected with the virus and developed a fever that killed them, and turned them into walkers, but some peolpe seemed to be immune to that form, so the walkers spread the virus by biting other people. At least so it seemed, because if the virus had spread only on the basis of bites, there is noy way it would have spread that fast, it's just not possible. Question was, why do the others get infected by bites, when they seem immune to the virus' original form? Then it turned out everybody was "infected" and carried the virus, so everybody that died became a walker. Seemed like a mutation, but only until ep. 1 of "Fear The Walking Dead", when the dealer becomes one of the first walkers after getting shot instantly, so it was that way all along? And if so, why did nobody notice until 1 year into apocalypse? People died all the time. And why do they still develop a fever when getting bit, that kills them, when they all already carry the virus within them? So there are so many inconsistencies that I'm really getting confused here. What bothers me too, are the "walkers". The explanation they came up with, thus the parts of the brain activated, would suggest walkers that were blind, deaf and not able to moove coordinated at all. But besides that what bothers me the most is walker-density and -decomposition. We are about 2 years into apocalypse, yet still there are walkers in pretty good shape behind every corner, hords of hundreds and thousands everywhere, even in the forest in the middle of nowhere. From what we know, and from how few people there are left, we can conclude that I'd say at least 95% of the population died from the virus. Most of them in the first few weeks. We also know that they do rott quite well (I mean they are dead bodies exposed to sunlight and weather, remember S1 ep.1 in the park?), unless they get fresh flesh to eat, as they don't eat themselves. But most of the walkers won't get a meal for most of the time, because there are alomst no humans left, most pets probably died quickly after apocalypse, and wild animals a pretty damn hard to catch, as they don't get close to humans and could smell walkers from miles away. So 95% of the walkers should be rotten to bones by now, not hiking through the woods. And as for the rest of them, if just one survivor kills an average of one walker per week (our group does much better), so 52 a year, and there'd be 1 million survivors in the US left at least (seems realistic), that makes 52 Million kills per year. So to make it short, there shouldn't be many walkers left anymore, and after 3-4 years into apocalypse the number should be close to zero, you would just have to sit it out. Even the fact that everybody who dies now turns into a walker doesn't change that, because everybody knows by know they just have to stab their brains to prevent it. So what do you think? Are there any parts I got wrong, or you see differently? Any explanations that would make sense? Did I miss something? And do the further episodes of "Fear The Walking Dead" shed some lights on these issues (I have only watched ep 1. by now)?

I just finished watching the US version and the French version as well, and I'm kind of glad that I watched the US version first, because that made me wanting to watch the french version too, whoch is indeed better, as many of you have pointed out. Altough I didn't think the US version was that bad at all, but I can see why anybody would be dissapointed by it if you have watched the French version first. In comparison I'd say that I thought that the casting choice for Lena didn't really play out that well in the US version (I mean they are supposed to be identical twins 4 years apart in age), and the relationship between the sisters was portrayed much better in the French version. I thought Victor was pretty creepy in the US version too, but in another way, kind of cutomized for US television, as he was kind of dehumanized (in the tradition of "Village of The Damned" maybe). In the French version Victor is just one of The Returned, sometimes afraid, but with some kind of special powers that he uses to hurt people, maybe like a confused child soul would do in such a situation. In the US version you sometimes get the impression that he is the mastermind behind it all, and some kind of evil ghost rather than on of The Returned. The only thing where I definetley preferred the US version was the Simon-Rowan storyline/ relationship compared to Simon-Adele. I thought that the adaptions made in the storyline of the US version were actually pretty clever, especially closing the age gap between the two, which makes Simon much more of a real threat to Tommy, than in the French version to Thomas (he is much more a ghost from the past there). And I have to say that the actress that played Rowan really killed it for me in her scenes, that was a highlight of the US version for sure. And whereas Thomas is portrayed as a caring fiance that is afraid of the whole situation, Tommy rather seemed like a creepy control freak to me (even though they both installed cameras) and kind of an ass too. The french Simon ia much more creepy, especially at the end. But I liked the adaptation made in US version when it comes to Simon's suicide, because of small differences in plot and dialogue you get the feeling that maybe Simon didn't kill himself, but Tommy could have done it. Whereas the priest tells Thomas in the french version to lie to Adele about Simon's suicide, Tommy spins that "lie" in the US version himself. Tommy tells Rowan that he fell in love with her first sight, no word of that in the french version, which makes you wonder if the first sight didn't take place in the church at her wedding day but earlier, and he may got Simon out of his way. And whereas Simon gets himself shot by Thomas in the french version on purpose, because he didn't want to live anymore, Tommy shoots Simon in the US version kind of without need, kind of waiting for him to give him a reason. You see in which driection the clues are going here, I kind of enjoyed that. The greatest bummer of the US version was the finale though, that was really aweful. Camille banging the life out of Ben, riding him wildly like a bull was anitclimactic, I mean I know we are supposed to think evil forces are at work, but she is supposed to be 15 or 16 and it's her first time, wtf? And the last scene with Simon, what are we supposed to think, it was all a dream, he can stop time, wth? But I'm kind of glad too, because that way it was easier to let go of the US version, since it's definetly not renewed and Netflix isn't picking it up either, that way I can enjoy S2 of the french version this fall even more, which I'm really looking forward to, I thought the finale was awesome!

Just reread the postings in this topic...funny how it all played out, it seems you were right in the end Dirtybubble, the ending for Jack & Emily was as soap classic. :) But apart from the soapiness of that, which I'm not really a fan of, it just felt right to end the show this way, as it really kept circling around their relationship for 4 seasons, it felt like closure. Altough I think The Jack & Emily storyline would have had more potential if they wrote S4 as the last season from the beginning, it seemed to me they waited until the last second to bring them together (which of course seemed too rushed then), because they didn't know if there was a S5, so they dargged it out too long. Having Ben around in that context was completely unnecessary, at all, at least he died in the end, lol. :)

Overall I enjoyed watching season 4, it was pretty good. I kinda like the Schmidt-Cece relationship, because it's a realistic storyline and at least it gives Cece a purpose, which the character definetely doesn't have without (just the looks). Jess and Nick, well I honestly don't mind them being a couple in the future again, I just feel that is the part of the show that was written really badly and gave me kind of an anticlimactic feeling throughout season 3 (I almost stopped watching then). I mean they get together, say the "I love you" to each other and mean it, and after that they find out they are difunctional couple, because their love for each other is the only thing they have in common, and miss being besties? Well solid ground for being best friends when you "have nothing in common" and weirdly live with your ex, wth? Won't miss coach a bit, didn't add much to the story and was kind of annoying and not funny at all (thank god he was replaced by Winston is season 1 and 2). And please stop giving Jess unbearable annoying love interests like that british dude, please stop it!

After watching the last episode of this season I honestly have to say that altough I LOVE this show, I'm not sure it was such a good idea to drag it out for at least another 2 seasons. I'm afraid they are running out of stories to tell. I mean you could see that Sheldon-Amy break up coming, because it's the only option they have left to keep the story going, they can't have Leonard and Penny going through a breakup again, because it's getting more than old. To me the show started to lose it's spark a little bit this season I'm afraid, it's still funny, but there were a lot of filler episodes too that didn't leave me wanting to watch the next epsiode right away like in the seasons before. I hope that Penny and Leonard don't get married secretly in the end, because their wedding with all their friends and family would be hilarious to watch, just imagine Leonard's mother, Penny's father and the chaos and panic, wouldn't wanna miss that. :) I know this may be an unpopular opnion, but next season should have been the last one in my opinion, I know the show's a cash cow for all of them, but I'm afraid of the downward trend in quality increasing over the next two seasons, and I don't want that to happen to one of my favorite shows.