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How does Diane manage to look so angelic while refusing to renounce nunchucking family members other than Bow?

At a very young age? He was 38 years old! FOH.

When Annalise went back to her burned out house to rummage through rubble to retrieve the picture of her, Sam, and Baby Sam my heart broke a little.

I totally agree, especially regarding Charles Mahoney. It was always obvious to me that, in the present, CM is in his 40's (and he looks like it to me). I always thought he was Wes' father, even though for many the timeline got obscured because of all the flashbacks. I recognized that Charles and Rose were around the same age, and I was honestly shocked when they revealed Wallace as Wes' dad. That's why Sylvia's revelation that Wes was actually her grandson didn't surprise me at all. Something that always did confuse me though, was how rapidly the show had Laurel switch her affections from Frank to Wes. Forgive me if somebody upthread has already mentioned this, but I'm wondering if her Dad actually meant to kill Frank instead of Wes? Did Laurel's Dad even know she was no longer seeing the guy she asked him to help her find? I tried going back to first half of the season to review that episode, but it was no longer available. I'm wondering if they located Frank via his paper trail rather than his description and if they simply assumed that the guy she was currently seeing was the same guy she asked her father to find? It just seems sadly fitting that Wes' murder could end up being a tragic case of mistaken identity.

Nope! At least as far as B II M are concerned. NE probably is #1 though.

*clutching my pearls in horror* Just no! Rainbow must be out of her raggedy mind. Jodeci > ALLLLLLL-ladem. For once, Dre is absolutely right!

This episode was okay. My only complaint was about Jordana Brewster's acting. I think her character is likeable enough, they just gave her too much to do. She's fine with the shrink stuff, but mourning a murdered boyfriend? Just no. I couldn't tell if she was sad or just undecided about what to have for dinner.

Because ^ can't be said enough. It's become ridiculous. I agree. These writers sure love to lay it on thick. With that being said and even though I have real problems with the way the show is writing the male characters, Randall is the heart of the show for me. Without him and his family, I'd have no interest in watching.

Ms. Shahidi seems like a perfectly lovely young woman, but I just don't see anyone building a comedy show around her. She's okay in a ensemble where they rely on other people to get the laughs, but I haven't seen her display the comedy chops necessary to star in her own show. That's not to say there are no dormant skills there, but the character of Zoey seems much closer to Denise Huxtable than Whitley Gilbert. They'd be better off waiting for Junior to go to college and build a show around him.

See, I understood Lucy's position. Maybe that's because I talk to Trump voters all the time. How can I not? I live in the rural South. They're all around me. Lucy is the type of person who voted for Obama because she wanted things to change, and for her it didn't. Now she's disillusioned, but she still wants change. Hillary only promised more of the same. So, she rolled the dice and voted for the Orange One. Now, do I think that was a good gamble? No, but disaffected people like Lucy thought otherwise. It didn't help that establishment democrats massively underestimated how deeply people on the Right and the Left despise the Clintons.

Powerful episode. I LOVED it. So much excellence. That is all.

Agree about Emerald City. I was watching with my sister when I asked her if I could change the channel (about 20 min into the show). My sister then demanded to know why I'd taken that long to realize the show was garbage. ETA: Sorry, but I hate the Great Indoors too. Even Joel McHale can't save it for me. I think the acting on that comedy is tragic.

Two Broke Girls wins this category for me. I’ve seen a lot of unfunny comedies in my time, but this mess takes the cake. Not only are the “jokes” unfunny, that unpleasant, unattractive, big-busted brunette who cannot act to save her life delivers all of her zingers with an obnoxious clunkiness, like she’s in some awful vaudeville show and she’s listening for the drummer to give her a ba dum bum and a rimshot before moving on to her next bad line. Of course, I think most of the CBS “comedies” are epically bad. I cannot understand why people continue to give them decent ratings.

Dreamgirls is currently sold out through March 2017, and has now extended its run thru October. I couldn't be more delighted for Amber. http://www.officiallondontheatre.co.uk/news/latest-news/article/item382336/dreamgirls-extends-to-october-2017/

You know, I'm the opposite. Since BM are forever dating out and no one says a word to them but act like a BW is Gozer the Destroyer when she chooses to date someone other than a BM, I hope the show goes all in on Nova. I want them to put that hypocrisy right up there onscreen for everyone to see. Sometimes you can't see how unfairly you're being treated until you see how unfairly you're being treated. Of course, I understand that not everyone wants to go the that extreme. Still, I hope you don't drop the show. I enjoy this discussion board and don't want to lose anybody.

Well, I was actually quoting you for the male-identified part, not the Calvin and Nova part. Still, I do think the C&N drama was necessary to to give viewers a preview of season two's drama. As you said, it's a soap. Even with it's problems and irritations, however, I really hope you don't drop the show.

IA that the show is male-identified, but, since I accept that as the mindset of most people in the BC, I see it as a true reflection. Not me. I’m all for the discontinuance of black women limiting themselves to black men. Black women during the 60’s marched, boycotted and had water hoses and dogs turned on them, and they were rewarded for their sacrifices by seeing it become the norm for successful black men to marry non-black women and withdraw their money from the BC and for black men in general to trash the image of black women in entertainment, in music (especially rap) and all over social media. So I’m just fine with Calvin just like he is. The BC has more than demonstrated that they’re going to give BW sh*t no matter what we do, so go ahead and taste the rainbow. That’s not a foregone conclusion. BWWM have the lowest divorce rate of any couples. I’m guessing it’s because they are forced to bond together so tightly due to outside forces. Knowing that, Nova and Calvin’s relationship could go either way. I’m interested to see which way they go. Plus, it doesn’t hurt that the actors generate genuine heat onscreen. The above has ALWAYS bothered me, but Nova’s SJW storyline mainly bothered me for one very specific reason. To me, social justice is a mirage that keeps people busy, but not productive. Take Nova for an example. She ran around visiting jails and hospital and writing articles…and for what? Yes, it was nice that Nova was able to help get Too Sweet’s charges dropped (with an able assist from Calvin), but the system is still intact. If that drug dealer and Too Sweet are pulled over by the cops on their way to Alabama, Too Sweet can easily be right back in the same situation (or worse) all over again. It’s like Charley and RA’s argument regarding the mill. RA was probably right. Earnest probably did envision RA living on that land the same way he did, eking out a living on that farm year after year. They consider that a win. Charley, OTOH, is thinking in terms of economic empowerment. RA was right when he told her that building an empire was her dream. I’m with Charley. If you truly want to change your circumstances, you have to begin with a strong economic base and you must build a solid infrastructure. Queen Sugar (the mill) is infrastructure. Basically, I look at it this way: Social Justice = give a man a fish. Sure, he’ll eat today, but he’ll be hungry again tomorrow. Economic Empowerment = teach a man to fish. He’ll never be hungry again.

I love, Love, LOVED Charley "the shark". She was doing the darn thing, wasn't she? That dumb-bunny Davis clowned himself by taking her for granted because you're so right. He will sorely miss all that she brought to the table. Thank you! I've gotta hand it to the finale though. It laid the foundation for a season 2 filled with conflict; Charley vs. RA, the Bordelons vs. the Landry/Boudreaux clan, Calvin and Nova vs. the World. It will be good, even though I'll have to subject myself to listening to more of RA's whining and demanding respect that he hasn't earned.

I hope you're right. I imagine I missed a significant portion of the details during the time I was muttering and ranting and getting a glass of water. I should have paid better attention, but RA finding that letter angered me. I know a family like the Bordelons; two sisters and one brother. Despite any evidence that his son had an ounce of sense, the father left the family's considerable tract of land to him. It was gone in three months.

Just curious. What about the show would you change?

....aaaaand this is the part that I just...can't. If their daddy thought that giving RA sole possession of the Bordelon land was a good idea, then he was as big a dumbazz as RA. With RA in charge, that land would be in Landry/Boudreaux hands in no time flat and without the exchange of one thin dime. SMH. Stay tuned.

I never cared. That pie story of hers sounded rehearsed anyways. Then, when she practically cheered about the family drama at the dinner table, I wanted to snatch her sideways and throw her out onto the sidewalk. Pfffft. I'm perfectly okay with never seeing her again.

You know, I'm still fuming over the black male nostalgia for the "good old days" of grandma accepting any old behavior and staying. Someone needs to tell them that grandma was born in a time when families married their daughters off at the ungodly ages of 13, 14, 15. By the time they were 21 they were burdened with abusive husbands, a house full of children to feed, little to no education to support themselves and their children, and few resources. They weren't loyal; they were stuck. While some women today still find themselves in similarly hopeless situations, thank God most black women in the US have much better options.

I'm constantly amazed at how often this narrative is thrown at BW to gaslight us into accepting utter foolishness. Yes, Issa was an idiot to act out her junior high school fantasies with Daniel, but that scene (and this line of black male thinking and their expectation of one-sided loyalty) absolutely made me cringe. I was already to come on here and d*mn near write a dissertation on the matter, but others have already beaten me to it. Both these articles perfectly express how I feel. The first article is called, Lawrence, 'Insecure" and the myth of the good guy. Then second is titled, On the 'Insecure" finale and the ridiculous notion of "Building A Man". http://www.ebony.com/love-sex/insecure-finale-lawrence#axzz4RPNDdEl5 and https://madamenoire.com/727394/insecure-finale-building-man/ BTW, when you try to "Build A Man", all you're doing is building him for the next woman. Why? Because after you upgrade him, he's going to find an upgrade of his own, and she'll be the woman who he feels reflects his new status (and the one who can never remind him of all her contributions).

Surgery is not always the solution either. I've known seven people in the last 10 years who have had bariatric surgeries. One lost weight successfully. Three regained their weight over time and now are right back where they started. Three suffered through severe medical complications and repeated hospitalizations following their surgeries that drained their bank accounts and diminished their quality of life. It's like the pharmaceutical commercial for a diet pill that ran several years back that promised weight loss but came with back pain, bloody urine and a side order of uncontrollable oily stools. I was like, DAYUM! I'd rather stay fat.