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I missed her comment about Rachel being black being a factor, but I wasn't listening uninterrupted. I was also having trouble wading through Reality Steve's feigned sympathy. He was like a male Nancy Grace. My eyes couldn't roll harder with some of his retorts. That being said, Peters ex was saying what many think anyway. Wasn't there some statistic that black women are the least requested on dating sites or something? The fact she said it out loud was tacky, but unfortunately tons are thinking it... My husband is from India I'm black. The guy I dated before him was White, neither had dated outside their race prior to me so same as you. The no make up thing was something I picked up on and even commented here back when the show aired. I mentioned this to my daughter when we were watching it as well. His rant about Bryan's cheek implants and Miami womens fake "parts" made me think he most likely was not fond of Rachels eyelashes, make up,and hair extensions. .. Methinks I'm right after seeing that text...

I just remember a much talked about ex on the show that butted heads with Bryan's Mom. I don't know about Rachel's exs, except she seemed to be crying over one when she and Peter had their big break up. Again, Peter said he wasn't going to propose on her face and her families face during hometowns, and pretty much everytime it came up before then, even Byan and Eric knew, soooooo... I just assumed producers encouraged her to keep him around.

Meh. I was unimpressed with that podcast. I was turned off by her invoking the "metoo" movement as a reason to go to "reality Steve " of all people. What she described was no "Metoo" abusive relationship. It sounded messy. Those texts also seemed contrived and odd, like she knew at some point she wanted to share them. Her end of the conversation seems to fit that profile. I don't find Rachel a victim either. She needed to admit she was smitten with the "pretty boy" (I know ymmv as to his attractiveness, but many find him distracting in a good way) so much so, that he was the most uncertain and unstable of the final 6, then 4 and she kept him to final 2... come on really? The voyeur in me would love to hear podcasts from Rachel and Bryans exs...

Does anyone foresee an unknown adult Amerasian man/woman showing up looking for "Jack" as the result of his stint in Vietnam? This show will most likely be on for ages, and I can see this happening...

The ringer thing is the dead horse that can't be beat enough on this show. Frankly if I could dance I would own it and move on. I know they want to talk up the "journey" and all, but at the end of the day it's about voting for your favorite dancer end of story. Many come in with some type of advantage whether it's experience, popularity, or both. At this point I personally want them to "shut up and dance" lol I thought they would make them redo the Argentine Tango. I thought Len didn't like it or something and I think I remember others here speculating that may be the comeback dance.

It's a meaty role or roles I should say. He took over for the original actor in the Broadway production (Anthony Ramos) and played two roles. John Laurens and Philip Hamilton.

Just off the top of my head. (I'm a "Hamilton fanatic so probably not the target audience. My daughter goes to Columbia in NYC and has seen it, which is how I got wrapped up in it lol) They could have done a patriotic music through time sequence maybe going from Aaaron Copeland and ending up with the opening theme to "Hamilton" even if you don't know anything about Hamilton that opener is extremely catchy and infectious. I think it could have worked. I've seen several Dance groups do some spectacular tap routines to the opener. I guess well never know. My other thought is that maybe they didn't get the rights to do the music, ,but I saw the article referenced above about Hamilton a few weeks ago. It didn't seems like Lin had an issue with it,but I don't know who decides these things.

This all day! That's the exact wording I used when watching it live. I too saw it as clunky with awkward transitions, and actually not much actual dance. I am shocked people are calling it iconic. It pretty much looks like her shows. I have no idea who will win, but it's about votes. at the end of the day, as Tom says "vote for your fave". I think Jordan and Lindsey should win (it's so confusing reading about the pairs when there's two Lindseys lol) based on their body of work, but again it's about votes. I somehow thought that Jordan's Freestyle was going to be "Hamilton" based. I'm surprised Lindsey didn't consider that.

ahh I should have picked that up, it was hard to tell what was tongue and cheek with the descriptions lol. I actually did Colorguard at the highschool / DCI level and Dance team in Highschool, which is why I responded as I did. There are some guards out there, just like there are some Cheerleading teams and drill teams, that leave much to be desired, but at the top levels it's an entire different ball game. Getting back to the subject, Randall's answer was clueless, cheerleading tryouts are always at the end of the prior year, he couldn't just walk in and demand she be on the team anyway. I side with the bio Mom on keeping her at her school UNLESS she was receiving an education that was not up to standards.

This is definitely not accurate and I'm guessing it depends on your exposure and experience. Drill team is not the "Best" of the three it is just one of the three. Cheerleaders at the top level can be some of the most athletic groups around. The training that it takes can be relentless. Considering the competition groups have dance breaks inserted, it takes a combination of athleticism, rhythm and skill for groups at the top of their game. I've seen some amazing Cheerleading groups from Tots to College level comprised of girls of all colors. Colorguard is where you were most wrong, or maybe you've never seen the real deal. Yes Colorgaurds do flag work, but the real ones do soooo much more. Did you know there is an entire organization called WGI where Colorgaurds at levels from Middle school to young adult compete? They dance, wear elaborate costumes and don't do just flag work, they also work with rifles and sabors it requires a major amount of coordination dance and skill as well. They also are members of Highschool bands, and a another organization called DCI (a summer program that is marching band on steroids) Some of the best dancers around are members of Colorguard. Here's DCI : Drill team is sometimes a blanket term and it gets interchanged with Dance team, I'd only be speculating as to which style she was referring to. It could be the style popularized by HBCU majorette teams like shown on the show "Bring It". Dejas just 12 so I don't see how a Marching Band would be involved in an Elementary school or even Middleschool activity or it could be more on the drill team dance end. okay I have to slip this one on here, because it showed up on my Dance/Drill team search... it was definitely LIT who knew BYU had it goin on like that lol

It depends on the style of dance. I think Brynns body type and lines do fit what I've seen in the YAGP circuit.

OMG! one hour of the wrestler vs the racists I was so bored. Dean said everything that needed to be said, the rest kept reinventing the wheel so to speak.... btw Dean is the truth, which is why I trust him about Bryan... Lastly, because this segment was a waste, the entire time I was yelling at my screen "Where is Blake K!" That's all I got..

so since this is the spoiler thread as well. Has all of this Reality guy Steves predictions been true. What is his layout for this 3 hour deal next week? Somehow I go to his page and get lost.

That was the other thing I wanted to talk about! How did he describe his occupation? I thought I heard "Doctorate" thrown in there, so I looked it up and the internet said "Graduates of chiropractic schools receive the degree Doctor of Chiropractic" maybe that's what I heard. My daughter is premed at Columbia U in NYC. she has spent the entire summer studying for the MCAT and shadowing physicians. She'll be in school forever. It appears it takes forever to become a Chiropractor too. Maybe that's another reason why he isn't settled....... nah it's definitely Olga....

I think she looks a lot like Robin Givens! Rachel is beautiful (to me), but I've seen many who don't think Rhianna or Robin are gorgeous... we have the internet to thank for that. Peter was a model for years, he was surrounded by beautiful women with insane bodies (I saw a pic of him with an ex). I could see Peter pulling a Brian like in the movie "Something New" (for those that have seen that movie.)

The winner is clearly Bryan (wow Astrid way to go eyeroll) The next Bachelor should be Blake K ! I don't think Peter wants to be "The Bachelor" as much as people think he does. https://www.buzzfeed.com/terripous/an-ode-to-blake-k-the-bachelorette-contestant-who-went-home?utm_term=.kxKdGoadQ#.vhovkV2vZ

Some observations.... Rachel clearly put forth the power play choosing Peter last in the Hometown date to squeeze that "L" word out of him, then tried to play coy when he sat her down to drop the "L" word before going to meet the Parents. It was almost comical Rachel : "why Peter whatever do you mean? what part of our conversation" If Rachel thought Bryan was a douche bag, why did she give him the first Impression rose? I don't believe she thought that for one second.... I wonder if Rache'ls sister is jealous of her. Rachel said growing up, her sister was the beautiful one that got all the attention, now Rachel is getting all the shine... Rachel's Mom is very elegant and has a gentle grace about her. I liked her. If she has already chosen Bryan (according to some) and is just riding it out with the other two, why is she so "Devastated" by what Peter told her? Peter's comment about fake boobs and butts, makes me think he is probably not a fan of the "Bachelorette look" I'm betting he doesn't care for the extentions, make up and lashes at all. .. When Bryan was tying to probe Peter about his meeting with Rachel's parents, he reminded me of those kids back in school who missed a test, and tried to get what was on the test from the students who took it so they could get a better grade. If Bryan is F1 the producers have done Rachel a big disservice with the way they edited him, because right now , she looks foolhardy choosing him.

godbless!! 20 years of marriage here ,but my MIL resided in India unfortunately she passed away. I did however have a friend with a MIL who thought she was going to rule the roost, and what shut her down was my friends husband. He told his Mom that he will not disrespect his wife and backed it up. They are doing great! They've been married 16 years and have 4 beautiful girls. If Bryan does not step up to his Mom (or move as you did) it is not going to work. Not that it would work anyway, in this manufactured 90 day fiance' set up......

Why is no one considering that Eric may have won. Her clue was we wouldn't expect who won. Anyone watching the show would think Bryan has this.

that 50% number is a myth https://qz.com/306166/the-divorce-stat-that-just-keeps-cheating-50/

Did you see the style for the final rose ceremony when she's on top of that windy hill? Whomever styled her hair there should be fired. With it being windy, why not go with something half up and the rest down?

I saw this quote and it certainly describes Peters predicament " It’s 2017, so people have to defend themselves for being reasonable" Hasn't Peter's position been proven by none other than Rachel herself? She threw out the "L" word to Dean and it didn't mean much in the end....

Besides not swallowing her face every second how is the way Peter and Rachel relate to one another (that we have seen) Luke warm? I've been married 20 years. My husband and I are not into public PDA (note I said public). Peter and Rachel look appropriately touchy feely to me. His not willing to throw the "I love you" to stay in the hunt tells me he doesn't need that stunt to stick around. That's interesting considering the others do. Perhaps their personality bench is not as deep. Most of this manufactured experience is on the cutting room floor. Her break down when Matt left is evidence of this. What we are being shown is in no way the whole story. I haven't watched the Bachellorette since season 1, so I had to google Des (Deserie?) I now know why Rachel is so bent on getting the full package out of this show. There's the pressure of being the first Black lead, but the gravy train if you make it work is pretty darn sweet! Covers of magazines, baby nurseries getting sponsored. I don't think she's that shallow, but I also don't think that hasn't crept into her mind just a tad...

So much to dish so little time... The house that Eric's family was at, looked like it was staged by the ABC producers. (I love interior decorating, so I have this bad habit of looking at the background during TV shows and movies). It had all the marks of recent makeover. The type of candles lit, the furniture arrangement, It just looked more like a model home..... -Eric needs to bake a little longer before he's ready for Rachel's desire to not only to get a proposal, but be married and have kids... I don't see it. -Bryan, Bryan... I just don't know... His Mom was right about one thing, you are marrying the family in a sense. The red flags should be up, I didn't hear Bryan step to his Mom at all. For thier relationship to have any legs, he'd have to put his Mom in her place when it came to Rachel. I have seen this first hand. Rachel and Bryan would never make it down the aisle. She would be all up in their relationship from day 1! - Peter - If Rachel was really looking for solid husband material, of this group, it's this guy. If you think about marriage, and specifically kids, as she keeps going on about, the things you need to move that forward reside in his background. His honesty doesn't bother me. I've been married for 20 years. He's the only one being real about this. Hot and heavy is great, and there is a place for that, but it does not make a lasting marriage. If she really is considering chancing the biggest decision of her life, she had better start asking the same questions he is. -My heart broke for Dean, and I felt his "I love you" to Rachel was a last gasp of air to remain in the hunt when his Father (who for me seemed to have more going on than just grief, I sensed some possible undiagnosed mental illness)sucked all of the air out of the room and some. When did Rachel tell him she loved him to? Did I miss that?

Why are the contestants allowed to keep their social media accounts active? I would think the Network would want them to go dark until they are eliminated. on that note... I saw Alex's Instagram today, boy does he hold a candle for Dean...