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https://televisionpromos.tumblr.com/post/179161778045/supernatural-14x02-gods-and-monsters-sneak-peek/embed Sneak Peek. No Michael. Just Sam, Bobby and Mary.

My guess is the new super monsters who want Sam to be the supreme commander of Heaven/Hell and in between. Dabb said Sams' leadership role was part of a bigger story he couldnt' talk about.

This was from me. I sent into into TVLine's spoiler colum hoping to get a feel for the aftermath and what's Dean's role would be. The way I worded it I never thought it would get answered. Not sure if you saw it but I posted a link up thread of a spoiler I found on tumblr. Someone was watching filming and they said they saw Jared and Alex filming and someone gets kidnapped and Alex was yelling. They said Jensen and Misha werent' there so it can only be Sam that gets kidnapped. My guess is that all the AU hunters will be all hands on deck wanting to go rescues Sam and Dean will be super duper impressed by how much loyalty Sam inspired in them. So of course whatever the aftermath is is going to be about Sam. I've been saying that since the end of last season that they were going to use Pellegrino to pleace Jensen in the storyline.

It’s a tvline artcle. I can link when I get home. I don’t know how on my phone.

I don’t know how to link on my phone but an article just dropped on Twitter that basically confirms that everything we were told at comic con is a lie. Michael isn’t the big bad. He gets taught a lesson by monsters. There is no aftermath. Dabb all but said this was about getting giving other character breathing room. Looks like hat wasn’t far off the mark.

Dean's big goal in life is apparently for Sam not to be his little brother anymore. So much for Dean getting his role back. He's just going to end up another flunkie in Sam's army. One of many lessons Dean will learn this season I guess and how he held everyone back. Maybe he can start calling Sam, Mr. Sam. She didn't even answer the question about what Dean's role was.

All my reasons belong in the bitch/jerk thread. It's kind of a double edged sword. On one hand its good that they trust Jensen but on the other, he flat out asked for help. Which means Dabb had actually no clue how to help, and the reach out if you need it was an empty gesture. We found out back in March that Dean was going to play another character which means that Dabb had seven months to think about it. The best he could come up with was SuperVampires. This is why I will never believe the Michael story was the priority.

I feel the same. Dean takes what life throws at him and tries his hardest to make it work. That's why I think he adapted to living with Lisa and Ben. But given the opportunity the hunting life had the stronger call. In WIAWSNB Dean's wish wasn't for a normal life. It was simply for his mom to live. He had no other expectations. His dream world was far from perfect. In his own head he felt his family would see as him as ne'er do well alcoholic. He didn't get along well with Sam and they had nothing in common. It's not what I would think Dean's "heaven" would look like. I don't think Dean defines normal like Sam does. Sam thinks of TV version of normal. Whereas for Dean, normal is his life. He doesn't need to define it. For me the pivotal moment with Sam came in Book of the Damned when he was talking to Charlie. Sam tells her this is his life and he loves it., but its the prefect example of saying one thing but body langange and tone saying something different. Sam has never embraced hunting like Dean has and he usually needs an external reason to keep going. But in that chat with Charlie he reminded me of someone was was resigned to his fate, and accepted it because he didn't think he could change it. This is why I think the British Men of Letter appealed so strongly to Sam. It wasn't because he was stupid, it was because he was blinded by the idea of eliminating all monsters and seeing a chance to get out of hunting for good.

Acutally, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this. But with Pellegrino in the mix and Dabb's hard on for him, I can see Michael leaving because Nick is a superior vessel.

Yes. that brought so many Dean feels.

I disagree. I think there is a part of Dean that wants a normal life but he's accepted that its not something he can have. So he makes the best of a bad situation. He appreciates all the little things in life. That's why I think he nested. He's a walking definition of when life hands you lemons make lemonade. I remember reading a copy of a script for the episode Home. The there was more to the scene where Dean tells Sam what he remembers. He says that he remembered their mom giving him milkshakes and that that it was the last time he ever felt safe. So I always thought this is what normal represents to Dean and what he craves most of all. Safety and security and knowing his loved ones were okay. I think Dean needs family and friends. It doesn't matter if that's an old bunker or a house with a white picket fence. I always believed because of that line in home and from Jensen's portrayal that he loved the idea of what Lisa and Ben represented, more than he love them. I'm not saying he didn't care about them. he obviously did but I don't think Dean was really ever in love with Lisa. He very much came across as a guy going thought the motions. He might have been holding a job and having barbecues but we know his mind was on Sam the whole time. He was trying to figure out how to get Sam out of the cage, which meant there was a good chance he wasn't sleeping much. Which we saw when it seemed like Dean had been awake all night. Plus, we know he was having nightmares and drinking. (That is why what Bobby, Cas and "Sam" did was exceptionally cruel. But that;s for another post). That doesnt' really sound like someone who found what he was looking for to me.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/10/17/supernatural-jensen-ackles-michael-season-14/ Dabb sucks. Jensen flat out said, Dabb gave him no direction. This also show he put no thought or effort into planning the Michael storyline or what kind of Villian Michaael. was. No wonder I think these writers are lazy. Dabb- if you need help reach out. Jensen- I'd like some help Dabb- do your own thing. Youve seen Christian Jensen- so imitate Christian Dabb- do your own thing. Did I mention Dabb sucks. I really hope Jensen doesn't add too much humor in. Michael doesn't seem like that type. If I have one criticism of Jensen's its that he can take a humor a bit too far. But it does sound like we might get more Michael this ep. Which is something I guess.Insert other media

http://naruhearts.tumblr.com/post/179114836326/spn-s14-set-notes-hello-loves-yes-i-was-on-set Found these spoilers on tumblr. From the sounds of it Jared was filming with ALex. So from the sounds of it Sam gets kidnapped. So more limp/suffering over the top Sam. Yay/sarcasm.

Sam more than earned Dean's lack of trust and then didn't think he really needed to earn it back. When it counted, when Sam was going to say yes, Dean had his back, even apologizing for his lack of trust. (Something he did three times). I don't think Dean didn't want Sam to do the trials because he didn't trust Sam or thought he would screw up. He wanted to do them because he felt he was expendable and was sure God's obstacle course was a death sentence. Sam was the one that didn't listen. Dean was supportive of Sam all through the trials. In Clip show, for example, we have Dean standing up for Sam when the priest asked if he was okay. Sam's judgement was suspect. He was hallucinating and having a hard time to tell reality from fantasy. You don't trust someone in that situation not matter how much respect you have for their abilities. Just the episode before Sam went for a drive with his hallucination and almost killed Dean. When Sam took off in the middle of the night Dean shouldn't be blamed for his first thought being Sam might have wondered off with Lucifer again. Anyone would think that. In fact, Sam shouldn't have been hunting period. I'm trying to think of times when Dean didn't have faith in Sam's abilites? Wasn't Sam the one constantly saying that Dean was giving up and in trouble and getting worse? Wasn't Sam the one lying and doing things behind Deans' back?

Maybe I should have said that I don't think either Sam or Dean like each other that much. They and the world are better off if the brothers are apart. I think the show, unintentional as it might have been shows us they flourish when they're separated. But at least I feel Dean has respect for Sam's abilities and skills. With Sam, not so much.

Dabb already spoiled it. He did another interview and he specifically said that Sam and Dean were on the case and they end up on the same case as Jody. I tend to think they're looking for someone matching Kaia's description. I think its just worded that way for people who don't follow spoilers

What happens when Dean comes back and thinks they should handle a situation by doing X and Sam thinks they should handle it by doing Y. Is Sam going to start complaining about being put at the kiddie table again? Is Dean going to be allowed to have an opinion other than yes, no or how high? This is why I'm dreading the aftermath of Dean. How many lessons is Dean going to be made to learn? How many of the AU hunters are going to tell Dean to stop bossing Sam around?

I re-watched Bedtime Stories. I miss when Dean was bad ass. In the end when the crossroads Demons says "You'll be glad when Deans' gone." I think she struck a nerve. But I do believe that Sam doesn't like Dean very much.

This is the biggest problem, I don't care if Sam succeeded or not. I cared that he never even tried. I didn't know where he was isn't an excuse. How many times on this show have they said "we've investigate less." If someone disappears law enforcement doesn't just shrug their shoulders. They start with where the victim was last sceen, speak to friends and relatives, retrace steps of where they were supposed to be, check for predators who might be living in the area, etc. Sam could have done the equivalent. He was standing in leviathan headquaters. He could have scoured for some clue. He could have tried praying to Cas, monitored lore for unusual signs. Most of all he could have had faith in this brother. Dean's scrappy and a survivor and has an ability to think outside the box. (or at least he did before Dabb took over). He's manged to pull off the improbable before. Plus, he had a fully powered angel to help protect him. Sam owed it to Dean to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. +100. He acted like he wished Dean never came back. That's the impression I got too. \ I didn't even need Sam to apologize. I just wanted him to to understand why Dean was so hurt. If Sam couldn't figure that out, then people really need to stop using empathy as a Sam trait. It seems he only can truly empathize with someone if it connects back to him somehow. He certainly acted like Dean was holding him captive. I remember Sam complaining that free will was only for Dean.

I think they're putting their own spin on things. All indications are that Dean is free by the end of episode 2. I don't know why Kaia is in this episode but I don't think its to save Dean. I think the "mystery" is trying to figure how how to stop Michael now that he's no longer in Dean's body but in Nicks. (I still think this will happen).

Dean even figured out how to communicate with Sam from another decade. Immediately after Dean disappears Sam asks. "Where are they Crowley?" So it seems at that time he thinks they're alive. This part is not a direct response to any most, just my musings. I have to wonder if Gamble, who also was a self-admitted Sam girl set up the purgatory storyline to do exactly what Dabb did with the Michael story. Get Dean off screen so Sam and the other characters can breath. Crowley specifically says that Sam will have stop the leviathans from organizing. I wonder if she was trying to push this leader Sam agenda, but got derailed when when she was replaced and Carver went in a whole other direction. She's been praising Dabb multiple times on Twitter. This is why I don't buy Sam as a leader. If he wants to lead he had plenty of opportunities but never took them.

Someone did a transcript of the two dialogues side by side. The bolded parts are what was cut out. Including the lines, "thats what they say they want. When the lights are out they don't want peace or love" (paraphrasing). The was probably the most important line because it explains a large part of Michael's motivations. Someone in the writers room must watch Lucifer. Because

Jensen's and Danneel's prank war is the best thing ever. I await Danneel's revenge.

Ruth Connell summed it up best. Working with Jensen Ackles is like staring into the sun.

For me the difference is that I don't think Carver's intention was to throw Sam under the bus. Because from the sounds of interviews authroiral intent was clearly to show Sam had matured. He was stated multiple times. I think at first he genuinely wanted to give the brothers a healthier relationship. I believe his intention was to show that Sam grieved and then moved on rather than trying to make a deal. To show they learned from their mistakes. But I think he went wrong with not having Sam try. He should have opened the season with Sam standing a crossroads looking to make a deal, realizing he couldn't go down that road again, that Dean wouldn't want him too, and then driving away he hits the dog. Exact same season, whole different context. Same with Season 9. I don't think we were supposed to side with Dean. I just think in both instances Carver underestimated Jensen. When people protested, I think he went way to far in there other direction and made the brothers, especially Dean, more clingy and co-dependent than ever. But with Dabb, yes, He clearly has every intention of throwing Dean under the bus and has been stripping away Deans' legacy. It becomes more and more obvious.