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I'll believe its Dean when I see it happen on screen. Given the way this season is written, the confrontation being with Mary makes more sense. Since I don't give a damn about Mary, I'd rather they flipped and Sam bring Mary out and Dean go be badass at the BMoL's headquaters, The whole sequence with Mary, is just more highlighting everything they did wrong with her this season. Which is the relationship is so one sided with Dean doing all the work.

My first thought was that the broken leg person was Dean. There is a glimpse of the feet and its looks like Dean's red boots. Why would Dean trust Lady Toni to mess around in his head? Why would she agree to help and not turn him while he's under. It's not like Mary would give damn. Whether the writers realize or not it also shows just how little attachment Mary has to her grown sons. The fact that Dean has to appear in her head as little Dean in order to get through her programming tells me she probably only sees grown Sam and Dean as her sons in name only. Its why none of this "I'm doing it for my boys, they mean everything to me, doesn't work." Because they don't really if she was brainwashed so easily and her grown sons don't trigger any feelings for her. But I'm guessing that Ketch is about to stab Dean when Mary "wakes up" and kills Ketch and saves Dean, completing her redemption arc. Then Dean and Mary hightail it to the cornfield the men of letters bunker where The Raid is all finished when they get there, then Cas will show up and set up the bridge into the season finale.

It looked like he was firing it in the washed out world, not during The Raid.

That would go a long way to redeeming the season but I don't think they'd go there. It would make Sam look dumb for not realizing that he spent the whole season with a replicant. JP said at a con that he was shocked they went there and he's excited for it. So I'm guessing its Adam. That pic doesn't look like Dean. The hair doesn't look right.

Me too. Unless its Dean, but I doubt it. I'd rather Dean be in the raid too. Mary isn't worth the effort, IMO

Based on the pictures it looks like they might split up. Dean stays behind to save Mary and Sam takes over the raid. Dean's the leader of team free will and I'll be equally disappointed if we don't get so see that.

This was Sam and Dean standing around and getting caught by the secret service level of stupid. The behind the back shot and slide were unfortunately runined by Dean getting taken down so easily by LadyIwishyouhadstayedgone.

Apparently that hashtag trended briefly on Twitter. I wonder if there was bad blood between the show and Robbie Thompson when he left. As for as I understand it that if a writer creates a character they get a fee whenever that character is used. Thompson's characters all seem to end up being killed off I always found it strange that Charlie didn't get at least one appearance after her death. Now, Eileen.

The Good Dean being a bit of a badass again. That behind the back shot and the the slid was all kids of awesome. Jensen just looks like a natural too. When Sam retreived the colt from Mick why didn't he immediately hand it over to Dean whose the marksman, rather than give it to Eileen. That never made any sense, Someone finally calling John's abuse, abuse. That's about it. The Bad Just about everything else. The stupid stick comes out again Toni being back Why didn't Dean shoot Ketch? Crowley being in league with the men of Letters. Does anyone in the writers room even try anymore? That makes the Brits hypocrites among everything else that they are wiling to work with demons.. No way their code would let Crowley live. Mary. They've completely ruined the character. If she dies I'll feel bad for Sam and Dean but that's about it. They were so desperate not to turn her into one cliche they turned her into another. I'm convinced that Mary would have eventually gotten bored with the whole Suzy homemaker routine and left. Dean was better off with his memories. Sam was better off not knowing her. Why after ignoring her boys all season am I supposed to believe they suddenly mean everything to now. Im neutral on Eileen's death. I liked the character and have nothing against her but I've learned not get attached. That ridiculous shot at the end. Die Lucifer Die and take your spawn with you.

Given what we've seen of Claire's hunting skills I think its only a matter of time. They also still want Claire dead, so she's not out of the woods, and that hunt put her on their radar since her name would have been in Mick's report. Without Samuel Campbell Dean would have been a vampire. Doesn't make Samuel a good person. As for enjoying the perks, that seemed to be a one time thing that they got because Mick tagged along. From what we've seen there is no evidence Sam and Dean are using the Brits technology or gadgets. I wouldn't exactly say they're enjoying themselves and all the Brits have to provide. Dean seems downright miserable, and I wish he would quit but he wouldn't leave Sam. If he did, he wouldn't be the Dean we've seen for 12 seasons, MMV

I disagree with this because who are they passing the information too? Exactly what information are they passing? Mary, Sam and Dean are the only American hunters willing to give them the time of day. Mary has almost no contact with the brothers and the brother are always together. There is no one else for the Brits to talk to but each other. So far all the Brits have really done is assign cases, cases that are nothing special and ones Sam and Dean would have been more than capable of finding on their own, if they were still looking. They aren't doing anything Bobby, Ellen or John didn't do in the past. They're not asking Sam and Dean to take out packs of werewolfs or Vampires or any other monster. Just one at a time. The Brits are not having Sam and Dean hunt the way they do, by hanging back and taking out large numbers. As for Sam and Dean not changing they're hunting styles, they have in the fact that they don't look for their own cases anymore and are reporting for duty and making reports. Something they never did in the past. The BMoLs might be able to find more cases but who exactly are they passing them off too besides the Winchesters? Unless they brought over an whole bunch of their British Hunters or Mary and Ketch are doing the majority of the killing. That to me, really isn't disseminating more information. It's exactly how Sam and Dean do it. Find a case investigate. They've done nothing special with American hunters. American Hunters were always disorganized and mostly loners, from what we've seen. They're still the exact same. Given what we saw in The Raid, they're is also good reason to be suspect of any intel they provide. They may have done some good things, but they aren't nice people (with maybe the exception of Mick). How many humans and mosters that didn't deserve it got in their crossfire. They make kids kill other kids. They wanted to kill another hunter over a tragic accident. They want to eliminate all American Hunters for no other reason then they won't do things the Brits way. They torture humans. Why do they want monsters gone? I think its about control not saving lives. If he was they would care more about collateral damage. If they had a motto, I think it would be Controling things, hunting thing, my way or the highway business. What makes it bad for Sam and Dean to have worked with them is summed up easily for me. They don't value human life.

I'll be disappointed if Dean's confrontation with Mary is him trying to talk her out of killing him rather than just a moment between them that should have happened at the beginning of this season. But the writers love repeating themselves and using this trope. But its what I expect to happen. Because then it would explain why Sam and Dean only have each other in a dangerous situation, if Mary is after them. I'm not really excepting Dean to be the one who gets to take out Ketch, I figure it will be Mary or Sam.

https://www.tvinsider.com/191308/supernatural-david-haydn-jones-interview-arthur-ketch/ New interview with Ketch, So it seems like they're going to brainwash Mary. I'm guessing that is why they seem to be releasing her. So she can get close enough and possibly attempt to kill Sam and Dean. I really want to see Dean punch Ketch in the face.

I figure if by some cross roads deal it did happens, i figure something bad would happen that will just end up piling more grief and guilt on Dean's shoulders.

My speculation for the sneak peek, Sam tinkers with colt, Dean frets about Cas.

I think Dean knew this was going to be like talking to a brick wall. Sam's actions suggested he wasn't interested in Dean's opinion on the matter. Plus, I feel that if Dean did try I feel like Sam would use the little brother default the show likes to pull out in these situations. "You need to trust me." "Stop treating me like a little kid" "Stop being so bossy." But since I feel like this is getting to close to bitch/jerk, I'll just agree to disagree.

When Sam agreed to join, he told Mick to give him time with Dean. Sam didn't come clean right away. Sam might not have came right out and said my way or the highway, but his words to Mick and his actions certainly supported this. If he truly cared what Dean's feelings were on the matter, Sam would have come clean right from the start. He didn't. He lied. What makes it worse is that Sam saw how hurt and upset that Dean was when Mary did it, but that didn't deter him in the slightest from doing the exact same thing. It suggests that Sam doesn't care what Dean's feeling are on the matter. Sam had an agenda, to get Dean around to his way of thinking and he did that by having Dean work with with them without Dean's knowledge for several cases. If I was supposed to see a Dean that was all gung ho about working for the Brits someone didn't give Jensen the memo. He even tells Sam "If that is what you want. His actions remind me of someone who is weary and resigned and just going along to keep the peace. He knows Sam is stubborn, and he knows that any arguments he give will fall on deaf ears. It's clear Dean doesn't trust them and wants nothing to do with them, but that didn't matter to Sam before he agreed to join so what would make Dean think that would matter to Sam afterward. Yes, Dean could have refused but then he knows Sam isn't going to stop. That he was going to keep working for them. Then he'd be leaving Sam alone with these douchbags. At this point in the series, I don't need Dean to say the words, "I'm doing this to keep you safe Sam" because the show has made it more then clear this is Dean's top priority. IMO, what Dean is doing here is trying to make the best of a bad situation. During Ladies Drink Free, Dean is complaining about having to report for duty. Sam's response is to once again defend them. So he clearly isn't listening to anything Dean has to say. Honestly, Dean reminds me so much of someone who is just going through the motions, and just barely, at that. If he really was on board as the show is trying to say than why is Dean suddenly making Sam do all the research, take the lead on comforting/questioning witnesses, come up with all the plans while he....well I'm not really sure what Dean has been doing all this time. He's lost all his fight skills, and the ability to hold his weapon, if he even can figure out where the fight is or show more enthusiasm for burgers and waitresses (I don't mean that in a bitch/jerk kind of way just an explanation.) The one time Dean, managed to look alive during a hunt was the one that had nothing to do with the Brits. So while, that may not have been the writers intention its what took place on screen.

I'd like to see this as well. I don't need Sam to grovel, or for the scene to go on for five minutes or for the past to be brought up, just Sam saying he should have listened to Dean's instincts, just like Max said he should have listened to Alicia. I've always felt that Sam didn't' join just for Mary. I feel like even without Mary he still would have eventually asked for a decoder ring. After all he was the one who contacted Mick (behind Dean's back) before they even tried to recruit Mary. I think Mary might have been a part of it, but I think he mostly joined up because he was impressed by their tech, and their mission startment. He did tell Mick that he wanted to be a part of their team and we saw him having very little contact with Mary after that. Yeah, Dean spent time with Ketch but he immediately knew he was bad news.

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This promo doesn't have such a close up of scene of Dean firing the gun. Does it look like blood on his hand? Since the show loves its parallels, I wouldn't be surprised if Dean was left the last man standing like Sam was at the end of s7.

I know, just mostly using that as a way to explain why are feel there are times a kill can be subjective. 99% of the time I do feel its objective but there are always those exceptions, and I was just using Lester's wife as an example. A Sam/Dean one might be Ruby. Dean stabbed her but Sam held her. Depending on a how a person views the scene they could credit both or just Dean. There are also those that fall through the cracks, like Magda. Sam saved her but in the end Ketch killed her. So is that really a save?

It makes sense. Because in the right circumstances everything can be subjective. A save is one. For example, in baseball say its the bottom of the 8th and the other team has the bases loaded and nobody out. So the set up guy comes out of the bull pen and gets a strike out and a double play and prevents the team from scoring. Then in the bottom of the ninth the closer comes out of the bull pen to start the bottom of the ninth and there is nobody on base and he get 3 outs. Who gets the save? The official record record gives the save to the closer because he pitched the last inning. You really could make an argument for both. A case can be made that there would be no game to save without the 8th inning guy coming through. Then on the other side of the coin, you can say that without the ninth inning guy shutting the opposing team down they could have still won. Neither is really right or wrong it would just depend on how you define save. The eight inning guy gets the less glamorous hold. In SPN, during Windego, Dean lured the creature away and Sam lead the others out of the cave. Who gets the save. On one hand Sam is leading the people away from danger but a case could me made what Sam is doing is more of a hold since without eliminating the threat the people are still in danger. Depending on how you were defining save, you could give it to Sam or to Dean. Again neither is really right or wrong. As for kills, if I'm understanding you right, that a kill is a kill if just look at just the physical act but sometimes it can be more than that. A good example is Lester's wife. Say for example a demon killed her. Objectively, the demon who killed her is the one who did the killing, but Lester put a contract on her. IMO, Lester is equally responsible for that kill because of that. The courts would also hold Lester just as responsible.

Maybe someone can make a deal with Crowley to get Kim Manners back.

I don't know if it would really be a step back, since Carver is still listed as an executive producer on the show, which means the show would still be paying him.

That would mean that Dabb was lying because he said that everyone was in a precarious predicament and that some would live and some would die. The first five minutes of the Australian panel. Jensen and Jared do a reenactment of something they filmed that could further suggest Dean is hurt. It's about 1:40