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Tragically, I also sensed a setup for some C/M pitfall in this one. Injury boots one? Cant believe Alex has any defense after this ep. How dare Cody not fall for the things I admit with a smile to the camera are manipulations and think I'm against him when he catches me sticking to a stupid and obvious lie?! Alex has a very poor character. It's been ingrained in his head to be and that he is a "good" person, but he's merely a polite person, which is not at all a direct line to a good person. A little personal integrity would go a long way with him. They still have camps 8 - 10? A/G must hang on a bit, as two eps with just C/M would be boring, unless the setup is that C/M go at one another to get all the money in the end.

Jeez, another "Let me endanger the nation to save my histrionic spouse" plot, again done right under Mullens' nose. It's one thing to not have any new ideas from the old 24, but this one doesn't have any new ideas from this one season of 24. Monster Terror Daddy in hiding for however many years. Come on! With Nicole now in CTU, I predict this season will end like Jack/Teri in S1. The mole (Rebecca) will kill her, leaving Carter free to grieve, dedicate fully to CTU, and endure a string of improbably sexy result-minded partners.

I don't consider staying silent while your friends in power abuse those who aren't to be a virtue (or "a strategy" please!) in which one should take pride. It actually reads to me as more cowardly to outsource your abuse through a surrogate, especially if the argument is "at least Alex knew it was wrong." That makes it worse! I do think Alex is perhaps the only one of the dim Four who saw how this could potentially escalate if they didn't make some concessions to C/M. But again, he did nothing to stop his group. IMO you're not missing anything with the Alex articles. It's exactly the same hypocritical, oblivious, and thin excuses he delivers to us on the show, with the same shocking lack of awareness in evaluating his own behavior.

Wait, so how is this final going to go down? The 2 Champs vs. 4 Challengers in the final worth a large lump sum to add to and ultimately split their team bank account? Then how do we get a CT/Nelson/Cory - Ashley/Camila/Nicole ranking? Who gets the team money?

I actively dislike that pair. Alex is the only one I like and have since day one. I think the campers lost me that night Chris quit, after the Four denied them a tarp/tent and made them sleep in the rain, then when Chris told them that's why he was quitting, they told him bye from inside their tent and cackled as he left. At that point, the Four are actively trying to get people to quit by forcing them into the elements and controlling the buys, and no amount of whiny Alex talking heads about knives cutting both ways makes me sympathetic to his plight now. It certainly didn't help that the campers' single night in the rain nearly broke them in the next round. You reap what you sow. Hope C/M turn the screws now.

On Naked and Afraid they do 21 days with virtually nothing and do far more work than these chumps do, so nobody is dying from this or from scurvy, with their cheeseburgers, subs, pizza, and rotating feasts. If C/M get that tent away from them/destroy it I give it a matter of hours before G/A go out. Both have already be shown to us to have a shaky resolve. But if it doesn't happen in the next few days, they'll be closer to the end and it will be harder to get them out, so C/M really do need to strike now. Agree the last couple camp switches will just be carrying the money. It might be worth it to splurge on a pizza that round just to not have to carry the cooking stuff. And I'm also sure one if not more of these switches will be flat out impossible to make, to up the blame game.

Yea! After this week's delightful turn of events I have hope C/M can force A/G out and split a decent prize at the end. As it should be. Say goodbye to your every four day pizza and burger binge, bitches! I don't believe Eyelash's appendix diagnosis. She's already proven herself to be lying garbage, and you could see on her face she knew calling in medical was the way for her to quit/claim later she didn't want to flare. Bullshit. That's a quit, after days of poor decisions such as leaving clothes for the tide to take and drinking dicey water. I look forward to next week's barrage of Alex's awareness-free, weak-chinned interviews whining about how rude C/M are being. I'm sure MTV will give the temptation to A/G though to try and keep them in.

Yeah, all these kids have severe issues that makes signing any of them seem like a babysitter taking home one of their charges at the end of the night. And that's taking the total lack of actual talent here as an absolute given, of course. Ian: Total douche. He reminds of one of those kids from O-Town (I'm old!) who was constantly bitching about being an artist and being too good for this cheesy pop shit. I saw a 'where are they now' on him and he's exactly nowhere, still strumming his guitar in his living room and saying nobody recognizes his brilliance. Having your kid live on his own in LA at fifteen is not the way for anything good to happen. Trust. And even artists of that type who do make it have short shelf-lives. Jason Mraz, Jack Johnson, Ryan Cabrera, all those AI winners...you don't hear much from them anymore. Cravetay and Deneen: Trash. Look forward to a future of endless baby-mama drama with third-tier rappers and being pimped out for tracks to alleged producers by mom. Grant: Maybe they should go country with him? He doesn't seem pretty/marketable enough to sell the pop thing. Dull. The blonde highlights are ghastly on him. Madisyn Or however she spells it: On the Rebecca Black/Dance Mom-spawn level. Nothing special; nothing to see here. Been made so insecure by Mom she's personality-free. Ashlund: Girl, please. Sounds like pure dogshit even with auto tune, a feat I wasn't sure possible before now. Maybe try acting with her? And please. These lifetime showbiz kids like Timberlake and Beyoncé have the education of North Koreans and aren't writing shit for themselves. Pharrell said point blank in the Blurred Lines lawsuit the artist gets a writing credit for doing nothing if you want them to perform it.

Playing cards?! Three pizzas when it's been four days since the last one and they could be buying rice AND get temptations?! For C/M, it seemed to me Alonzo clearly only handed them the tablet to fuck with them since he knew his group would only let them get the PB (and now vows to get them nothing! Which, is kind of where all this started! Idiots!) I agree they do have to weigh spending the prize on supplies vs. keeping themselves strong enough to make the camp switches and carry the money, but the Four certainly are not being thrifty. And Alonzo was laughing in their faces during the buy, which led to the Cody reminder that they're the broke ones so he can do this tit for tat spending battle all the way through. Cody was a douche from jump/is now but has proven tough. Makani didn't start this way; she's beating the Four at the petty game they are consisfently stupid enough to perpetuate.

Team Makani. Love how she's turning the screws to The Four Losers. If they weren't so goddamn pathetic, her power plays wouldn't break them the way theirs don't remotely affect her. They scant miss a chance to run some bullshit on her and she cuts them back 10x. If we're still voting one of these dopes into the Challenge, please be her. I also think all will maintain to the end at this point, sadly. If they do a next season, don't let them buy tents! That will keep garbage like Gina/Eilish from staying.

This season is terrible, so I guess it really is a legacy with 24. How many eps have been spent now fiddling with this flash drive? And another Carter endangers the world to bait a bad guy out of hiding gambit we're supposed to view as heroic and not insanely stupid? At least Jacks insanely stupid plans usually only ended in him being tortured, not the nation at large. Are we sure Carter isn't the mole? I mean, I guess the main mole has to be Mullens/Rebecca, since we got that setup, but he has betrayed his country for his wife who doesn't even seem to like him several times now. None of these stories land. CarterWife-Bro are in cougar country, the family dynamics on the Smits side are too undercooked to play as anything but filler, and far away and easily the worst CTU characters of any season, certainly starting with but not ending at everything Andy. I'm surprised his character name isn't Gay McJewerson, since his only traits are broad stereotypes. Also, the Carter busts out of the chair to go for grenades was some of the worst staging there's been on this show. It took a laughably long time for that play out. And did we even get a token reason they didn't just kill him right away? And dont these sleeper cells know that they are sleeper cells? So can't they just make a Youtube vid saying "Flash drive gone. Activate!"? Ugg.

Oh Jenna. As much as this is a pattern for Zach, we also heard she had this same dynamic with Jay (he cheated left, right and sideways, then decided she was awesome and wanted her back - because who doesn't need a doormat who will believe any lie you tell her?). She is a sweetheart, and I did feel bad for her when the Gossip Girls were turning into the evil whore like they did Kailah, but that was also hilarious and I love Amanda and Ashley so Im not too heartbroken. Zach is fake as fuck. That hidden footage of him saying women were created to serve man and his home affect in the self footage are the real him, id bet heavily. No quote love for "You came in, pissing all over the place, working out - that never helped you in the game, dude"? I don't watch any RW anymore so I don't know any of these people's awfulness from there, but I like Sylvia and not kailah from this so I was happy with it. I do remember Shane not fondly and this is confirms that. Love Darrell. Ashley K is a waste of a champ. They don't even bother to give her TH. Goddamn, Tony is dumb. He won't age well, either. And I also wondered what this "from day one" daddy awesome bullshit is when he had the kid last season and was a horrible mess. Because he's still with this baby mama, it's different? He's hopeless. I like Camila, though. She did have a rough go last time and I actually believe she's not a psycho in reality. CT is making the Timmy transition to maudlin coach. Make him the host (doesn't TJ want to be a fireman or some shit?) and move on. Cory lives in my neighborhood (so does Jordan, eh) and i wouldn't want to fuck with him. He is jacked and pretty tall in real life, so I'm pretty sure his only strategy is to beat people if he goes in.

No quote love for "Nelson's stroke game is weak!" ?

Kelly Osborne calling something brilliant is like The Elephant Man telling us of physical beauty. English or not, have the education of a spare tire. Simma dow, nah! Was happy Tyler made something not shaped like a potato sack. Izzy is awful. The whining is relentless. And instincts tell me there's likely a reason why most clothes have the brand on the front, not the back. "I'm not interesting, but this plant on my head once was, sort of." Take away the lights and her outfit was something Michael Meyers would slaughter babysitters in.

Uh...this might mean something were I not actually able to, you know, see and hear them with my own two eyes and ears. Others found them to be that way -- allegedly, second-hand-- I do not. But if true they must be hella stupid to let the show make them look crazy, as "niceness" may well be the only asset either has going at this point.

Holly is ridiculous and ugly. She really has completely lost herself compared to the start of the show. It's a fucking picture taped to a mirror, you hosebeast, not love. Someone's put the bug in their heads that Nia should be the new HBIC since Maddox left, I guess based purely on seniority? But the reason she's the last of the original girls is she sucks too hard to move on and her mom won't walk away from Abby for any abuse. And fatass Nia didn't do the shovel jump because she's obviously much heavier! They could barely hold it with Brynn. The moms telling Yo she has to smile for the camera throughout the performance was revealing. Not sure looking insane and telling us the sky is purple is any better than saying a dance could've been improved, but whatever. I hope before she heads to the clink Abby gives some of these chicks a parting "I always hated you and your child is awful. You should go back to Pittsburgh." Man, that would be sweet.

Well...she doesn't not deserve to be abused and hurt. Janelle needs more consequences, not less. I would prefer David not being the arbiter of that over perceived and stupid slights, but I'm at a point with her where I'll take what I can get.

When I heard davids kid bust out that thick hick accent, I got a flash that she and Jace will be Caitlin/Tyler in 10 years. Jenelle is poison to everyone in her life. Her mothering style is what I would charitably describe as sociopathic in lieu of dangerously delusional. The thought of her being anything but a hinderence to society at any point in her life does not exist in this solar system. Before his next televised cash grab with these gross hags, as he prepares to tell us how positive and wonderful this show is, I wish Sad Panda would consider the read that the show is not about tracing life obstacles foiling these potential-filled plucky young upstarts, but about teen moms generally being so stupid, irresponsible, and messed up that this is all they could ever be. Those wistful dreams about becoming a nurse or a social worker were never going to happen, so there are no sacrifices being made here. The children are completely so the mother will have something that doesn't outright tell her that she sucks for a few years, and then she can resent the kid for stopping her fake big plans and potential, and guilt the kid into viewing her as some goodly saint. It's all self-serving. Chelsea obv doesn't fit this pattern, anymore, but this rest sure do and seem fine to continue apace. Leah's "pitcher" should be next to the definition for trash in a book she is unable to read. Which would be any book. She was "volunteering" to help with the flood? I'm sure. We never saw her doing jack shit, then she said her relentless volunteering caused her to forget she was moving houses that week. She had better hope she's on drugs, as otherwise she's just simply and completely mentally deficient. Didn't we see her amid packed boxes and strewn about stuff in the house at which she currently lives? Yet she forgot she was moving? I mean...I hate her. Stupid people like her lying about stupid things like her sad life is such a waste of everyone's time. Nobody really cares. The only person she's spinning her wheels to convince is herself. I also loved her declining to talk to Germy and telling the producer her bullshit reasons why. How about you tell him, you dumb bitch? Oh, because he'll point out that you're a junkie whore and tell you to STFU? Got it. javi doesn't owe Kails first kid a goddamn thing, but I'm sure the cameras will bully him into doing "the right thing" and staying in his life and all that pap. Gag. Another of kails scams. Encouraging a guy who thinks you're dogshit to spend time with your kid while you hook around. Brilliant. Funny how for these girls "the right thing" for others to do always seems to line up with them lounging around and banging through endless strings of men on Tindr and Venus-fly trapping around for their next child support payer/soon to be evil SOB who won't love my first several discarded spawn. And I know this is a common refrain here, but its impossible not to see that once the MTV money and the flies attracted to the lights vanish, 3 of these women will be in some pretty dire straits. I can't wait!

- Homeless rage dad definitely needs meds. And I also laughed at his wardrobe considering the obvious, "Desperate Housewives"-lite shotgun makeover they often give to straight and obvious trash ripped from the trailer on this show. Usually the side we're supposed to take gets the pearls and sensible heels. Since the opposition is usually a man, this works, but it was way too obvious where we were being pointed here. But he was a mess "the kid" would be lucky to get away from, of course. - There may be some single mom shaming in this sex offender relationship show, however this braindead-desperate-to-have-anyone mess of a woman is a staple we see often enough that I think some shaming is warranted. Sometimes it manifests in the "Mom has become a party girl slut" types, or in delusional idiots like this one. Certainly not all single mothers do this, but I also think there are certainly a sufficient number who believe they have to act quickly and think not to nail down anyone good or bad to occupy the other side of their bed, who could use a cold dose of reality. And perhaps, "dont have a kid with fly by night Johnny in your teens so you won't wind up here" is an undercurrent in that? Which i am also fine with. Ive posted here before these sex offender bimbos get no sympathy from me, as this exact setup resulted in the Christmas Day murder of a girl in my state, so, it does happen, and none of these rationalizations will help her then. Sara deserves shame, and anyone who engages in her self-serving short-sighted nonsense deserves the same. Knocked up, alone at 20, and lies she takes her kid to the bathroom everytime is not someone whose life experience or perceptions I would trust more than a criminal court judge. Or pretty much anybody. And polygraphs are complete bullshit in all circumstance. Especially on a teen sex assault victim from years ago. Especially when administered by $hil and mummified corpse Jack Tremarco.

That's a far less cynical read than mine, as everything about this seems like a rented love situation to me. He's her paid boyfriend for the tour, and most of these Tanaka scenes seem shot after the fact (like, last week) to cover the narrative hole of her break-up with Packer. This "Italian villa" we're in this episode looks a lot like her house in LA they showed us already. 20-something world-hopping dancer who she hasn't seen since her last payment cleared likes her for her? A boozy 45 year old with two kids and enough issues to fill a magazine warehouse? I just don't see how this isn't a paid transaction, but I appreciate the optimistic viewpoint, too. Packer just rejoined Scientology, it's been reported. Quite a year, engaged to MC then back to Scientology. Good to know even billionaires aren't immune from obvious and all-consuming mid-life crisises!

Not much to expand, but the show was "Raising Asia." Feel free to search out the boards here/the show itself to draw your own conclusions.

Agree. We've heard the Morman girl explain her POV in designing a different way because of her faith. This is the same as that to me, in explaining what is not Hawaa's POV. And at some point it gets a little bizarre not to address the elephant/clear implication her manner of dress/something on the screen delivers. If one kid was in a wheelchair or one kid was obviously a Satanist or something, that would have to addresssed for the viewer in some way. Wouldnt most people ask/wonder this about Hawaa at first meeting? And doesn't she know this? I'm not sure there's any racist/discriminatory undercurrent to any of that.

Ha! I just got to the preview where Scientology psycho James Packer drops her like a hot potato...reframed as Mariah falling love with hooker-dancer and being torn between true love and the billionaire! I think my eyes just rolled straight into the stratosphere...

I recognize that sleazy dirtbag choreographer Anthony from the Lifetime show with that child dancer Asia, for whom he wrote tarted up songs and was generally a pain in the ass and appeared to be in some type of down low relationship with the girl's father. Not sure Mariah is a step forward or back for him because she's such a joke now, but it doesn't surprise me he has kids scattered abroad (child support? HA!) and needs his tour bus child-free for whores and drugs and the like. Everyone in Mariah's World is straight garbage just eager to debase themselves for the right price, which often times appears to be zero. Tanaka is a hooker who can be and has been anyone's, I'd wager heavily. With absolute certainty, actually. Like everything with Mariah, it's all so controlled and she so clearly has production by the nuts that even if she wasn't the drunk, delusional mess we all know she is nobody would believe it. The talking heads of her modeling (badly!) the most expensive slutwear from two years ago in soap opera dream sequence lighting are just hideous. Any attempts to show her maternal side while shuffling her kids into a different car than she make me realize her kids are fortunate to have little to do with her, as most humans are. But, are these Nick Cannon's kids? Because he clearly doesnt give a fuck about them either if this is the agreed upon best place for them. What is he so busy doing that he can't provide their precious home base? Her "anniversary" celebration consisting of wholly paid for employees/friends, and a recommendation from notorious predator Lee Daniels about how Mariah had to pay to get her role in Precious reframed as a big-hearted tale...nobody gives a good goddamn about her. And is there any point at which we get to hear her not say Tommy Matola kept her a prisoner, which has in turn put her on this full-tilt skank bender for 20 years now? A. she was an adult then and now, so at some point she needs to take responsibility for her own decision in making some concessions to the label for her own career reasons; if she had busted out this grotesque whore butterfly thing in the 80s she would've gotten rightly trounced for it B. I don't believe her self-serving revisionist history about anything C. its hard to imagine her more insecure/constantly controlled/paranoid/trapped in a loveless situation than she is now Molly is sure incompetent, but let her play in the fucking cake, Stella! She was demeaned for Mariah's pleasure and that was her job for the night. Stella and the inner circle of leeches drink under fireworks, while Molly supposed to be what, doing the dishes or some shit? This mixture babysitter/friend/washed-up drinking buddy does not scream what I would be searching for in a manager. Hideous make-up monster: "Molly has a different way about her." You mean some remaining sense of self that instinctively pushes against becoming a flat out slave there solely for the abuse/pleasure of the wealthy and their ever-changing rotation of sycophants? We don't see Stella doing anything that needs assisting beyond sounding board Stella's nonsense to pad drama out for the camera since the "star" is dull as dishwater. Ive read most of Mariah's income comes from corporate gigs of her singing holiday songs, offers for which will go on forever, so I'm not sure this tour is for anything but the TV show, which could be why it seems so half-assed and like nobody cares if it sucks.

Tim clearly has some kind of bullying/outcast syndrome, judging by his saves (and his late in life love of finding power through a phallic object), but keeping that kid in is not doing anybody any good. I agree with whoever upthread said they now have to string him along for a while no matter how he does to not make Tim look wrong/give some redemption arc. It just means weeks of him being torn apart or lied to by these integrity-free judges. Hawaa did better in that situation than most of the histrionic adults on this show do, and A'kai did seem to spend a lot of time bullshitting around in his own little world, so I can't blame her at all, but this clearly has already sunk her, long-term. I really don't like watching children and being like, "God, I really don't Iike him and hope he leaves," yet here I am! Thanks, show. Asian girl Chelsea seems too rigid in her thinking for me, like, "To create fashion I read that I do X and then Y, if A then Z..." Her parents still probably hope for medical school, is my gist. I just don't see much of an artist in her yet. Didnt think much of Tieler's stiff plant box last week, but I did like the coat this time. Not sure he can do an actual silhouette that isn't a geometric shape, though. I, personally, could also use less of his, "I have two moms and why can't the stupid world see women are so powerful and awesome and great?!" schtick. It makes me sad to see someone so young seemingly so neutered by Jezebel-type thinking, but to each his own, I suppose, and I'm not the one trying to sell them clothes. Chris and Rene are clearly also-ran boot fodder, as is the Morman girl. But obviously the worst designer on this or any show is Purple Pig Kelly Osborne (I'm not interesting, but my hair color is sort of!). Getting advice from her is truly ridiculous, as unless she's teaching nepotism, her witless commentary and crocodile tears on how to achieve life success is as relevant as a dial phone. She reminds me of the Sasha Baron Cohen "Bruno" sketch where he traps fashion people into revealing how they'll say absolute anything and change opinions from "She looks gorgeous!" to "She looks like complete shit!" on a dimension. I don't believe she has any thoughts that aren't handed to her on a 3x5 card that someone else has to read to her.