KarenX

It bears repeating

The one I tasted back in 1979 tasted like cigarettes, because that is what adults did in the 1970s at neighborhood picnics around children: use soda cans as ash trays at the table, before the Soda-Environmemtalist-Industrial Complex swapped out the pull tabs for the push tabs and the drink hole got too small. The Boomers really hated GenX, even then. Our ST Gang has to survive so many hidden dangers!

Owens is also a piece of shit, but at least he’s a no-nonsense, sorry kid yer all just numbers piece of shit instead of mess with your head pretend we’re family Mother Gothel piece of shit. Owens is more honest and respectful to El in that way.

Of course! No one ever thought El killed those kids, and Hawkins Lab didn’t really even care that much. The rip to the next dimension is the real horror.

RE: Will being gay question mark It would really be lovely if Robin turns out to be Will’s Steve, a big kid mentor.

Adult women on TV and in movies, and maybe teenagers now but in the 1980s teens vomiting signaled bulimia. Back then, eating disorders on TV were as ubiquitous as quicksand was in the 1970s.

I think Hawkins crew has been trying to call California crew but have been getting a “weird busy signal.” I liked the junkyard scene but I am not sure how they really weren’t followed there.

And then she grows and marries…. Frozone!

I assumed for no particular reason that it was an adult child and child’s friends.

I think we saw some switch flip in Ava’s brain. I think she saw her mother’s many issues as her mother’s issues, and not Ava’s lifelong failure to please her mother. I think Ava can see herself differently now.

I hope not! It’s too boring. I would like to see Deb expand as a performer, build on something really new. Be inspired and excited by possibilities and opportunity instead of just fighting to hold rank where she’s been for so long. I suspect we will see Ava and Deb’s daughter be the sources of new networking. I don’t think Marcus wants back with Wilson. I want him to find another ridiculously attractive and smart workaholic he can love. And I want to see more of his mother and her friend!

But she got careless/cocky. She won them over the night before, was waltzing around complimenting boobs, and only ever had a superficial interest in the people on the boat. She was half-assing the set with no preparation, and as soon as they cooled on her lackluster performance she lashed out at them. She got huffy with her AUDIENCE. That’s not professional. It was disrespectful and disdainful, and shows how much work she has to do to rebrand herself. Ava knew as soon as Deborah came onstage “doing Ellen” that Deborah was going to fail. Putting them off the boat was amazing and hilarious. I love that the boat lesbians stood up for themselves as a group in such a witty way. What. A. Trip! The cost of the little boat and flights back to the shore completely worth it for the good will and PR. The Ava molly stuff was awesome.!The whole “I was only pretending to like you because of my wife’s leggings” was a very weird plot choice, though.

OMG yes. Although I love Sci Fi Tom Cruise, this is a huge distraction/detriment because hecis not tapping into the Tom Cruise energy that I expect when I see him.

Huh. I don’t see it that way. I see the dichotomy of “feminism” vs “personal fulfillment.” What isn’t clear to me: is the show airing, in Boston or anywhere, during the workday or in the evening when everyone is home? Is it explicitly targeted at women?

I’ve read The Feminine Mystique once and it made good points. Burdens in the book were things like fresh baked cookies after school EVERY DAY and no one made beds in the morning because you were supposed to launder sheets EVERY DAY. A once a week television show about challenging yourself to make art—which was alluded to by Paul in the episode while Julia was writing her speech—is not about performing drudgery. But it’s likely that then, as now, the show or assumptions about the show were talked about more broadly to prove other people’s points, for and against “housewife” as a concept. Possibly caught up in a larger conversation about what public television was for and whether public money should be spent on boring things like women and children (Mr Rogers), and the plebes with “TVs.” Also against a backdrop of civil rights ascendency (which itself is concurrent with a withdrawal from taxes as public duty and civic-mindedness. You guys! There is so much packed into this episode!! I didn’t mean to end up in this place when I started typing with one thumb on a phone about cookies. What Real Julia and Real Betty actually thought was not the point of the scene. The show is adding things for temporal color, to put Julia in a context for modern viewers.

It was a thinly disguised dig at modern-day lifestyle influencers, and I have a rant prepared if anyone needs to hear it and now is a very good time for us all to brush up on our Backlash by Susan Faludi, which keeps being relevant. That said, I find great joy in good food and appreciate Julia’s efforts to elevate something ordinary into a ritual. I don’t really think she was presenting her food for daily consumption. She was a visionary. She was demonstrating what was possible in ordinary kitchens. And I have some 1960s cookbooks and the recipes are generally horrific and unappetizing and I am grateful for our improved cuisine. I’m no chef and my mother was a perfectly fine cook but we (my current family) eat much more interesting dinners now than I ate with my childhood family, even in the 1980s and 1990s.

Anything Nigel says in his ridiculously affected accent but… Well, I guess I am not going to fife myself out, am I? …is my favorite.

I don’t know if that is true. The house was only recently desolate; Alberta was partying there. Over time there has been lots of opportunity to observe/watch (like TV). Flower and Pete and Trevor are all opportunities to actively practice modern English, too. I’m sticking with “Sas has a natural affinity for languages and was probably a multilingual child. So, he can pick up accents seamlessly.” Hetty and Isaac probably knew French but if they didn’t speak it regularly… that’s why those two middle-agers haven’t caught up.

Some people are just better with languages. I also think that the younger you are when you learn your second language the better you are at becoming fluent. I am sure that Sassapis was multilingual. I am not sure that Thor was. I don’t expect Thor to speak like a local. We also have seen Sass use modern lingo. Remember when they were discussing the chambermaid? Sass described her to Trevor as “so hot.” He picks up slang. I love him. Robin from UK Ghosts is appealing but Sass is a treasure.

Starting with actual ownership of a mansion and its land. They aren’t selling and bathing in tubs of money right now because they think running a BnB will be fun. No part of this story ends up with them “losing” although I do think Sam would miss/grieve loss of her ghost family if they sold and moved away.

OMG. Early eighties yes. Our eighth grade science teacher took us on a field trip to his girlfriend’s kindergarten class at another school while his wife subbed for the classes left behind!

My two kids both brought their recorders on a Hawaii vacation, which turned driving around the island into some kind of hobbit movie hellscape.

Also, Sam’s mom was bored out of her mind. No one was happy there. Our ghost family not only likes each other they have a huge mansion with outdoors and chirpy birds to hang out in. Plus they have a fun living to talk to now, who goes out of her way to engage them with marvels from the current world. Maybe they are just lucky, like the airport people got lucky in Station 11. Our ghosts won the ghost lottery.

Yeah. He could have been thrown in the lake AND been found/buried by his family. I wonder if ghost friendship/community/interest in the world is enough to keep a ghost on earth. Thor had an option to get sucked off and didn’t take it. I hope none go involuntarily. I can see Trevor having good friends and too much fun to want to leave, even if his life/death had full closure.

I love both versions but will say that UK Kitty is my favorite part of either show and UK Stalker Poet is the worst.