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Kail is the classic dependapotamus. I don't care that she has her own MTV cash, she still used Javi for benefits and security. She is disgusting. I remember on my husband's last deployment, one of his guys came home from a 7 month deployment to his 4 months pregnant wife.

I'm dying! ??

This is her pattern, she is the abuser but she has no hesitation to go file fake PFA's. She is so disgusting. There are true abuse victims out there and we have Karl who makes up fake accusations when things don't go her way. How long were Javi and Lincoln kept separated because of her selfishness? Javi is not perfect but he doesn't deserve this.

Im not sure why, but this season I find myself super attracted to Javi. Maybe it's my hatred for Karl, because it peaks during their arguments.

I'm sure it kills her that Vee looks so amazing and put together while Karl looks like the stay pufft marshmallow man wearing a diaper.

Well, there was a rumor that Karl was sleeping with her married producer. It might just be me, but I get a weird feeling that Javi might be the father. His responses on twitter sound kind off and I can see Karl using him to get her third kid and still claim that her 3 kids have only 2 dads and not 3. I know she claimed she didn't want more kids with Javi, but when have these girls ever made sense?

Yes, they're corpse colored

Lol, yes the first thing I noticed is that its exactly like Chelsea's. She is so jealous of her!

Lol, that green turd is still cuter than Karl though

Absolutely, we've already heard Uncle ID reger to Kaiser as a "whiny little bitch" and that was knowimg full well that cameras were there. Im sure David is already emotionally abusing Kaiser and Jace and will only get worse if they are sent to live with him for extended periods of time. I really hate to think this way, but I can even see David causing accidents" with Kaiser falling in the water or whatnot. Even worse, I can see Jenelle being in on it.

Not gonna lie. I used to love eating raw hot dogs as a kid. In fact my 7 year old loves them too, of course she also eats heslthy foods but yeah .......** hangs head in shame.....**

I remember when Karl was having fits over the thought of Vee being around Isaac. She acted like Vee was satans mistress. Yet here we are years later and Vee is a good mother to both her child and Isaac, in a stable relationship and Karl is divorced and bringing men into her house with no regard to her boys being there and witnessing it.

Finally finished watching, and this episode is so infuriating. Poor Jace is so stressed out at the thought of having to live with Jenelle and Uncle ID Channel. At this point Jace needs to stay with Babs, he has lived with her his whole life and has a life with her. Even if Jenelle was a changed person (which she's NOT!) It's too late now and he needs to stay where he is. I pray for Babs to be healthy and live for another 20 years, because I can see Uncle ID channel being abusive to Jace, and Jenelle turning a blind eye to it if he were sent to live with them permanently. Add to that the fact that Jenelle keeps popping out kids, while she had no problem abandoning Jace. Yes Jenelle! You ABANDONED Jace! Barbara did not steal him! As for Karl, I posted earlier about my loathing of her. She's a horrible human being and mother. Watching the segment with Javi and his friend at his hotel, I'm inclined to believe his side more than Karl's. If blurry dreads guy was just a friend, karl could have easily told Javi, I have a friend over, but go ahead and drop off Lincoln. Instead she lied that she was at walmart, why go through all that? Plus, was she banging that guy with Isaac in the house?? What kind of nastiness is that? If I were Jo, I would be livid at he doing this in front of Isaac. Chelsea- so cute, I love her segments because her happiness is obvious. She's great with Aubree and they are a sweet family. Only bad thing is Adumb. He is really the biggest piece of shit ever. Funny enough, when I was young and dumb, I actually had a 2 year relationship with a guy named Adam. He was great at first, but within the first year he turned into a lazy, mooching piece of crap. Once i got mad at him and told him that i could do better than him and he told me I was lucky he was even interested in me. He actually looks alot like Adumb, so everytime I see Adumb on screen he disgusts me so much. I wish mtv would cut him loose, we don't need his ugly mug on our screens. Leah- obviously high as all, and she always looks like she rolled out of bed and is unwashed. I'm sure a cloud of cigarette smoke, failure and BO follows her wherever she goes.

I say it every week this season, but I really hate Kail. Hearing her whining to her producer about how Javi dared to come into their house was annoying, but hearing that Isaac was present for their fight really left me disgusted with her. She couldn't keep it together enough to let Javi get his freaking box, so Isaac had to witness them fighting, and to top it off Karl's side piece was there with Karl and Isaac? Wtf! The worst part was Karl did not give one fuck that Isaac was upset, she said as much when the producer asked if Isaac was okay and she said " umm, i dont ......" and broke off. She is vile. Is jc the producer she is rumored to be sleeping with? I can see it, karl would do it if she felt she could benefit from it.

It took me a minute to realize that as Amber. She has really messed her face up with those overinflated lips and her hideous eyebrows.

Jo is the only adult in the situation. Kail and Javi are so unbelievably selfish and immature. It hurts my heart to see Isaac so hurt and confused and still Karl, his mother who should have been preparing him for the turmoil that would begin once Javi got back doesn't bother to explain what is going on. She is disgusting, good on Jo for being a loving father and trying to lessen the pain Isaac is feeling.

Wow, Kailyn is one stone cold bitch! She is so done with Javi and is most likely sleeping with other people. Javi is no prize, but I felt bad for him watching this. You can see that he's realizing that he was used for benefits and Karl never loved him. Karl is one of those women who likes to act like they're strong and independent and everything they have they built themselves on their own. Karl doesnt realize that everything she has is because of other people. She relied on charity from Jo and his family, then relied on charity from that single moms organizatuon to get an apartment, and then needed Javi and his benefits to get where she is now. She has great kids, but again she didnt raise them alone. She is so lucky that Jo is a standup guy who has fought to be in Isaac's life, and hopefully Javi ends up being the same. I used to think Karl was at least a goid mom, even though she is a horrible person. Tonight that changed. She cant be bothered to explain the divorced to poor Isaac and you can see that little boy's heart breaking and see the confusion in his eyes. Meanwhile, Karl doesn't care, because to her Isaac is a pawn that she can use whenever she wants to hurt Javi and Jo.

meh, I won't judge Chelsea for her age. She seems to have always sought after having a family and settling down and there's nothing wrong with that. She's still the only mom who hasn't introduced boyfriend after boyfriend to her child, she may be boring but apart from foolishly hooking up with Adumb she's been a good mom and waited until she found a good match, which she seems to have found in Cole.

This reminds me of an episode where at the end they showed nice cluos of the mom playing and having fun with the kids, and the only clip they showed of Janelle was her hitting Jace in the face with a ball. It was hilariously sad because with all that footage that was the "happiest" moment the producers could find.

Kail is such a hosebeast! I get that she's angry at Javi. I however, cannot understand why she couldn't take the boys to his homecoming. After such a long separation it would have been a nice experience for the boys to go pick up their dad, bedtimes be damned. The truth is that she didn't want to make the effort. I hate Javi, but you could see the disappointment in Isaac's face at not going to meet Javi. Also, Leah was high as a kite. Fyi, Jermy didn't divorce you because you were running around at 9 o'clock, he divorced you because you were dick hopping all over town while he worked his ass off to support you.

UBT definitely gives off abuser vibes and it makes me worry for The Roll and Jace. I think baby Ensley will be for the most part safe, since I can see Janelle paying her more attention since she's still with the dad and playing house. However, I can see UBT abusing Jace and Kaiser. You can tell that he resents them and the only thing protecting them is Barb and the show. If UBT hits Jace, surely Barb would find out and raise hell. If the show ends and money gets tight, I can see UBT convincing Janelle to get rid of the boys and her agreeing to get rid of them. She has no feelings for those kids at all.

I totally understand. I wasn't trying to discount your experience at all, so I apologize if it seemed like that. Sometimes its hard to communicate on posts since things can come off in a way you didnt mean them to be. I didn't really have a nuclear family like it sounds you did so that may have been the difference in how things feel as a child. I see a lot of myself in Leah and her relationship with Amber. The good thing is that Leah has Gary and Kristina and it seems they are providing the stability she needs and isn't getting from Amber.

I respectfully disagree with you. I was Leah, granted we weren't on MTV but my mother for all intents and purposes abandoned me when I was a baby. She was still around, but the real parenting was done by my aunt, her sister. As I grew up I knew who my biological mother was and I always longed for a mother/daughter relationship like I saw my friends had. I wanted a mother I could count on, talk to about my life and I never got it. Instead I got disappointment after disappointment. The funny thing is that even though my mother left of her own free will, she always hated my aunt for stepping in and raising me. I remember many shouting matches whenever she would bother to come around. My mother would yell at my aunt that she had stolen me and that she was nobody to act like my mom. Finally in my 20's my mother started to come around more and I thought she had finally changed but no. She only comes around when she needs me to help her and she is only ever worried about herself and whatever man she's currently chasing after. She's not around of there for my kids, but on my facebook she likes and comments on everything I post. If I post pictures she comments on every single one and signs each of them with her name and then comma "your mother" It's so important to her that people know she is my mother even thought she never did any of the mother work.

So funnny, first thing I noticed about Devin were those blindingly white teeth. Rrminds me of the Friends episode where Ross goes overboard on the teeth whitener and when his date turns on her blacklight they glow!

Yeah, I hate to admit it but I think Simon is pretty hot. A famewhore for sure, but pretty hot, in my opinion.