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The jurors could just tell everyone that think they voted for Adam b/c of his mother to go watch their jury speak videos before they even went to the FTC. They had already made up their mind and Adam was going to win regardless. And the only person who knew about Adam mother in the jury was Jay. Adam had a great social game with them that Ken and Hannah didn't. He won a challenge, which Hannah didn't. He found idols which neither Ken and Hannah found. And Hannah made stupid game move with the Bret and Sunday vote.

The few time she control the game was the Bret and Sunday and those were dumb move that would never have gain respect with the jurors with so little people left and huge threats in the game. If jury doesn't respect your moves it doesn't matter if you were leading the charges. She knew people perceive that David was in control of that alliance, that Jay was popular and a challenge beast and people told her that Adam was a huge threat, but no Sunday and Bret was a much bigger game move than picking those three off right after the other. Adam didn't always follow Hannah move, if he did Jay would have stayed in the game and had won. At the end of the day survivor is a social game first and foremost. If one cannot play that with perceive strategic blunders (Sunday and Bret) with no Immunity wins and no idol found than you don't deserve to win. One can be an immunity challenge beast but still lose if their social game suck and or they cannot read the jury.

We were shown 15 minutes of the FTC which went on for 3 hours, my guess is if we were shown the whole three hours than we would have seen that Adam had won before the David question. Hannah herself said she figure out that she lost early during the FTC and Ken said he felt invisible Hannah part start at 11:30 and Ken at 25:25

I don't think that scream bitterness at all. If Sunday play a better social game than Ken and Hannah. The jurors were never going to vote for either Ken or Hannah since everyone of them said they would have love to sit next to them in the final. David would have won by a landslide too and they had more reason to be bitter against him. And imo the jurors had more reason to be bitter against Adam and the perceive none factor that were Ken and Hannah.

Reading the exist interview that David, Jay and Bret did together. We could have had a sole survivor Sunday. The way they talk about anyone could have sat in Adams seat next to Ken and Hannah and would have won.

This interview is hilarious to me, them saying that anyone sitting next to Ken and Hannah would have won. Freaking Sunday would have won against Ken and Hannah. Wow.

She does continuously do this, it was hilarious when she interrupted Jeff. I'm just dumbfound that Adam is the jerk in this scenario and people are claiming he was taking credit when he was like nah that was all Hannah, meanwhile Hannah kept on speaking over him every 4 words. One mistake she made during the FTC when explaining the Sunday and Bret move wasn't even at the FTC, it was mistakes from the past TC. Adam and others are making arguments to get rid of David. The jury wants David gone now, so they are loving anyone who is wanting to get rid of David. So when David finally go, who to they gave credit to? The last person left on the game who has been on the get rid of David train. Also Hannah position herself as a goat who got rid of all the other goat so she could be in the final 3. That just doesn't work. My advice to all future players is to go and listen to Sophie Clarke and Stephen Fishback when they said to play to the jury and that your opinion and ideas don't matter if you don't. Hannah cannot read the room so maybe she though she was playing to the jury. She should have figure out she lost when the jury went crazy when Bret was voted out.

I watch the FTC, he didn't try to take credit for anything Hannah did, in fact he correctly read the jury and said yeah Bret and Sunday was all Hannah idea I though it was dumb, I'll explain that later. Hannah should have read the room and try not to be so defensive to things that everyone in the jury though was dumb. I guess she did eventually read the room, that why she was quiet later on because on her exist interview she said she figure out pretty quickly during the FTC that she lost. People aren't going to vote for you if they though your move was stupid. Sophie Clarke said you have to read the jury and play to the jury. Your idea doesn't matter if you don't gave the jury what they want (I.E David out as soon as possible). And Sophie would know she won in the season against two guys and Brandon. She read and played that jury beautifully and Hannah couldn't read the room at all

What really interesting to me is that Hannah interrupted Adam all throughout the FTC when he was answering questions that were ask of him, giving Hannah the credit for the Bret and Sunday votes. People on here though he was the jerk and taking the credit and Hannah was the poor bully victim, As the winner of South Pacific said, you play to the jury. If they want you to get rid of David, get rid of David your opinion doesn't matter. She even bought her own example through her season. She didn't think much of Brandon but got rid of him b/c of jury management. One has to read the jury correctly and Hannah fail to do that. That is the most important part of the survivor game and she didn't do that, there for she didn't deserve to win. She didn't even win IC or find an idol so I don't know why she was more deserving than Ken who had IC wins but a bad social/strategic game. And it sounds like Hannah also had a bad social game base on Zeke exist interview.

Listening to Stephen Fishback and Sophie Clarke (South Pacific Winner) podcast/YouTube, I agree with them with what they say about Jury management. One has to play to what the Jury wants.

Wait so telling two people about your mom illness means that one was telling everyone left and right as a strategy now? No And if Adam used it has one its a dumb one, that just would make people not want to take you to the finale. Jay and Adam friendship outside the game is really cute

And that how one plays to the jurors. Can't go to the FTC and make a case for yourself asking them that all they saw with their eyes was a lie. It won't work.

Reading that transcript of Nick and Liz convo from RS (reading it through the Bach forum). I'm like girl why are you there? Nick bought up a great point, I for your number you said let leave it that, and you could have easily gotten my number and you had like 9 months to get it. He should have let her go night 1. Good for her for having a one night stand and I guess taking the guy role of hitting and quitting it not giving out her phone number or bothering with the guy but why did she have to go on the show? She's just making a fool of herself. I can't believe this is real life, she had had to have sign up for Luke I got to see this for myself b/c I don't believe it.

Wait a minute, RS said in the first episode, Elizabeth said Nick ask for her phone number at Tanner and Jade's wedding but she said no and later admitted that they had sex or whatever. Yet she comes on the show for him? What senses does that make? And where is he a jerk in that scenario?

Also making moves means nothing if the jurors look at it has a dumb move, better to read the room correctly, try to make big move and fail, hope for the best that you make it to the end and wins. Based on the jury speaks videos, she wasn't going to get any votes at the FTC before that even started.

I don't think Hannah is the reason why Adam made it far in the game. Adam made it far b/c when Zeke and David was going head to head they weren't playing attention to Adam. They had bigger fish to fried which was each other. He was never a target except for that one that and at that time it was more important to get rid of Jay's allies. Hannah twice on the other hand, both side though of her as expandable when they thought the bigger fish had an idol at play And base on Jessica juror talk before FTC, sounds like Hannah made a lot of blunders we just wasn't shown it.

Outperforming others in the FTC means nothing if no one in the jury respect your game. I didn't think she outperformed anyone

I don't think he look or sounds like a dick at all

Does RS have a good gage on who will be a fan favorite. The only thing I think could stop Rachel from being the next lead (beside the audience not warming up to her like they didn't to Caila) is her job at a private law firm. She already took a lot of time of and would need to take a lot more to do this show and publicity round. I'm not sure they would be willing to do that and I'm not sure she would be willing to quit her job to do this show again

Here is Jessica's I watch Jay, Zeke and David, base on those Adam had at least four votes going into FTC. I need to watch the others You can find the others through that CBS Youtube channel (the link)

Emma Watson cannot act imo but that never stop actors from having a good career

Watching the Jay, Zeke, David and Jessica Jury speaks video, imo Adam had 4 votes going into the FTC I'll watch the other ones later

I don't think the cancer reveal at the FTC is the reason why he won. Watching the jury speak videos before the votes were cast, he won before the finale three made their case.

Watching some of the Jury speak videos before they voted. Yeah Adam had this thing won before the FTC. David calling Hannah saving him an irrational move, yeah he wasn't going to vote for her. And he call Ken a goat that wasn't playing the game.

Her getting rid of Sunday and Bret but letting Jay David and Adam come so far was just dumb She probably lost their vote than if they haven't already made up their mind to vote for Adam.