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Welcome back! *waves enthusiastically* If you're in Japan, stock up on senbei (Japanese crackers), they go good with beer and my husband loves them! Is there shrimp in this world? Just checking...depends entirely on if Anya is involved.... Anyway, I think S1-4 Sam had a spirituality and prayed everyday. Up until he learned Angels were dicks and God had left the building. Since Sam is feeling like they have to do something, I can see him resorting to prayer. But I don't see God in this universe as uncaring. I think God put them on the plane, saved Cas 3 times, and then 'granted them salvation' per Joshua. I think the are getting the Job treatment to some extent. More importantly, I think God is trying to get the universe to sort itself out without the threat of God's judgement or reliance on his involvement. But the Darkness.....well, I think that needs a few hints for help. So....Sam seems a FAR more likely conduit IMO than Dean for getting intel via visions from God than Dean. Could it be evil? Don't know. I'm tempted to quote Lord of the Rings. If it's a bad guy, there likely to look more fair and feel more foul. I trust Sam to know that. He was never fooled by Rowena, never trusted her a minute. Except for when under the influence of the Werther Box -- and then it was really just the box coming up with logic he would trust. So, I don't think Sam is gullible. I think he HAS learned his lesson. Willing to wager a bottle of Sake on this? Like the cheap shit, not the kind that comes with an alcohol spirit. Now J2 has only read the scripts for the first 4 episodes, but if we were already in 'secrets and lies', I'm pretty sure we wouldn't get 'the boys are united' emphasis. It's funny, however, that I can almost SEE some of the speeches and who is going to be giving them. I'm pretty sure Dean will at one point literally say "I'm done with the guilt but this is our mess and we need to fix it." I read a storify version of all the tweets during EP3 ("Bad Seed") filming that used the #ActionAckles hashtag. https://storify.com/s_verasani/spn11-actionackles (warning to catrox: this will feed your 'Jensen drives the Impala like a boss' beast...don't say you weren't warned). I picked up on a couple more things: - Confirmation that the Hawaiian shirt is on Dean because his stunt double had that (I think catrox already mentioned this) - Handcuffs tied to a table in the MoL bunker. I'm guessing Rowena. COULD be a feral Cas. Seems evident to me, they catch up with Rowena (and her blond wig) in EP3 and force her to fix Cas.

+ Fan Fiction -- Ask Jeeves + Mystery Spot 20 - Bad Day at Black Rock 20 - Fan Fiction 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Folsom Prison Blues 19 - Hollywood Babylon 18 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 16 - Frontierland 16 - Tall Tales 15 - Changing Channels 13 - Mystery Spot 09 - The French Mistake 07 - It's a Terrible Life 07 - Monster Movie 05 - Hell House 03 - Ask Jeeves Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl Ghostfacers Out with the Old Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie The Usual Suspects Wishful Thinking The Real Ghostbusters Nightshifter Hammer of the Gods Yellow Fever Everybody Hates Hitler Hunteri Heroici Monster at the End of This Book

I think Cain's hair should have had its own trailer and screen credit.

A brief eulogy for Monster at the End of This Book: Dearest episode, you LAUGHED in the face of the meta. You took the concept Vonnegut, Shyamalan, and others had and went running off into the distance without looking back. Bravo. I found you to be a truly adorable episode. + Mystery Spot -- Hell House -- Ask Jeeves 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Bad Day at Black Rock 19 - Folsom Prison Blues 19 - Fan Fiction 19 - Hibbing 911 19 - Hollywood Babylon 18 - Weekend at Bobby's 18 - Frontierland 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 16 - Tall Tales 15 - Changing Channels 14 - Mystery Spot 09 - It's a Terrible Life 09 - Monster Movie 09 - The French Mistake 05 - Hell House 05 - Ask Jeeves Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl Ghostfacers Out with the Old Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie The Usual Suspects Wishful Thinking The Real Ghostbusters Nightshifter Hammer of the Gods Yellow Fever Everybody Hates Hitler Hunteri Heroici Monster at the End of This Book

An updated list of interviews: http://justanotheridijiton.tumblr.com/post/123953651704/sdcc15-spn-roundtables-final-update-17-july I like the Carver Showbiz Junkie interview and the Lisa Steinberg interview. In the second he identifies he did not complete the 3 year plan because he realized mid S9 they'd have more than 3 years. The Darkness was NOT part of the 3 year plan. And much to my dismay, per Andrew Dabb, the Darkness is going to be in human form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2611bJtkCRY&feature=youtu.be In another interview he says "she" This Andrew Dabb video is pretty funny IMO (comment about Mark Sheppardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvPYjyaTK54&feature=youtu.be - he's British, we won the war):

I hadn't seen that before: "220hrs of banging your head against the wall" - Jared Padelecki Hee....I think it's been a few more hours than that.

Hmmm...no more voters yet. We'll here's a setup for TWO people! Just sayin' ++ Mystery Spot -- Hunteri Heroici -- The Monster at the End of This Book (I actually like this one alot, but I'm in a Grimm Reaper mood) 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Bad Day at Black Rock 19 - Folsom Prison Blues 19 - Fan Fiction 19 - Frontierland 19 - Hibbing 911 19 - Hollywood Babylon 17 - Tall Tales 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - Changing Channels 15 - Mystery Spot 13 - Monster Movie 13 - It's a Terrible Life 11 - Monster Movie 09 - The French Mistake 07 - Hell House 05 - Ask Jeeves 01 - Hunteri Heroici 01 - The Monster at the End of This Book Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl Ghostfacers Out with the Old Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie The Usual Suspects Wishful Thinking The Real Ghostbusters Nightshifter Hammer of the Gods Yellow Fever Everybody Hates Hitler

Just caught up on 7kstar's fics - those were great. I especially like how all Dean's inner sentence-long thoughts turned into a 3 word note. So Dean. I'm hoping to get to AwesomeO's soon.

Good idea. But speaking of finishing this round. Ya'll 'aint fooling anyone. NO ONE is willing to kill off another episode. If someone takes one down to 01, I WILL kill it.

I think the problem is that Singer is COMPLETELY tone deaf. He might have some creative abilities and is a director who will bring a show in on-budget, but he's not the right guy to balance Carver.

I don't think they even submitted. *sigh*

++ Mystery Spot -- Hell House -- The French Mistake 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Bad Day at Black Rock 19 - Folsom Prison Blues 19 - Fan Fiction 19 - Frontierland 19 - Hibbing 911 19 - Hollywood Babylon 17 - Tall Tales 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - Monster Movie 15 - Changing Channels 15 - It's a Terrible Life 13 - Mystery Spot 11 - Hell House 09 - The French Mistake 07 - The Monster at the End of This Book 05 - Ask Jeeves 03 - Hunteri Heroici Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl Ghostfacers Out with the Old Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie The Usual Suspects Wishful Thinking The Real Ghostbusters Nightshifter Hammer of the Gods Yellow Fever Everybody Hates Hitler

I think Crowley, Cas and Metatron all said that it was God-level magic. Crowley mentioned it was like Dean was protected from "on high", which says to me that the protection is to protect the lock and key (i.e. the Mark). I think there was not more than ONE lock and key (i.e. it was transferred from Cain). Cain still had his demonic powers (which were above Crowley's) plus he probably had the ability to take BACK the lock and key, so I could see how he was still very powerful. But I think that once the lock and key passed to Dean, Cain could be killed -- by the First Blade and the bearer of the Mark. Dean would have needed to transfer it for Death to kill him. I'm still stunned that Death is Dead. It appears humanity (aka Dean Freaking' Winchester -- again), was his weakness. ETA: I don't know if Crowley will be back to his snark-tastic self, but oh how I wish we could have something along the following lines: Cas: You killed Death? Dean: Uh, yeah. Looks like. Cas: Why? Crowley: Because it was bloody-freaking Wednesday and Samatha was in trouble! Because he could! Because that's WHAT THEY DO! Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sure we won't get anything like this, but Mark Sheppard and Misha Collins could rock the hell out of a scene like that..

Oh I like flashbacks because it fills in the story for me and we get to see perhaps some characters that we wouldn't get to see again otherwise. I particularly liked this bit: I think one of the complaints over the past three years is that they've become a little too grey. So the "it's saving people" matters a lot to me. I really liked Dean's speech in the cantina where he was talking about their own actions and whether or not they were good or evil. I'm hoping that they vote for "good", no matter the cost. Because that's what made them heroes. In fact, I think Carver said something about that recently. That what made Dean a hero is that he always chose to do good. I presume he means without the Mark's influence. But even at the end, when he saw he had too much blood on his hands (metaphorically and literally), he called in Death to take him out. As Sam said, that was the actions of a good man. So...I think we'll go back there a bit. To a cleaner morality, even if it's more complicated to pull off. I think the majority of the writers are good, and you personally don't like the stories. Of course, I LIKE the show so I have that bias. I agree there are many clunky moments in some episodes and some of the writers are just not telling the story as I like it. But Berens, Thompson, Dabb, previously Glass, and mostly Carver do very well IMO. B-L, S-N, and Klein are not my favorites but even they put together some stories or elements of stories I really like.

You know, it just occurred to me.... based on one of the Carver comments about strange bedfellows ... to defeat the powers of The Darkness, maybe it's going to take an alliance between Heaven, Hell and Earth. Maybe they'll figure out a way to peacefully co-exist afterwords. Re-establish some natural law rules again so as to put things back in balance.

I find these two statements and antithetical. My response: read in the daylight.

++ Mystery Spot -- Ask Jeeves -- Hunteri Heroici 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Bad Day at Black Rock 19 - Folsom Prison Blues 19 - Frontierland 19 - Fan Fiction 19 - Hibbing 911 17 - Tall Tales 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - Monster Movie 15 - Changing Channels 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - Hell House 13 - Mystery Spot 11 - The French Mistake 11 - The Monster at the End of This Book 05 - Ask Jeeves 01 - Hunteri Heroici Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl Ghostfacers Out with the Old Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie The Usual Suspects Wishful Thinking The Real Ghostbusters Nightshifter Hammer of the Gods Yellow Fever Everybody Hates Hitler

Mwhahahahaha Actually, it was the Minions I picked up at ComicCon. These guys are really useful.

Honestly, I was a little surprised she got the question out. There's a person who stands about four feet from the speaker who has her foot on a pedal that literally SHUTS THE MICROPHONE off. You have to show your question in advance and if it's considered insulting, you don't get to ask it. So, her question made it thru screening but if you notice, the microphone got shut off for part 2. Which was fine IMO, because Carver's complete inability to handle part 1 was priceless. As for the boys reaction, I think they took their cue from the audience. The audience CHEERS loudly as the girl is speaking. And you can tell the moment in the video when the boys see the writing on the wall. Mark just flat out laughes with DELIGHT (I swear, I've never seen him laugh so much as he did Sunday) I really don't think any of them planned the reaction at all. The others smile knowingly but the backing away was pure spur-of-the-moment IMO. And when the audience boo'd over his poopy answer? They started ducking under the table. GOOD CALL. These guys have been doing conventions for years now -- they read the audience correctly and got to express a little of their own unhappiness in a "funny" way. As I mentioned elsewhere, these guys are much more professional "convention guests" than most. They put on an improv show up there versus just a moderator/panel. The only planned schtick was the hamster and the boys didn't know that was coming. Plus Jared's Dad joke about "LOSE-chesters".

I'll agree to disagree on this with you. Although, if your point is that you've expected for 10 years for it to be a bad story and you feel that it's been a bad story for 10 years ... well, that's a self-licking ice cream cone. Predicting you won't like a thing and then not liking a thing is not evidence of good prognostication. As for not having a story, I'm believe you are wrong on that. This statement: "That has been true for all the Comic Cons where there was nothing for Dean." Is surely inaccurate for S10. You may not have liked the way they truncated Demon!Dean or the Mark of Cain storyline. But it was THE storyline of last year and it was all over Comic Con. Look, I'm just saying "absolutes" are not really absolute. And it's more uncertain than the potential for solar annihilation. I had the pleasure of having an 1+ hour conversation with Adam Glass, and 10+ mins with Robbie Thompson and Bobo Berens last week. Glass said it best: we always have a major story plan for the entire year, where we want to go...but sometimes halfway thru we find something working BETTER and pursue that. As an example I'll give you Rowena. They planned for 3-4 episodes. And she was in like 12 or 13. Because they found it a rich story to plumb. I think they made the right choice. So, they have a plan for Dean. At a minimum it's fix the Darkness mess. EVERYONE says that. It may not be the plan YOU want, but they have a plan. But they'll also change it if something comes up that they feel works better. ETA: IF the ONLY story plan that matters to you is that they have a Supernatural Chosen One story plan for Dean -- well....that's NOT the same thing as not having a plan. That's not having a plan you WANT. That really is a different thing.

Aeryn, I presume the other sentences were more opinion that fact so I just want to clarify that I think this reading of Jensen's answer is incorrect. Specifically, that he was referring to Sam's storyline. I went back and transcribed the RAMBLING answer he gave in complete detail. I'll put it in quotes as it's a 100% transcriptions...umms, repeated words, and all. Please note, punctuation is an interpretive dance in a verbal interview and the first words of the interviewer were lost. When he appears to starts a new tact, I start a new line. Best I could do: To me there are some key indicators he was talking about Dean's story. First, the question is Dean "particular". Second, while he acknowledges he hasn't seen a connection ("connection" being the "it" in the sentence if I understand correctly), in the first four episodes he says: "but there have been some flashes of things that Dean.... some premonitions so to speak, ummmm" That's Dean in that sentence. Everything up to this point has been about Darkness and the Mark and Dean. Nothing yet about Sam. Other observations: - He did NOT want to answer this question straight out! He wiggle-butts for 31 seconds before he finally starts to actually address it. Now he's a good guy and he doesn't blow off her question (which MANY would do) so I have to give him mad props for that. But he down plays as much as possible any supernatural connection between Dean and what's going on. - Multiple times in the panel and the interviews, he's made it clear that what Jensen wants is "normal" Sam and Dean, on the same page, hunting monsters. Hilariously enough, when Jeremy Carver says "is" to Jensen's statement, Jensen comes back with a plea to flood Carver's non-existent twitter account to get rid of that "ish". - Jared LOVES the supernatural elements of the characters. He wants the brothers on the same page but he always empahsizes the Chosen One bits. So... I think it's fair to say that if you've gotten a non-supernatural vibe to Dean's story line, that's exactly what Jensen WANTS. I think it's also fair to say Jensen is not likely to GET what he wants and he grudgingly acknowledged it with this very pointed question. Bottom line: I think the flashes, premonitions are different than SamVision. SamVision seems to be specific dialog, "flashes" implies those kinda seizure cuts we've seen before with Dean. Not full on scenes. And I think theses flashes are for Dean, not Sam. An Oh By The Way.... And BTW: These guys were pretty coached on what to say or not say. When they get a question they know they can answer, the response is strong. When it's one they don't like or can't answer, they wiggle butt. Jensen was wiggle-butting a LOT in this question. You can tell when he steers the question back to stuff he KNOWS he can say for sure (or stuff that he knows he can say and WANTS to say). And Jensen is good at avoiding anything he doesn't want to talk about when he gets pitched more generic questions. The reason he couldn't get out of this particular question is because the interviewer worded it in such a way he'd have to ignore it or lie. So.. Jared likes to talk about the supernatural bits (as do the writers)... and they put that into their answers for generic questions. Not so much Jensen. I know, Aeryn, you are fully expecting a shitty Dean year. I'm not trying to talk you out of that. But I don't think it's fair to make statements like "Because he doesn`t have one he could be refering to." because I don't think you have any facts that support that as unambiguously true.

I would LOVE Kevin to be there. And Sam has a connection with him.

Warning: One more kill and we are at halfway! Mini-Eulogies: Everybody Hates Hitler: Sam warming his hands over the flames and Aaron's response: PRICELESS. And I love the Bunker. Yellow Fever: Dean's scream and "that was scary", his rant on hunting, and Eye of the Tiger -- all classic SPN moments

Well now, you have a point. Different species and all. Still... eating sentient beings who worship you... just poor taste (OY, look at that pun!).

Just a general comment about the Supernatural panel: - After seeing several other panels over the weekend (Damien, The Originals, The Vampire Diaries, Con Men, and some other non-TV show panels), I gotta say our guys had the BEST in terms of interaction. Really, it's tough to beat J.J. Abrams giving out lightsabers, having a free concert, and then fireworks. So, the Star Wars panel kinda takes the best panel prize. But the SPN panel was the most entertaining of the regular panels. I personally contribute it to getting Rich and Rob up there along with the tons of conventions the cast does every year. Other panels were kinda stilted. Some joking but the casts and moderators did NOT have the same chemistry nor were they just simply entertaining. The Supernatural panel was just relaxed and fun.