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Geese is funny Haunted is SAD. Like... I need a glass of wine now SAD. PS Don't stop.

Went to Terminator: Genesis tonight and saw two Supernatural alums in the commercials before the movie. 1) Yahoo: Julie McNiven (Anna the Angel) - as a young woman moving in with her boyfriend who then proposed to her in the back of a romantically decorated U-Haul. It was good. 2) Coke: Madison McLaughlin (Krissy ... teenage hunter's daughter), at at theme park with a first boyfriend kinda date Pretty big national commercials. Both were good.

Indeed....I'l send you a message while I'm in San Diego and we can have a drink at the bar of the hotel I'm staying at and compare theories.....

Popping in late to add my two cents: Things I believe are facts: - Cain still had the Mark on after he gave it to Dean (visible on his arm) - There WAS a biblical-lite reaction to his apparent death (thunderclap) - We did hear the squish of the blade go in and the sucking sound as it came out (thanks for that foley artists!) when Dean brought the blade down. - Clearly, if Cain was dead, it was not enough to release the Darkness. - Cain had a physical reaction to the Blade being back in his hands - The Book of the Damned was written by a nun who had horrific visions. Other hints that may or maynot be relevant: - Crowley remarked to Rowena that Dean couldn't be killed, like he was protected "from on high" - Metatron said it was "God-level magic or Lucifer-level" From the DVD Commentary: - First it was about the Blade but then it was about the Mark. Like the Blade was always just a McGuffin. Of course the whole arc was about Dean controlling his inner darkness. So....here's my working theories... - There was in fact more than one "layer" to this problem. The Mark AND The Blade work in tandem. But I think God gave Lucifer the Mark and Lucifer put something into the Blade that acted like some sort of "channel" to the darkness that the Mark was holding back. So it amplified the affect of The Mark. Once that power was tapped into for something big (like the first murder or killing Abaddon), a more potent connection was permanently made with the host. With or without the Blade. - The "protection" comes from the Mark, which actually DID come from God (which fits neatly back into the Biblical story of no one ever being able to kill Cain, while skipping the role of Lucifer). Plus God would want it to be passed on if it needed to be but never removed. - When Cain passed on the Mark to Dean, he passed on the Lock and Key part (the burden of protecting holding back the Darkness). I would go so far as to speculate that Cain KNEW there was more to the Mark than just egging on someone to murder. He referred to the Mark as having a personality. So did Dean. "It WANTS me to kill". Perhaps after living with the Mark for centuries, he got a glimpse or hint of it's true purpose and that's why he called it a "burden." - So Cain may have retained the Mark and it left a little Darkness residue (wouldn't be the first time we had residue issues...). But IF Cain was killed, it wouldn't have unleashed The Darkness. Further, because Cain no longer was the Lock and Key, he COULD be killed. And since he was a Knight - with the jet pack and red-smiting powers - he needed someone more powerful than him to kill him. In this case, I think the options would have been Dean or Death. Crowley clearly wasn't up to the job. And I think it needed to be either Death's scythe or the First Blade. Again... he's no longer protected by God (because he's not the Lock and Key) but he's no ordinary demon either. Back to the Book of the Damned: - I think the nun had somehow gotten visions from whatever was in The Darkness and that's where she got the spells to break them out. - This Darkness provided the spells that the Steins used for years to do their dark magic. The book itself, as it was inspired by The Darkness, was itself a partial embodiment of The Darkness --- which is why it was chatting up Dean in the cabin (or so he said... because he said the Book WANTED him to use it to get rid of the curse). - The Steins had some sense of what was behind The Book, which is why Jacob told him there would be Biblical-class consequences if Dean used it. Which leads me to my final theories: - Dean, who was an archangel class vessel to begin with, was 'worthy' of taking on the Mark BECAUSE of that vessel status. - Sam and Dean, who have already been literally touched by God when he put them on that plane at the end of S4, will have the ability to put a lid back on The Darkness - I personally think Cain is dead (because I believe foley artists) but think that he could be brought back if they wanted him to - I suspect that (and this is WAAAAAAAAAYYY) out there, they will bring Charlie back in the form of a vessel for the Darkness. Because Singer/Carver LIKED the Dark Charlie arc and we and the boys won't want her dead (even if it's not her). But... this be POWERFUL magic....so who knows...maybe she opened herself up to allowing The Darkness to use her when she split herself in two already. So...what was the question again? Oh yeah, Cain's powers: - Cain was still a demon with EXTRA powers (that probably came from The Mark)...see Mark residue theory for why he could still wield them. - He was Smitey-McSmiterson during the Civil War ... so taking out all those demons was within his previous skill set. He just didn't lose anything by passing on the Mark (because...Mark residue theory). So... now ...hold on there... this is just random speculation...I claim no ability to actually explain the writers...just suspicions.... OTOH, if you call Crowley on me, so long as he just sits there, drinks scotch, and snarks at me... I'm okay with that.

Bummer

Ooooooh. Come down to the Wayward Cocktails Party (thrown by Superwiki). I'll be ther and we can speculate over copious quantities of alcohol!

-- Plucky's Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie -- Ask Jeeves -- Out With The Old 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - About a Boy 19 - Bad Day at Black Rock 19 - Frontierland 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Yellow Feveru 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Nightshifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Fan Fiction 17 - Wishful Thinking 17 - It's a Terrible 17 - Mystery Spot 15 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - Changing Channels 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 13 - The Usual Suspects 11 - Out with the Old 09 - Ask Jeeves 03- Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 01 - Ghostfacers Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters LARP and the Real Girl

1) get up and hour early 2) make sure I have a Brown Bag Ticket account 3) make connection thru 4G hotspot vice hotel 4) obsessively refresh screen to hit 'buy' the moment NerdHQ tickets go on sale for Dupernatural 5) have no chance to get a ticket as they sell out in 5 seconds ( no hyperbole). Screw it. I'll go back the hotel, drink heavily and watch it on my computer. SDCC: where you have to win the lotto to go to the bathroom.

I'll also add my condolences to Ranger Rick. -- Ask Jeeves -- Ghostfacers -- Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Frontierland 19 - Hibbing 911 19 - Mystery Spot 19 - About a Boy 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Nightshifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Fan Fiction 17 - Wishful Thinking 17 - It's a Terrible 17 - Changing Channels 15 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 13 - The Usual Suspects 13 - Out with the Old 09 - Ask Jeeves 03 - Ghostfacers 03 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 03 - LARP and the Real Girl Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters

I figured it was not going to go over well with everyone. I think it's another parallel. This time with Aeryn's favorite episode (Swan Song). Sam on his knees with nostalgic photos, prepared to die but still having faith in his brother was what helped Dean (IMO) overcome the Mark's effects. Now TPTB didn't SAY that, this is me reading into what they were talking about. Anyway, once the disks are more widely distributed, I'll write up more. This was an important bit relative to current speculation.

Watched the S10 Mythology extra (will be on the DVD). It had a lot of data regarding their intentions with the various storyline. For catrox, per Carver: it was important that Dean "choose" to save Sam... that he had overcome the Mark's effect... before the Mark was removed. I know that's not what you saw but that's what he said. Thought you would want to know.

Didn't get to vote yesterday so I'm going to offer some one-sentence eulogies: Clap Your Hands If You Believe - Well I thought you were adorable, especially Soulless Sam. Party On Garth - Mr Fizzles had to die. The Curious Case of Dean Winchester - Yes, good riddance, now go away. -- Out With the Old ++ Mystery Spot ++ How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters (I need to hang onto stoned Dean for a little while longer) 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Frontierland 19 - Mystery Spot 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - About a Boy 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Nightshifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Fan Fiction 17 - Wishful Thinking 17 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 13 - Out with the Old 13 - The Usual Suspects 13 - Ghostfacers 11 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 09 - Ask Jeeves 09 - LARP and the Real Girl 05 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols Slumber Party Clap Your Hands If You Believe Party On Garth The Curious Case of Dean Winchester

Just finished watching the S10 DVD Extras on iTunes (they came out today with the Season Pass). Quick thoughts: S10 Gag Reel: I. Can't. Even. I was shrieking with laughter. These guys fly without a net every single day. It's glorious. S10 Mythology: Well I LOVED it. Which means it's going to piss off a few and others will like it. I was surprised at how much insight was there. S10 Theater (making of Fan Fiction): I am so impressed with what they pulled off. I didn't really appreciate how complicated it was but it really was something special. I have to rewatch the episode to see all the touches. S10 Superatural Fans: This was surprisingly intimate. Rather than give a broad picture, they dive deep into the lives of four specific fans. Each of them is an example of fan creativity. First is a guy who restores old cars (he comes back in the final fan story as well). Second is an artist in Columbia who got back into drawing and made a chess set. Third is the girl with the HUGE Castiel wings from last year's SDCC. Fourth is the woman who owned the fan-built Impala they used in the Bloodlines pilot. This may not be everyone's cup of tea but I was moved by it. There's a tiny snippet about not pleasing all the fans (with the fan-reaction videos to when Dean turned into a demon). They showed one fan flipping the bird (with both hands) at the producers for doing that to Dean. That made me laugh.

So what do we know about "The Darkness". Parsing it up a bit, I think we see the following characteristics of "The Darkness"; horribly destructive - so NOT good, destruction being opposite of creation amoral force - but doesn't give a shit about right and wrong beaten back in a war - seems it took many to defeat it. Is it possible this "force" is not a single entity? ...Wait, the BORG! (sorry, crossover moment) a far greater evil - this seems to suggest that destruction=anticreation=evil. "Evil" is different than "amoral". So, I'm a bit confused on the nature of The Darkness And then characteristics of The Mark: it's own will - that seemed more unified, one THING corrupts - fits the evil vibe In sum: Lots of hints, could go in MANY directions. But I'd guess that there may be more than one manifestation of The Darkness. Destruction, amoral, AND evil being their chief characteristics. But what do they WANT? To be free to destroy? To get back at God and his creations? To party like a rock start because they just don't give a shit? IDK. I think the femme fatale may be only ONE manifestation of The Darkness.

-- The Curious Case of Dean Winchester -- Hollywood Babylon ++ Mystery Spot 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Slash Fiction 19 - Frontierland 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 19 - Mystery Spot 17 - Hollywood Babylon 17 - About a Boy 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Nightshifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Hunteri Heroici 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Fan Fiction 17 - Wishful Thinking 17 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 13 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 13 -The Usual Suspects 13 - Ask Jeeves 13 - Ghostfacers 11 - LARP and the Real Girl 09 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 03 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 03 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 03 - Slumber Party 03 - Party On, Garth Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Fallen Idols

I'll give it a pass too. And AwesomeO has picked some lovely victiims. So...I'll just pile-on. -- Party On Garth -- Slumber Party -- The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Slash Fiction 19 - Frontierland 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 17 - About a Boy 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - NightShifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Hunteri Heroici 17 - Mystery Spot 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Fan Fiction 15 - The Usual Suspects 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - Wishful Thinking 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 15 - Ask Jeeves 11 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 13 - Ghostfacers 13 - LARP and the Real Girl 09 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 07 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 05 - Slumber Party 05 - Party On, Garth 01 - Fallen Idols Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding!

*groans* B-L script. *sigh*

++ Weekend At Bobby's -- The French Mistake -- Slumber Party 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Slash Fiction 19 - Frontierland 19 - Dog Dean Afternoon 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - NightShifter 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Hunteri Heroici 17 - Mystery Spot 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - The French Mistake 15 - The Usual Suspects 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - Wishful Thinking 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 15 - Fan Fiction 15 - Ask Jeeves 15 - About a Boy 15 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 13 - Ghostfacers 13 - LARP and the Real Girl 11 - Slumber Party 11 - Two and a Half Men 11 - Party On, Garth 11 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 09 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 05 - Fallen Idols Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat Season Seven, Time for a Wedding!

ITA about Crowley being more loyal than he's given credit for. As for being human, he still has a demon with the eyes and powers and smoking in and out. But I do think he's tainted with humanity.

I think you might have dropped the List of The Dead... Can you edit? Thanks.

-- Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! --Swap Meat -- die an early death! --Fallen Idols 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Slash Fiction 17 - Mystery Spot 17 - Frontierland 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Bad Day at Black Rock 17 - Folsom Prison Blues 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Monster Movie 17 - Dog Dean Afternoon 17 - The French Mistake 17 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - The Usual Suspects 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - Ghostfacers 15 - Wishful Thinking 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 15 - Fan Fiction 15 - Ask Jeeves 15 - About a Boy 15 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 13 - Two and a Half Men 13 - Slumber Party 13 - Party On, Garth 13 - LARP and the Real Girl 13 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 11 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 07 - Fallen Idols 03 - Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! Sent off with a rimshot and a bowchickawowow... Swap Meat

He's going back earlier than most in order to prep as the director. And yes, we are lucky fans that he's started tweeting like a boss.

Thanks catrox! Ladies and Gentlemen...Start Your Theory Engines!..... Really, at this point, it seems like they are holding true to form. They'll "resolve" the finale by the third episode and Amara will be the largest lingering left behind (at least as a recurring character). I could be wrong. We might have an entire planet of people affected by amoral darkness....but I'm betting not. I'm betting that they've just unleashed a series of Big Bads who they will roll out over the course of the season. Rowena was ALSO introduced in the 3rd episode. The guys at SPN seem to like a little predictability in their season-structure.

How about after this game, we play "best costume"? Some good contenders! -- Season 7, Time for a Wedding! -- Swap Meat ++ Mystery Spot hmmmm.... I seem to be anti-Sam noncon. I'm okay with that. 19 - Hollywood Babylon 19 - Changing Channels 19 - Mystery Spot 17 - Frontierland 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Hell House 17 - Hibbing 911 17 - Monster Movie 15 - The Usual Suspects 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - Folsom Prison Blues 15 - Bad Day at Black Rock 15 - Ghostfacers 15 - Wishful Thinking 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - The French Mistake 15 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 15 - Dog Dean Afternoon 15 - Fan Fiction 15 - Ask Jeeves 15 - About a Boy 15 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 13 - Two and a Half Men 13 - Slumber Party 13 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 13 - Fallen Idols 13 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 13 - Party On, Garth 13 - LARP and the Real Girl 09 - Season Seven, Time for a Wedding! 05 - Swap Meat

++ Mystery Spot -- The Curious Case of Dean Winchester -- Season Seven, Time For A Wedding 19 - Changing Channels 17 - Frontierland 17 - Yellow Fever 17 - Slash Fiction 17 - Reading is Fundamental 17 - Mystery Spot 15 - Hell House 15 - The Usual Suspects 15 - Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 15 - Hollywood Babylon 15 - Folsom Prison Blues 15 - Bad Day at Black Rock 15 - Ghostfacers 15 - Monster Movie 15 - Wishful Thinking 15 - It's a Terrible Life 15 - The Monster at the End of This Book 15 - The Real Ghostbusters 15 - Hammer of the Gods 15 - Weekend at Bobby's 15 - The French Mistake 15 - Two and a Half Men 15 - Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie 15 - Out with the Old 15 - Party On, Garth 15 - Hunteri Heroici 15 - LARP and the Real Girl 15 - Everybody Hates Hitler 15 - Dog Dean Afternoon 15 - Fan Fiction 15 - Ask Jeeves 15 - Hibbing 911 15 - About a Boy 13 - The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 13 - Slumber Party 13 - How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters 13 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe 13 - Fallen Idols 11 - Swap Meat 11 - Season Seven, Time for a Wedding!