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Yes, one would think. She does herself no favors by overexposing herself and appearing on WWHL. She's so jacked up, overly animated, lying through her teeth and protesting too much.

Oh right, because after Bethenny said she wasn't going if Sonja was going, then Carole said she wouldn't go if LuAnn was invited. The truth is, neither Beth or Carole wanted to go in the first place. They both showed up late and left early, and actually thought about slinking off without saying goodbye. Talk about crappy friends, except they're not really Dorinda's friends, only to her face, well, not really to her face either, LOL.

Sonja is being monster-ish, at least in part, because she's pissed at Dorinda for keeping her out of 2 episodes worth of filming in the Berkshires. Does Sonja get paid by how much she appears per episode? I guess she might have also saw that as her opportunity to make up with Bethenny, which equals more scenes and future scenes w/B, since B iced her out until they went to Atlantic City (or some such place). Not making excuses for Son, but aren't they coached and prepped in makeup and hair to be bitchy and bring more drama to the reunions? What she added on to what Bethenny alleged was a bitch move and hitting Dorinda back for costing her screen time.

Agree 100%. I'm pretty sure Dorinda has already figured out that Bethenny doesn't care about her except in a pseudo co-worker sort of way.

Given how everyone responded to the allegation that Dorinda and John do coke I'm sure they do. I know a lot of white collar professionals do recreational drugs and manage to keep it separate from their work life, not my thing.

I think it's entirely possible that Andy, who seems to go on the defensive in favor of Lu during the slut-shaming conversation, may be in the know about Bethenny's plan to place a call to the daughter to corroborate the timeline. Bethanny: "No one here thinks I'm dating a married man, so let's do it." She says with phone in hand and looks like she's either in the contact list or on her way there. B: "Can I make a phone call?" Andy: "What are you doing? Whaawho are you calling?" B: "My boyfriend's daughter." LuAnn: "Oh God." B: "You wanna hear what I'm gonna say? I'm gonna do it LIVE!" Andy doesn't seem all that surprised or giddy about it, in fact he seems rather serious, which seems a bit off to me. He doesn't respond or it's edited out.

I too thought that phone call to the daughter was gross. And just because the daughter corroborates Bethenny's timeline doesn't mean that there wasn't already an affair in the works prior. And then Bethenny with her need of a time stamp via phone call to the high school friend/estranged wife is a little strange. IDK, she seems to go out of her way to get the timeline shored up.

You almost have to wonder if Farrah hired a PR person who is coaching her behavior for this season's show, because she is totally acting out of character. It would almost make sense since she uses the show to launch her career further than TM, and she's very aware how hated she's been. Sort of reminds me of the 180 Camille Grammer did on Housewives of BH. She was, at the time, the most hated hw in history of all the hw franchises. She hired a PR person and went from total bitch hitting on married men to convincingly humble and kind.

As an adoptee, I agree with this. I don't consider my biological parents my parents. Never have, never will. I did meet my bio mom and half siblings when I was about 25. I felt a lot of pressure to maintain a relationship that I wasn't interested in maintaining, so about 10 years later I stopped responding to calls and letters. A part of me feels some guilt, but I always made it clear I wasn't interested in the level of intimate or familial relationship to the extent that she was. I would have been fine with exchanging cards around the holidays and maybe having a short visit every 5 years or so. I was slightly more interested in my half brothers and their kids, but obviously I wouldn't pursue that and leave her out. My disinterest in her had nothing to do with giving me up for adoption. It stems more from the pressure she put on our "relationship". I'm so grateful that I was raised in the family I was raised in. My parents are my parents, they've both passed, but no one will ever or could ever take their place as my folks. My brother is my brother. He couldn't be more of a brother to me if he were my flesh and blood. No one but Carly will know how she will relate to C & T as she becomes of age, but from my experience the more pressure a bio parent places on a child the less that child will respond in kind.

Other than not being together, I'm not entirely sure that Cate and Tyler would be much more different had they not had the ongoing money and fame MTV has provided. MTV has indeed made their lives more comfortable to where they didn't have to attempt to provide for themselves. I'm not sure either one would have done more than the bare minimum to get by. I don't know that Cate would have made a better choice than Tyler. She's been conditioned from her youth to have low self esteem and maintain low expectations from how she should be treated by anyone. I think they're hard wired to be what they are unless they are strongly committed to be otherwise. It pretty much applies to all the teen moms, with exception to Kail and Chelsea.

LOL, you're right!

She did the same thing whenever she was invited to Alex's who lived in Brooklyn. It was too far, it was the Brooklyn, therefore not fabulous enough for her. She actually did go once and complained the whole way over and then either she or Sonja made some snide remark about the crappy hangers Alex used to hang their coats. Elitist twat.

It almost pains me to see someone like Kelly on this show because she is a really unhinged, mentally ill, and probable raging alcoholic. Much like Kim Richards, nothing can be gained by doing a show like this exhibiting all your weaknesses and triggering your anxieties further. Participating in a reality housewives show just pours gasoline over every volatile undisciplined crack in your life egged on by producers. There's no excuse for Kelly, and she is horrible to watch, but the woman is obviously mentally sick and out of control. What a disaster. I will say that I found it a little amusing to see someone stand up to Heather, and in that respect, if Kelly wasn't such a disaster I think she and Shannon would have actually gotten along. And Heather, that horrendous act in the car without managing to squeeze out a tear was just pitiful. So glad Bravo kept that in. She's always been so fake and thinks she's better and more fabulous than everyone else and can command people to leave restaurants, parties, her house, blah blah blah.

Kelly is a pile of dysfunction, so I'm sure TPTB are happy she's on the show, though it can't be good for her family and personal life. I liked what her mom had to say to her, too bad she couldn't execute it; Kelly gets inside her own head too much and already thinks she knows what is what and then filters it through a negative lens, jumps to conclusions and lacks major self control. She must get in fights and fly off the handle on a regular basis, and that's probably why her mother was quick to tell her to forgive, forget and be a bigger person.

Production is ruining this show for me. Surely they have enough going on in their "real" lives without having to manufacture drama and set-up fights. The problem is, they, production and some of the hws, don't want to bring the "real" to the Real Housewives franchise anymore. Say what you want about Vicki, I still think she's the one housewife who consistently brings her real life to the show each season, warts and all, even when she's lying about Brooks -- she lived that shit in her real life. Vicki is still hanging onto Brooks even from a distance, she'll never see him for the scumbag that he is, which confirms her own scum-baggery and compliance in the cancer scam. True as that is, I'll never be on board with Shannon. She's an unlikable bitch. Who the f cares that Shannon looks like Mrs. Roper? What an annoying little twat Kelly is. Typical Newport Beach Blondes with big boob jobs and dyed blonde hair, big whoop, thanks Captain Obvious. If you wanted to insult the blonde lady talking shit about you why not point out her bad nose job? That nose was butchered and looked almost as bad as MJ's. And as far Briana goes, I'm very sympathetic to her health problems and feel bad that she has been struggling for so long. I hope the long journey of suffering comes to an end soon and she's able function like a young and relatively healthy mommy to her adorable boys. I've been up and I've been down with my own health issues, to a much lesser degree, along with being heavy, thin, and everywhere in-between: I don't think it's fair to judge her appearance and weight, just my .02 cents!

I like Sonja and Jules because they have a sense of kindness that the others are lacking. What Jules' is going through with her eating disorder is a 'kettle of fish' I won't attempt to comment too much on because her journey is one I know very little about personally. To some degree, a lot of us have disordered eating issues and no one makes progress when being criticized or treated with a lack of compassion. Carole and Bethenny will reap what they sow, it's called #karma.

What a bitch! Carol doesn't have a storyline, either because she's too boring or because she refuses to be transparent and therefore shares nothing, so she makes Jules' eating disorder her storyline. She doesn't give a flip about Jules, please! Her true colors show when she makes all the snide remarks about Jules in her confessionals. Butt out Carole and worry about your own weight. And get your own damn storyline.

The looks going back and forth between Kody and Meri when they were both asked about the catfishing were very telling. It was like they were communicating to each other with their eyes saying: "Don't go there." "Stick to the script." "You're going too far." "Deviate from the question being asked." "Remember how we practiced it." So ANNOYING. And Meri, you most certainly were planning to leave, otherwise your daughter wouldn't still be pissed and giving you the silent treatment. And your "Love ya." texts were no casual thing -- you fell IN LOVE, hook, line, and sinker. We've seen the texts, heard the voicemails, seen you acting provocative with a banana, acting in desperation wanting to speak to the "man" you fell in love with. I'd actually have compassion and respect for her if she'd been honest instead of lying the whole time. Meri is just pathetic, and I 100% believe if she met a man who gave her the attention and love that she craves she would leave Kody in a NY minute. She is, and always has been, the most miserable of them all.

Aw Crinkle, I apologize. That wasn't my intention about your post. I posted bc I didn't really see a big difference the way most did. I guess LR just annoys me after what she pulled this season bc I sorta went along that her intentions were generally good and I bought into her lies regarding Vanderpump, so that's where I was coming from. I didn't mean to imply your post was frivolous.

Bethenny is jr staff for Bravo and Andy's bff, no doubt they gave her a lot of power in addition to all the $ to get her to come back for another season. She is ruining this show for me.

Not sure, but I can't help thinking there's more than meets the eye concerning B's 'new' relationship. I'm jaded where Bethenny is concerned, my dislike for her gets in the way of my ability to see her objectively, therefore I wonder if they've been involved longer than they claim. Lu may be many things, but we haven't seen her get in a serious relationship with a married man of 20 years who happens to be married to a good (?) friend of hers. B claims she's a girl's girl, which I think is total bs, and even if that is the case, I can't wrap my head around it ever being ok to do that to a friend. Although it worked for David and Mohammed.

Re; TT 2nd blind item, it does seem far-fetched that B would want to announce an engagement when she and the new guy are both legally married to other people. And B's guy hasn't even filed for divorce, I think. At least Lu and Tom are free to marry...

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To me it just looks like she brushed her hair back, no major change. Frankly, I don't give a f how she wears her hair; it's the least of her problems.

As per Dorinda, B shows up late and leaves early in all the hws scenes. Diva spends just *enough* time for filming obligations and she's OUT.