Meredith Quill September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Question: does the idiot win with team village only? 1 Link to comment
The Crazed Spruce September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, SilverStormm said: Question: does the idiot win with team village only? Well, there's nobody else to switch them to a werewolf, so.... 1 Link to comment
JonSnow September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 I had started on Team Village as well but I know nothing other then that 1 Link to comment
Meredith Quill September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Because if that's the case then, it can only help team village if the VI comes out and says what s/he did. This character makes life extra hard for team wolf since all players who were on team wolf now have been shifted up or down and those who ARE now TW have no idea that they are. The only time you'd stay TW is if your neighbour whom you're shifted to, was also TW but then THAT person is likely TW no more. I predict this game will end v quickly... 1 Link to comment
Hanged Man September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 So... once the VI announces that he moved people TW is no longer TW and they should instantly say "because the VI moved everyone, I was wolf but I am now villager so whoever is above or below me is TW?" 1 Link to comment
Meredith Quill September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Essentially yes. For example; I started on team village so I'm going to play as if I'm on team village, because if I became a wolf I DON'T KNOW about it. So my advice to team village is this; the troublemaker, witch and robber reveal who they messed with THEN the VI say what they did and whoever is now a wolf will be discovered. As far as I can tell, that is a winning formula for team village. I may be a wolf now who has just helped team village win but I'm taking the risk. As for the Tanner - they have zero chance, once the VI announces what they did, whoever was the Tanner will reveal who has BECOME the Tanner now. Sorry Tanner you're equally screwed. 1 Link to comment
Hanged Man September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 So until the VI speaks no one knows what side they are on and even after the VI speaks you don't know what team you are on unless you assemble clues from your fellow players... ... So pretty much just waitin' on you Village Idiot so we can start 1 Link to comment
FormerMod-a1 September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 What if the Village Idiot was an unclaimed/unused role? 1 Link to comment
Meredith Quill September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 That would be hilarious and hopefully one of the seers can tell us if that is the case. 2 Link to comment
Jesse September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Somehow it seems like it's more fun not to tell! I am the Village Idiot, and I did move everyone. 1 Link to comment
egavasc September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Well this should be fun! I know a few things and can confirm that Spruce is the only mason (unless it went claimed later). 1 Link to comment
Guest September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Jesse said: Somehow it seems like it's more fun not to tell! I am the Village Idiot, and I did move everyone. Which way? Up or down? Link to comment
TJtrack99 September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Well, I suppose if the Witch changed the Village Idiot, they wouldn't be able to move everyone, so that's another way we might not have to worry about it. She seems to be another role that should probably share. And lest you think I'm making a claim: (Oh wait, wrong game.) I may have been witch-LIKE, since I had a cauldron and I was chanting "Bubble, bubble, toil" and...something. I would like to know a bit more about what the Village Idiot did...and maybe a bit more about the original role of @MarkHB. Just asking since he's my Mark-bro, you know, no other reason... 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 Ok I may have something to say once I move these pieces around the floor a bit more. 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 We need to know up or down and we need to know if VI switches would be done first (pretty sure it is in the notes) before getting a new role. So did VI successfully switch all of us and which direction? 1 Link to comment
MarkHB September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 The only way we'll figure out who I became is to develop this film.... ;) 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 TJ are you hinting at being the witch? 1 Link to comment
Jesse September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 I did move down, and now I'm offline for the night! 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 To the very best of my understanding the VI was switched to another role before she could move us all. I believe the only bad switches in play are from the troublemaker. Others would be choosing unclaimed roles? Link to comment
TJtrack99 September 15, 2016 Share September 15, 2016 48 minutes ago, Oinky Boinky said: TJ are you hinting at being the witch? I believe I responded to that specifically. And left what I think is a pretty strong hint as to who I am. Well, was. 49 minutes ago, MarkHB said: The only way we'll figure out who I became is to develop this film.... ;) Oh I think I have an idea of who you are, or rather, whose role you'd have. Along with a few other people (including....myself????). 52 minutes ago, MarkHB said: The only way we'll figure out who I became is to develop this film.... ;) Rather than edit my last post, I'll say that this is why I asked who you were previously, Markbro. For Witch or not, Village Idiot acting or not, you are not that any more. 1 Link to comment
Hanged Man September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 (edited) Ok since everyone moved down and there are no actions involving swapping active players after the VI and unless there was some swapping going on CP is the Robber and became the robber after the robbery so he did not rob TJ is the apprentice seer and became the apprentice seer after the seeing so he did not see (unless he was the seer prior to the VI) Edited September 16, 2016 by Hanged Man Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 I thought I said I am pretty sure the VI moved no one. Link to comment
egavasc September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 OB, how is that so? Even if they are robbed, they still get to take their actions as far as I know. I'm really confused here. To lessen some of the other confusion, I am (or was) the seer and know that a mason and the insomniac are two of the unclaimed roles. Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 The witch switched Jesse to the other unclaimed mason and if I read the order correctly- the witch moves before the VI. Link to comment
Meredith Quill September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 You still get to perform your original action even if you're switched; because you don't know you've been switched. 1 Link to comment
Drogo September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 I definitely started as a Vanilla Villager. Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 3 hours ago, TJtrack99 said: Well, I suppose if the Witch changed the Village Idiot, they wouldn't be able to move everyone, so that's another way we might not have to worry about it. She seems to be another role that should probably share. This is what I am going on. Makes sense to me. Link to comment
MarkHB September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 42 minutes ago, SilverStormm said: You still get to perform your original action even if you're switched; because you don't know you've been switched. Thank you; I was going to say that earlier but my phone ate the post. I was the Drunk; I chose C. @egavasc Can you help with who I became? Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 List time! Claimed roles before VI did (or didn't do) anthing The Crazed Spruce - Mason MMCS MarkHB - Started as Drunk (switched by Troublemaker)? Drogo - Vanilla Villager aquarian1 -Robbed by HM - became Robber CP Lisin - Vanilla Villager SilverStormm egavasc Deadpool Oinky B. Jesse - Village Idiot HM - (Robbed a1) became Apprentice Seer TJ - [Troublemaker?] Ser Jorah Unclaimed - Mason Unclaimed - Insomniac Unclaimed - Link to comment
Drogo September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 @Lisin could not have been a Vanilla Villager because I believe there was just the one (me.) Lisin, who were you really? You're not that anymore. Link to comment
Guest September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 OK. With the VI in play I am now the robber, Lisin took my wolf and Silver took Lisin's dreamwolf and MuuMuu was the other wolf. This was too easy unless I messed something up really badly. Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Given that I'm most likely a Mason now, I'll confirm CP's statement. 1 Link to comment
Drogo September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Well then there it is. Choices, choices... I'll go with @Lisin since she was a Wolf twice. :) 1 to DL Lisin (Drogo) Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Would be good if the Troublemaker could confirm that they didn't switch CP, but otherwise, I'm up for a DL of Lisin. Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 3 to DL Lisin (Drogo, CP, MMCS) Link to comment
FormerMod-a1 September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Oh, why not? 4 to DL Lisin (Drogo, CP, MMCS, aquarian1) Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 3 hours ago, TJtrack99 said: I believe I responded to that specifically. And left what I think is a pretty strong hint as to who I am. Well, was. Oh I think I have an idea of who you are, or rather, whose role you'd have. Along with a few other people (including....myself????). Rather than edit my last post, I'll say that this is why I asked who you were previously, Markbro. For Witch or not, Village Idiot acting or not, you are not that any more. Side note: This GIF is never not funny. 2 Link to comment
MarkHB September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 If I understand what has transpired, I believe I need to do this.... 4 to DL Lisin (Drogo, CP, MMCS, aquarian1) 1 to DL @Drogo (MarkHB) 1 Link to comment
Drogo September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Since I most assuredly do not understand what has transpired, I fully support Mark's decision to vote for me. 1 Link to comment
TJtrack99 September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 (edited) Seems like I'm still Team Village, so I'll share fully: I reciprocated Mark's action last game by swapping him and HM. This also gave me the benefit of hopefully knowing who I was if the VI rotated down, which seems to be the case! So now I'll go get a drink ;) And provide my notes on who everyone should be now: The Crazed Spruce - Ser Jorah's old role (after VI shift down) MMCS – Mason (after VI shift down) MarkHB – Wolf* (after VI shift down but was originally Drunk so is now a formerly unclaimed role??) Drogo – Apprentice Seer (after Robbing, Troublemaker swap, VI shift down) aquarian1 – Vanilla Villager (after VI shift down) CP – Robber/Apprentice Seer (after robbing, VI shift down) Lisin – Wolf*(after VI shift down) SilverStormm– Dreamwolf*(after VI shift down) Egavasc - SS's old role (after VI shift down) Deadpool– Seer (after VI shift down) Oinky B. - Deadpool's old role (after VI shift down) Jesse – VI , possibly team Village/Tanner if OB did in fact curse them HM - OB's old role (after VI shift down), possibly Witch? TJ – Drunk (after Troublemaker swap, VI shift down) Ser Jorah– Troublemaker (after VI shift down) **None of this accounts for Witch Unclaimed: Mason, Insomniac, Minion/Witch/Hunter/Bodyguard/Tanner The 5 unknown slots are underlined. The one in the Unclaimed role lists the 5 possibilities. So in summary: -I'm still unclear whether the Robber just copies the role or forcibly swaps them. Hence why CP is unknown. -SS may in fact have gotten screwed, as being on Team Village and switched to a Wolf without her knowing. - @Deadpool and @Ser Jorah Mormont should tell us who they were, as they're Team Village now regardless. -A few of those have notes assuming OB was the Witch who cursed Jesse, which I feel was being hinted at. Confirm? (Deadpool informing us would shine light on which team OB is on now, and thus the truth-worthiness of the confirmation.) -Mark's vote would either be based on the Hunter or Bodyguard (or Tanner), if in fact the Drunk can swap his role even if he became a Wolf through other means first. -I think this all means Lisin is exactly who we should vote for. Edited because the Tanner could have been the last unclaimed role, and I tried to account for that. Edited September 16, 2016 by TJtrack99 2 Link to comment
Hanged Man September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, TJtrack99 said: I'm still unclear whether the Robber just copies the role or forcibly swaps them. Hence why CP is unknown. The Robber does not copy, the robber swaps. 1 Link to comment
The Crazed Spruce September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 Since there's a one in four chance I'm the bodyguard now, I'm gonna hold off on my vote for a bit.... Link to comment
Deadpool September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 3 hours ago, TJtrack99 said: -A few of those have notes assuming OB was the Witch who cursed Jesse, which I feel was being hinted at. Confirm? (Deadpool informing us would shine light on which team OB is on now, and thus the truth-worthiness of the confirmation.) I can confirm I was the Tanner 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 9 hours ago, SilverStormm said: You still get to perform your original action even if you're switched; because you don't know you've been switched. I'm not sure this is how it works. I wonder if it is possible to get a ruling or can someone refer to another game where they were stymied or not stymied by being switched? If you were the bodyguard and get switched off to say VV you wouldn't know and you would go through the actions of protecting someone but I can't see that the protection would work and the Tanner if switched off to VV doesn't win if we lynch them but if they don't know they've been switched isn't that what they would work towards? At the point the VI was making switches she was a Mason- otherwise why is there a specific order of night moves? It wouldn't matter that the witch goes first. Not trying to be difficult, just not sure about jumping on a vote based on the switch downwards by a mason. Link to comment
TJtrack99 September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 I way I understand it, roles and people are almost separate. You start out as a role, you submit your action for the list as that role. And then everything starts going, so you may not be that role when that action takes place. But they still all occur and always in that order. We currently don't have a way to keep any actions from happening, we could only have ways to have made them ineffective (Troublemaker swapping a Robber and his victim back, or if we had a Doppleganger who doppled a Troublemaker or Village Idiot and choose poorly). I was going to try to go through the thought exercise of why Jesse might lie, and what to do if there was no shift or a shift the other way. I think no matter what, we're on the right track with Lisin. But I also don't think Jesse would know any better than to tell the truth (wouldn't know they were evil if they did get switched to Minion/Tanner by the Witch). And that exercise made my head hurt. 2 Link to comment
Drogo September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 About 3 games ago I was robbed, but my Troublemaker swap still happened so we found a wolf. Everyone still acts as their respective role because like SS said, they don't know they've been messed with. 1 Link to comment
Oinky Boinky September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 7 hours ago, TJtrack99 said: -A few of those have notes assuming OB was the Witch who cursed Jesse, which I feel was being hinted at. Confirm? (Deadpool informing us would shine light on which team OB is on now, and thus the truth-worthiness of the confirmation.) Yes I was the witch, the role I saw and then switched was the unclaimed mason. I had to take it or give it so I gave it to a neighbour (Jesse) ensuring a 50% chance of controlling my own final role. Now this is kind of a pickle because if Deadpool is NOW a werewolf all he needs to do is say he WAS a werewolf and get me lynched and the wolves win. 1 Link to comment
egavasc September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 If I wasn't confused enough already, I'm even more confused now. OB says as the witch she switched Jesse to the unclaimed mason. Mark claims as the drunk he claimed unclaimed role C which is the unclaimed mason. How can both be the mason????? 1 Link to comment
JonSnow September 16, 2016 Share September 16, 2016 (edited) I was the bodyguard when the game started however I am no longer bodyguard since the move Edited September 16, 2016 by Ser Jorah Mormont 1 Link to comment
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