Girls Next Door - General Discussion

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, qtpye said:

I heard it was actually his daughter that focused more on the nude women rather than the compelling cutting edge journalism that made the magazine so respected in the early days. Bad move when the internet made nudity extremely cheap and it was no longer a valuable commodity.

Oh I hadn’t heard that! Definitely bad move. 

53 minutes ago, qtpye said:

So true. Holly’s shortcomings are very understandable to those women who suffered from low self esteem when they were younger. The only difference is that most of us did not have to fight off a literal harem for affection.

Yes! I relate to Holly feeling like an ugly duckling as a child. I think when you have that poor self esteem, and then the thing you chase for validation/a stepping stone to modeling or some type of Hollywood career is like a double edge sword, Holly’s decisions make a lot of sense. Holly liked the idea of being Hugh Hefner’s arm candy, being a Playboy girl and all that. She never technically became a Playmate, but she did achieve her goal of fame and appearing in Playboy. Although these goals are achieved, she still never feels pretty enough because of stuff Hef told her and the bevy of beauties she met at the mansion. She felt like just another blonde. Then she got judged for being a gold digger, people thinking she’s this bimbo. She mentioned getting a degree so people would stop thinking she’s dumb, not because she really wanted the education for herself. While she looks the way she wanted to as a child-blonde hair a la Marilyn, little nose, the big boobs-her appearance probably also leads people to think she’s just a dumb blonde. It’s like okay people think I’m hot now, but now I have to prove there’s more to me than a body and being Hef’s ex. She also wants her daughter to be proud of the decisions she makes from now on, so I’m sure she wants to do more projects that don’t revolve around her body. 

[LoneHaranguer]

2 hours ago, qtpye said:

I heard it was actually his daughter that focused more on the nude women rather than the compelling cutting edge journalism that made the magazine so respected in the early days. Bad move when the internet made nudity extremely cheap and it was no longer a valuable commodity.

It didn't help that the photography got very cookie cutter after Hef stopped watching over production. Hair, makeup, poses, settings, etc - going overboard trying to give the magazine the same look each month.

[LemonSoda]

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Oh I didn’t think of that! It is definitely easier to look good in a bikini than completely nude. Me too. Back in the day, if you posed the only people who could see the pictures were the guys who had the Playboys, now the images are out there forever and easily accessible to everyone. I think it’s smart to think long and hard before posing. I’m sure many women never regret doing it, but there are some who do regret doing Playboy when they’re older and no longer see it as glamorous. 

That’s true. Hef was bright. I know for me I didn’t know what to expect from his daughter. When your father is Hugh Hefner, do you feel more pressure to look a certain way? I wonder if she was ever teased or wished her father were different. Not too many people grew up with a dad like hers. I remember Holly said in an episode that she wished she spoke like Christie. 

Aw thanks for the all the support!!! 

Totally! I feel like I’m constantly watching the news or shows where people are arguing and competing. I’d love something like the GND. It was so light and cute you watch it before going to sleep without getting worked up over something. 

Yeah Bridget said at first her step dad was concerned about her living with Hef and being a girlfriend. But her mom and dad were instantly supportive and her step dad came around quickly. Her mom was happy she finally got to achieve her dream of posing for Playboy. I thought her sister Anastasia seemed sweet. 

A bit of both! I can’t see myself in the shoes of sharing a man, one my grandfather’s age at that, but I love the “fantasy girly lifestyle” as Bridget put it. I also think Hef’s story, the life he lead, all the people he met, and the clubs are interesting. Some of those Playmates/girlfriends were so beautiful you wonder what happened to them. It was cool seeing Barbi on GND. 

How cool! That’s exactly what I would have guessed. I read a book about working as a Playboy Bunny awhile back. 

Exactly. Back then unless you parlayed it in to a small career or springboard to something else most of the playmates went back to normal life, there wasn't a Google or web album to linger around. I've heard stories of people surprised to find out Mom or Grandma was in playboy because they never thought it was a big deal or didn't want the stigma of neighbors knowing. 

Hmm, I'm not sure. Has Christie ever given an interview about anything other than her work for the company?

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Yeah I don't want the shouting matches or crazy drama. Lately I'm watching very little new tv. I'm on Crackle watching VIP which is more campy cheeky fun or older silly reality shows on Tubi. 

Anastasia was adorable! She still is. 

I know what you mean. The House Bunny kind of showed that. When you eliminate the mean girls and the mind games, it all seems like a very fun existence. Parties! Fun in the sun! The salon pampering. Even the movie nights. 

The Bunny Years? It and the accompanying documentary are great. I remember when the Kirstie Alley movie based on the Steinham article came out my Mom was horrified that she made it seem so seedy. It was hard, tedious work but if you followed the rules you could create a life for yourself you never imagined. 

6 hours ago, qtpye said:

I heard it was actually his daughter that focused more on the nude women rather than the compelling cutting edge journalism that made the magazine so respected in the early days. Bad move when the internet made nudity extremely cheap and it was no longer a valuable commodity.

The internet has killed a lot of things. Fantasy and human connection 😞 

6 hours ago, qtpye said:

So true. Holly’s shortcomings are very understandable to those women who suffered from low self esteem when they were younger. The only difference is that most of us did not have to fight off a literal harem for affection.

I agree! But I still believe she had problems before she ever entered the mansion and mansion life only multiplied them multiple times. 

5 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Oh I hadn’t heard that! Definitely bad move. 

Yes! I relate to Holly feeling like an ugly duckling as a child. I think when you have that poor self esteem, and then the thing you chase for validation/a stepping stone to modeling or some type of Hollywood career is like a double edge sword, Holly’s decisions make a lot of sense. Holly liked the idea of being Hugh Hefner’s arm candy, being a Playboy girl and all that. She never technically became a Playmate, but she did achieve her goal of fame and appearing in Playboy. Although these goals are achieved, she still never feels pretty enough because of stuff Hef told her and the bevy of beauties she met at the mansion. She felt like just another blonde. Then she got judged for being a gold digger, people thinking she’s this bimbo. She mentioned getting a degree so people would stop thinking she’s dumb, not because she really wanted the education for herself. While she looks the way she wanted to as a child-blonde hair a la Marilyn, little nose, the big boobs-her appearance probably also leads people to think she’s just a dumb blonde. It’s like okay people think I’m hot now.

I hadn't either but I know the brand also took kind of a reputation hit when they began acquiring porn networks. 

I do wonder if she regrets the nudity because I've heard her mention a lot since she left the mansion that if you present yourself a certain way, sexual or posing nude that people assume you never have a choice on how you're seen from then on. If you pose nude everyone assumes you're always willing to get naked at any moment. 

3 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

It didn't help that the photography got very cookie cutter after Hef stopped watching over production. Hair, makeup, poses, settings, etc - going overboard trying to give the magazine the same look each month.

That was awful. I have a problem telling some of the early 2000s blondes apart.

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Exactly. Back then unless you parlayed it in to a small career or springboard to something else most of the playmates went back to normal life, there wasn't a Google or web album to linger around. I've heard stories of people surprised to find out Mom or Grandma was in playboy because they never thought it was a big deal or didn't want the stigma of neighbors knowing. 

Hmm, I'm not sure. Has Christie ever given an interview about anything other than her work for the company?

❤️

Yeah I don't want the shouting matches or crazy drama. Lately I'm watching very little new tv. I'm on Crackle watching VIP which is more campy cheeky fun or older silly reality shows on Tubi. 

Anastasia was adorable! She still is. 

I know what you mean. The House Bunny kind of showed that. When you eliminate the mean girls and the mind games, it all seems like a very fun existence. Parties! Fun in the sun! The salon pampering. Even the movie nights. 

The Bunny Years? It and the accompanying documentary are great. I remember when the Kirstie Alley movie based on the Steinham article came out my Mom was horrified that she made it seem so seedy. It was hard, tedious work but if you followed the rules you could create a life for yourself you never imagined. 

The internet has killed a lot of things. Fantasy and human connection 😞 

I agree! But I still believe she had problems before she ever entered the mansion and mansion life only multiplied them multiple times. 

I hadn't either but I know the brand also took kind of a reputation hit when they began acquiring porn networks. 

I do wonder if she regrets the nudity because I've heard her mention a lot since she left the mansion that if you present yourself a certain way, sexual or posing nude that people assume you never have a choice on how you're seen from then on. If you pose nude everyone assumes you're always willing to get naked at any moment. 

That was awful. I have a problem telling some of the early 2000s blondes apart.

I know Kelly Wearstler was a Playmate. She went as Kelly Gallagher and was gorgeous!

I googled and didn't find a ton about Christie. There is even less about David, Hef's oldest son. He's the biggest mystery to me. I don't remember him ever appearing on GND. 

Totally agree! She's not only adorable, but she seems nice like Bridget. Bridget's brother seemed cool too. Their parents must have done something right.

Exactly! It was like Real Housewives without the ugly drama. 

Yes! I didn't know about the documentary. It's been a long time since I read the book, but I was intrigued because Playboy was once a lot more glamorous. It does sound like hard work, but it does sound like being a Bunny back then would have been the coolest!

Holly admitted you have to be a damaged person to wind up in the position she was in...

I thought Hef was always super against porn. Was that decision made after he passed? I forget...

Hef's vision for Playboy initially was for it to be sexy and titillating but still tasteful. I think it's a shame there's a porn connection now. 

Yes, I remember Holly saying that, and I don't blame her for how she feels. Just because she felt comfortable with nudity when she was younger doesn't mean she should be expected to take off her clothes anywhere, anytime. She still deserves respect. I remember a Playmate saying a similar thing (Donna D'Errico from Baywatch). She said she was comfortable posing at a certain time in her life, when she was in a certain shape, with the lights, makeup, etc. She didn't appreciate people thinking she should be comfortable being seen nude.

As much as I think Playboy has more beautiful and unique women than some might think (certainly what I thought before I got more into it after watching GND), there really have been SO many blondes who looked a lot alike. I'm not saying they weren't beautiful women. A lot of them actually were-flawlessly pretty features and great figures. But they lacked the uniqueness to be unforgettable beauties.

Edited August 3, 2019 by RealHousewife

[LemonSoda]

21 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I know Kelly Wearstler was a Playmate. She went as Kelly Gallagher and was gorgeous!

I googled and didn't find a ton about Christie. There is even less about David, Hef's oldest son. He's the biggest mystery to me. I don't remember him ever appearing on GND. 

Totally agree! She's not only adorable, but she seems nice like Bridget. Bridget's brother seemed cool too. Their parents must have done something right.

Exactly! It was like Real Housewives without the ugly drama. 

Yes! I didn't know about the documentary. It's been a long time since I read the book, but I was intrigued because Playboy was once a lot more glamorous. It does sound like hard work, but it does sound like being a Bunny back then would have been the coolest!

Holly admitted you have to be a damaged person to wind up in the position she was in...

I thought Hef was always super against porn. Was that decision made after he passed? I forget...

Hef's vision for Playboy initially was for it to be sexy and titillating but still tasteful. I think it's a shame there's a porn connection now. 

Yes, I remember Holly saying that, and I don't blame her for how she feels. Just because she felt comfortable with nudity when she was younger doesn't mean she should be expected to take off her clothes anywhere, anytime. She still deserves respect. I remember a Playmate saying a similar thing (Donna D'Errico from Baywatch). She said she was comfortable posing at a certain time in her life, when she was in a certain shape, with the lights, makeup, etc. She didn't appreciate people thinking she should be comfortable being seen nude.

As much as I think Playboy has more beautiful and unique women than some might think (certainly what I thought before I got more into it after watching GND), there really have been SO many blondes who looked a lot alike. I'm not saying they weren't beautiful women. A lot of them actually were-flawlessly pretty features and great figures. But they lacked the uniqueness to be unforgettable beauties.

I wrote a fabulous response but my iPad ate it 😞 

I love Kelly's design work! I'm not sure she talks about her Playboy days? Some posed or had their photos spoke to Playboy. 

Except for a bit of political articles over the years I don't think much is known about Christie or David. Millie may have broken Hef's heart but. She seems to have raised good children while Hef was being Hef. 

Bridgets parents did a great job. Sometimes I hate that all the Playboy stuff takes away from how intelligent and educated she is. 

Ive heard the mansion was like that when Hef was still with Kimberly. The women staying there to do their photos said it was all fun and exciting without the drama. That only started after Hef started dating again and didn't get severe until after the Bentley twins and Brande left. 

You would like the documentary. It shows the glamour and when Playboy still was a cachet thing. Remember how outraged real former bunnies were when the short lived series The Playboy Club was on? They didn't like anyone cheapening or misrepresenting what they did. 

I know, Holly would touch on something then not go in to it. Weird. 

No, they were acquiring porn companies during Hef's time. 

Sadly, that's one of the things that hurt Playboy with the rise of the internet. What used to be sassy and sweetly titilating was considered mundane, outdated. 

Its sad that the world doesn't understand that. I think it's crazy that the assumption because you did it once you always will still exists. Also the unfortunate mind set that someone's body is public property. Ugh. 

Thats what I meant with the formulaic cookie cutter blondes. Some of them are absolutely flawless. But I can't tell who is who or remember their names. They all blend.  

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I wrote a fabulous response but my iPad ate it 😞 

I love Kelly's design work! I'm not sure she talks about her Playboy days? Some posed or had their photos spoke to Playboy. 

Except for a bit of political articles over the years I don't think much is known about Christie or David. Millie may have broken Hef's heart but. She seems to have raised good children while Hef was being Hef. 

Bridgets parents did a great job. Sometimes I hate that all the Playboy stuff takes away from how intelligent and educated she is. 

Ive heard the mansion was like that when Hef was still with Kimberly. The women staying there to do their photos said it was all fun and exciting without the drama. That only started after Hef started dating again and didn't get severe until after the Bentley twins and Brande left. 

You would like the documentary. It shows the glamour and when Playboy still was a cachet thing. Remember how outraged real former bunnies were when the short lived series The Playboy Club was on? They didn't like anyone cheapening or misrepresenting what they did. 

I know, Holly would touch on something then not go in to it. Weird. 

No, they were acquiring porn companies during Hef's time. 

Sadly, that's one of the things that hurt Playboy with the rise of the internet. What used to be sassy and sweetly titilating was considered mundane, outdated. 

Its sad that the world doesn't understand that. I think it's crazy that the assumption because you did it once you always will still exists. Also the unfortunate mind set that someone's body is public property. Ugh. 

Thats what I meant with the formulaic cookie cutter blondes. Some of them are absolutely flawless. But I can't tell who is who or remember their names. They all blend.  

Aw that's the worst!

I don't think she likes to publicize it, but she said she doesn't regret it. She used the money to start her company. 

Sounds about right. I did read Christie say Hef wasn't around much. She described him as the kind, gentle person he comes across in interviews. He just wasn't present the way a father should be. 

Absolutely. Intelligent, hardworking, educated, generous, thoughtful, they raised a great girl. 

I guess there were highs and lows with the girlfriends throughout the years. I've heard Brande is a sweet person. 

I'll try to catch the documentary if I can. I actually didn't know that about the show! I heard about it but didn't catch it. So I guess I didn't miss much if it misrepresented what it was actually like?

Yeah, I noticed that about Holly too...

Oh wow! I guess it must have been a money thing? As free as Hef was with a lot, I thought he was absolutely against porn, escorts, strippers, etc. He liked Playboy to be as wholesome as possible for a nudie mag. 

Yes, definitely sad. 

For sure. Some blondes who stand out to me besides Pam and Anna Nicole are Dorothy Stratten (face like a doll), Heather Kozar (Holly's favorite Playmate), Shanna Moakler, and Sasha Bonilova. 

[LemonSoda]

13 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Aw that's the worst!

I don't think she likes to publicize it, but she said she doesn't regret it. She used the money to start her company. 

Sounds about right. I did read Christie say Hef wasn't around much. She described him as the kind, gentle person he comes across in interviews. He just wasn't present the way a father should be. 

Absolutely. Intelligent, hardworking, educated, generous, thoughtful, they raised a great girl. 

I guess there were highs and lows with the girlfriends throughout the years. I've heard Brande is a sweet person. 

I'll try to catch the documentary if I can. I actually didn't know that about the show! I heard about it but didn't catch it. So I guess I didn't miss much if it misrepresented what it was actually like?

Yeah, I noticed that about Holly too...

Oh wow! I guess it must have been a money thing? As free as Hef was with a lot, I thought he was absolutely against porn, escorts, strippers, etc. He liked Playboy to be as wholesome as possible for a nudie mag. 

Yes, definitely sad. 

For sure. Some blondes who stand out to me besides Pam and Anna Nicole are Dorothy Stratten (face like a doll), Heather Kozar (Holly's favorite Playmate), Shanna Moakler, and Sasha Bonilova. 

It is the worst! 

Thats what I meant, many don't publicize it. It's not a shame thing it's a that's not who I am thing. 

You know as much as we've discussed the girls in many ways Hef is no different than they are. He talked about everything with the same dreamy stars in his eyes viewpoint. The difference is he was the star of his movie and didn't want to share top billing. He never stopped being that eight year old sitting in the movie theater dreaming. I'm glad his older children turned out so well considering he wasn't there for them. 

Brande seemed very sweet on The Surreal Life. 

The Playboy Club to me was only worth watching for the costumes and set designs. I like things like that. But the writing and crime stuff seemed dumb. Couldn't they get better writers? What would be wrong writing it all as it truly happened? Young women choosing to empower themselves by taking a job that's both glamorous and risqué at a time the world was rapidly changing. I know from my Mom's experience there are many good stories that could've been told. One woman she knew would cry over the guilt she felt because she was earning more a week than her Father made in a month at a factory job in NJ. 

Its hard to explain, I don't expect her to spill her guts or share all her secrets but Holly will make a statement then stop. Sometimes I wonder if there's a reason for it. 

Hef was against all of that stuff for Playboy. But he lost power. Much like the mansion wasn't his, he lost power over his own company a long time ago. Unfortunately the porn companies brought in the much needed money. Playboy as it was, was a sinking ship. Hence the bad merchandising, bunny logo licensing and shock how much attention the GND brought to the brand. 

I love Dorothy Stratten! She truly did look like a doll. That skin!

Heather Kozar is one of my favourites too. She's in my category of "Why wasn't she bigger?" Yeah she did the price is right and a few other things but with those looks she should've been more well known. 

Shanna Moakler is sort of too. In her prime she was drop dead gorgeous. Angel face, like Grace Kelly. It's easy to snark and say she's lazy after seeing all of her reality shows. Or blame her getting caught up in the nightlife in Hollywood or her messy relationships. But she should've done more. Pre-Playboy and post Miss USA she did some really amazing modeling work. I guess I feel slightly bad that she's more known for tabloid stuff instead of her own accomplishments and beauty. I love her lip gloss though! 

[RealHousewife]

16 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

It is the worst! 

Thats what I meant, many don't publicize it. It's not a shame thing it's a that's not who I am thing. 

You know as much as we've discussed the girls in many ways Hef is no different than they are. He talked about everything with the same dreamy stars in his eyes viewpoint. The difference is he was the star of his movie and didn't want to share top billing. He never stopped being that eight year old sitting in the movie theater dreaming. I'm glad his older children turned out so well considering he wasn't there for them. 

Brande seemed very sweet on The Surreal Life. 

The Playboy Club to me was only worth watching for the costumes and set designs. I like things like that. But the writing and crime stuff seemed dumb. Couldn't they get better writers? What would be wrong writing it all as it truly happened? Young women choosing to empower themselves by taking a job that's both glamorous and risqué at a time the world was rapidly changing. I know from my Mom's experience there are many good stories that could've been told. One woman she knew would cry over the guilt she felt because she was earning more a week than her Father made in a month at a factory job in NJ. 

Its hard to explain, I don't expect her to spill her guts or share all her secrets but Holly will make a statement then stop. Sometimes I wonder if there's a reason for it. 

Hef was against all of that stuff for Playboy. But he lost power. Much like the mansion wasn't his, he lost power over his own company a long time ago. Unfortunately the porn companies brought in the much needed money. Playboy as it was, was a sinking ship. Hence the bad merchandising, bunny logo licensing and shock how much attention the GND brought to the brand. 

I love Dorothy Stratten! She truly did look like a doll. That skin!

Heather Kozar is one of my favourites too. She's in my category of "Why wasn't she bigger?" Yeah she did the price is right and a few other things but with those looks she should've been more well known. 

Shanna Moakler is sort of too. In her prime she was drop dead gorgeous. Angel face, like Grace Kelly. It's easy to snark and say she's lazy after seeing all of her reality shows. Or blame her getting caught up in the nightlife in Hollywood or her messy relationships. But she should've done more. Pre-Playboy and post Miss USA she did some really amazing modeling work. I guess I feel slightly bad that she's more known for tabloid stuff instead of her own accomplishments and beauty. I love her lip gloss though! 

I don't blame them. Some women like Pam and Carmen Electra pose for the mag and their whole career is being a glamour model and the sexy gal. With someone like Kelly, it was a very brief moment in her life. 

Joanna Krupa from RHOM said she was very grateful to Playboy for making her a better known model. Lisa Hochstein said she really glamorized Playboy when she was young, but now she regrets doing it and finds it cheesy. 

That's very true about Hef. He was described as kind of a big kid. People question if he was truly happy, not having ever grown old with anyone. He always insisted he was happy and wouldn't have it any other way. Men joke that of course he'd be happy. As a woman, I don't know. When I'm in my 80's, I don't think I'd want some hot 20-something man with me my last years because I am wealthy and live in a mansion. He did live quite a life though, so I can see why he felt grateful and wanted to be positive. Some people never love anyone, never have kids, never achieve the success he had, never traveled like he did, met all kinds of people, etc. 

A lot of the well-known women who've done Playboy-Brande, Jenny, Pam, Carmen, they all seem very sweet.

I also like costumes and nice set designs! Interesting about the writing and that one Bunny felt bad for how well she was paid. I'd imagine a job like that would be quite hard to resist for a lot of women. If you are lucky enough to have the coveted looks and youth for the job, are comfortable with the costume and the hard work entailed, and could use the good pay for it, it's hard to imagine not wanting to be a Bunny. 

Yeah I've wondered if Holly either doesn't want to say things that would bring shame to her family, or if someone outside of her immediate family abused her and it was too painful for her to talk about. Maybe none of it, but I've wondered. Maybe she just didn't feel loved by her parents. It's not the most dramatic story to some people, but it would explain her feeling damaged and not wanting to go back home and opting to go to the Playboy Mansion instead. 

I see. I didn't know that! I heard about the mansion but not Playboy itself. 

Dorothy is one of the prettiest women ever to me. So sad how her life was ended. Hef said she was the sweetest person he ever knew. 

Yeah, Holly described Heather as a hotter Marilyn Monroe. I totally see it. She had the looks that appealed both to those who prefer the girl next door vibe (a smiley blue-eyed blonde), but she was a sexy bombshell at the same time, the kind of girl you do not expect to see next door, a lot like Pam Anderson. 

I agree. Shanna's an underrated beauty in Hollywood. Beautiful face, figure, and skin. I heard about her makeup line, but that's another I haven't tried just because I prefer buying makeup in person. She said she's super girly and loves makeup, so I hope her line does well. 🙂

I just realized all the well-known Playmates have been blondes. There have been so many beautiful brunettes! Besides the ones already brought up, Traci Adell, Sandra Nilsson, and Stacy Sanches (blonde now) were all gorgeous! Kassie Logsdon also had a delicate beauty, and Jaclyn Swedberg was super cute. I would have expected all these girls to become bigger models with their looks. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by RealHousewife

[Scout Finch]

I've read all of Holly and Kendra's books even though I couldn't stand Kendra on GND. However, after watching her on Marriage Boot Camp and Kendra on Top, I'm on her side just because of the horror of a mother she has. Her dad is so nice and supportive and doesn't appear to have ever sold stories about her. Did Patti's book ever come out? That's how the last season of Kendra on Top ended.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Scout Finch
Answer to my question is, "Nope."

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Scout Finch said:

I've read all of Holly and Kendra's books even though I couldn't stand Kendra on GND. However, after watching her on Marriage Boot Camp and Kendra on Top, I'm on her side just because of the horror of a mother she has. Her dad is so nice and supportive and doesn't appear to have ever sold stories about her or written a book. Did Patty's book ever come out? That's how the last season of Kendra on Top ended.

I definitely feel for Kendra regarding her family. On one hand, Patti is the one who was there for her as a little girl when she needed a parent the most. Her father was God knows where. He does seem like a kind, laid-back person and great that he's there now, but then things go sour with her mom. There hasn't been one parent who she could consistently rely on to have her back. 

I don't think a book ever came out. Some of the drama may have been played up by all of them for the show, but Patti has spoken negatively about her daughter on social media too. Very sad. 

[LemonSoda]

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I don't blame them. Some women like Pam and Carmen Electra pose for the mag and their whole career is being a glamour model and the sexy gal. With someone like Kelly, it was a very brief moment in her life. 

Joanna Krupa from RHOB said she was very grateful to Playboy for making her a better known model. Lisa Hochstein said she really glamorized Playboy when she was young, but now she regrets doing it and finds it cheesy. 

That's very true about Hef. He was described as kind of a big kid. People question if he was truly happy, not having ever grown old with anyone. He always insisted he was happy and wouldn't have it any other way. Men joke that of course he'd be happy. As a woman, I don't know. When I'm in my 80's, I don't think I'd want some hot 20-something man with me my last years because I am wealthy and live in a mansion. He did live quite a life though, so I can see why he felt grateful and wanted to be positive. Some people never love anyone, never have kids, never achieve the success he had, never traveled like he did, met all kinds of people, etc. 

A lot of the well-known women who've done Playboy-Brande, Jenny, Pam, Carmen, they all seem very sweet.

I also like costumes and nice set designs! Interesting about the writing and that one Bunny felt bad for how well she was paid. I'd imagine a job like that would be quite hard to resist for a lot of women. If you are lucky enough to have the coveted looks and youth for the job, are comfortable with the costume and the hard work entailed, and could use the good pay for it, it's hard to imagine not wanting to be a Bunny. 

Yeah I've wondered if Holly either doesn't want to say things that would bring shame to her family, or if someone outside of her immediate family abused her and it was too painful for her to talk about. Maybe none of it, but I've wondered. Maybe she just didn't feel loved by her parents. It's not the most dramatic story to some people, but it would explain her feeling damaged and not wanting to go back home and opting to go to the Playboy Mansion instead. 

I see. I didn't know that! I heard about the mansion but not Playboy itself. 

Dorothy is one of the prettiest women ever to me. So sad how her life was ended. Hef said she was the sweetest person he ever knew. 

Yeah, Holly described Heather as a hotter Marilyn Monroe. I totally see it. She had the looks that appealed both to those who prefer the girl next door vibe (a smiley blue-eyed blonde), but she was a sexy bombshell at the same time, the kind of girl you do not expect to see next door, a lot like Pam Anderson. 

I agree. Shanna's an underrated beauty in Hollywood. Beautiful face, figure, and skin. I heard about her makeup line, but that's another I haven't tried just because I prefer buying makeup in person. She said she's super girly and loves makeup, so I hope her line does well. 🙂

I just realized all the well-known Playmates have been blondes. There have been so many beautiful brunettes! Besides the ones already brought up, Traci Adell, Sandra Nilsson, and Stacy Sanches (blonde now) were all gorgeous! Kassie Logsdon also had a delicate beauty, and Jaclyn Swedberg was super cute. I would have expected all these girls to become bigger models with their looks. 

After reading about Hef's Manly Night group, I can't help but wonder if there was a SATC type situation after having his heart broken so many times. Maybe those guys were his real loves? Some had been around over fifty years. Maybe those relationships were fulfilling while the twenty something blondes were icing to keep   up that image he never wanted to let go of. I think society might've said ah that's life! If he had ever said I'm in my 80's! I'm done! Who knows? The guy was a psychology major. 

Yeah, The Playboy Club plot lines were awful. They could've just used real life storylines. 

Totally! It's not a lack of love type thing but Holly continually sort of references she doesn't feel she can confide or lean on her parents. It's weird. And sad. 

Hef didn't have half the power or cash everyone assumed he did. 

Absolutely! I could talk about Dorothy all day. You know, I watched "They all laughed" recently and seeing her in that, I couldn't get over the fact she was 19 in it. 19! Even with the angelic face, its hard to believe I was watching a teenager. I know everyone says this about stars gone too soon but with the right guidance she could've been a big movie star. The camera loved her.

Of course I could say the same about Anna Nicole. If she hadn't have went off path, she was great with comedy. She glowed in The Hudsucker Proxy and The Naked Gun movie she did. Then the addiction started and the trashy movies argh 

Stacy Sanches had thee most beautiful curly hair! I was sad to see its blonde and straight now. 

5 hours ago, Scout Finch said:

I've read all of Holly and Kendra's books even though I couldn't stand Kendra on GND. However, after watching her on Marriage Boot Camp and Kendra on Top, I'm on her side just because of the horror of a mother she has. Her dad is so nice and supportive and doesn't appear to have ever sold stories about her. Did Patti's book ever come out? That's how the last season of Kendra on Top ended.

I wouldn't take any plotline on Kendra's show seriously. It's anything to keep her on air. I'm sorry she was a product of such unavailable parents. 

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

After reading about Hef's Manly Night group, I can't help but wonder if there was a SATC type situation after having his heart broken so many times. Maybe those guys were his real loves? Some had been around over fifty years. Maybe those relationships were fulfilling while the twenty something blondes were icing to keep   up that image he never wanted to let go of. I think society might've said ah that's life! If he had ever said I'm in my 80's! I'm done! Who knows? The guy was a psychology major. 

Yeah, The Playboy Club plot lines were awful. They could've just used real life storylines. 

Totally! It's not a lack of love type thing but Holly continually sort of references she doesn't feel she can confide or lean on her parents. It's weird. And sad. 

Hef didn't have half the power or cash everyone assumed he did. 

Absolutely! I could talk about Dorothy all day. You know, I watched "They all laughed" recently and seeing her in that, I couldn't get over the fact she was 19 in it. 19! Even with the angelic face, its hard to believe I was watching a teenager. I know everyone says this about stars gone too soon but with the right guidance she could've been a big movie star. The camera loved her.

Of course I could say the same about Anna Nicole. If she hadn't have went off path, she was great with comedy. She glowed in The Hudsucker Proxy and The Naked Gun movie she did. Then the addiction started and the trashy movies argh 

Stacy Sanches had thee most beautiful curly hair! I was sad to see its blonde and straight now. 

I wouldn't take any plotline on Kendra's show seriously. It's anything to keep her on air. I'm sorry she was a product of such unavailable parents. 

Sounds like you're on to something! I wonder about Mary too. Was she the one woman  he kept close for so many years? I definitely think people need love and human connection in order to be healthy. Having a lover to grow old with is wonderful, but I don't think living without one is the end of the world. Maybe my opinion will change when I'm older, but not everyone experiences that Notebook kind of love. Hef still had so much. It's true he may have thought, you know what, I've loved and lost and just want to have fun and never be heartbroken again. 

Maybe her parents were emotionally unavailable? I'm curious about her childhood.

I also saw something very special in Dorothy. She not only had that angelic beauty, she also had this gentle demeanor. I can't picture her doing some of the things other Playmates have done that embarrassed Hef. I think she had the star quality to be a Marilyn Monroe. She had that "it" factor.

Anna definitely had beauty. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a movie of hers now that you mention it. I must have assumed they were all trashy haha, so I'm not sure about the talent firsthand, but I'll take your word for it! I remember she could be quite funny in interviews. Some of the things she said and did though, I can't picture Dorothy doing. Dorothy had that whole beautiful and sexy yet innocent and fragile vibe that Marilyn had. 

Yeah she had that Rebecca Gayheart hair!

Me too, I hope she finds happiness. 

[LemonSoda]

28 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Sounds like you're on to something! I wonder about Mary too. Was she the one woman  he kept close for so many years? I definitely think people need love and human connection in order to be healthy. Having a lover to grow old with is wonderful, but I don't think living without one is the end of the world. Maybe my opinion will change when I'm older, but not everyone experiences that Notebook kind of love. Hef still had so much. It's true he may have thought, you know what, I've loved and lost and just want to have fun and never be heartbroken again. 

Maybe her parents were emotionally unavailable? I'm curious about her childhood.

I also saw something very special in Dorothy. She not only had that angelic beauty, she also had this gentle demeanor. I can't picture her doing some of the things other Playmates have done that embarrassed Hef. I think she had the star quality to be a Marilyn Monroe. She had that "it" factor.

Anna definitely had beauty. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a movie of hers now that you mention it. I must have assumed they were all trashy haha, so I'm not sure about the talent firsthand, but I'll take your word for it! I remember she could be quite funny in interviews. Some of the things she said and did though, I can't picture Dorothy doing. Dorothy had that whole beautiful and sexy yet innocent and fragile vibe that Marilyn had. 

Yeah she had that Rebecca Gayheart hair!

Me too, I hope she finds happiness. 

I finally listened to Bridget's podcast episode with Holly. It was cute. 

I believe Mary was the one woman closest to him. Before Mary, it was Bobbie Arnstein (suicide). Hef had his own emotional history that unfortunately explains a lot of his behavior. I remember a documentary years ago about people in their nineties. Many had outlived their spouses by thirty years or more. When questioned, their most rewarding relationships were not with spouses, children's, grandchildren but their live long friends. So maybe the man circle of friends were what provided him with the emotional and intellectual stimulation we all so badly need. 

I'm curious too! 

Dorothy definitely had that it factor! 

Shockingly, Anna's first movies were good. She glowed and did well with comedy. Next time you're bored look up the clips on YouTube of her in the Hudsucker Proxy and The Naked Gun 33 1/3.

I love that hair! I can't believe she straightened it. I've heard natural curls are high maintenance though. 

Me too! I'd like to see Kendra grow up. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, LemonSoda said:

I finally listened to Bridget's podcast episode with Holly. It was cute. 

I believe Mary was the one woman closest to him. Before Mary, it was Bobbie Arnstein (suicide). Hef had his own emotional history that unfortunately explains a lot of his behavior. I remember a documentary years ago about people in their nineties. Many had outlived their spouses by thirty years or more. When questioned, their most rewarding relationships were not with spouses, children's, grandchildren but their live long friends. So maybe the man circle of friends were what provided him with the emotional and intellectual stimulation we all so badly need. 

I'm curious too! 

Dorothy definitely had that it factor! 

Shockingly, Anna's first movies were good. She glowed and did well with comedy. Next time you're bored look up the clips on YouTube of her in the Hudsucker Proxy and The Naked Gun 33 1/3.

I love that hair! I can't believe she straightened it. I've heard natural curls are high maintenance though. 

Me too! I'd like to see Kendra grow up. 

I'll have to check the podcast out!

Losing someone you're so close to like that is definitely traumatic. 

Outliving your spouse by so many years must be so painful. That makes sense about the friends. I think you hit the nail on the head regarding Hef and why he was the way he was.

Most models/actresses start out with projects that may not be the most brag worthy and then as they progress in their careers move on to higher quality work. Do you know why the reverse happened with Anna?

Thanks for the tip! I enjoy comedy. For anyone who doesn't have the GND DVD's, there are probably still episodes of it on youtube as well.

I'm curious if Kendra wants to get married again and/or have more kids. Her children are so cute. 

[LemonSoda]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

I'll have to check the podcast out!

Losing someone you're so close to like that is definitely traumatic. 

Outliving your spouse by so many years must be so painful. That makes sense about the friends. I think you hit the nail on the head regarding Hef and why he was the way he was.

Most models/actresses start out with projects that may not be the most brag worthy and then as they progress in their careers move on to higher quality work. Do you know why the reverse happened with Anna?

Thanks for the tip! I enjoy comedy. For anyone who doesn't have the GND DVD's, there are probably still episodes of it on youtube as well.

I'm curious if Kendra wants to get married again and/or have more kids. Her children are so cute. 

I hate when autocorrect changes my words! 

Yes, for every woman with a Hef is the villain, poor me story, they never look at anything from his view and that he's just as, if not more damaged than they are. 

So much of Anna's career happened in reverse! She got campaigns like Guess? And Conair hair styling products that women in the modeling industry have to wait years for. She came out of the gate strong!

I'm not 100% sure but the trouble began with an accidental overdose at a hotel in '93. From there she seems to have begun spiraling. If you look up her interview with Jackie Collins you'll see a sweet faced Anna after her first weight loss success in the mid 90's. I liked it because Jackie was nice to her, many interviewers never were. 

I don't know about Kendra, I hope she heals and repairs herself first. 

[LoneHaranguer]

14 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Hef didn't have half the power or cash everyone assumed he did. 

Owning over 50% of the voting stock in a company, gives you the power, but that doesn't mean you can't be swayed by others. Acquiring porn companies may have been pitched as an easy way to get the production facilities to do the playmate videos they started with. It took a lot of years to drift into producing anything that can be classified as hardcore (barely - still very classy).

[RealHousewife]

9 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I hate when autocorrect changes my words! 

Yes, for every woman with a Hef is the villain, poor me story, they never look at anything from his view and that he's just as, if not more damaged than they are. 

So much of Anna's career happened in reverse! She got campaigns like Guess? And Conair hair styling products that women in the modeling industry have to wait years for. She came out of the gate strong!

I'm not 100% sure but the trouble began with an accidental overdose at a hotel in '93. From there she seems to have begun spiraling. If you look up her interview with Jackie Collins you'll see a sweet faced Anna after her first weight loss success in the mid 90's. I liked it because Jackie was nice to her, many interviewers never were. 

I don't know about Kendra, I hope she heals and repairs herself first. 

Yeah unfortunately some people see Hef as nothing more than a dirty old man. He definitely had his share of heartbreak. 

I loved Anna’s work for Guess! She did start her career at the top with those dream gigs.

It’s sad that people weren’t always nice to Anna. She had her issues, but I don’t think the girl ever meant anyone any harm. 

That reminds me, do any of you remember the episode the girls went to The View? They said everyone except for Meredith was rude to them. 

[LemonSoda]

39 minutes ago, LoneHaranguer said:

Owning over 50% of the voting stock in a company, gives you the power, but that doesn't mean you can't be swayed by others. Acquiring porn companies may have been pitched as an easy way to get the production facilities to do the playmate videos they started with. It took a lot of years to drift into producing anything that can be classified as hardcore (barely - still very classy).

IIRC, they began slowy shifting away from heir publishing base as ad revenue began to slump in the mid 90's so they started putting more resources in to tv, film, web based content where they own more instead of licensing. Some found it all sleazy even when they acquired Jenna Jameson's company but Christie kept the ship from sinking. I think Hef only really cared about being Hef, keeping the magazine going. I think because of Playboy's adult label it has kept him from receiving the accolades he deserves for being a skilled editor. A friend purchased one of the famous Brown books at auction a few years ago and it was fascinating to look at, read Hef's notes, how he wanted things. He had a real talent. 

7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Yeah unfortunately some people see Hef as nothing more than a dirty old man. He definitely had his share of heartbreak. 

I loved Anna’s work for Guess! She did start her career at the top with those dream gigs.

It’s sad that people weren’t always nice to Anna. She had her issues, but I don’t think the girl ever meant anyone any harm. 

That reminds me, do any of you remember the episode the girls went to The View? They said everyone except for Meredith was rude to them. 

It's sad

Aren't her Guess images amazing? Anna truly never understood why people were so cruel. I remember on her show when she was doing press and was like, That lady didn't like me! And I felt badly for her and thought how sad it was that an alleged professional person couldn't separate her work from her personal feelings toward someone. 

I do! Oh my! That really disgusted me on so many levels. All the unprofessionalism. Bridget has more media based education than anyone on that panel and they reduced her to a plastic bimbo. They didn't give them proper seating then teased them for sitting the way they did. Of course when you have Hugh Hefner on your show you're going to discuss sex but that early in the morning? Save it for Howard Stern. 

I'll probably get slammed for this but despite being a trailblazer for women in the industry, I've never felt Barbara Walters is a good interviewer. 

[dariafan]

Well now I’m gonna have to read Holly’s books!

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, LemonSoda said:

IIRC, they began slowy shifting away from heir publishing base as ad revenue began to slump in the mid 90's so they started putting more resources in to tv, film, web based content where they own more instead of licensing. Some found it all sleazy even when they acquired Jenna Jameson's company but Christie kept the ship from sinking. I think Hef only really cared about being Hef, keeping the magazine going. I think because of Playboy's adult label it has kept him from receiving the accolades he deserves for being a skilled editor. A friend purchased one of the famous Brown books at auction a few years ago and it was fascinating to look at, read Hef's notes, how he wanted things. He had a real talent. 

It's sad

Aren't her Guess images amazing? Anna truly never understood why people were so cruel. I remember on her show when she was doing press and was like, That lady didn't like me! And I felt badly for her and thought how sad it was that an alleged professional person couldn't separate her work from her personal feelings toward someone. 

I do! Oh my! That really disgusted me on so many levels. All the unprofessionalism. Bridget has more media based education than anyone on that panel and they reduced her to a plastic bimbo. They didn't give them proper seating then teased them for sitting the way they did. Of course when you have Hugh Hefner on your show you're going to discuss sex but that early in the morning? Save it for Howard Stern. 

I'll probably get slammed for this but despite being a trailblazer for women in the industry, I've never felt Barbara Walters is a good interviewer. 

Hef was definitely bright and hardworking. Whether you’re a fan of Playboy or not, his story is inspiring. 

They really were. Anna was absolutely beautiful. 

I know it’s terrible. You don’t need to be rude just because you don’t agree with how someone lives her life. I think when people saw Anna, they saw this tall, curvaceous sexy blonde who could be outrageous. But in a lot of ways she was like a little girl-there was still an innocence to her. She was sensitive, didn’t understand meanness nor was she equipped to handle it. 

LOL I remember the seating thing! The sad part is because of Bridget’s education, she was all excited to meet Barbara Walters. I wonder if Barbara would have been kinder if she knew Bridget in particular looked up to her. She may not have meant to be rude with “and you are?” I don’t remember who else was a host on The View at the time. It is wrong to invite people on your show and be so rude to your guests.

Holly said that about all the sex questions she’d get. She said if she wanted to get into those questions she’d go on Howard Stern, and that she hadn’t and people need to get a clue. Lol 

I have seen some good Barbara interviews, but the fact she can be rude rubs me the wrong way. I remember she asked if Mariah or Nick paid for her ring. Not a nice question. 

[LemonSoda]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

Hef was definitely bright and hardworking. Whether you’re a fan of Playboy or not, his story is inspiring. 

They really were. Anna was absolutely beautiful. 

I know it’s terrible. You don’t need to be rude just because you don’t agree with how someone lives her life. I think when people saw Anna, they saw this tall, curvaceous sexy blonde who could be outrageous. But in a lot of ways she was like a little girl-there was still an innocence to her. She was sensitive, didn’t understand meanness nor was she equipped to handle it. 

LOL I remember the seating thing! The sad part is because of Bridget’s education, she was all excited to meet Barbara Walters. I wonder if Barbara would have been kinder if she knew Bridget in particular looked up to her. She may not have meant to be rude with “and you are?” I don’t remember who else was a host on The View at the time. It is wrong to invite people on your show and be so rude to your guests.

Holly said that about all the sex questions she’d get. She said if she wanted to get into those questions she’d go on Howard Stern, and that she hadn’t and people need to get a clue. Lol 

I have seen some good Barbara interviews, but the fact she can be rude rubs me the wrong way. I remember she asked if Mariah or Nick paid for her ring. Not a nice question. 

Absolutely! I think that's something that gets ignored. A friend worked on a PBS series and certain people were horrified that Hef was going to be featured on their program because he's someone who made things happen for himself. It's not about Playboy or nudity or sex. It's about a man with a dream who created an empire. 

She was! I think that was really her biggest issue. She was ill equipped to handle many things. 

Honestly? No. I don't think Barbara would've been kinder if she knew. It's wrong of me to judge but going by so many other people's encounters with her, that's who she was. 

Yes, I think there's an appropriateness issue. There are serious shows and fluffy ones. Save the sex for Howard Stern and The Who paid for what for Wendy Williams, Extra, ET type shows. 

[dariafan]

On 7/29/2019 at 7:18 PM, LemonSoda said:

*wipes tear* I miss TWoP. No one except for the posters there agreed with me about Kendra's donkey bray! 

It doesn't! If anything we as society need to discuss finances more. Of course I  was killed on Twitter years ago when the Primates of Park Avenue came out and I tweeted I didn't see anything wrong with a wife receiving a percentage of her husband's yearly bonus.

She said she was hamming it up for the camera but her best meals come in reservations form lol The whole scenario was hilarious. I loved seeing all that BH extravagance.

I don't think she cared much about those things. She had a cute little red Mercedes convertible before the Porsche. If I remember correctly she was getting the car upgrade anyway and they turned it in to a storyline for the show. Me too! I know she wants to be a Mom so badly. I thought it was brave to tell her story especially at a time so many of us are freezing eggs for future insurance. All the focus is on freezing them. No one talks about what happens when they don't survive the thawing process. 

That may be the reason! That's what Holly was told when her show wasn't renewed which I found silly considering her show wasn't playboy. I know the GND with Crystal and the twins didn't do well at all and ratings tanked so the network probably thought oh this ship has sailed! Then E! Turned in to the Kardashian network ugh. 

Isnt she? Claire is adorable with a great personality so I never understood why playboy didn't promote her more. She has crossover appeal. Maybe it was due to the domestic violence situation? Either way they could've done more to promote her and in return promote the brand. 

I loved her eyes too! I hate how some of these girls are so gorgeous then they never do anything else! 

I too miss TWOP and people who read the tell some books that had already come out.  I also think Kendra brays like a donkey 

[RealHousewife]

21 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

Absolutely! I think that's something that gets ignored. A friend worked on a PBS series and certain people were horrified that Hef was going to be featured on their program because he's someone who made things happen for himself. It's not about Playboy or nudity or sex. It's about a man with a dream who created an empire. 

She was! I think that was really her biggest issue. She was ill equipped to handle many things. 

Honestly? No. I don't think Barbara would've been kinder if she knew. It's wrong of me to judge but going by so many other people's encounters with her, that's who she was. 

Yes, I think there's an appropriateness issue. There are serious shows and fluffy ones. Save the sex for Howard Stern and The Who paid for what for Wendy Williams, Extra, ET type shows. 

I’m always impressed by people who have humble backgrounds and achieve so much.

Yeah, very sad. I hope her beautiful daughter has a happy life despite the sad way it started. Larry seems to adore her. 

I wish I could see the footage of that interview! There are old View interviews on YouTube, but I’ve never seen that one. I remember one of them made a comment about all of them having fake breasts, and that offended Bridget. 

Exactly! The View is supposed to be a class above some of those other shows. 

[LemonSoda]

On 8/5/2019 at 2:59 PM, RealHousewife said:

I’m always impressed by people who have humble backgrounds and achieve so much.

Yeah, very sad. I hope her beautiful daughter has a happy life despite the sad way it started. Larry seems to adore her. 

I wish I could see the footage of that interview! There are old View interviews on YouTube, but I’ve never seen that one. I remember one of them made a comment about all of them having fake breasts, and that offended Bridget. 

Exactly! The View is supposed to be a class above some of those other shows. 

Me too!

Again, me too. I saw him on wife swap I think it was? He seemed to live a very normal life which is what she needs. 

Its not online anymore? I'll see if it's still floating around out there. I remember it being uncomfortable to watch. 

Key word is supposed lol They're not a very nice show. I've noticed that with a lot of guests. 

[RealHousewife]

I just remembered Kendra had no idea who Barbara Walters was! That surprised me. 

[LemonSoda]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

I just remembered Kendra had no idea who Barbara Walters was! That surprised me. 

I wasn't because she didn't seem the type to watch or even care about the news. That's not an insult but an observation of her interests. 

[TrixieTrue]

 In the last two seasons (with the original girls), I thought their comments toward and about one another were more sincere. On the trip to Alaska, Holly saying Kendra was brave for getting back on the little float place, or Kendra saying she admired Holly for doing the scuba certification even though she just learned to swim. When Bridget was getting her hair done in her last episode, her hairdresser Laurent (wonder if any of them still go to him?) said that both Holly and Kendra were happy for her. It seemed like they had come to a good place in their relationships with each other. But then Kendra said so many terrible things about Holly when her book came out. (Despite writing her own book first. I mean, come on). Holly and Bridget are still friends, but Kendra really separated herself from them. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, TrixieTrue said:

 In the last two seasons (with the original girls), I thought their comments toward and about one another were more sincere. On the trip to Alaska, Holly saying Kendra was brave for getting back on the little float place, or Kendra saying she admired Holly for doing the scuba certification even though she just learned to swim. When Bridget was getting her hair done in her last episode, her hairdresser Laurent (wonder if any of them still go to him?) said that both Holly and Kendra were happy for her. It seemed like they had come to a good place in their relationships with each other. But then Kendra said so many terrible things about Holly when her book came out. (Despite writing her own book first. I mean, come on). Holly and Bridget are still friends, but Kendra really separated herself from them. 

You’re right that there were definitely multiple instances the girls said kind things to/about one another that seemed sincere.

When I watched the show, I thought Holly was the one who got most annoyed, and by Kendra specifically. But then later on, my impression was that Kendra’s feelings toward Holly were much more negative. 

It seemed like Kendra didn’t want to be a friend of either Bridget or Holly. 

These girls were older than her, especially Bridget. But honestly you’d expect her to appreciate how kind they were despite the age gap and how immature she was at the mansion. A 30-something hardworking woman like Bridget made a point to treat Kendra as a peer. Not everyone would have. She was really sweet to her when it was her birthday and treated her like a good girlfriend, not a pest barely out of high school.

Bridget and Holly were also more girly girl and dreamed of being Playmates. Kendra was a tomboy in a busty blonde’s body. She was very physical and fancied herself an athlete, had gotten into some trouble in her teens, had a foul mouth and didn’t care about manners or being ladylike in any way. If you take away the whole Playboy/girlfriend situation, Holly and Bridget are pretty straight-laced. They are polite and respectful, not into hard partying, and have different interests from Kendra. I can’t see Kendra getting into gift wrapping things so beautifully like Bridget, or having fun baking with a group of girls, or having any interest in creative work for Playboy like Holly. She’d probably prefer the company of a group of men watching a game and drinking beer.

I think as much as it may have annoyed them that this new girl came in and got everything she wanted, Kendra didn’t like being grouped with females she found prissy, desperate to be Playmate, or out to marry Hef and have his baby. I think she wanted to make it clear she wasn’t like that. And in a lot of ways, she truly was different from a lot of the women Hef dated. 

I like that Holly and Bridget remained friends. It’s sad Kendra never considered either of them a friend. I really think it hurt their feelings because they felt they all had a special bond. To Kendra, they were just girls she happened to share a boyfriend with, but she is free to choose who she wants to have in her life. 

Edited August 7, 2019 by RealHousewife

[LemonSoda]

3 hours ago, TrixieTrue said:

 In the last two seasons (with the original girls), I thought their comments toward and about one another were more sincere. On the trip to Alaska, Holly saying Kendra was brave for getting back on the little float place, or Kendra saying she admired Holly for doing the scuba certification even though she just learned to swim. When Bridget was getting her hair done in her last episode, her hairdresser Laurent (wonder if any of them still go to him?) said that both Holly and Kendra were happy for her. It seemed like they had come to a good place in their relationships with each other. But then Kendra said so many terrible things about Holly when her book came out. (Despite writing her own book first. I mean, come on). Holly and Bridget are still friends, but Kendra really separated herself from them. 

I'd love an appointment with Laurent! Actually I'd love an appointment with a real celebrity hairdresser who will do my hair himself. Twice I've been disappointed. 

I think towards the end they all knew, even Kendra but maybe not at the depth that Holly and Bridget did that this was such a unique shared experience no one else could ever understand. There's so much focus on drama that it seems most of the time they all ignore they not only had a blast but many great moments together. 

I also think this is why Kendra bugs me so much to behave the way she has toward them when they had so many genuine moments. Bridget stepped up for her big time when no one else did, throwing and organizing a shower that Kendra's real friends couldn't even be bothered with. I've noticed she doesn't have much of a friend circle and perhaps her me me me behavior and constantly acting out because she lacks the proper coping mechanisms has kept her from developing those deep friendships we all need in life.

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

You’re right that there were definitely multiple instances the girls said kind things to/about one another that seemed sincere.

When I watched the show, I thought Holly was the one who got most annoyed, and by Kendra specifically. But then later on, my impression was that Kendra’s feelings toward Holly were much more negative. 

It seemed like Kendra didn’t want to be a friend of either Bridget or Holly. 

These girls were older than her, especially Bridget. But honestly you’d expect her to appreciate how kind they were despite the age gap and how immature she was at the mansion. A 30-something hardworking woman like Bridget made a point to treat Kendra as a peer. Not everyone would have. She was really sweet to her when it was her birthday and treated her like a good girlfriend, not a pest barely out of high school.

Bridget and Holly were also more girly girl and dreamed of being Playmates. Kendra was a tomboy in a busty blonde’s body. She was very physical and fancied herself an athlete, had gotten into some trouble in her teens, had a foul mouth and didn’t care about manners or being ladylike in any way. If you take away the whole Playboy/girlfriend situation, Holly and Bridget are pretty straight-laced. They are polite and respectful, not into hard partying, and have different interests from Kendra. I can’t see Kendra getting into gift wrapping things so beautifully like Bridget, or having fun baking with a group of girls, or having any interest in creative work for Playboy like Holly. She’d probably prefer the company of a group of men watching a game and drinking beer.

I think as much as it may have annoyed them that this new girl came in and got everything she wanted, Kendra didn’t like being grouped with females she found prissy, desperate to be Playmate, or out to marry Hef and have his baby. I think she wanted to make it clear she wasn’t like that. And in a lot of ways, she truly was different from a lot of the women Hef dated. 

I like that Holly and Bridget remained friends. It’s sad Kendra never considered either of them a friend. I really think it hurt their feelings because they felt they all had a special bond. To Kendra, they were just girls she happened to share a boyfriend with, but she is free to choose who she wants to have in her life. 

Holly wrote in her first book something along the lines of how different she'd be if she had Bridget in her life earlier and I think that says a lot. 

Kendra lacked and still seems to lack certain social skills and tended to act out a lot, much of it was excusable due to her age but now? No. 

Its confusing because Bridget and Kendra did a cute magazine interview together post Mansion, Bridget visited a few times after baby Hank was born with gifts and without cameras. 

I think they tried but Kendra had no interest, manners and other issues that kept her from connecting which is seriously her loss. 

[RealHousewife]

17 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I'd love an appointment with Laurent! Actually I'd love an appointment with a real celebrity hairdresser who will do my hair himself. Twice I've been disappointed. 

I think towards the end they all knew, even Kendra but maybe not at the depth that Holly and Bridget did that this was such a unique shared experience no one else could ever understand. There's so much focus on drama that it seems most of the time they all ignore they not only had a blast but many great moments together. 

I also think this is why Kendra bugs me so much to behave the way she has toward them when they had so many genuine moments. Bridget stepped up for her big time when no one else did, throwing and organizing a shower that Kendra's real friends couldn't even be bothered with. I've noticed she doesn't have much of a friend circle and perhaps her me me me behavior and constantly acting out because she lacks the proper coping mechanisms has kept her from developing those deep friendships we all need in life.

Holly wrote in her first book something along the lines of how different she'd be if she had Bridget in her life earlier and I think that says a lot. 

Kendra lacked and still seems to lack certain social skills and tended to act out a lot, much of it was excusable due to her age but now? No. 

Its confusing because Bridget and Kendra did a cute magazine interview together post Mansion, Bridget visited a few times after baby Hank was born with gifts and without cameras. 

I think they tried but Kendra had no interest, manners and other issues that kept her from connecting which is seriously her loss. 

It would be so cool to get your hair done by him! 

Definitely. Filming the show, all the parties, trips (seeing Europe for the first time), and events they all did together. You would think Kendra would be more emotionally attached to Bridget and Holly. None of her other friends had that same experience. They all had to fight judgment together too, even during things like The View. 

Exactly! Bridget has indeed shown her kindness over and over. The fact she gets along so well with her family and even most of the other girls shows how genuine she is. She’s the kind of girl you can go confide in, know she’ll keep your secrets, and she’ll help cheer you up and give you the best advice she has. Holly said she was the only girlfriend she confided in at the mansion.

I remember Kendra had a very close friend on her show, but her name escapes me right now. I think she was also friends with the very beautiful Tiffany Fallon, but I don’t know if they were close.   

With Kendra being in her 30’s, having gotten married and divorced and being a mom of two, I would expect her to have grown up a lot from when she was in her late teens/early 20’s at the mansion. 

Maybe Kendra is the type who decides she doesn’t like someone and that’s just it? Maybe she’s holding on to grudges-the girls being unhappy about her getting that bedroom or whatever. I think having a friend like Bridget or even Holly would be a blessing. They both seem like good people in addition to having gone through the unique experience they had. 

I agree, it is her loss. And least that’s my impression as a fan of the show. 🙂

[LemonSoda]

34 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Maybe Kendra is the type who decides she doesn’t like someone and that’s just it? Maybe she’s holding on to grudges-the girls being unhappy about her getting that bedroom or whatever. I think having a friend like Bridget or even Holly would be a blessing. They both seem like good people in addition to having gone through the unique experience they had. 

I agree, it is her loss. And least that’s my impression as a fan of the show. 🙂

I once waited six months for an appointment with a New York hair dresser famous for doing buttery and icy blondes. It cost $500 just to secure the appointment. I was so excited! When the day came, he didn't even introduce himself, he scribbled something to his assistant, then she and another hairdresser did all of the work. I was charged for the appointment with him and he did nothing. It was awful! 

I don't think Kendra lets anyone in. You know? She lacks the vulnerability that requires. It could be a defense mechanism. 

She might think it's weak or takes something away from her to admit Hey, I had a lot of fun with you guys! 

[RealHousewife]

8 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I once waited six months for an appointment with a New York hair dresser famous for doing buttery and icy blondes. It cost $500 just to secure the appointment. I was so excited! When the day came, he didn't even introduce himself, he scribbled something to his assistant, then she and another hairdresser did all of the work. I was charged for the appointment with him and he did nothing. It was awful! 

I don't think Kendra lets anyone in. You know? She lacks the vulnerability that requires. It could be a defense mechanism. 

She might think it's weak or takes something away from her to admit Hey, I had a lot of fun with you guys! 

Oh no, I’m sorry! That is ridiculous. 

I remember she said she had a difficult time being loving with Hank too. She said they immediately start messing around. There was never any cuddling, sweetness, none of that affection. It takes a certain vulnerability to be soft with people. It may be how Kendra grew up. I relate to it do a degree. Kind of reminds me of Erika Jayne! Lol 

Exactly. I don’t think there’s anything weak with saying she had a lot of fun or saw good in the girls.

[LemonSoda]

38 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Oh no, I’m sorry! That is ridiculous. 

I remember she said she had a difficult time being loving with Hank too. She said they immediately start messing around. There was never any cuddling, sweetness, none of that affection. It takes a certain vulnerability to be soft with people. It may be how Kendra grew up. I relate to it do a degree. Kind of reminds me of Erika Jayne! Lol 

Exactly. I don’t think there’s anything weak with saying she had a lot of fun or saw good in the girls.

It was! 

Yeah, I think she lacks that vulnerability which holds her back so much. 

I love Erika. But I don't love the Erika act if that makes sense. When she's being herself and not putting up airs she's enjoyable. 

Kendra can't seem to complement or admit good things because it takes away from her poor me narrative for attention. We all have to grow up. We can't be beating our spouses or screeching at people for things that happened when we were thirteen. We have to help repair ourselves any way we can. She has resources many of us never will. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, LemonSoda said:

It was! 

Yeah, I think she lacks that vulnerability which holds her back so much. 

I love Erika. But I don't love the Erika act if that makes sense. When she's being herself and not putting up airs she's enjoyable. 

Kendra can't seem to complement or admit good things because it takes away from her poor me narrative for attention. We all have to grow up. We can't be beating our spouses or screeching at people for things that happened when we were thirteen. We have to help repair ourselves any way we can. She has resources many of us never will. 

Totally agree. I think that’s another difference between her and the other girls. Bridget has said she’s always been a happy person. Holly’s battled depression, but she also tries to be positive. When she was doing Peep Show, she said she had the most fun life ever. 

[LemonSoda]

Rewatching the Europe trip episodes. I'm still bummed about all the footage they never used. Kendra looks like she's having a blast with Bridget walking around Spain holding their drinks lol 

[RealHousewife]

They were so fun to watch together. If Kendra didn’t say such ugly things about Holly, it would have been nice to see the girls have a reunion show. 

Kendra and Holly both have adorable children. I don’t know what either of them is up to now otherwise. We could get an update on Bridget’s journey with Nick and wanting a family. We could find out if they miss anything about the times they had together, who they’re still in contact with from the mansion. Holly now feels negatively about Playboy. Kendra does not. I wonder how Bridget feels. Did being Hef’s girlfriend or posing for Playboy hinder her as far as jobs, or does she look back at that time with no regrets? Do they like to have regular movie nights, go out to party, or have any habits at all that they got during the GND era? I know Bridget said Nick made her get rid of a lot of her girly stuff. Lol I’m even curious about little things like that. I saw she had this absolutely gorgeous closet in a magazine awhile back. I’m curious if her bedroom is at all feminine. 

[LemonSoda]

On 8/8/2019 at 3:43 PM, RealHousewife said:

They were so fun to watch together. If Kendra didn’t say such ugly things about Holly, it would have been nice to see the girls have a reunion show. 

Kendra and Holly both have adorable children. I don’t know what either of them is up to now otherwise. We could get an update on Bridget’s journey with Nick and wanting a family. We could find out if they miss anything about the times they had together, who they’re still in contact with from the mansion. Holly now feels negatively about Playboy. Kendra does not. I wonder how Bridget feels. Did being Hef’s girlfriend or posing for Playboy hinder her as far as jobs, or does she look back at that time with no regrets? Do they like to have regular movie nights, go out to party, or have any habits at all that they got during the GND era? I know Bridget said Nick made her get rid of a lot of her girly stuff. Lol I’m even curious about little things like that. I saw she had this absolutely gorgeous closet in a magazine awhile back. I’m curious if her bedroom is at all feminine. 

Wouldn't it have been great? 

Holly is alone a lot. 

Bridget, from listening to all of her podcasts this week and from what I see on Twitter she seems proud of her Playboy association.

I know I've mentioned it too many times already but I'm still surprised she hasn't had more than Bridget's Sexiest Beaches. The Travel Channel could've have several fun themed shows with her that would have brought in a different demographic. In some ways I can't blame Nick. No man wants to live in a Pink Palace except for Jayne Mansfield's husband lol Also they downsized from a big house to a condo and there wasn't room for all the pink fluffy furniture and toy kitchen. But if you watch her YouTube videos, she kept a lot of girly fun and furniture things. She did videos in her bedroom you can see. She still has a lot of feminine decor but not to the level it used to be. 

[RealHousewife]

18 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Wouldn't it have been great? 

Holly is alone a lot. 

Bridget, from listening to all of her podcasts this week and from what I see on Twitter she seems proud of her Playboy association.

I know I've mentioned it too many times already but I'm still surprised she hasn't had more than Bridget's Sexiest Beaches. The Travel Channel could've have several fun themed shows with her that would have brought in a different demographic. In some ways I can't blame Nick. No man wants to live in a Pink Palace except for Jayne Mansfield's husband lol Also they downsized from a big house to a condo and there wasn't room for all the pink fluffy furniture and toy kitchen. But if you watch her YouTube videos, she kept a lot of girly fun and furniture things. She did videos in her bedroom you can see. She still has a lot of feminine decor but not to the level it used to be. 

I would have loved it!

Aw I hope her life isn’t as lonely as it seems! Hopefully the new boyfriend is a good dude. 

Good for Bridget! She is such a positive person. I do wish she’d get more opportunities in the field she studied. 

Lol! Jayne Mansfield was definitely another pink lover. Ken Todd seems perfectly fine with all the soft pink and feminine touches his wife loves. Her taste is more subdued than Bridget’s though. 

[LemonSoda]

On 8/10/2019 at 5:08 PM, RealHousewife said:

I would have loved it!

Aw I hope her life isn’t as lonely as it seems! Hopefully the new boyfriend is a good dude. 

Good for Bridget! She is such a positive person. I do wish she’d get more opportunities in the field she studied. 

Lol! Jayne Mansfield was definitely another pink lover. Ken Todd seems perfectly fine with all the soft pink and feminine touches his wife loves. Her taste is more subdued than Bridget’s though. 

Me too!

I find it weird that her new dog is named Ghost and her boyfriend is a ghost hunter. When she was with Hef she was naming dogs after his favorite actors. With Benji she was more punk. It's like Holly, you can do better! The new boyfriend also dated Shanna Moakler for over a year once so he definitely has a type. 

Me too! I hope the podcast gets more listeners and leads to other opportunities. 

Wasn't Jayne's house crazy? I love Lisa Vanderpump's weird style fusions. 

Bridget's was pink overload but adorable 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, LemonSoda said:

Me too!

I find it weird that her new dog is named Ghost and her boyfriend is a ghost hunter. When she was with Hef she was naming dogs after his favorite actors. With Benji she was more punk. It's like Holly, you can do better! The new boyfriend also dated Shanna Moakler for over a year once so he definitely has a type. 

Me too! I hope the podcast gets more listeners and leads to other opportunities. 

Wasn't Jayne's house crazy? I love Lisa Vanderpump's weird style fusions. 

Bridget's was pink overload but adorable 

I've noticed Holly kind of seems to go after men who have a type (Hef, Criss Angel). 

Bridget said she wanted her bedroom to be cheerful, and it was! I love her campy style. It was very fitting for the mansion. 

I love Lisa's house too. It's feminine but elegant at the same time. My fave style overall is Holly's. Her house is like a fun wonderland, has elegance but still looks cozy. 

[LemonSoda]

4 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I've noticed Holly kind of seems to go after men who have a type (Hef, Criss Angel). 

Bridget said she wanted her bedroom to be cheerful, and it was! I love her campy style. It was very fitting for the mansion. 

I love Lisa's house too. It's feminine but elegant at the same time. My fave style overall is Holly's. Her house is like a fun wonderland, has elegance but still looks cozy. 

Absolutely!

I love camp. I know it's tacky to many but I love bright, happy colors.

Me too! Lisa's most recent kitchen renovation was lovely. 

Do you mean the Vegas house? 

[RealHousewife]

12 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Absolutely!

I love camp. I know it's tacky to many but I love bright, happy colors.

Me too! Lisa's most recent kitchen renovation was lovely. 

Do you mean the Vegas house? 

Yes! I like Holly’s taste in general-everything from her Vegas house to her fashion, hair, and makeup. I think she’s an underrated style icon!

[LemonSoda]

10 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Yes! I like Holly’s taste in general-everything from her Vegas house to her fashion, hair, and makeup. I think she’s an underrated style icon!

I loooove that house! The scalloping on the cabinets, the library shelves and The to die for closet. I loved her other homes too but the family home in Vegas is a dream!

I do too! I know I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I love the way she wore certain things, the way she assembles outfits even casual ones. She even made the Taco Bell Forever 21 clothing look better than the actual models did. 

[RealHousewife]

21 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I loooove that house! The scalloping on the cabinets, the library shelves and The to die for closet. I loved her other homes too but the family home in Vegas is a dream!

I do too! I know I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I love the way she wore certain things, the way she assembles outfits even casual ones. She even made the Taco Bell Forever 21 clothing look better than the actual models did. 

It really is a dream!

Yes, Holly even makes Hot Topic look hot, no pun intended. 

[TrixieTrue]

I wonder if Kendra can't see the middle ground between her life before the mansion, which was probably filled with financial instability, and her life at the mansion, with people to take care of her every whim and where, quite frankly, she was paid for doing very little. She doesn't see the middle ground in between them and hasn't figured out how to truly take care of herself. It's one reality show after another. 

[RealHousewife]

On 8/15/2019 at 12:50 PM, TrixieTrue said:

I wonder if Kendra can't see the middle ground between her life before the mansion, which was probably filled with financial instability, and her life at the mansion, with people to take care of her every whim and where, quite frankly, she was paid for doing very little. She doesn't see the middle ground in between them and hasn't figured out how to truly take care of herself. It's one reality show after another. 

Yeah she can’t seem to live a normal life. I wonder what she would be like if she never met Hef and wound up on reality TV so young. 

[LemonSoda]

On 8/15/2019 at 1:50 PM, TrixieTrue said:

I wonder if Kendra can't see the middle ground between her life before the mansion, which was probably filled with financial instability, and her life at the mansion, with people to take care of her every whim and where, quite frankly, she was paid for doing very little. She doesn't see the middle ground in between them and hasn't figured out how to truly take care of herself. It's one reality show after another. 

That's why I can't with Kendra. Her antics and behavior was excusable at 19. But instead of taking all these resources to build something, a comfortable self supporting life for herself it's one tabloid drama, reality show, lashing out to another. I know why she's a mess but a time comes when you have to take responsibility for yourself and heal. She's made no effort toward anything except staying on tv. 

On 8/19/2019 at 5:22 PM, RealHousewife said:

Yeah she can’t seem to live a normal life. I wonder what she would be like if she never met Hef and wound up on reality TV so young. 

Sadly probably the same she was doing before. Using, stripping, looking for solace in one loser after another. 

[RealHousewife]

I did really like Hank. I thought he was a hottie and seemed really devoted to her. I was honestly surprised he took to Kendra. Kendra was a very cute blonde, and I could see her making him laugh. But initially Hank seemed out of Kendra's league to me. He was this handsome athlete, came from a good family, and didn't have Kendra's foul mouth and such. He came across as a much more wholesome person than her. Then there was the scandal where who knows what happened...

I wonder if Kendra will remarry. 

I think Holly will get remarried and have more kids.

[LemonSoda]

10 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I did really like Hank. I thought he was a hottie and seemed really devoted to her. I was honestly surprised he took to Kendra. Kendra was a very cute blonde, and I could see her making him laugh. But initially Hank seemed out of Kendra's league to me. He was this handsome athlete, came from a good family, and didn't have Kendra's foul mouth and such. He came across as a much more wholesome person than her. Then there was the scandal where who knows what happened...

I wonder if Kendra will remarry. 

I think Holly will get remarried and have more kids.

Yeah, I know it's not polite to even go there but their relationship was baffling on many different levels. I remember his image took a big hit after being associated with her. His career seemed to start going downhill. He had a hot moment, most notably mentioned in Silver Linings Playbook.

I remember thinking, Is Kendra different without cameras? Could she keep up a conversation? Is this a case of nerdy jock gets the attention of a hot blonde and falls hard? They got engaged, married and had a baby fast. There had to be a bit of a weird hangover after everything happening so fast. Sometimes you fall hard and realize, Who is this person? 

I can see her remarrying. Especially if the guy can provide. I don't intent that to sound gold diggerish. With Kendra's unresolved issues and severe insecurities she needs that taken care of lifestyle. 

I'm selfish so I'd like Holly to perform again and make one of her next books a beauty book. She even slays the no makeup makeup look. But I have a weird feeling she's still repeating old patterns based on what she's shown us lately. 

I'd like her to get back to being herself for herself and meet a nice guy! 

[RealHousewife]

4 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Yeah, I know it's not polite to even go there but their relationship was baffling on many different levels. I remember his image took a big hit after being associated with her. His career seemed to start going downhill. He had a hot moment, most notably mentioned in Silver Linings Playbook.

I remember thinking, Is Kendra different without cameras? Could she keep up a conversation? Is this a case of nerdy jock gets the attention of a hot blonde and falls hard? They got engaged, married and had a baby fast. There had to be a bit of a weird hangover after everything happening so fast. Sometimes you fall hard and realize, Who is this person? 

I can see her remarrying. Especially if the guy can provide. I don't intent that to sound gold diggerish. With Kendra's unresolved issues and severe insecurities she needs that taken care of lifestyle. 

I'm selfish so I'd like Holly to perform again and make one of her next books a beauty book. She even slays the no makeup makeup look. But I have a weird feeling she's still repeating old patterns based on what she's shown us lately. 

I'd like her to get back to being herself for herself and meet a nice guy! 

With Kendra and Hank, it almost seemed like a case of opposites attract.

I get what you mean. Honestly, I liked all the girls. Even with Kendra’s foul mouth, I don’t think she’s a bad person. I hope she does find love and security.

Haha I don’t blame you! I’m sure Holly must love that she has fans who wish she’d perform again or do another book. She always seemed appreciate of fans imo. I missed Peep Show, but I’d love to see her perform and am sure she’s great. And yeah I think Holly kills all things beauty and style related. I’d love a book, a beauty blog, YouTube channel, anything from her. 

I also hope she finds a nice guy. I know she enjoys a certain lifestyle, but it’s not worth it if the guy’s not genuinely loving. I think a nice, age appropriate doctor or something like that would be better than someone way older or who may be involved in get rich quick schemes. 

Bridget definitely got herself some nice arm candy! Good for her. I’m curious what her ex husband was like.