Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[GHScorpiosRule]

I just finished watching the first season and it was BLOODY FANTASTIC. Of course René wrote 95% of the episodes.

But Bobby Goren was such a great character and Jamey Sheridan demonstrated, in so many ways the confidence he had in both Bobby and Alex, while still demanding proof for why certain suspects should or shouldn’t be arrested, when he though it should be someone else. I loved how Bobby had all these buddies and sources and the partnership with Alex.

Alex also looked so good. Not sure when she or make up people decided to stop with great hairstyles of the first three seasons and just let it go into the long shag. Which wasn’t bad, but I loved her first season hair and make up more.

And aside from Nora (just STFU with her line to Carver whether she can trust him in the pilot), we got cameos from Ed, Lennie, and Van Buren. We would get Foghorn later, but first season, we got shout outs of Jack!

And while we only got two full trials of the killers, we did get a good number of arraignments, plea discussions, and Carver’s involvement in a good number of investigations. He just didn’t have an assistant like Jack did.

On to season two now, but watching the first season, just gives me rage blackout over how this show fucked over not just Bobby, but Mike when he joined Major Case.

Edited February 13, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[WendyCR72]

I said this before - and @wknt3 and I talked a bit about this theory - but I still do wonder now if Rene Balcer wanted to leave or NBC, in its desire to make the series more "exciting" with the changes that came in S6 with the more "in your face" plots like Eames being kidnapped, etc., sort of alienated Balcer to the point where he basically said, "Peace out" and that is why Warren Leight took the reins.

But Leight was a producer since around S3, I believe, so maybe it was always the plan for Leight to take over from Balcer at some point.

Balcer obviously still had some sentimentality for it, apparently, since it was said he appeared in the original S10 ending scene (of which pieces of such are still seen on some videos on YT - wish the "other ending" was made bonus material, if just to see Balcer in his cameo/see the original ending at all...)

[peacheslatour]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I said this before - and @wknt3 and I talked a bit about this theory - but I still do wonder now if Rene Balcer wanted to leave or NBC, in its desire to make the series more "exciting" with the changes that came in S6 with the more "in your face" plots like Eames being kidnapped, etc., sort of alienated Balcer to the point where he basically said, "Peace out" and that is why Warren Leight took the reins.

But Leight was a producer since around S3, I believe, so maybe it was always the plan for Leight to take over from Balcer at some point.

Balcer obviously still had some sentimentality for it, apparently, since it was said he appeared in the original S10 ending scene (of which pieces of such are still seen on some videos on YT - wish the "other ending" was made bonus material, if just to see Balcer in his cameo/see the original ending at all...)

Lol, your avatar drives me crazy. I keep waiting for the "Whew".

[GHScorpiosRule]

How’d I miss that Michael Chernuchin joined the writing cast as well as producer credit in season two? Well technically, executive producer, though I don’t know the difference between that and regular producer, which is what Leight was in season two. I’m assuming he put in 💴?

”Shandeh” is one of my favorites. Amazing that Ned Eisenberg, who has always played a sleazy, arrogant asshole of a defense attorney on the mothership, and even some insider in season 7, could play such a mealy-mouthed, wussy MAMA’s boy.

I’m not happy with the planting of seeds into Bobby’s family because I know what this show will do to him because of that. Had they left it alone, like the tidbits we got for the characters on the mothership, it would have been okay.

”Badge” from season one is in the top five. 

But I love that René Balcer writes or co-writes most of the episodes. The man is a creative genius. He’s like the tv version of my favorite author, Nora Roberts.

On a purely shallow note, did D’Onofrio get his front teeth capped? I swear that in season one, one of them was chipped and crooked. Not that I’m snarking-my front tooth got chipped and I got my dentist to fix it so I didn’t look like a weird vampire!😆😆😆

And I so much prefer Bobby in a suit!

Oh! Trivia! Actress who played Madam Gao in Netflix’s Dare Devil, appeared in season one as some expert. So nice reunion since D’Onofrio played Kingpin.

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Lol, your avatar drives me crazy. I keep waiting for the "Whew".

Alas, the GIF just sort of loops. LOL! But it's my very favorite holiday commercial. The new one ruining it drives me nuts, but that's for the Commercials topic! 😎

[WendyCR72]

21 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh! Trivia! Actress who played Madam Gao in Netflix’s Dare Devil, appeared in season one as some expert. So nice reunion since D’Onofrio played Kingpin.

Did not know that one! But I have said before that the actress playing the victim in the Season 3 episode, "The Saint" (the episode that a younger Stephen Colbert was in!), who got killed by the Christmas present bomb, ended up playing Wilson Fisk's/Kingpin's mother in Daredevil, too. So another reunion!

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, WendyCR72 said:

Did not know that one! But I have said before that the actress playing the victim in the Season 3 episode, "The Saint" (the episode that a younger Stephen Colbert was in!), who got killed by the Christmas present bomb, ended up playing Wilson Fisk's/Kingpin's mother in Daredevil, too. So another reunion!

She also played the wife of the couple who were pro-lifers who had locked themselves to their radiator in “The Third Horseman.”

I also noticed that a number of actors who played recurring judges on the mothership, appeared in the first season as people the cops questioned. Such as Peter McRobbie (aka Judge Bradley) and two other actresses who played recurring judges.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Watching “Cold Comfort” which has one of my favorite lines that make me giggle because of the line delivery from Bobby.

He and Alex are going over the crime scene and Alex insists that the victim hung her purse on the back of the bathroom stall:

Alex: “No. She hung it up.”

Bobby: “Right. A girl thing.”

Then just continues.

Me:😂😂

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Watching “Cold Comfort” which has one of my favorite lines that make me giggle because of the line delivery from Bobby.

He and Alex are going over the crime scene and Alex insists that the victim hung her purse on the back of the bathroom stall:

Alex: “No. She hung it up.”

Bobby: “Right. A girl thing.”

Then just continues.

Me:😂😂

That cracked me up. And it was nice seeing Alex get one over on Bobby.

But that episode just seemed too out of the realm of reality. I'd LOVE to believe someone could "recover" from Alzheimer's (having had a grandmother suffering from it, I would have given anything for such a scenario in real life!), but as of yet, it's just a dream. So the premise was heavily flawed. Not to mention, the actual investigation into who killed the Senator's daughter seemed to be usurped by the whole "stealing his brain" deal with more focus on Spencer Durning and his poor son than the actual murder.

Even if the actor that played the son did a great job!

But then, the whole cryogenics deal was a direct nod to the Ted Williams saga [as I was told here when I asked about this!], so maybe TPTB got sidetracked here because of that.

[wknt3]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

How’d I miss that Michael Chernuchin joined the writing cast as well as producer credit in season two? Well technically, executive producer, though I don’t know the difference between that and regular producer, which is what Leight was in season two. I’m assuming he put in 💴?

The difference in credits here is just a reflection of seniority. Chernuchin had been with Dick Wolf for a long time by then and Leight was new. Executive Producer is a very nebulous title given to everyone from senior writers to actors looking for an ego boost to show runners to actual production executives. It's more about looking very impressive in the opening credits than any sort of defined duties or contributions.

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, wknt3 said:

The difference in credits here is just a reflection of seniority. Chernuchin had been with Dick Wolf for a long time by then and Leight was new. Executive Producer is a very nebulous title given to everyone from senior writers to actors looking for an ego boost to show runners to actual production executives. It's more about looking very impressive in the opening credits than any sort of defined duties or contributions.

Thanks. I just noticed that Chernuchin wasn't part of the writing or credits in the first season. I've been paying close attention to the writing credits. And it also seems after someone has written or co-written a few episodes, within the same season, they'll get the "ego boost" of "co-executive producer" credit. 🙄

[wknt3]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Thanks. I just noticed that Chernuchin wasn't part of the writing or credits in the first season. I've been paying close attention to the writing credits. And it also seems after someone has written or co-written a few episodes, within the same season, they'll get the "ego boost" of "co-executive producer" credit. 🙄

According to various DVD commentaries there actually are writers' guild rules concerning title credits. Basically it's determined by previous experience, tenure with the show and/or production company, and how many other writers are on staff. As far as actors/etc. are concerned it's solely a matter of what you negotiate with the exception of "produced by," "created by," "developed by," etc. where the unions have negotiated specific criteria and, I believe,  guaranteed compensation.

Edited February 14, 2022 by wknt3

[GHScorpiosRule]

The best part of "Cherry Red" is watching both Bobby and Carver turn into tween boys, as they "ooh" and "ahh" over all those vintage car models! I think I would have liked to have seen how Deakins would have reacted!😅

[peacheslatour]

25 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The best part of "Cherry Red" is watching both Bobby and Carver turn into tween boys, as they "ooh" and "ahh" over all those vintage car models! I think I would have liked to have seen how Deakins would have reacted!😅

That was like when Van Buren went all fangurl over some TV talk show lady in Blackmail.

[Xeliou66]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

That cracked me up. And it was nice seeing Alex get one over on Bobby.

But that episode just seemed too out of the realm of reality. I'd LOVE to believe someone could "recover" from Alzheimer's (having had a grandmother suffering from it, I would have given anything for such a scenario in real life!), but as of yet, it's just a dream. So the premise was heavily flawed. Not to mention, the actual investigation into who killed the Senator's daughter seemed to be usurped by the whole "stealing his brain" deal with more focus on Spencer Durning and his poor son than the actual murder.

Even if the actor that played the son did a great job!

But then, the whole cryogenics deal was a direct nod to the Ted Williams saga [as I was told here when I asked about this!], so maybe TPTB got sidetracked here because of that.

Cold Comfort is one of the few weak episodes of season 2 IMO, both because of the far fetched plot and because, like you said, they completely forgot about trying to track down the hitwoman who committed the murder, she was still unknown and wasn’t caught by the end of the episode!! It took a backseat to all of the craziness about the Senator’s brain. Not one of my favorite episodes.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The best part of "Cherry Red" is watching both Bobby and Carver turn into tween boys, as they "ooh" and "ahh" over all those vintage car models! I think I would have liked to have seen how Deakins would have reacted!😅

That was great! But I also loved when Bobby got into the very real Porsche and was just a gleeful kid, saying how he couldn't say how it felt in mixed company. Then the perp is taken away [still crying that Bobby was in his car!] and Eames tells him, "You have to come out now!"

[GHScorpiosRule]

26 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

That was great! But I also loved when Bobby got into the very real Porsche and was just a gleeful kid, saying how he couldn't say how it felt in mixed company. Then the perp is taken away [still crying that Bobby was in his car!] and Eames tells him, "You have to come out now!"

Oh absolutely!

[peacheslatour]

Lol, Goren: "Max! Max, play nice!" in Privilege. I love it when he playacts.

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Lol, Goren: "Max! Max, play nice!" in Privilege. I love it when he playacts.

Yeah, that was cute.  ☺ Always liked when G/E went undercover. The shoe store bit is still #1, though, as the yuppie couple.

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

That was like when Van Buren went all fangurl over some TV talk show lady in Blackmail.

She actually didn’t. She just loves the show that Samantha Bee’s character hosted- like she told Lupo and Bernard-she could turn her brain off for an hour. Not the same as Bobby and Carver on awe of all those vintage cars.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She actually didn’t. She just loves the show that Samantha Bee’s character hosted- like she told Lupo and Bernard-she could turn her brain off for an hour. Not the same as Bobby and Carver on awe of all those vintage cars.

Considering Bobby himself drove what looked like a vintage Mustang (seen pretty well in "Purgatory"), it's not at all surprising seeing him act - as Alex joked - like a little boy on a play date when researching all of those classic cars.

Nice to see Lewis in "Cherry Red" again, too. (It would also be his last physical appearance, though he got a mention in S10.)

[Xeliou66]

10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Considering Bobby himself drove what looked like a vintage Mustang (seen pretty well in "Purgatory"), it's not at all surprising seeing him act - as Alex joked - like a little boy on a play date when researching all of those classic cars.

Nice to see Lewis in "Cherry Red" again, too. (It would also be his last physical appearance, though he got a mention in S10.)

I liked Lewis a lot, he was a cool guy. What season 10 episode was he mentioned in? It’s been a while since I’ve seen season 10 and I can’t recall when he was mentioned.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Another thing that I will lay at Leight's feet (Yes, I'm petty) is the disappearance of all of Bobby's friends/pals and sources we saw him reach out to in the first two seasons when they were investigating cases. And yes, even the fact that he dated.

But Leight and whoever thought it was better, better?! to destroy this smart character into some type of loser with mental issues. One who would get so angry and frustrated, he could barely complete a sentence sometimes. It's jarring for me while marathon watching the early seasons to the last few seasons simultaneously.

And that while we didn't get more than two trials, Carver and the district attorney's office, were a presence, at least, for the first five seasons.

Screw Leight!

[peacheslatour]

13 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She actually didn’t. She just loves the show that Samantha Bee’s character hosted- like she told Lupo and Bernard-she could turn her brain off for an hour. Not the same as Bobby and Carver on awe of all those vintage cars.

She did when she practically begged Logan and whichever nonentity he was partnered with that week to get her tickets.

[GHScorpiosRule]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

She did when she practically begged Logan and whichever nonentity he was partnered with that week to get her tickets.

That's a different episode and season! "Blackmail" was in the final season, which aired yesterday. But I think I know which one you're talking about. Logan was never partnered with a non-entity! Max, Phil, and Lennie! I don't consider any of them non-entities!

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Another thing that I will lay at Leight's feet (Yes, I'm petty) is the disappearance of all of Bobby's friends/pals and sources we saw him reach out to in the first two seasons when they were investigating cases. And yes, even the fact that he dated.

But Leight and whoever thought it was better, better?! to destroy this smart character into some type of loser with mental issues. One who would get so angry and frustrated, he could barely complete a sentence sometimes. It's jarring for me while marathon watching the early seasons to the last few seasons simultaneously.

And that while we didn't get more than two trials, Carver and the district attorney's office, were a presence, at least, for the first five seasons.

Screw Leight!

Amen, Fuck Warren Leight and fuck what he did to this show. He tried to portray Goren as a basket case who was disliked by the higher ups and was unstable. That was a terrible move and really screwed up the show, along with all of the other soapy shit. And yeah taking away the legal/prosecution stuff from the show was a dumb move that hurt the quality of the show. Leight really screwed up CI, and while we’re on the topic of Leight he’s screwing up the continuity of the franchise now on SVU by constantly trashing the DA’s office and I’m curious if they’ll address that at all now that Jack is coming back as DA. But yeah fuck Warren Leight. I’m so glad CI got a season 10 where Goren got his mojo back and the show returned to its basics and went out strong.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just watched "Folie A Deux" and can't help but laugh at Bobby's disappearing beard! He's got this almost full beard for most of the episode, then toward the end when he and Alex inform Ross that Emma has been dead all along, he only has this scrub; then next scene, when they come to arrest Andre, the full beard is back again!

Ay yi yi!!!

Forgot about "Faithfully" but it was nice to see a smiling Alex-the smile toward Bobby.

And I'm assuming the family that Bobby was with is from his mother's side of the family. I don't think we ever got an explanation?

 

[Spartan Girl]

So you guys remember “Silencer”, when the deaf guy killed the doctor who was going to give his girlfriend hearing implants or something, and he wanted to stop it because the their community apparently shuns people choose that option? I mean…does that really happen? I get having deaf pride and everything but that seems harsh. Also that in no way justifies what the guy did.

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

So you guys remember “Silencer”, when the deaf guy killed the doctor who was going to give his girlfriend hearing implants or something, and he wanted to stop it because the their community apparently shuns people choose that option? I mean…does that really happen? I get having deaf pride and everything but that seems harsh. Also that in no way justifies what the guy did.

I've read about it but never heard of it happening in real life.

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I liked Lewis a lot, he was a cool guy. What season 10 episode was he mentioned in? It’s been a while since I’ve seen season 10 and I can’t recall when he was mentioned.

I think "The Consoler", in Bobby's first therapy session, where he talks about Lewis telling Bobby how the mistake people make with their cars is flushing the engine. It kills the car. (Bobby comparing the car to himself, saying how all the "junk" is around for a reason, to plug the holes, etc.)

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

So you guys remember “Silencer”, when the deaf guy killed the doctor who was going to give his girlfriend hearing implants or something, and he wanted to stop it because the their community apparently shuns people choose that option? I mean…does that really happen? I get having deaf pride and everything but that seems harsh. Also that in no way justifies what the guy did.

Does murder happen? I hope not.

But yeah, I have read that cochlear implants are divisive in the deaf community. Some do use them, but there is a portion that think there is nothing wrong with being deaf and there is nothing to "fix".

I can see both points of view there.

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Just watched "Folie A Deux" and can't help but laugh at Bobby's disappearing beard! He's got this almost full beard for most of the episode, then toward the end when he and Alex inform Ross that Emma has been dead all along, he only has this scrub; then next scene, when they come to arrest Andre, the full beard is back again!

Ay yi yi!!!

Forgot about "Faithfully" but it was nice to see a smiling Alex-the smile toward Bobby.

And I'm assuming the family that Bobby was with is from his mother's side of the family. I don't think we ever got an explanation?

 

Nope, Bobby's sudden niece is never explained. Could be Frances' side - or maybe Bobby discovered other relatives through his evil sperm donor. I also loved G/E meeting up in Staten Island and Alex's warm smile towards Bobby. She smiled at him again at their desks after Goren had his Batman exchange with Ross, too.

(I think "Faithfully" was supposed to be the S8 premiere, considering Bobby being away, and it would make sense timeline wise post "Frame".)

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Amen, Fuck Warren Leight and fuck what he did to this show. He tried to portray Goren as a basket case who was disliked by the higher ups and was unstable. That was a terrible move and really screwed up the show, along with all of the other soapy shit. And yeah taking away the legal/prosecution stuff from the show was a dumb move that hurt the quality of the show. Leight really screwed up CI, and while we’re on the topic of Leight he’s screwing up the continuity of the franchise now on SVU by constantly trashing the DA’s office and I’m curious if they’ll address that at all now that Jack is coming back as DA. But yeah fuck Warren Leight. I’m so glad CI got a season 10 where Goren got his mojo back and the show returned to its basics and went out strong.

Yeah. And I really liked that one of his friends that he went to for help in S10, the literary professor, was played by none other than singer Patti Smith.

If I recall, she was a big fan of the show, so she was asked if she wanted to appear, and voila!

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

But yeah, I have read that cochlear implants are divisive in the deaf community. Some do use them, but there is a portion that think there is nothing wrong with being deaf and there is nothing to "fix".

I can see both points of view there.

So do, but casting them out of the deaf community completely? That just seems cruel. 

[WendyCR72]

48 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

So do, but casting them out of the deaf community completely? That just seems cruel. 

It is, but emotions do run high...

[GHScorpiosRule]

What that episode demonstrated to me was that those in the Deaf community think of those that can hear as not good enough to included. For example, the cop who could sign? His parents were deaf, but because he wasn't deaf, whoever the cops were questioning? Didn't want him there to interpret. I also wish that when the characters were signing amongst themselves that the closed captioning had provided subtitles as to what they were saying to each other!

And why be different? The mothership had an episode dealing with the victim who was going to get cochlear implants, but there, the hearing human who ran the school was the murderer. But the attitude and behavior of the deaf community in that episode was the same as here. 

Anyway. "Person of Interest" is so aggravating. No surprise as this is the first credit I remember of Leight co-writing an episode. All the good stuff is Balcer's.

And shallow...but I never noticed that overbite that Olivia D'Abo had.

Anyway. It was just too pat that Nicole was able to set up Bobby that way.

Aaaaand heeeeeere it comes: Bobby's personal issues starting to take over and chip away at his character.

I'm confused as to "Gemini" and who the killer is. I mean, did Brent kill some of the victims, or was it his brother who killed them all to frame him? Or was he going to kill the last to frame Brent? Admittedly, I wasn't paying too close attention as I had it running while working.

UGH as to "The Gift" episode. Sooooo borrrrrrrring, and so I let it also run in the background and even turning back to watch every now and then. bleagh.

"Zootonic" was good, though. I loved the scene at the end with Alex, Bobby, and Carver. Where Alex and Bobby convince Carver to let the evidence against Buzz just disappear/not be brought up, so that his kid could continue to get the benefits.

I couldn't resist. I watched "Undaunted Mettle" last week, just for the scene when Alex tells Bobby that she just told Deakins she was going to be a surrogate for her sister (writing in Kathryn's real life pregnancy-clever way to explain it!) and then the line about having to get Bobby a temporary partner, hee.

Alex: "He said when the time comes, he'll hook you up with a temporary partner."

Bobby: "Oh, no. I didn't even think of that. Well, what did you say?"

Alex: "I pity the fool."

Me: 😂😂

When we had a full forum for this show, I used that line for the quote thread!

Edited February 16, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[peacheslatour]

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"Zootonic" was good, though. I loved the scene at the end with Alex, Bobby, and Carver. Where Alex and Bobby convince Carver to let the evidence against Buzz just disappear/not be brought up, so that his kid could continue to get the benefits.

Stern was a pig and Boorman was a creepy little weirdo. I hated them both.

[GHScorpiosRule]

26 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Stern was a pig and Boorman was a creepy little weirdo. I hated them both.

Agree!

I loved how both Bobby and Alex couldn't hide their disgust at Boorman, that narcissistic pig, when he was flaunting that FUGLY body at them both.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Agree!

I loved how both Bobby and Alex couldn't hide their disgust at Boorman, that narcissistic pig, when he was flaunting that FUGLY body at them both.

Right? Alex looked like she was going to puke!

[GHScorpiosRule]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Right? Alex looked like she was going to puke!

Both of them did! Bobby even covered his face with his hand as he turned his head away.

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Both of them did! Bobby even covered his face with his hand as he turned his head away.

I swear, Alex turned green. And yes, Bobby looked sick too. Yuck.

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Both of them did! Bobby even covered his face with his hand as he turned his head away.

"Zoonotic" was just disturbing all the way around, injecting women with tropical animal viruses and all...

I did like the scene where Bobby/Alex were looking for the samples of viruses and Bobby sees the warmer or whatever.

"What's this for? To steam vegetables? Get him out of here!" I liked when Bobby would get pissy. Also liked Alex's line to Dr. Gross - after he told them to make sure everything was put back - about how they weren't responsible for housekeeping or however she phrased it.

[Xeliou66]

I don’t like Zoonotic for the simple reason that the ending was so weird and OOC for everyone involved - not charging the 2 doctors with the murder of the cop was just ridiculous, no way the by the book Carver would go along with it, and it was weird that Goren/Eames wouldn’t want them charged, I didn’t buy it at all, they would want to ensure the 2 scumbag doctors never got out of prison, and both the DA’s office and the police department would demand justice for a murdered cop, period, no way they would let the case go without anyone being charged, nor should they. So that was a really stupid ending to an otherwise good and disturbing episode.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I don’t like Zoonotic for the simple reason that the ending was so weird and OOC for everyone involved - not charging the 2 doctors with the murder of the cop was just ridiculous, no way the by the book Carver would go along with it, and it was weird that Goren/Eames wouldn’t want them charged, I didn’t buy it at all, they would want to ensure the 2 scumbag doctors never got out of prison, and both the DA’s office and the police department would demand justice for a murdered cop, period, no way they would let the case go without anyone being charged, nor should they. So that was a really stupid ending to an otherwise good and disturbing episode.

But if I remember right, they were still going to prison for the animal viruses and infecting women. Even Alex said they would be very old men when they got out of prison - IF they ever got out. So with all of those charges adding up, that may be why they were willing to cover up the circumstances about the dirty cop for the sake of his young daughter.

Either way, they weren't free.

[Xeliou66]

11 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

But if I remember right, they were still going to prison for the animal viruses and infecting women. Even Alex said they would be very old men when they got out of prison - IF they ever got out. So with all of those charges adding up, that may be why they were willing to cover up the circumstances about the dirty cop for the sake of his young daughter.

Either way, they weren't free.

I know all of that, but there’s no way the DA’s office or the police department would let the case be closed without charges being filed against the doctors for the murder of the officer, when an officer is killed, the public and the justice system want retribution, it doesn’t matter whether Goren/Eames thought they should walk on it or even if Carver agreed, there’s no way the case against them for the officer’s murder would just go away, the higher ups and the public would demand answers and justice, it was very unrealistic IMO. Immoral as well for that matter, the doctors should’ve been charged with the officer’s murder, regardless of feelings of sympathy for his family. It was OOC for Goren/Eames to put emotions ahead of their duty, even more so for Carver, who was ultra by the book, no way would the DA’s office just not pursue charges. So I found the ending unrealistic as well as morally bankrupt, and it weakened an otherwise strong episode.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

I know all of that, but there’s no way the DA’s office or the police department would let the case be closed without charges being filed against the doctors for the murder of the officer, when an officer is killed, the public and the justice system want retribution, it doesn’t matter whether Goren/Eames thought they should walk on it or even if Carver agreed, there’s no way the case against them for the officer’s murder would just go away, the higher ups and the public would demand answers and justice, it was very unrealistic IMO. Immoral as well for that matter, the doctors should’ve been charged with the officer’s murder, regardless of feelings of sympathy for his family. It was OOC for Goren/Eames to put emotions ahead of their duty, even more so for Carver, who was ultra by the book, no way would the DA’s office just not pursue charges. So I found the ending unrealistic as well as morally bankrupt, and it weakened an otherwise strong episode.

Well, on the franchise, it seemed to sometimes play fast and loose with stuff like this. While it's never good to let a murderer be unpunished, I also see the POV about shielding his kid from the fact that her father was not a hero cop.

And, as mentioned, the dirty cop's pension could be affected, thus affecting his kid. So in this case, I just saw it as "we are still punishing these pieces of crap for other crimes for a long time, so why make an innocent child suffer?" deal. Yeah, maybe not enough legal wise, but I sort of understand it.

[WendyCR72]

Ooh. "Lady's Man" is on WE. Always glad to see Alex get her time in the sun.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Here's my take on the ending of "Zootonic" with respect to Buzz. Not only was he a dirty cop, he was also on suspension. Aside from his love for his child, there was nothing redeeming about him, unlike the cops who were murdered in "Stray" and had Alex not go on leave as she was ready to pop. No one, not one cop was jonesing to find out who killed him.

Instead of using what he found out (I'm blanking on this aspect) to help end his suspension, he used it for his own greed. So, no sympathy from me, and that Alex and Bobby said what they said, was more for the child, than the cop.

And Bobby did the same in a season one episode, and the title is eluding me, but it's the one where the priest killed his son. Dana Reeve was the mother. He didn't want to ruin her life, so he convinced the priest to confess--but not saying his son was his abusive lover.

And I loved how "F.P.S." ended with the text to Bobby that Alex gave birth to a baby 7 pounds, 8 oz. and the smile on his face. I think that should have been the episode before her return in "Unrequited" as opposed to "Mad Hops."

 

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I loved how "F.P.S." ended with the text to Bobby that Alex gave birth to a baby 7 pounds, 8 oz. and the smile on his face. I think that should have been the episode before her return in "Unrequited" as opposed to "Mad Hops."

Yeah, I always thought it was odd to have another Bishop episode after the birth announcement, but what do I know? I did love Bobby's little dance upon Alex's return after they finished talking with Marion Whitney in her library, just after Alex cracked:

"The dance of the Merry Widow!"

Then Bobby does the little twirl and air punch. Hee.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Alex: “Let me put them out of our misery.” (Referring to Bobby and Mike)

Alex: “There they go…Ocean’s two.”

Me:😅😅😅😅😅

Do I really have to state which episode this is from?

[Xeliou66]

33 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Alex: “Let me put them out of our misery.” (Referring to Bobby and Mike)

Alex: “There they go…Ocean’s two.”

Me:😅😅😅😅😅

Do I really have to state which episode this is from?

One of my favorite quotes from CI, from probably my favorite episode of CI.