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S05.E10: Rabbit Hole


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I liked this episode because every character made an appearance at least once.  Is that the first time that's happened all season?  Atwater and Burgess were barely seen, but at least there was a sighting.

Otherwise, it was a decent episode, but again probably only because I like Halstead.  I don't really see this great downward spiral that he's supposed to be on though?  I mean, a little, but he doesn't seem to be nearly at rock bottom.  JLS played it like he really cared for the girl, and he turned down the drugs, so...

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I enjoyed this episode, both Paddy and Jesse were outstanding. We know Ruzek's story has a bit to play out, but I really hope they don't drop Jay's story and have him back to normal next week (you know they have form)

As a cliffhanger..I can't say I was 'nervous' to see if Voight went all apeshit at Ruzek and either killed him or dumped him from Intelligence because they had released photos for upcoming episodes with him in it so you already knew he'd be fine. I did think that they went soft with Voight due to all the recent publicity. In the first four seasons Ruzek would have left the silos with a few bruises.

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Wow just wow! One of the finest episodes in awhile.

Jay, Jeepers man why lie?! You know the truth will come out. (Shakes my head) I think tho he had developed feelings for her, but hey how dumb can you be. Does anybody actually know if when you're undercover can you sleep with your CI? I mean there are protocols, right?

Hailey, I'm getting vibes, (good ones ??) I'm thinking she's starting to care for Jay a little more than professionally, (which is fine by me, I like the idea of her and Jay) but Jay doesn't seem to be there yet. I wonder how they are gonna play it out. 

Hailey is a wonderful addition to this show, and I love that she's moral most of the time, but those last few minutes kinda tells us she's willing to bend a few for someone she likes. Which for me is ok, I don't think Jay deserves to go down for sleeping with a CI....

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Jay was really thinking with the wrong head with this one. There was no way his undercover romance would have ended well. No Adam you and Voight are not cool, because you betrayed his trust. Can the writers please give us more Atwater?

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21 hours ago, Lyanna19 said:

Does anybody actually know if when you're undercover can you sleep with your CI? I mean there are protocols, right?

Of course you can't...that's why Voight kept asking him. That's getting personally involved and letting your feelings get into the midst of the job you're trying to do.

Then again, they have shown repeatedly that Halstead drank heavily with her, and like Voight, I also don't believe there were no drugs involved, at least pills of some kind. 

Voight isn't a stupid guy; he has been watching Halstead all along and likely knows exactly what is affecting him and how. I'm honestly surprised that he allows him to continue working, to not force him on some kind of mental health sabbatical, or at the very least, send him to Dr. Charles like he did Lindsay.

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5 hours ago, spunky said:

Jay was really thinking with the wrong head with this one. There was no way his undercover romance would have ended well. No Adam you and Voight are not cool, because you betrayed his trust. Can the writers please give us more Atwater?

He has a big episode coming up. If not this weeks episode, then next.

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Did I miss the point here, or was Jay not really "undercover"?  He came up with that story on the spot only after Voight and Upton showed up at the crime scene the night the girl was shot.  Camilla wasn't Jay's CI until he had to make her one to save his own ass.  She was just a girl that he was sleeping with who thought his name was Ryan because of a previous undercover assignment.  That previous assignment was over weeks if not months ago.  So no, when you're undercover, you can't sleep with your CI... but that wasn't what Jay was doing, IMO.  He was just living a double life.

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@FnkyChkn34 you're right, but I do think he was trying to, (or thought he might as well?) Get info on those drugs....I could be wrong. 

But as far as I know your CI knows or should know that you are a cop and that she/he is a CI, or at least that's the impression I get is how it works....

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2 hours ago, Lyanna19 said:

@FnkyChkn34 you're right, but I do think he was trying to, (or thought he might as well?) Get info on those drugs....I could be wrong. 

But as far as I know your CI knows or should know that you are a cop and that she/he is a CI, or at least that's the impression I get is how it works....

Right, so she wasn't a CI... ;)

I don't think he cared about those drugs, except to maybe score some for himself. But, I could easily be wrong. Anything could be true this season because I don't find the new writers to be very good. Nuance is not their forte. 

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37 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:
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I don't think he cared about those drugs, except to maybe score some for himself. 

Maybe, but he seemed to be upset when he kissed her and tasted the coke. I thought for sure he'd have to do a surprise drug test, and was thinking 'oh no all he did was kiss her and now he'll fail it' ? (actually would he have failed a drug test if he only kissed her and she had been snorting or whatever it is she did, coke?)

Personally I thought this was one of the best episodes in a long time, seemed like something out of a romance novel, but I guess it doesn't work for everyone. ?

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2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Right, so she wasn't a CI... ;)

I don't think he cared about those drugs, except to maybe score some for himself. But, I could easily be wrong. Anything could be true this season because I don't find the new writers to be very good. Nuance is not their forte. 

True...when they are trying to make a point they make sure they smash you over the head with it. For example - there is obvious racial tension in Chicago so they smashed us over the head with Ruzek being racist all of a sudden only to forget about it the next week (and every week since), but hey they can tick the box on that ripped from the headlines story/theme.

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21 hours ago, Lyanna19 said:

But as far as I know your CI knows or should know that you are a cop and that she/he is a CI, or at least that's the impression I get is how it works....

CIs are officially "registered" with the police department, largely because they get paid. Remember the paperwork we saw in the beginning of Season 1, for when Erin was Voight's CI? (I always found that ridiculous, as someone as meticulous and private as Voight would NEVER have let his team dig around somewhere that they'd come across Erin's history; but apparently that was the best way the writers could think of to let viewers have a glimpse of Erin's past. Alas, I digress.)

This said, the whole issue definitely made me think of Voight's having used 14- or 15-year-old Erin as a CI...not just as he later ended up having a personal relationship with her, taking her to live with him and Camille, but also the ethics of paying an underage person for giving information that could potentially put herself into danger (if Charlie or others had found out). Likely Erin did it out of sheer desperation, often being hungry and homeless; Voight knew that. You'd think that the PD wouldn't sign off on something like that, as it smacks of exploitation of a child.

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Just catching up with this show through reruns, I realize it first aired well over a year ago, but...

Jesus, could Jay have been stupider?  He somehow didn't notice his "girlfriend" was paying for her living quarters through drug deals, made ridiculous wang-based decisions, and put the whole team in a hugely compromising position. At the very least, Voight should have had him drug tested and demoted him.  

It was satisfying to see Ruzek tell off Bubba Gump.

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IMO that was the start of Jay's personality change/downfall - it was soon after Erin left and has basically continued ever since. I don't know if this intentional on the part of the writers, or simply due to crappy writing. But IMO there are two very distinct versions of Jay, pre- and post-Erin. I don't think we've ever seen Jay 2.0 smile once.

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15 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

IMO that was the start of Jay's personality change/downfall - it was soon after Erin left and has basically continued ever since. I don't know if this intentional on the part of the writers, or simply due to crappy writing. But IMO there are two very distinct versions of Jay, pre- and post-Erin. I don't think we've ever seen Jay 2.0 smile once.

Does Jay have a personality? Didn't notice.

He's kinda just there, or was this season, doing nothing, I guess they didn't know what to do with him while waiting to hook him up with Upton.

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