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Meredith Quill
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^This.^ Thank you.  Months ago I posted that both Dany and Jon were at the top of my death list, but it never occurred to me that (a) she'd die crazy or (b) he'd kill her because she was crazy. Y

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oh thank god. y'all have stopped arguing about Sansa.

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Do you think they are going to try hard to hide Emilia for the later eps, because I'm guessing she will have to be wearing a fake belly in at least eps 5 and 6?  I know we all know Dany is going to be "miraculously" pregnant in s8, but I'm sure D&D don't want the paps or fans snapping a pic of Emilia in costume that outright confirms it.  Much easier to hide for the indoor shoots, but anything outdoors and they are almost certainly screwed. I do wonder if they are going to try and minimise any outdoor scenes for her.

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20 hours ago, bubble sparkly said:

Do you think they are going to try hard to hide Emilia for the later eps, because I'm guessing she will have to be wearing a fake belly in at least eps 5 and 6?  I know we all know Dany is going to be "miraculously" pregnant in s8, but I'm sure D&D don't want the paps or fans snapping a pic of Emilia in costume that outright confirms it.  Much easier to hide for the indoor shoots, but anything outdoors and they are almost certainly screwed. I do wonder if they are going to try and minimise any outdoor scenes for her.

Since Dany is going to be on Drogon for a chunk of the season, she is likely filming tons of scenes on the green screen. I would be surprised if Dany is visibly pregnant in the upcoming season. 

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My impression is that for amount of time filming, going by cast sightings in Northern Ireland to date, it's Kit >> Maisie >>>> everyone else. That won't necessarily translate into screen time allotments in Season 8, since Maisie and Kit have been doing a lot of fight training for action scenes, but that's who seems to be filming the most.

Sophie hasn't been filming very much in 2018 at all. Of course, if she is at Winterfell until it burns down and then is subsequently killed or captured by Cersei as so many have speculated, she wouldn't have much call to be doing much filming in 2018 when they're shooting exteriors and battle scenes. Sophie is pretty easy to keep track of thanks to her fanbase, so we'll have to see if she shows up in Belfast for any length of time over the next two (three?) months. If the worker who said that the Spain sequence is a battle scene is correct, I wouldn't expect to see Sophie in Spain, either. 

It seems as if filming will be going into July, but it doesn't seem as if the production has that much time left (even if things have been pushed back as the message to the extra about modified filming dates suggests). May will be largely taken up with the Spain stuff, and I assume they have quite a bit to do on the KL exterior set. The clock is ticking...

While of course the show is shot out of order, we know that the Spain stuff is from 8x05 or 8x06 and we can assume that whatever's been filmed on the KL exterior set is probably from late in the season. That means that if some of the actors are filming new projects right now or over the next few months, the characters they play are not involved in the endgame in all likelihood. Iain Glen for example is filming Mrs. Wilson, which started filming in mid-April. With that said, Alfie Allen is involved in a new project and was in Belfast filming this past week, although I'm not sure if filming has started on the other project yet.

Other tidbits:

Someone in the WOTW comments section said that Carice was in Seville.

A /Freefolker who's in Seville and visited Italica not long ago commented on the piles of firewood they saw there.

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SeanC

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13 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Sophie: Union College (state of New York)

Nothing's been said on this, but I'd hazard a guess that she's going to the Met Ball tomorrow (she's attended the last couple), which would put her either in New York or in transit through Tuesday, at least.

13 hours ago, bubble sparkly said:

Do you think they are going to try hard to hide Emilia for the later eps, because I'm guessing she will have to be wearing a fake belly in at least eps 5 and 6?  I know we all know Dany is going to be "miraculously" pregnant in s8, but I'm sure D&D don't want the paps or fans snapping a pic of Emilia in costume that outright confirms it.  Much easier to hide for the indoor shoots, but anything outdoors and they are almost certainly screwed. I do wonder if they are going to try and minimise any outdoor scenes for her.

The passage of time on this show is usually nebulous, but I doubt Dany is going to be visibly pregnant this season, at least not until a time jump toward the end in the wrap-up.

3 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Anyone else thrilled that Kit and Maisie are filming so much together?? I’m overjoyed at the idea of so much Jon and Arya in S8

Just as long as the writers refrain from trying to introduce conflict into the reunion, which, based on the last two Stark reunions, they are not good at.

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52 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Just as long as the writers refrain from trying to introduce conflict into the reunion, which, based on the last two Stark reunions, they are not good at.

Ugh, you might be onto something here. I was so thrilled by Sansa's reunion with Jon and then Arya, only to be subjected to endless unnecessary conflict. Just the thought that they might do the same thing with Jon and Arya is crushing.

OhOkayWhat

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2 hours ago, SimoneS said:

only to be subjected to endless unnecessary conflict.

It was narratively necessary. And it made a lot of sense. The Stark kids carry A LOT of issues inside, to pretend the issues suddenly dissapear only because they reunite betrays the previous narrative.

A very different problem is that such conflics needed, perhaps a bit more of screentime to develop properly.

In brief: Conflicts between Starks, consistent but rushed.

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Unlike Jon/Sansa and Arya/Sansa, Jon and Arya were actually close.

But what happens if Jon forbids Arya to go on any mission?

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Happy Harpy

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54 minutes ago, OhOkayWhat said:

But what happens if Jon forbids Arya to go on any mission?

 

After he ordered that every man and woman in the North train, I don't see Jon forbidding any able person (less one as skilled as Arya) to go on any mission. Considering the amount of filming that Maisie and Kit are doing together, on battle locations, and the amount of filming her stunt double does, Jon and Arya are going to fight together a lot. So, I don't expect their relationship to be absolutely seamless -although, they might still "get" each other in spite of how much they lived or died through and changed- but not on this particular point.

An actress playing a Frey girl guests in one (?) episode, so maybe the true avenging of the Red Wedding will come up. I don't think that it would create a real deep rift, after all Jon let Sansa take revenge on Ramsay in a gruesome yet well deserved way. But unless he's warned beforehand that Arya is a FM, he'd be in for a shock, I think.  And here, Daenerys and Arya's conceptions of revenge/justice are pretty close (the crucifixion of the masters in Meereen, and Dany ordered the Unsullied to hurt no child in Astapor like Arya spared the Frey women and children) so it could be an very interesting play between those three characters. Also, it would be an opportunity for Arya to share with Jon that she was at the RW and saw what they did to the bannermen, Greywind and Robb, how it hurt her, how it affected her trajectory. With Maisie's acting chops, it could make for a scene able to rival "Davos outs Melisandre" emotional levels.

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1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Unlike Jon/Sansa and Arya/Sansa, Jon and Arya were actually close.

That doesn't mean conflict is impossible.  They're different people with different life experience; they aren't going to agree on everything.

I'm not saying I think this is the most likely course, by any means, just that if the writers think that some interpersonal conflict will spice up or subvert audience expectations about their reunion, it won't go well, because the writers demonstrably aren't good at it (in neither of the prior cases was the idea of character conflict amongst the Starks a bad idea intrinsically, it just was badly conceived and badly executed).

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3 minutes ago, SeanC said:

t it (in neither of the prior cases was the idea of character conflict amongst the Starks a bad idea intrinsically, it just was badly conceived and badly executed).

I agree with this. Sansa and Arya conflict made perfect sense on paper because those two characters always had a problem with each other and had a bad history. They had very valid issues that needed to be worked out and it would have been beautiful to me to see them work through it and come together as sisters and bring down Littlefinger. How they got there however was ridiculous and contrived. It was hollow at the end because they made Sansa an idiot and Arya a psycho IMO to do it. It was infuriating. 

I will hope for the best however when it comes to Jon/Arya. ?

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1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

After he ordered that every man and woman in the North train,

Every man and woman will not choose the most dangerous mission ever. And that's the kind of mission Arya will choose.

 

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Considering the amount of filming that Maisie and Kit are doing together

Filming the same day is not the same than filming together.

 

1 hour ago, GraceK said:

How they got there however was ridiculous and contrived.

I don't agree. It makes perfect sense with Arya still living under the delusion of she being  a "bringer of justice" and Sansa still believing Petyr lessons are useful.

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Edith

Edith

Some information from L7R

https://lossietereinos.com/nuevas-informaciones-rumores-rodaje-juego-tronos-sevilla/

Main actors and extras will participate in the filming. In this case, Modexpor, the responsible company, has not done new casting but has called some of the hundreds of extras that have participated in GOT the past seasons.

In the dragon pit there are not structures with stores for a parley between sides like last year. Also  they didn't added any other elements, no green stickers for special effects.

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32 minutes ago, Edith said:

Some information from L7R

https://lossietereinos.com/nuevas-informaciones-rumores-rodaje-juego-tronos-sevilla/

Main actors and extras will participate in the filming. In this case, Modexpor, the responsible company, has not done new casting but has called some of the hundreds of extras that have participated in GOT the past seasons.

In the dragon pit there are not structures with stores for a parley between sides like last year. Also  they didn't added any other elements, no green stickers for special effects.

So In your opinion what do you think? Wedding? Coronation? 

anamika

anamika

10 hours ago, GraceK said:

Anyone else thrilled that Kit and Maisie are filming so much together?? I’m overjoyed at the idea of so much Jon and Arya in S8

I am just glad that Maisie is filming so much. She's been filming constantly since they started. After getting sidelined for 2 seasons, it's no wonder that Maisie said that she was surprised by season 8 and the ending.

There seems to be almost no news about Rory McCann and the Hound. The Mountain seems to be busy with his world's strongest man competition, so not sure if their confrontation is already filmed or yet to be. Or maybe the Hound dies in WF and has no more plot.

NCW in Belfast for KL filming could hint at the resolution of his plot with Cersei.

Dinklage in Belfast - KL filming. It will be interesting if he shows up in spain. Kit too.

Other than her appearance in Dubrovnik, nothing about Lena Headey in Belfast either.

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Happy Harpy

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10 hours ago, SeanC said:

That doesn't mean conflict is impossible.  They're different people with different life experience; they aren't going to agree on everything.

I'm not saying I think this is the most likely course, by any means, just that if the writers think that some interpersonal conflict will spice up or subvert audience expectations about their reunion, it won't go well, because the writers demonstrably aren't good at it (in neither of the prior cases was the idea of character conflict amongst the Starks a bad idea intrinsically, it just was badly conceived and badly executed).

As I said above, it isn't impossible and I don't see them agreeing on everything -unless they do, if Jon/Arya is supposed to stay the poster child for perfect platonic sibling love (the things I need to specify because of this show, LOL). The conflicts among the Starks weren't bad imo; they had their hiccups, but I don't think we'd agree on the reason why (not opening that can of worms here).

I'd tend to say that a big conflict is unlikely, though. Jon will have the Targaryen bomb to deal with, so D&D will have plenty of angst to throw in the mix already; and if a relationship is somewhat derailed my bets would be on Sam/Jon/Daenerys re: Crispy Tarlys. I came to think that most expected friendly reunions were delayed until or planned for the last season because precisely, they'll be friendly. Example: One could have thought that The Hound would resent Arya for abandoning him, yet 7x07 established that far from it, he cares about her. Otherwise, I bet that a lot of people would be speculating about a Hound/Arya deadly conflict.

8 hours ago, OhOkayWhat said:

Every man and woman will not choose the most dangerous mission ever. And that's the kind of mission Arya will choose.

Filming the same day is not the same than filming together.

 

Dangerous missions, like climbing the Wall? Yet, Jon climbed it with Ygritte. He's also the one who gave child Arya a sword. I don't think that he'll be happy about his sister being in danger, but he knows that nobody's safe anyway. He has always been  pragmatic when it comes to using people's abilities, and one of the characters, if not the character, most respectful of women's abilities. I don't see him not respecting Arya's. Imo, trying to protect someone they love in this way would actually be more of a Dany thing to do (with Jon, beyond the Wall).

Kit and Maisie were filming on location for the same battle scenes (WF). Their characters are both going to fight this one.

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anamika

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44 minutes ago, Happy Harpy said:

I'd tend to say that a big conflict is unlikely, though.

 

Pretty much. Sansa vs Jon/Arya was about power and LF's influence on Sansa. I don't see that happening with Jon and Arya.

If there is conflict between them it could be about things like how to deal with the Others or planning/fighting etc. As per some of the leaks, I can see them arguing about how trustworthy Tyrion is (If we get a Tyrion betrayal arc) and the Lannisters in general given that Jaime is going to join them. I suspect that Arya will be one of the leaders in this war and if that is the case, the show should make a case for it by giving her a proper arc in this final season. This could perhaps see her clashing with Jon.

2 hours ago, SeanC said:

There seldom is, which is odd in one sense because he’s a huge guy and hard to miss.  

Could be because he looks very different when not in makeup. Rory was seen plenty when filming last season though - there were pub sightings of him with the other guys. This season, there's been absolutely nothing I think.

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7 hours ago, anamika said:

Pretty much. Sansa vs Jon/Arya was about power and LF's influence on Sansa. I don't see that happening with Jon and Arya.

If there is conflict between them it could be about things like how to deal with the Others or planning/fighting etc. As per some of the leaks, I can see them arguing about how trustworthy Tyrion is (If we get a Tyrion betrayal arc) and the Lannisters in general given that Jaime is going to join them. I suspect that Arya will be one of the leaders in this war and if that is the case, the show should make a case for it by giving her a proper arc in this final season. This could perhaps see her clashing with Jon.

Could be because he looks very different when not in makeup. Rory was seen plenty when filming last season though - there were pub sightings of him with the other guys. This season, there's been absolutely nothing I think.

Not absolutely nothing: Rory was spotted during the filming of the Winterfell battle stuff earlier this year. It’s been pretty slim pickings, though, I agree.

Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage haven’t been seen much, either.

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Happy Harpy

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6 hours ago, OhOkayWhat said:

Dangerous missions like going alone (or with the Hound) to kill Cercei (I believe Arya will change her mind and she will not kill the Lannister Queen)

Since she already pulled that stunt once with Walder and his Rat Brigades, and was unscathed, I don't think it's a particularly dangerous one for Arya or that Jon would oppose it on that ground, especially if they need to neutralize Cersei. Now, if she said she was going to fight the Mountain on an open field  one on one, I believe that everyone would yell "Hell to the naw!" (but she wouldn't).

Mercy killing  is likely to be part of Arya's storyline at one point. Cersei could be it (if she stops denying, she'll realize she lost everything by her own fault and prefer death; mirroring Catelyn giving up after Robb's death) but I'm afraid that it would be the Hound.

1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage haven’t been seen much, either.

Wasn't it the same for them the previous years? Most of their scenes are interior scenes, like Sophie Turner's. With all the battles this season, it's even more complicated to evaluate, sigh.

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1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Wasn't it the same for them the previous years? Most of their scenes are interior scenes, like Sophie Turner's. With all the battles this season, it's even more complicated to evaluate, sigh.

I believe that D&D said on one of the commentary tracks that Lena Headey would have a lot of time off in filming Season 8 (at least compared to Kit). 

If Lena wraps in June, Cersei may be involved in the KL exterior scenes.

Some have claimed that John Bradley (Sam) is involved in the Dragonpit scene being filmed. No sign of him in Seville (yet).

Emilia and Sophie are still in the States, as far as I know. The only main cast member in Seville at the moment seems to be Maisie.

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6 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

Since she already pulled that stunt once with Walder and his Rat Brigades, and was unscathed, I don't think it's a particularly dangerous one for Arya or that Jon would oppose it on that ground,

Lets forget for a second that particular mission itself. Just using the faces is very dangerous decision.

 

6 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

Now, if she said she was going to fight the Mountain

It's not just narrative coincidence that the last two names in Arya list are Cersei AND the Mountain.

 

35 minutes ago, WindyNights said:

 

So they're filming right now at the dragonpit. There are extras there and the only big characters there are Arya and Gendry.....hmmmm

 

As far I know Joe is not in Seville.

WindyNights

WindyNights

25 minutes ago, OhOkayWhat said:

Lets forget for a second that particular mission itself. Just using the faces is very dangerous decision.

 

It's not just narrative coincidence that the last two names in Arya list are Cersei AND the Mountain.

 

As far I know Joe is not in Seville.

He's in Spain though. Specifically Valencia and that was a day or two ago. It's not that far to get to Seville.

He's the only other cast member in Spain at least besides Maisie

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SeanC

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1 hour ago, Edith said:

Apparently Sophie is in London. No Kit or Gwen either if that is the case!

Maisie is the only one confirmed and mayyybe Joe.

Yeah, they wouldn't be involved in whatever's being filmed at the moment, though you'd have to assume they're traveling somewhere work-related, since all of them were in completely different places as of yesterday.

bubble sparkly

bubble sparkly

Man, I really have no idea what could be going on with the dragonpit stuff.  Sansa has said she wouldn't go near Cersei again, so does it mean Cersei must be dead / removed from power if Sansa is in KL? Or could one of those spoiler leaks about Sansa getting kidnapped by Cersei and Jon/Arya going to rescue her be true?

Edith

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37 minutes ago, bubble sparkly said:

Man, I really have no idea what could be going on with the dragonpit stuff.  Sansa has said she wouldn't go near Cersei again, so does it mean Cersei must be dead / removed from power if Sansa is in KL? Or could one of those spoiler leaks about Sansa getting kidnapped by Cersei and Jon/Arya going to rescue her be true?

Yeah, I think she gets kidnapped

1. There was a lot foreshadowing last season. 

2. Conclusion to the Cersei-Sansa storyline that has been mentioned since season 4

3. There was a third actor in Dubrovnik, and a woman did say that Sansa and Jon were there before deleting her instagram post.

4. There's actually foreshadowing in the books too.

Question: does this mean that the report from yesterday that Kit, Sophie and Gwen were at the airport was true? Are they in Seville? Or in Belfast?

And obviously the third guy who saw Sophie in a tourist place was probably mistaken 

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bubble sparkly

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Yeah I agree, they did have Sansa mention Cersei a few times last season so there was some foreshadowing that they would meet again.  If Cersei does indeed send her army / the GC to attack Winterfell circa 8x03, then it's definitely possible that someone could nab Sansa during the attack.  Then Cersei could try and use Sansa as bait to lure Jon into surrendering, possibly giving a reason for that Kit/Lena scene that we saw some photos of a while ago.  However, Jon and co could presumably come up with a plan, perhaps Jon meets with Cersei and pretends to surrender while Arya and Gendry bust some heads and extract Sansa.  Then...party in the dragonpit lol?

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L7R hasn’t confirmed Gendry’s presence at the scene yet.

It’s hard to speculate when it seems likely that there are other actors involved who haven’t been spotted yet, but so far:

Tyrion + Sansa + Arya + stunts/action + multiple extras - greenscreen (no greeenscreen markers up) - Dany (since Emilia is elsewhere) = ?????

If Rory and Hafthor showed up, it would explain a lot. Hafthor's supposedly in the Philippines, though.

Tyrion and Sansa aren’t usually involved in action scenes, so it will be interesting to see what’s going on, unless they’re just standing around while Arya and whoever (Jon, Brienne) do the fighting. Could be a Typical GOT Battle, where they’re surrounded on all sides and things look grim until a third party arrives to save everyone.

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Edith

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19 minutes ago, bubble sparkly said:

Yeah I agree, they did have Sansa mention Cersei a few times last season so there was some foreshadowing that they would meet again.  If Cersei does indeed send her army / the GC to attack Winterfell circa 8x03, then it's definitely possible that someone could nab Sansa during the attack.  Then Cersei could try and use Sansa as bait to lure Jon into surrendering, possibly giving a reason for that Kit/Lena scene that we saw some photos of a while ago.  However, Jon and co could presumably come up with a plan, perhaps Jon meets with Cersei and pretends to surrender while Arya and Gendry bust some heads and extract Sansa.  Then...party in the dragonpit lol?

We don't know if Joe is in Seville yet. But it could be Tyrion and Arya instead. Tyrion did use the rk passage to find his father 

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52 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Freefolk mourns another Sansa non-death, as she escapes whatever goes down in the North.

Don't be so sure. Arya could be wearing Sansa's face and change back to Arya at a critical moment; Arya musing about wearing Sansa's face in S7 could be foreshadowing for all we know. And hey, it would be a lot of fun to see Arya-as-Sansa kicking ass.

From the few words Sophie said about her arc in S8, coupled with what seems to be ample foreshadowing in S7, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cersei's goons manage to kidnap Sansa. It would explain Sophie's relative lack of filming time, too.

Interesting tidbit: the production flew Belfast extras to Spain for the Seville shoot (not all the extras used, since apparently Modexpor reached out to Spanish extras from previous seasons as well). Is it a secrecy thing or a continuity thing? 

/Freefolk users in the know report that Sapochnik's crew is in Seville. D&D were spotted there, too. A /Freefolk user in the know (/BoatsexBaby) said that the Seville filming would be for 8x05 and 8x06. 

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SeanC

SeanC

9 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Don't be so sure. Arya could be wearing Sansa's face and change back to Arya at a critical moment; Arya musing about wearing Sansa's face in S7 could be foreshadowing for all we know. And hey, it would be a lot of fun to see Arya-as-Sansa kicking ass.

I’m comfortable in thinking that’s not at all likely.

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From the few words Sophie said about her arc in S8, coupled with what seems to be ample foreshadowing in S7, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cersei's goons manage to kidnap Sansa. It would explain Sophie's relative lack of filming time, too.

Sophie’s filmed about as much or more as she usually does, so I don’t think there’s any need for explanation.  Plus, her being kidnapped would presumably just lead to a bunch of repetitive dialogue scenes with Cersei of the sort the writers are so fond of, so that wouldn’t likely affect her screentime.

As for whether it could happen, sure, there’s nothing to rule it out.  But you might as easily assume based on these filming reports that Tyrion gets kidnapped (or kidnapped as well).

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