Spoiler Discussion Thread

[tv echo]

Regarding the Green Lantern, here's this excerpt from the Hollywood Reporter so unless MG is outright lying or unless things have changed since mid-July 2015, there's no Green Lantern showing up on Arrow:

Diggle (David Ramsey) will finally be getting a superhero identity in season four, and some fans are speculating he could even become DC powerhouse Green Lantern/Jon Stewart. Not so, say the producers, who also listed Green Lantern Hal Jordan as unlikely to appear in the CW superhero universe.

 

"They announced the Green Lantern Corps movie, and I’d be surprised if it didn’t include Hal Jordan," said Gugenheim. "It would be great but I doubt it very much.”

 

Regarding some discussion in the Behind the Mask thread about how JB and KY don't see Malcolm and Maseo as villains, the EPs have said that unlike past villains, Damien Darhk is the first straight-out evil villain they're presenting on Arrow:

-- MG: "When we found out Neal was interested, it... energized us in a way you can't even imagine because Neal is such an amazing actor. The first thing we did was we wanted someone who was a great actor, but then, what Neal also brings to it is an intensity and a darkness that is - I hate to say darkness because it's such a pun, but a darkness to the character of Damien. And Damien's a different kind of villain than we've had on the show before. He's not as stentorian as Ra's, he's not as looney toon as Slade, he's not as -- and people will be surprised I use this word -- but he's not as noble as Malcolm Merlyn. He's pure evil. We wanted someone who was truly, truly malevolent. We've never done that on the show before. All of our Big Bads always thought they were doing - the wrong thing for the right reason. This guy does the wrong thing for the wrong reasons... It's a bad situation to have this guy coming in. And the other thing that we're doing that's different is, in past seasons, you've had to wait 'til usually the mid-season finale to meet the Big Bad and have Oliver confront the Big Bad... We are coming out of the gate strong. We're not waiting and actually, that itself has really energized the show and it infuses even the quote-unquote villain of the week episodes with an epic-ness that they wouldn't otherwise have." (Access Hollywood article, page 69 of Starling City Times thread and page 561 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

 

Regarding how Coast City will play a part this season, here's what MG and SA have said:

-- MG:  “We have a really great surprise for the season premiere for the flashbacks, and it’s made talking about the flashbacks very difficult... We pick up basically in real time. It’s been a number of months later since the last flashback. Oliver is in Coast City, as eagle-eyed viewers noted when he boarded the boat at the end of season 3. What happens there and how he comes to cross with [baron] Reiter, that we need to keep secret because it would spoil a pretty big twist in episode 401.”  (EW article, page 68 of Starling City Times thread and page 559 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

-- SA: "We do spend time in Coast City [in the first episode]... I meet an old friend." (TV Equals video of media interview with SA at SDCC 2015, page 165 of Behind the Mask thread; and Hollywood Reporter article, page 68 of Starling City Times thread)

-- MG: "You haven't seen the last of Coast City.  That's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm allowed to say." (TV Overmind video of media interview with MG and WM at SDCC 2015, page 68 of Starling City TImes thread)

 

We also have these unconfirmed, unverified 4chan references to Coast City:

-- Oliver and Felicity return to Starling City to help Thea, Laurel and Diggle when a new threat emerges in the form of Damien Darhk, the leader of the international criminal syndicate known as H.I.V.E.  In flashbacks, Oliver's journey leads him to Coast City, where he clashes with a shadowy organization known as "Shadowspire" and its leader, the bloodthirsty Baron Reiter. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- Baron Reiter's right-hand man, Conklin, is a sadistic, high-ranking member of Shadowspire who vows to destroy Oliver's life once he crosses paths with the organization in Coast City. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- Oliver's flashback love interest, Ann, is a young woman whom Oliver becomes romantically involved with in Coast City. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

Edited September 1, 2015 by tv echo

[kismet]

Thanks TVEcho! I thought it was basically confirmed in interviews that we are headed to Coast City but Green Lantern will only be hinted & not part of the story, esp not part of Dig's story (despite heavy fan speculation/desire).

 

What I'm interested in though it the last part of the production art. The "come to town when money is tight", is Coast City a really bad town? A line like that makes me think that it is corrupt & run by the underbelly of society (mobs, gangs, criminal organizations, etc). Is that how its portrayed in the comics? Because I could see then how OQ would linger there for awhile in flashbacks. I initially had some problems believing that OQ could be on American soil & hiding from people in plain sight. But in towns & neighborhoods that are not good, one learns to keep their head down & stay out of trouble. So if Coast City is one of those towns, then it becomes very believable that OQ could walk around in plain sight & not be bothered. But I have a hard time believing that is where O/F would choose to settle for their summer hiatus. Perhaps they just visit someone there briefly in ep1 & settle in another sunny suburb/town.

[SmallScreenDiva]

Didn't Marc say in a Tumblr reply that Felicity's card-counting skills were going to be referenced in one of the early episodes? Maybe she and Oliver raised some cash in Coast City while considering what to do next during their road trip. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by SmallScreenDiva

[AyChihuahua]

MG also forgot that Oliver is fluent in Mandarin and that they've done a whole villain's journey already (his reference to Anarky turning into a villain onscreen and them never having done that before) with Slade. He's not all that reliable. More importantly, though, murdering a bunch of innocent people and trying to murder a LOT moe innocent people, plus your wife, is villainous. It's fine that the villains don't think they're villainous, but for the actors playing them to think they're sweet misunderstood guys is delusional.

[tv echo]

-- In response to a fan asking if we're gonna see Felicity in a casino playing cards again because she's so awesome at it, MG: "There’s kind of a reference to it in Ep. 403." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

4x03 is the episode that features Double Down (JR Bourne), the metahuman who can turn his playing card tattoos into deadly weapons.

Edited September 1, 2015 by tv echo

[Guest]

If flashbacks are set in Coast City (at least at the start) when the hell does Oliver become a Bratva captain? Are we supposed to believe that happens the same year he returns to the island in time to pick up where the first episode began?

Edited September 1, 2015 by Guest

[apinknightmare]

It could be this year - since MG said the FBs start in Coast City and then move to a "secret" location (for us).

[Guest]

Oh okay. I must have missed the 'move to a secret location' part. Well I hope that happens. I really like Anatoly and would love to see him again.

[AyChihuahua]

Oliver also has to learn to speak fluent Russian, but the way this show goes that'll probably take him five minutes. I can fanwank that he just has a talent for languages, but it should still take more than a couple months.

Agreed re Anatoly. Love him. That's part of the reason I need a softer version of the Bratva...I really don't want Anatoly involved in trafficking women and children for sex any more than I want Oliver involved in that.

If it turns out to be true that the second-in-command of Shadowspire wants to destroy Oliver, I wonder if Oliver isn't working with them (theorized as part of his "going super dark in the flashbacks journey") or maybe the main guy likes Oliver so the second is jealous?

[tv echo]

From the TV Line article posted on page 19 of the Spoilers thread (tbh, I missed the bolded sentence the first time reading this article)...

FLASHBACK TO BASICS | On the issue of flashbacks — TVLine had pointed out that Oliver’s Hong Kong escapades weren’t nearly as compelling as his island or freighter adventures, nor did they strongly synch up with the present-day arc — Guggenheim met us halfway. “I’ll be honest: The episodic connection, week to week… that cart started to drag the horse for me a bit,” he admitted. “So toward the end of last year I said to the writers, “what we really need to do is not worry so much about the connection between present and past and just tell a really amazing story in the past.'” As a result, the Season 4 flashbacks, which kick off in Coast City but then head to places unknown, have Guggenheim “really happy.” Raved the EP, “I feel like we have our best flashback story ever.”

Edited September 1, 2015 by tv echo

[kismet]

If Coast City is corrupt & the Russian Mafia is entrenched there, than we can get Bratva Oliver without necessarily moving to Russia. Whatever is more budget friendly is probably what we will get. Or he could get started in Coast City & then move to his secret location. I'm really hoping for BratvaOliver this season, so any way they can deliver it to me will probably be good. And I definitely want Anatoly back.

 

Honestly, at this point I hope they just tell us that Oliver spent the boat ride over learning Russian. I don't think him learning languages is that entertaining to watch, so if they just address it in one line than I'll be fine with it. I enjoy hearing the Russian (even if it is probably being butchered), so I hope they do keep that element.

Edited September 1, 2015 by kismet

[AyChihuahua]

Honestly, at this point I hope they just tell us that Oliver spent the boat ride over learning Russian. I don't think him learning languages is that entertaining to watch, so if they just address it in one line than I'll be fine with it. I enjoy hearing the Russian (even if it is probably being butchered), so I hope they do keep that element.

I have no interest in watching him learn a language, but they need to indicate that he has/is. All they have to do is have him speak it in flashbacks. I will NEVER understand why they didn't make the Yamashiros Chinese/Mandarin speakers, other than Guggie forgetting he's supposed to be fluent in Mandarin.

[kismet]

They need to be careful with Oliver not wanting to LP Sara. That's pretty hypocritical. He didn't care a whole lot about repercussions with Thea, so I'd rather he not be too hardcore about the same situation with someone else's sister. Raise concerns, definitely, but full-on object is pretty hypocritical.

I don't think LL/KC can be anything other than bossy, demanding, and stubborn.

^^^From the Laurel section ^^^

 

I think they do have to handle the resurrection carefully. It's why I wish they went the DD route instead of Lance route. But I guess they need to give the Lances something.

 

OQ is not hypocritical if he objects to bringing back SL from the dead. TQ was nearly dead & OQ was willing to sacrifice everything to get her back. I doubt that LL is willing to sacrifice everything to get SL back. And his motivations were probably more selfless. Not to pin anything on LL, but it doesn't seem like she would want to bring back SL out of all pure, non-selfish reasons. So I can understand his objections. Also I think there are definitely going to be bigger side effects to bringing somebody back who has been dead for nearly a year, than someone who is still technically breathing (albeit on a ventilator). OQ has more experience with magic & dealings with bad guys. He knows & has paid the cost of some of these bargains. My thoughts are that he is probably the most experienced from multiple angles with the decision to use the pits (esp if it requires making deals), but I doubt LL will consider his opinion as important.

[dtissagirl]

Oh, Oliver would totally be a hypocrite if his problem is with using the Lazarus Pit to bring Sara back.

 

Which is why I'm hoping this goes differently. If Laurel brings Sara back without Oliver's knowledge, then whatever happens that needs Constantine to show up  -- Sara comes back evil/crazy/believing she's Jesus/a zombie/whatever -- then I'm perfectly good with Oliver being super mad at Laurel for doing something that actively created a problem.

[apinknightmare]

I think it depends on the circumstances, really. Thea wasn't dead - Sara's been dead for over a year. I wouldn't think there was anything wrong with Oliver being against it necessarily (especially if we see Thea having some side effects from it). I think there's also a difference, too, because Thea was run through because Oliver didn't want to take Ra's offer to be the next duster-wearing bejeweled wonder. If he hadn't turned the offer down, Ra's would've never gone that far. Laurel didn't have anything to do with Sara being murdered, so there wouldn't be any atonement issues regarding her desire to bring Sara back.

 

I mean, I think Oliver can be a huge hypocrite, but I don't think taking issue with using the LP would make him one, depending on how it's done.

[Guest]

If Oliver expressed some concern about using the LP, I think that would be fine. Like if he said that everyone should think about it and be aware of it maybe not working properly. That seems logical to me. If, however, he started shouting no, absolutely not, and controlling the situation, then I would have an issue with it, because really it's not up to him.

[AyChihuahua]

If Thea had been totally dead instead of mostly dead, do you really think it would have made any difference to him? I absolutely don't think it would have. Again, it makes perfect sense for him to raise concerns and try to talk LL out of it, but to say no or try to prevent it is hypocritical. That'd be in character, bc he's been a hypocrite a lot, but I'm really, really hoping for personal growth for him in S4.

Oh, and his reasons for LPing Thea weren't selfless. His reasons were plenty selfish, because he "can't lose anyone else." Obviously he wants his sister to live a life, a happy life, but a lot of it is about him. Plus he was willing to risk all of Starling City to do it, which is pretty darn selfish. I don't like LL at all, but she'd be risking a lot less (just Sara's soul, as far as we know), and it's for basically the same reasons: she wants Sara to live and she doesn't want to lose Sara. Oliver needs to start internalizing that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Easy way out of all this is not to involve the Lances in her resurrection. I like the idea that Rip Hunter did it right after Sara died, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

Edited September 1, 2015 by AyChihuahua

[Guest]

The difference is though, that when Oliver chose to put Thea in the pit, time was a sensitive issue. They had to act quickly. Sara has been dead and buried for a year. I think maybe they should bring up Moira on the topic of whether to use the pit on someone who has been buried for so long. How would Oliver feel if he could get his mom back? Thea's situation was different. So I do expect Oliver to have some qualms about it, I just don't want him to act like he has any say in the matter. Ultimately it's up to Quentin and Laurel. But Oliver is allowed an opinion.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Guest

[kismet]

Oliver objecting to using the LP is not hypocritical. I think it would be in character with how he viewed SL & LL as people, as well as his first hand knowledge of the consequences of bringing someone back from the dead & making deals with bad guys. Using the LP, was the only way to save his sister's life, not bring somebody back to life.

 

Oliver preventing them from using the LP would be hypocritical. He can object to it. But he should not prevent it. Similar to how members of his team objected to using it for TQ, but then conceded. At the end of the day, others should be allowed to make their own decisions & deal with the consequences.

 

I hope she is brought back without OQ's consent or knowledge, because then we could avoid this whole entire characterization debacle as to whether it was hypocritical or not, in character or no. Plus I think it would make a better story if LL or QL, use the "Lance method" and just plow ahead without any second thoughts or consideration of consequences. Both OL & LL can be stubborn & bull-headed. I totally see them thinking this is the best decision to bring her back from the dead & consulting/telling no one. Likewise, I see OQ needing to bring in Constantine as a way to save the day & fix the problems the Lances made which is also a good story & frankly typical.

Edited September 1, 2015 by kismet

[apinknightmare]

I do think there is a difference between bringing a half dead/recently dead person back vs. digging one up out of the ground who has been dead for a whole year, yeah.  I really don't think Oliver would've done that if it was Thea.

[dtissagirl]

The main reason I think Sara is gonna suffer some kind of serious consequence [and maybe Thea will get some delayed reaction too] is because Guggenheim said they'll deal with "the Tommy and the Moira of it". They'll have to shut down indiscriminately using the Pit to bring people back, and Sara is gonna be the Cautionary Tale.

 

Edit: I've also been wondering if it's Lance who's driving this arc. If DD tells him he knows of a way to bring Sara back, and Quentin asks Laurel for help. And she won't be able to say no, but she also won't consult with anyone on Team Arrow.

Edited September 1, 2015 by dtissagirl

[Guest]

I agree. I don't think Oliver would bring back anyone who has been dead for so long. I really don't.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Guest

[Morrigan2575]

I really don't expect Oliver to be on-board with bringing Sara back.  Anymore than I think Oliver would want to be brought back himself.  I'm not even sure timing would matter.  

Edited September 1, 2015 by Morrigan2575

[Sakura12]

They have said they will address why they aren't bringing back Moira and Tommy with Sara. Which I think Sara coming back wrong is the reason. Oliver knowing Sara better than Laurel, would know that Sara wouldn't want to be brought back. He heard her say that the only way to be free is to die. Of course that makes me wonder if Sara is in a hell like place like Angel on Buffy.

 

I'm also thinking Constantine is the one that will yell at everyone for messing around with forces they don't understand, which includes Thea's time in the pit. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by Sakura12

[apinknightmare]

Edit: I've also been wondering if it's Lance who's driving this arc. If DD tells him he knows of a way to bring Sara back, and Quentin asks Laurel for help. And she won't be able to say no, but she also won't consult with anyone on Team Arrow.

 

I wonder if Laurel even knows about the LP? No one on the team told her exactly what happened to Thea, although I'm guessing someone could've told her off screen or over the hiatus or whatever.

[dtissagirl]

Yeah, I'm working under the assumption that Thea told Laurel everything that happened to her.

 

But also, I'm wondering if Thea is hiding the side effects from the others [this show does like it when characters keep secrets]. Not knowing the consequences for Thea is kind of a pre-requisite for Laurel and/or Lance to go all LET'S RAISE THE DEAD, WHEEE.

Edited September 1, 2015 by dtissagirl

[Chaser]

Raising the dead is such a bad idea. I've seen Hocus Pocus.

[AyChihuahua]

Hocus Pocus is the best!

I agree Oliver wouldn't want to be brought back, but he has always had different rules for himself and everyone else, and he extends that to his actions towards his friends/family. I find it maddening. And again, if Thea had been actually dead, he still would have put her in the LP and brought her back. However, we may be arguing basically the same point, in that I don't mind if he objects or raises concerns any more than I didn't mind that Felicity objected/raised concerns. I care if he says no or tries to prevent it.

[apinknightmare]

I agree. I don't think Oliver would bring back anyone who has been dead for so long. I really don't.

 

Yeah, this is why I won't consider him a hypocrite or take issue if he is against bringing Sara back from the dead. Never in a million years do I think he would dig up Thea's rotting corpse to put it in the Lazarus Pit, so I'll understand if he doesn't want to do it for Sara, either. 

[Morrigan2575]

Yeah, this is why I won't consider him a hypocrite or take issue if he is against bringing Sara back from the dead. Never in a million years do I think he would dig up Thea's rotting corpse to put it in the Lazarus Pit, so I'll understand if he doesn't want to do it for Sara, either. 

Why do i have a feeling this false equivalence will get brought up on the show?

[Guest]

Of course it will! Oliver will express his concern/worries and then Laurel will be all 'You did it for Thea!' grrr grrr. I'm anticipating the O/L disagreements already. 

[Sakura12]

I wonder if they'll bring up or tell Laurel that Sara tried to kill herself before to get away from the League. 

[Guest]

I wonder if they'll bring up or tell Laurel that Sara tried to kill herself before to get away from the League. 

 

Nah. They should have bought that up at the end of s2, except then it would have made even less sense for Laurel to be smiling like a loon at getting the precious leather jacket while Sara went back to the League she hated.

[GreatAtBoats]

Why would they bring up that Sara tried to kill herself since it has no relevance to the issue at hand? Yeah, she ran away from the League knowing it would mark her for death but until that decision came back around to hurt her family, she was willing to fight as long and hard as she could to stay alive. However much of a bullshit story decision it was, Sara willingly chose to go back to the League, and she didn't seem suicidal in any of her appearances after that. I don't see why her willingness to die to protect her family should be brought up in a debate about resurrecting her.

[Sakura12]

Because maybe they should let Sara rest in peace? Raising someone from the dead isn't something that should be done without thinking about it. Bringing up that Sara tried to kill herself before and has said the only way to be free is to die is something they should talk about.  But being tv, characters never talk about the important things unless the plot calls for it. 

 

I'm still hoping it's not Lance or Because Comics that bring her back. Having it be DD or Rip works better for me since DD doesn't care about Sara and Rip may know she's needed in the future or something. 

 

I'm beyond thrilled that Sara's coming back, she's the only reason I'm watching Arrow this season, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be character development while bringing her back. Things need be said and talked about. Laurel can have all these meaningful scenes with Sara's girlfriend but not about what happened with her own sister? 

Edited September 1, 2015 by Sakura12

[AyChihuahua]

Of course it will! Oliver will express his concern/worries and then Laurel will be all 'You did it for Thea!' grrr grrr. I'm anticipating the O/L disagreements already.

They need to start showing O and L getting along, at least as friends/colleagues. So maybe they won't go the route we're discussing. There are so many options for this story, so it would be nice if they wouldn't choose the worst way to get where they want to go.

I am not as sure as some here that he wouldn't throw Thea's rotting corpse in the LP. Probably not, but he did say he would do "anything, ANYTHING" to save his sister (which, really...would you strangle puppies? murder Digg?). I 100% believe if she was say 12 hours dead he would toss her in.

[apinknightmare]

If she hadn't been buried yet, he totally would. I think that actually-been-buried kind of dead is where he'd probably draw the line. Actually-been-buried dead for over a year? I just can't believe he'd ever do it.

 

I'm hoping that Damien Darhk or someone actually pulls the trigger on digging Sara up and uses bringing her back as some kind of incentive to get Quentin and/or Laurel to do something that he wants and that it isn't some kind of "we can do this, so let's do this" thing. Because in case no one can tell, the thought of digging up Sara's corpse really squicks me out. 

[AyChihuahua]

So Wendy Mericle says they didn't come all this way with O/F "to break them up right away." Yikes. The "right away" is a bit concerning. I'm hoping they'll stay together at least this season before the nearly inevitable breakup (and probably just as inevitable reunion).

[Belinea]

I fully expect them to break O/F up down the road. Some stupid reason will come up and they will break up. I just have a hard time imaging how they come back from that relationship. If it is serious and they try to throw a lot of stuff at them and O/F cannot deal with everything, one would think that the relationship would ultimately be over. (Something like: Love is there but it is not enough to make it work)  But what will they do after that? Have a lot of unnecessary angst again or go back to previous love interests. (I still hope that MG sees L/O as 'the lack of chemistry' couple. But I don't trust them at all)  It just frustrates me. 

 

And maybe it is just me but I feel like they are really playing their cards close to the vest this year. (Maybe it is just a false impression on my part) They release some superficial things but no pictures, no trailers and seemingly always the same kind of spoiler. 

[dtissagirl]

I think these scattered tidbits from the EPs are still coming from the TCA press tour, that's why they're repetitive.

[apinknightmare]

It'd be nice to know what WM was asked. It could just be that someone mentioned that O/F went on half a date and then broke up for the entire season in S3, and she used "right away" in reference to that? I fully expect them to break up at some point, I just hope it's not this season.

[Guest]

It's crazy to expect O/F to stay together all the time. This is Arrow. They're bound to break up at some point. I hope it's not this season at least. They went through so much last season and I'd like to see more than angst for a while but who knows? 

[dtissagirl]

I'm expecting at least one instance of tricking the audience into thinking O/F are about to break up, but psych! They talk it out by the end of the same episode.

[kismet]

Is it really a spoiler that O/F might break up at some point? We've all watched enough TV over the years that point towards relationships not lasting without some possible break-up unless its the final season. I'm not saying when or to what extent they will break up, but its almost inevitable that they hit a tough spot with a possible split that will be resolved by them getting back together. Like others, I just hope O/F make it through this season without breaking up. After last season, we deserve at least that much.

[Chaser]

The "right now" doesn't bother me. They spent a lot of time talking about seeing Oliver in this relationship and how it relates to his new outlook. They are even bringing in a 'dark' love interest to contrast his 'light' relationship with Felicity. They will hit a rough patch eventually and probably take a break.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Oliver and Felicity break up when the flashback relationship does, only for Olicity to get back together in contrast.

[wonderwall]

It would be weak to see Oliver/Felicity break up because they can't deal with everything because they've been dealing for 2 years already. And it would also be weak to see if Oliver/Felicity can't overcome something big but then have Oliver get back together w/ Laurel after years of him crapping on her basically. 

 

Basically if they do go down that route I don't think it would be believable?

 

That being said I don't think the show will keep Oliver/Felicity together forever. I think they could break them up. I just hope they don't because that's just cheap drama. Just keep them together. Let them have their issues. But let them work through it as a team. Let them be Eric and Tami Taylor.

[GreatAtBoats]

Because maybe they should let Sara rest in peace? Raising someone from the dead isn't something that should be done without thinking about it. Bringing up that Sara tried to kill herself before and has said the only way to be free is to die is something they should talk about.  But being tv, characters never talk about the important things unless the plot calls for it. 

 

I'm still hoping it's not Lance or Because Comics that bring her back. Having it be DD or Rip works better for me since DD doesn't care about Sara and Rip may know she's needed in the future or something. 

 

I'm beyond thrilled that Sara's coming back, she's the only reason I'm watching Arrow this season, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be character development while bringing her back. Things need be said and talked about. Laurel can have all these meaningful scenes with Sara's girlfriend but not about what happened with her own sister? 

The issue of whether to resurrect someone that's been dead for a year would be one that needs to be addressed regardless of whether or not Sara ever tried to kill herself, though.

She didn't try to kill herself because she generally wanted to die. She tried to kill herself to protect her family who is, as far as we know, no longer in danger. If she was being resurrected following that or another suicide attempt, then it would be relevant. But this has nothing to do with that. She was murdered. We have nothing to suggest she wanted to die in that moment. So the previous suicide attempt is irrelevant.

Oliver brought Sara back immediately following that suicide attempt. He knew that Sara had purposely ingested the poison to kill herself because of the threat the League posed and ignored Sara's choice for no other reason than he didn't want to lose her again, and this was before Nyssa had freed her from the League so the very thing she was trying to escape was, at the time he decided to impose his will on her, still an issue. Should that come up at some point? It was never addressed.

To be clear, I'm not saying reviving someone who is dying or has just died seconds earlier is the same as digging up a year-old corpse and trying to resurrect the person as far as consequences go, but in regards specifically to not respecting someone's wishes or letting them rest in peace, Oliver is just as guilty of that as Laurel might be, if not more so. I personally had a huge problem with Oliver making that call and still do, but I seem to be in the minority on that and I can only guess people give him a pass because they know that he wasn't thinking clearly and/or because they know Sara didn't really want to end her life so long as her family wasn't hurt because of her.

[Starfish35]

She didn't try to kill herself because she generally wanted to die. She tried to kill herself to protect her family who is, as far as we know, no longer in danger.

If it had been just about protecting her family she would have said "fine Nyssa I'll go back with you, leave my family alone" and everything's peachy. She tried to kill herself because she couldn't face going back to the league, and Nyssa wasn't otherwise taking no for an answer.

[apinknightmare]

Sara didn't try to kill herself to save her family, she tried to kill herself so she wouldn't have to go back to the League. Which made the ending of S2 all the more stupid, but what's done is done. But yeah, the fact that she did that shouldn't have any bearing on her being resurrected. The fact that she's been rotting away in the ground for over a year should though, haha.

[kismet]

I gotta agree that Sara's suicide should have no bearing on this decision to bring her back from the dead or not. It might come up in conversation, but I don't think it should be the reason. She did not die as a result of her choice or suicide - she was murdered. Whether resurrecting someone 1 year after they have died should be discussed. Whether Sara would want to be LP & brought back from the dead should be considered. From what they showed on TV, I would say that Oliver & Nyssa probably are the two people who would currently know more about what Sara would want. Laurel should know more, but the writers never bothered to write them as having a close relationship.

 

As for Oliver's role in rescuing Sara from her suicide attempt in s2. That to me was just what first responders are trained to do. In the medical profession, people rescue people from suicide attempts all the time. Heck even first responders are carrying Narcan around now to reverse overdoses. I don't see OQ using his herbal antidotes in s2 on the same equivalency as using the LP for either TQ or SL. He was trying to reverse the effects of the poisons/toxins. That to me was heroic, not blatantly forcing his will or going against SL's wishes. I don't think SL was suicidal, I think she was just very desperate to save her family & leave the league. I'm not sure she really wanted to kill herself.

 

Honestly, this is why I have been wanting DD or MM to be behind the resurrection of SL since it was rumored. I don't want any of her loved ones to be raising SL from the dead dead.