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Me for all of last summer hiatus and 5A: Me after reading the WM interview from a few weeks back about Felicity's arc giving her a more profound understanding of Oliver: Me after r

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I tend to think that trying to make KC a place on the show had a ripple effect that did hurt the show pretty badly.  She's what turned Quentin stupid and into a creepy stalker.  So that wipes off the

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They'd…they'd have to be stupid to kill off another woman this season right?

 

Omg they are probably going to kill another woman. 

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SleepDeprived

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I don't think they'd kill off Lyla in 3x17. Or anyone, actually. Because Felicity is heading over to The Flash in 1x18 and that episode is supposed to take place after all the events in 3x17. It would be more than a little weird, callous even, for Felicity to take off for Central City and be concerned with having the S.T.A.R. labs people work on Palmer's robot suit if someone from, or a loved one of, Team Arrow had just been killed.

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Jessie2009

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That interview had me worried until I remembered that's exactly how they were sounding in interviews after the Sara/Oliver hook up. Before the hook up, they were playing up Olicity and implying that Oliver was jealous and then they started avoiding Olicity questions about their feelings for each other, then they broke up, had the Olicity stuff in the finale, and implied that he meant the I Love You. So I'm not too worried about that. I'm actually wondering if Andrew Kreisberg's interviews about how she'll have to decide between Oliver and Ray is more accurate than this one where MG is trying to play down Olicity. I think Kreisberg is probably less involved with the script for each episode and is more involved with the major directions they head with the characters like who Felicity will pick by the end of the season, where Guggenheim is probably teasing stuff for each script and the coming episodes. I'm not too thrilled if she has to choose between the two though.

 

If I'm wrong, and they did just do the Olicity stuff to get it over with, then its just stupid. If they didn't want to go all the way with Olicity, they should have just had Felicity gradually get over her feelings for Oliver and stopped teasing them so much. They just made it worse. This is something that I've noticed that showrunners never seem to get on other shows either. They for some reason  think the fans will back off somewhat if they get what they want in some form, whether it be a kiss or a hookup. But it never works. It just makes the fans get louder. 

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SmallScreenDiva

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From the Entertainment Weekly article about Lance finding out about Sara ...

 

Given the show’s dynamic of characters keeping those secrets, those secrets eventually coming to light and the characters who kept them having to deal with the consequences of their actions ...

 

And I thought this storyline couldn't get any worse. The lying from the very beginning was on Laurel. And the FULL BURDEN of the consequences should stay with Laurel. No spreading the guilt. I know Felicity created that software thingie but this was after MONTHS of Laurel lying to her father. No, this should all be on Laurel. And no fast-tracking either. The writers want me to feel anything for this character, then for the first time in her life, they better make her own up to something she's done and accept the consequences.

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Chaser

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I feel like one of the reasons they had Felicity and Diggle go along with Laurel's deception, was so they could share the burden of guilt. They can be her support team instead of being properly horrified.

Its a cheap move, but that is a good description for her arc.

Team Arrow had Lance's trust and respect. This is how they repayed that. For no reason other then to make Laurel feel alone. Which made No Sense.

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DrSpaceman10

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I hope no one comes back from the dead, there are already too many characters as it is. Now that Malcolm and Thea are going to be in the Foundry, that's seven characters (Oliver/Diggle/Felicity/Roy/Laurel/Thea/Malcolm) and potentially Ray in future episodes. 

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statsgirl

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They share Laurel's guilt so it's not all on her, and it also makes the team accept her more since they're helping her LIE TO HER FATHER..

 

If Tommy comes back as The Dark Archer, he wouldn't be in the lair though because he'd be a bad guy.

 

I hope to God they don't kill off Lyla Diggle is needed in Team Arrow and him being a single dad would completely change things and I don't want Sad Diggle :(

 

I think making Diggle a single dad would be tantamount to removing him from the show because 1) he would need two nannies because of his hours and 2) he wouldn't go out in the field because that would leave Sara an orphan.  So doubt it's going to happen.

 

In ep 317, does the wedding happen before or after the Suicide Squad mission?

 

The thing is we never saw Tommy's funeral or his burial.. we just saw the stone. OQ ran off to the island. MM was "dead" at the time. So, if MM was involved in transporting Tommy's body to any pit, it could have reasonably been done without many people noticing.

I always wondered who arranged for Tommy's funeral and headstone.  Fanfiction usually has it as Luarel but I think it's more likely to be one of MM's lawyers, in which case, no problem in transporting the body.

 

Looptab, replying to you in the Hopes and Fears thread.

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wonderwall

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Best thing I read about the whole sharing guilt thing:

 

“Given the show’s dynamic of characters keeping those secrets, those secrets eventually coming to light and the characters who kept them having to deal with the consequences of their actions….”

See, nah… Don’t feed me shit and call it caviar.


I like how they all of a sudden shifted this to CHARACTERS (who kept this secret) and of course the use of the word THEM in relation to consequences, and no sign of HER facing the full weight of HER disturbing choice and actions regarding her dead sister.

 

See, folks - this right here is one more reason why Laurel Lance will always be despised. They push to sell this character off the backs of every good character on this show is so hard that the writing has become too blatantly disrespectful to the intelligence of viewers to ignore it.

This chick just spent 11 episodes, MONTHS, lying to this man about his kid and pretending like she’s alive, and instead of them having her own the consequences of her sick actions, they bring an entire group of people that had nothing to do with it, in on her lie for ONE episode, just so she didn’t have to face the weight of consequences for her deception alone.

 

No, she has to share those consequences with people that had absolutely nothing to do with it. Other characters have to share the burden of propping her up. The heavy lifting that is required to prop Laurel Lance and keep her viable on Arrow continues to take it’s toll on the show’s credibility for solid and compelling writing.

 

And it’s complete and utter bullshit.

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catrox14

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I always wondered who arranged for Tommy's funeral and headstone.  Fanfiction usually has it as Luarel but I think it's more likely to be one of MM's lawyers, in which case, no problem in transporting the body.

 

Looptab, replying to you in the Hopes and Fears thread.

 

SWERVE: Oliver resurrects him.

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catrox14

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Good grief. When that BTS thing came out I thought, oh surely that will get better but NOPE.  KC still cannot throw a good fake punch to save her life.   And seriously...again...she's going to punch the guy who has already shot 3 people??  Why didn't she just try to knock the gun out of his hand??? The stupid it burns......

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foreverevolving

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It kinda disgusts me that that punch is what Felicity said was her favorite part it looked weak as Fuck

Just looks? It is. Hell i can throw a better punch and I'm far less trianed than Fakanary (unless you count that bit of Krav Maga I learned during boot camp over ten years ago- in that case i can probably be a better black canary than her).

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Chaser

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Good grief. When that BTS thing came out I thought, oh surely that will get better but NOPE.  KC still cannot throw a good fake punch to save her life.   And seriously...again...she's going to punch the guy who has already shot 3 people??  Why didn't she just try to knock the gun out of his hand??? The stupid it burns……

Does she just run up and punch a guy holding a gun? And he doesn't shot her? Was it a sneak run or something?

 

I refuse to watch the clip. So I probably shouldn't ask, but..

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apinknightmare

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Wait, what? When was Oliver fighting Roy? Did they confirm the other guy in the green suit from pic SA posted is Roy?

 

Look in the SPOILERS thread - nothing confirmed, just spec based on a pic over there.

Does she just run up and punch a guy holding a gun? And he doesn't shot her? Was it a sneak run or something?

 

I refuse to watch the clip. So I probably shouldn't ask, but..

 

She ran at him from the side while he was tripping on some Vertigo looking at some Voldemorts.

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So, the other day Oliver was fighting Roy dressed as The Arrow? And since there are Central City cops in Starling, maybe something does happen to Felicity over on The Flash?

 

Yeah, it looks that way. The question is, why? Why is Oliver fighting Roy?

 

It's possible whatever starts over in The Flash in 118 spills over to 318. I wouldn't be surprised.

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catrox14

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Does she just run up and punch a guy holding a gun? And he doesn't shot her? Was it a sneak run or something?

 

I refuse to watch the clip. So I probably shouldn't ask, but..

 

She is standing a few feet to the side from the guy. He's holding the gun out in front of him apparently deciding whether to continue shooting wildly. She literally runs towards him with her briefcase in one and on fairly high heels. And naturally, she takes him out with one punch LOLOLOL.   If I roll my eyes anymore they will fall out of my head...

 

Even worse, everyone else hits the deck or runs away when the guy starts shooting but Laurel just stands there. I'm sure I'm supposed to admire her bravery. But I'm mostly thinking....why didn't you just hit him with your briefcase....

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apinknightmare

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Yeah, it looks that way. The question is, why? Why is Oliver fighting Roy?

 

It's possible whatever starts over in The Flash in 118 spills over to 318. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Maybe Roy gets taken to the Pit and this is his batshit crazy lashing-out period.

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Chaser

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Maybe Roy gets taken to the Pit and this is his batshit crazy lashing-out period.

I have a better theory. He is spending a lot of time with Laurel and she convinces him to get in on the Identity Theft action. But because it can't be obvious, I'm thinking they call him the Green Arrow.

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Maybe Roy gets taken to the Pit and this is his batshit crazy lashing-out period.

 

Lol. Why would he be wearing the Arrow suit though? And how/why do they even have a second Arrow suit that fits him? I can't even begin to speculate on this because I honestly don't know what's going on with Roy. Does he even have a story arc of his own? 

 

Eh. Maybe he was mind raped by Malcolm too. Heard that's going around.

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apinknightmare

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Lol. Why would he be wearing the Arrow suit though? And how/why do they even have a second Arrow suit that fits him? I can't even begin to speculate on this because I honestly don't know what's going on with Roy. Does he even have a story arc of his own? 

 

Eh. Maybe he was mind raped by Malcolm too. Heard that's going around.

 

Could be that Malcolm slipped him something and is having him go out as Arrow to further ruin Oliver's shitty life. 

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Apparently that photo of Roy was taken today and they started filming 318 today, but wasn't that picture of the two Arrow's from last week? 

 

I'm so confused. 

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apinknightmare

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Apparently that photo of Roy was taken today and they started filming 318 today, but wasn't that picture of the two Arrow's from last week? 

 

I'm so confused. 

 

It was. Could be that scene was at the end of the previous episode (maybe there's been a doppleganger running around and he's finally unmasked at the end of the ep?).

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Guest

It was. Could be that scene was at the end of the previous episode (maybe there's been a doppleganger running around and he's finally unmasked at the end of the ep?).

 

 

There's another spoilery picture of Quentin pointing a gun at Roy dressed as Arrow, like he's going to arrest him. Is this the fallout of Quentin being lied to, seeing as all the blame will be carried by the whole team now? Smh.

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Morrigan2575

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So, the other day Oliver was fighting Roy dressed as The Arrow? And since there are Central City cops in Starling, maybe something does happen to Felicity over on The Flash?

I was actually thinking Roy went to Central City as The Arrow, no idea why. SA said 3 more crossovers before end of season. Felicity/Ray go to Flash in 118, maybe Roy has scenes in Central City with someone from Flash?

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wonderwall

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Maybe episode 18 of Arrow starts off in Central City where Felicity has probably just been injured and in the hospital? Maybe the injury is so great that they have to med-evac her to Starling for a specialist? IDK

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catrox14

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I've been hoping that Malcolm dosed Oliver in The Calm and this whole thing has been a combo MM-druggery and Vertigo hallucinations.  Oliver will wake up on the mountain having killed Ra's and Felicity is waiting for him with open arms in the Lair.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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kismet

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What if Malcolm uses what he used on Thea on the other members of Team Arrow to try to isolate them from Oliver somehow? Maybe he drugs Roy Laurel Diggle and Felicity somehow? Just a theory!

So there will literally be some spiked kool-aid for them to drink? Its kinda funny to think about. Could see Roy easily getting drugged, I mean that speech in 312 came out of nowhere simply cuz thea bashed her eyelashes at him.
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jay741982

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I've been hoping that Malcolm dosed Oliver in The Calm and this whole thing has been a combo MM-druggery and Vertigo hallucinations.  Oliver will wake up on the mountain having killed Ra's and Felicity is waiting for him with open arms in the Lair.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Oh if only lol

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pigs-in-space

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Not to mention that he knows Roy ain't him. And Roy knows he knows, so what would be the point, unless Roy's out of his damn fool mind? 

Well, Quentin can't exactly say so without admitting that he knew who one of the vigilantes was and didn't turn him in.

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jay741982

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I'm wondering if Oliver goes off the rails a bit. It would match up with the whole Atom at odds with Arrow. Maybe Roy takes up Arrow after whatever happens.

Sad to say I think one main reason ATOM and Arrow will be at odds is Felicity.

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