Unpopular Opinions

[iknowyouknow]

As I'm rewatching, I'm developing the very popular opinion that instead of getting more and more unlikable with every passing season, Piper is actually the most lovable and sympathetic in S6 than she had been since her brief peak in S1. A others have said, being a mother brings out the generous, loving, fierce yet soft facets of Piper's character, and it's lovely watching her do something other than criticize Leo and her sisters while whining about having to be a witch in every scene! Her relationship brings out the angry shrew in her, so the two of them being separated for most of this season actually serves the character well imo, especially when she comes to a point of sage acceptance about Leo not being there and focuses on the other areas of her life instead. I love her a heck of a lot more than I did when she was so sour and querulous over less important issues in S2 and S3.

I realize this is unpopular, so please be kind! 

[Guest]

Except the time they spend apart is spent moaning about them being apart? 

I'd have enjoyed it more if she did just focus on being a mom (I remember this was her resolve once they knew Wyatt was going to be turned evil) but then the plot becomes all about dates and getting her laid. Not always because of Piper, sometimes Phoebe and Paige forcing it on her and not thinking "Actually, she has a small child who is in danger, is a witch, and has just got divorced so she actually has priorities beyond dating at this point". 

 

I loved Piper in season 5. Until the finale tbh. The point where Leo suddenly had a problem with her sisters being there all the time (In THEIR house, imagine? You wouldn't think that HE was the houseguest, not them.) in order to fabricate marriage trouble. 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Lost

[alonenotlonely]

I just saw the series again and am very excited to find others who still care about the Charmed Ones! You all probably won't be as excited to have found me once you see how unpopular my opinions are :-) I'm so glad we have this safe space to confess without reprisal.

• I'm probably far too old to use ship as a verb, but I will when I confess that I "ship" Phoebe and Cole. I may even be an honorary captain. ;) Are you all correct when you point out how toxic aspects of their dynamic were? Absolutely. But as a consumer of fiction, I look for very different things than I would in real life, and I found myself very invested in them. Chemistry varies so much from viewer to viewer, but I'm in the camp who thinks they had a surplus of chemistry, passion and a true connection. They bring up themes and potential stories that really resonate with me, inspiring me to become the oldest fanfiction writer in fandom history as I grapple with what they were and could have been. I concur with the fan who said that Cole is a layered and compelling character, especially when contrasted with the other Charmed males who were such nonentities and seemed lacking in any personality or human complexity at all. This is just me - I respect that much of the fandom dislikes them. 

 

• I'm in the dwindling minority who loves Phoebe. Scratch that: I love Phoebe through most of the first four seasons. I refuse to acknowledge the Phoebe of later seasons as the real Phoebe and tell myself that she was actually a shapeshifter :) The real Phoebe was impulsive and free-spirited in ways that could sometimes manifest as carelessness and selfishness, but she was also warmhearted, compassionate, devoted to helping people in peril, patient, forgiving, optimistic, encouraging, creative and so much more. The Phoebe who was obsessed with finding a husband when the real Phoebe wasn't sure she could ever see herself married at all, who was ruthlessly obsessed with her career while the real Phoebe valued family and people in general far beyond anything resembling professional success, and the Phoebe who became spiritless when the real Phoebe was the opposite? I refuse to accept her as the real Phoebe. #blissfuldenial

 

• I wish Leo had left for good at the end of S1. I tried to care about Leo and Piper's relationship but could never manage it. More importantly, as others here have noted, Leo's presence gave us an entire series of the "elders" playing a far bigger role in the sisters' lives than I would have liked. It led to less resourcefulness and autonomy on the part of the sisters and less interesting storylines in general. 

 

• Until reading this thread, I honestly thought I was the only fan who would pick Piper as my least favorite sister. The posts here made me wonder if I just don't think the right actress was cast in the role, as Holly Marie Combs is more of a hardened, snarky person who always looks like she's sucking on a particularly sour lemon. Maybe she would have been better as a character like Prue, though I did like Shannon Dougherty in that role. But the writing is to blame too. Like someone said, in an eight-season show about witches, having one main character sulk and whine in every single episode about being a witch is bound to get tiresome. And sulking and whining about everything else while she was at it. I'm probably more like Piper than the other sisters, but instead of finding her relatable, I just dislike her. Phoebe's advice column would probably say it's because I see things in Piper that I dislike in myself!  I think my order would go Phoebe of Early Seasons, Prue and Paige in a deadlock for the silver medal, Piper and Phoebe of Later seasons in a race to the bottom of my rankings

I'm now going to talk your collective ears off in the thread for favorite seasons and episodes!

Edited June 18, 2018 by alonenotlonely

[Charmedfan23479]

What if, and hear me out here. The fourth charmed one instead of Paige was a boy and that was the reason for patty and Sam to give him up because they thought it being a boy would mess everything up

Edited August 6, 2018 by Charmedfan23479

[Guest]

Wouldn't work. The foundation of the show is sisters and the chemistry between them. A brother just doesn't fit into that. 

It would be like killing off a brother in Supernatural and giving the survivor a sister. It's an entirely different dynamic. 

[magicdog]

There had been quite a few discussions back in the day about if Warren sons had magical abilities or were automatic carriers who would sire witchy daughters.  Of course, Grams announced that no males had been born into the Warren line until Wyatt & Chris came along.  Personally, I liked the idea of having male witches born into the family - just not Charmed ones necessarily.

[Apprentice79]

33 minutes ago, magicdog said:

There had been quite a few discussions back in the day about if Warren sons had magical abilities or were automatic carriers who would sire witchy daughters.  Of course, Grams announced that no males had been born into the Warren line until Wyatt & Chris came along.  Personally, I liked the idea of having male witches born into the family - just not Charmed ones necessarily.

I always thought it was short-sighted that Grams Brother was never included in the series. He should have had a Warren power as well. If he had kids who had powers as well, but, were not charmed. It would have added another layer of potential problems for the sisters. It never made any sense to me that no males were born into the family, given that it is the men that determines the sex of a child in conception. 

[magicdog]

18 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

It never made any sense to me that no males were born into the family, given that it is the men that determines the sex of a child in conception. 

One could argue that the magic of the prophecy was forcing itself to come true by having all Warren daughters to be born until the three sisters were finally born.  Of course that was never brought up.  Having male Warrens prior to Wyatt and Chris would have been potentially interesting - not to mention interesting family reunions.  The girls seemed to only have each other (and their father amongst the living relations) and it would have been nice to have magical cousins visiting and helping out from time to time.

[Apprentice79]

47 minutes ago, magicdog said:

One could argue that the magic of the prophecy was forcing itself to come true by having all Warren daughters to be born until the three sisters were finally born.  Of course that was never brought up.  Having male Warrens prior to Wyatt and Chris would have been potentially interesting - not to mention interesting family reunions.  The girls seemed to only have each other (and their father amongst the living relations) and it would have been nice to have magical cousins visiting and helping out from time to time.

It would have been cool to see Warren cousins that were not charmed. Perhaps, one had premonitions like Phoebe and we would see how it manifested differently in Phoebe because she is charmed.  The show never showed Patty and Piper using their freezing powers in an episode and how similar and dissimilar their shared powers were..

[Esmeralda]

I like the idea of Leo being a whitelighter for the reason why the boys were boys.  It would also work for Henry Jr, who I have the unpopular opinion that he *is* Paige and Henry's blood son and has the same powers as Chris, despite what the comics do. I hate the idea that because Henry is non-magical (I don't call him mortal, since the sisters are mortal, too), Paige's kids are less powerful.  Patty marrying a non-magical (Victor) didn't stop the sisters from being the most powerful witches ever and the same should be true for Paige and Henry's kids. 

But I must admit that I *really* like the idea that Warren males didn't have powers until the three Charmed Ones were born.  This means males of other lines could/would still have powers.

[Guest]

Henry Jr isn't Paige and Henry's blood son in the comics? Yikes. 

I always thought the use of the word mortal was odd. I remember them using it in Sabrina, but in that show witches lived forever (or at least for hundreds of years). As far as I know, in the Charmedverse, witches and warlocks didn't have lifespans longer than the average human anyway. 

They just kind of used the word like muggle from Harry Potter, to mean non-magical. 

23 hours ago, Esmeralda said:

But I must admit that I *really* like the idea that Warren males didn't have powers until the three Charmed Ones were born.  This means males of other lines could/would still have powers.

Wasn't it part of the show's lore that the Warren line never had any males until Wyatt? Isn't that why Grams is so disappointed/horrified when Piper has a son? 

She says in Necromancing the Stone "Oh-oh, well, I don't mean wrong, wrong. It's just that we've always had girls."

So, not so much that males didn't have powers before the Charmed Ones, there weren't any. Lol. 

Maybe their genetics stopped forcing girls each time once they finally provided the Charmed Ones (plus a handy back up) and thought it's safe to have boys now. ;)

Edited August 26, 2018 by Lost

[Guest]

On 21/08/2018 at 10:22 PM, Apprentice79 said:

It would have been cool to see Warren cousins that were not charmed. Perhaps, one had premonitions like Phoebe and we would see how it manifested differently in Phoebe because she is charmed.  The show never showed Patty and Piper using their freezing powers in an episode and how similar and dissimilar their shared powers were..

We see Patty use her freezing power in P3 H20, and it seems to work exactly as Piper's does. 

[Apprentice79]

26 minutes ago, Lost said:

We see Patty use her freezing power in P3 H20, and it seems to work exactly as Piper's does. 

I know but I wanted to see how more powerful Piper's freezing in relation to Patty's. Pier was more powerful than Patty, even though the show never did anything with her freezing power. It never grew or change. It was a waste, just like Phoebe's premonitions.  Prue went from channeling her powers with her eyes, then as it grew, she was able to do that with her hands. I wanted that type of progression with Piper and Phoebe..

[Esmeralda]

17 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I know but I wanted to see how more powerful Piper's freezing in relation to Patty's. Pier was more powerful than Patty, even though the show never did anything with her freezing power. It never grew or change. It was a waste, just like Phoebe's premonitions.  Prue went from channeling her powers with her eyes, then as it grew, she was able to do that with her hands. I wanted that type of progrefrssion with Piper and Phoebe..

I was *very* glad when Penny's TK was the same as Prue's TK and Patty's freezing was the same as Piper's - it meant that it wasn't their powers getting stronger that made the sisters Charmed - it was the fact that they had the three powers that Melinda Warren had (and her three worked EXACTLY like the Charmed Ones...) and were three sisters. It was part of what I hated about Wyatt - him having powers that were more powerful than any previous Warren which made no sense outside of trying to make the show more male-centric. 

[Apprentice79]

27 minutes ago, Esmeralda said:

I was *very* glad when Penny's TK was the same as Prue's TK and Patty's freezing was the same as Piper's - it meant that it wasn't their powers getting stronger that made the sisters Charmed - it was the fact that they had the three powers that Melinda Warren had (and her three worked EXACTLY like the Charmed Ones...) and were three sisters. It was part of what I hated about Wyatt - him having powers that were more powerful than any previous Warren which made no sense outside of trying to make the show more male-centric. 

True, however, Melinda's powers were supposed to manifest differently in  the sisters.. Theoretically, Prue could do things with her TK that Grams could not do..

[CTrent29]

I think Constance Burge's handling of Season 2 nearly sabotaged the series for me.  I was never that impressed by it and the show seemed to be stuck in some kind of artistic rut.  I thought Season 3 was a great improvement of the series.  But the whole Source story arc from the second half of Season 4 pretty much destroyed the series for me.  And it all went downhill from there.

 

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As much as I loved Prue. I hated that she became very good at throwing punches. I do agree that it made sense for Phoebe to good at martial arts.

Prue had started her martial arts training in Season 2.  But she didn't really get to use it, until Season 3.  And honestly, I thought Shannen Doherty made a better on-screen fighter than Alyssa Milano.

 

I never understood why the series didn't recognize Paige's TK for what it really was . . . teleportation.  "Orbing" or "telekinetic orbing" just sounded ridiculous to me.

Edited September 7, 2018 by CTrent29

[Guest]

On 26/08/2018 at 4:24 AM, Apprentice79 said:

I know but I wanted to see how more powerful Piper's freezing in relation to Patty's. Pier was more powerful than Patty, even though the show never did anything with her freezing power. It never grew or change. It was a waste, just like Phoebe's premonitions.  Prue went from channeling her powers with her eyes, then as it grew, she was able to do that with her hands. I wanted that type of progression with Piper and Phoebe..

We saw a glimpse in the future episode of season 2. Piper would be able to freeze a larger area. 

On 07/09/2018 at 6:28 PM, CTrent29 said:

I think Constance Burge's handling of Season 2 nearly sabotaged the series for me.  I was never that impressed by it and the show seemed to be stuck in some kind of artistic rut.  I thought Season 3 was a great improvement of the series.  But the whole Source story arc from the second half of Season 4 pretty much destroyed the series for me.  And it all went downhill from there.

 

Prue had started her martial arts training in Season 2.  But she didn't really get to use it, until Season 3.  And honestly, I thought Shannen Doherty made a better on-screen fighter than Alyssa Milano.

 

I never understood why the series didn't recognize Paige's TK for what it really was . . . teleportation.  "Orbing" or "telekinetic orbing" just sounded ridiculous to me.

It often worked exactly like telekinesis. Where it wouldn't just teleport from one place and appear in another but would literally fly through the air telekinetically. 

[slf]

I hated that Piper had sons.

[Apprentice79]

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 11:51 PM, slf said:

I hated that Piper had sons.

I wanted her to be the one with to have had 3 daughters as an homage to the power of 3.  Prue would be the one to have a son and Phoebe would have had her ladybug, Paige would be childless, but mentor children. 

[andromeda331]

18 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I wanted her to be the one with to have had 3 daughters as an homage to the power of 3.  Prue would be the one to have a son and Phoebe would have had her ladybug, Paige would be childless, but mentor children. 

I really wanted that for Piper too. She really seemed like the one who would. She always seemed like the one who wanted and husband and kids. They commented that she was a lot like her mother. It just really fit with Piper. I can see Phoebe having children. But Prue and Paige were always the ones I wasn't sure on. Prue never really seemed interested in kids. I go back in forth whether she was interested in marriage or not. I see her more of having career in addition to being an witch and maybe the fun of being an aunt. Paige the social worker I could see adopting or fostering a child or two. Paige the Whitelighter I really don't know. She seemed really interested in being independent and doing her own thing in addition to be a Charmed one. I'm not sure if that Paige was interested in kids or marriage. She seemed like she'd like to be able to take off when ever she wanted. 

[Apprentice79]

I hated how the book of shadows lost it's character after season 2.  I loved how the sisters depended on it for their survival in the first 2 seasons.  I also loved how Phoebe studied it and I always imagined that most of the spells written by the charmed ones were written by her.  I thought the show never showed the full potential of the book of shadows and why evil beings always wanted it for themselves. It always irritated me that the sisters after season 2 never used it in tandem with their powers.  I loved the episode in season 2 where Prue and Piper cast the telepathy spell on themselves and used it with their powers to defeat those warlocks. There was also that episode where Phoebe used that intelligence spell and it was instrumental in her getting herself, Prue and Piper out of that cursed painting.  We should have seen more of that throughout the series.  

Edited October 7, 2018 by Apprentice79

[Esmeralda]

6 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I hated how the book of shadows lost it's character after season 2.  I loved how the sisters depended on it for their survival in the first 2 seasons.  I also loved how Phoebe studied it and I always imagined that most of the spells written by the charmed ones were written by her.  I thought the show never showed the full potential of the book of shadows and why evil beings always wanted it for themselves. It always irritated me that the sisters after season 2 never used it in tandem with their powers.  I loved the episode in season 2 where Prue and Piper cast the telepathy spell on themselves and used it with their powers to defeat those warlocks. There was also that episode where Phoebe used that intelligence spell and it was instrumental in her getting herself, Prue and Piper out of that cursed painting.  We should have seen more of that throughout the series.  

I agree totally, but it makes sense. Once the main villain always seemed to be a demon who work black leather and shimmered and threw fireballs, what did they need the Book for?  No wonder I found the last five seasons so boring!

[Apprentice79]

4 hours ago, Esmeralda said:

I agree totally, but it makes sense. Once the main villain always seemed to be a demon who work black leather and shimmered and threw fireballs, what did they need the Book for?  No wonder I found the last five seasons so boring!

All of the demons were interchangeable after season 2, except for the Demonic children in season 3.   We should have seen different types of demon using different types of powers that threatened the power of 3. We should have met evil humans and the sisters trying to balance the difference between justice, revenge and vigilantism..

Edited October 8, 2018 by Apprentice79

[Esmeralda]

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10 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

All of the demons were interchangeable after season 2, except for the Demonic children in season 3.   We should have seen different types of demon using different types of powers that threatened the power of 3. We should have met evil humans and the sisters trying to balance the difference between justice, revenge and vigilantism..

I re-watched 'Something Wicca This Way Comes' last night (for the 20th anniversary of its airing) with the reminder of a witch following the wiccan rede: "Harm none, do what ye will" and thinking of them and their revenge and vigilantism just makes me shudder.  By the end of the 6th season they were no longer witches - they were warlocks.

[4evaQuez]

I've been rewatching bits and pieces of Charmed in no particular order. That's caused a few unpopular opinions:

 

1. I like the Piper, Phoebe, Paige relationship almost equally to the Prue, Piper, Phoebe relationship. Mainly because I found the former relationship more equal amongst the sisters. In the latter, Prue was the defacto leader even when she was not necessarily the most instrumental to the vanquish, and Prue in ways stunted the growth of Piper and Phoebe. Don't get me wrong, she didn't do this consciously or maliciously, but Piper always looked to Prue as the lead and rarely tried to step up to leadership positions when Prue was around. Piper was also happily stuck in Prue's shadow and never attempted to grow beyond number 2. Same with Phoebe. Prue was both Phoebe's sister but also defacto mom now that Patty and Grams were deceased. While Phoebe grew in more noticeable ways than Piper and more drastically, there were still times that she reverted to a rebellious teenager in her interactions with Prue and Prue reverted to the scolding mom. Phoebe was also constantly trying to "prove" herself to Prue be it with being more responsible, getting a job or even her romantic choices (Cole). While I don't particularly care for how Phoebe developed without Prue, I'm not sure she would have developed particular well had Prue stayed on the show either. (This is also because of the writing and Cole relationship, too). Don't get me wrong, I love the original trio and like their dynamic more, but I sometimes do question how the characters, Piper in particular, would have grown had Prue stayed on the show.

 

On the other hand, the Piper, Phoebe, Paige trio were more equals. They were able to argue and disagree with each other without anyone reverting into a mom or child role. For example, one episode I love that most people loath is Nymphs Just Wanna Have Fun. I love the Piper and Paige dynamic as they are both fighting to be the leader of the Charmed Ones. It not only shows how Piper has grown as a character and is a more comfortable leader, but it also shows them both as equal women who both present strong arguments as to why she should lead. Piper because she is the oldest and acted as the leader for the past 2 years and Paige because she has had to be the leader since Piper's pregnancy and has studied it more the past year. I also like how they ultimately came to an agreement at the end of the episode as two, responsible adults. In all, the Piper, Phoebe, Paige dynamic felt like a more long lasting and less resentful grouping even if the sister dynamic was not as strong.

[Apprentice79]

On ‎10‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 10:29 AM, 4evaQuez said:

1. I like the Piper, Phoebe, Paige relationship almost equally to the Prue, Piper, Phoebe relationship. Mainly because I found the former relationship more equal amongst the sisters. In the latter, Prue was the defacto leader even when she was not necessarily the most instrumental to the vanquish, and Prue in ways stunted the growth of Piper and Phoebe. Don't get me wrong, she didn't do this consciously or maliciously, but Piper always looked to Prue as the lead and rarely tried to step up to leadership positions when Prue was around. Piper was also happily stuck in Prue's shadow and never attempted to grow beyond number 2. Same with Phoebe. Prue was both Phoebe's sister but also defacto mom now that Patty and Grams were deceased. While Phoebe grew in more noticeable ways than Piper and more drastically, there were still times that she reverted to a rebellious teenager in her interactions with Prue and Prue reverted to the scolding mom. Phoebe was also constantly trying to "prove" herself to Prue be it with being more responsible, getting a job or even her romantic choices (Cole). While I don't particularly care for how Phoebe developed without Prue, I'm not sure she would have developed particular well had Prue stayed on the show either. (This is also because of the writing and Cole relationship, too). Don't get me wrong, I love the original trio and like their dynamic more, but I sometimes do question how the characters, Piper in particular, would have grown had Prue stayed on the show.

I think that had Constance stayed  and able to fully realize her vision, she would have developed the three sisters individually as women, sisters and witches. She did base the Halliwell sisters on herself and her 2 older sisters. I always wanted her to give an interview and tell us what her plans for the sisters would have been in season 3.   Brad Kern in season 3 made Prue superwitch to the detriment in some ways to Piper and Phoebe.   I personally never cared for the reconstituted power of 3.  

[CooperTV]

I've been rewatching the show, and I have to say, I just hate, HATE Chris this time around. I liked the season 6 storyline when I first watched it, and I liked Chris. But now... He's ungrateful whiny ass that has no respect for anyone or anything. I'm absolutely baffled how they managed to make the character so unlikable and one-note in the first place and supposed for me to even care about him. All he does all season is putting the sisters and Leo down, talking down to them with zero empathy and tries to screw their lives up.

On the other hand, Wyatt is just amazing, and the Imaginary Fiends plot has done better job at making me care about Wyatt turning evil than the season of Boring Whining Jerk Chris ever did.

Edited November 6, 2018 by CooperTV

[Apprentice79]

I always hated all hell breaks loose because Prue and Piper did not use their powers when Shax entered the manor.  Not to mention. Prue and Piper fighting him in public in broad daylight, leading to their exposure.  Just dumb sloppy writing.  

Edited November 8, 2018 by Apprentice79

[kiddo82]

Just rewatched Once Upon a Time.  I know people love Piper's meltdown in the parking lot to the Elders but I actually think her speech at the end about almost losing Kate and understanding why they don't want her and Leo together is better.  Also, just a general observation, but Alyssa Milano really is an underrated actress, at least as far as this series is concerned.  Holly usually gets most of the love, as she wholeheartedly deserves in my opinion, but Alyssa has such an easy, natural quality to her that's very engaging.  I'm right at the beginning of her courtship with Cole and she's so good at smitten without being goopy and I'm really appreciating it this time around.  And, for better or worse, none of the leads committed to the silly stuff throughout the run of the series as well as she did.  Regardless of what one may or may not think about said silly stuff, that does mean something.

Edited January 21, 2019 by kiddo82

[Esmeralda]

Can't agree with that. I thought that Alyssa acted like a teenager crushing on Cole that was totally cringe-worthy.  It made me think that her nickname "Freebie" was in name only - that after closing her heart after her mother's death (according to Cupid) that Cole was her first - that's how Alyssa acted.  But re-watching each of the Season One episodes on its 20th anniversary has taught me otherwise when we saw Phoebe not only in bed with Clay (Feats of Clay) but that they'd lived together in New York and he'd seen her naked.  *sigh* I hate when you find out what you thought was wrong. Now her actions in S3-4 seem even more cringe-worthy.

Edited January 21, 2019 by Esmeralda

[Guest]

On 20/01/2019 at 9:28 PM, kiddo82 said:

Just rewatched Once Upon a Time.  I know people love Piper's meltdown in the parking lot to the Elders but I actually think her speech at the end about almost losing Kate and understanding why they don't want her and Leo together is better.  Also, just a general observation, but Alyssa Milano really is an underrated actress, at least as far as this series is concerned.  Holly usually gets most of the love, as she wholeheartedly deserves in my opinion, but Alyssa has such an easy, natural quality to her that's very engaging.  I'm right at the beginning of her courtship with Cole and she's so good at smitten without being goopy and I'm really appreciating it this time around.  And, for better or worse, none of the leads committed to the silly stuff throughout the run of the series as well as she did.  Regardless of what one may or may not think about said silly stuff, that does mean something.

I agree. Alyssa Milano definitely had some missteps (I detested how she would portray a scene if Phoebe was possessed or she was playing a shapeshifting demon where she would always have that childish dumb voice) but overall, especially in the first 5 seasons, she embraced the silliness and went with it in a way that helps the audience to get on board with it. 

[Guest]

Also, I'm actually enjoying the reboot. :o 

It's utterly ridiculous. Possibly even more ridiculous than the original but I am enjoying noticing little details that have come from the original show but been altered for this new version. 

The Elders appearing in sparks rather than orbs was quite funny I thought. 

 

But I'll shut up about the reboot now as I know this board has a rule about it. Oops. 

[4evaQuez]

On 1/20/2019 at 3:28 PM, kiddo82 said:

Just rewatched Once Upon a Time.  I know people love Piper's meltdown in the parking lot to the Elders but I actually think her speech at the end about almost losing Kate and understanding why they don't want her and Leo together is better.  Also, just a general observation, but Alyssa Milano really is an underrated actress, at least as far as this series is concerned.  Holly usually gets most of the love, as she wholeheartedly deserves in my opinion, but Alyssa has such an easy, natural quality to her that's very engaging.  I'm right at the beginning of her courtship with Cole and she's so good at smitten without being goopy and I'm really appreciating it this time around.  And, for better or worse, none of the leads committed to the silly stuff throughout the run of the series as well as she did.  Regardless of what one may or may not think about said silly stuff, that does mean something.

I agree with both your points. I wrote somewhere on this board - maybe even this thread - that I actually do not like Piper's meltdown at all. Yelling at the sky is such a passive moment for Piper, and she almost immediately gives up. It's well acted and I like the spotlight filming they chose for the scene that was narratively and visually appropriate, but overall, it was not a moment of growth for Piper, at least now in the way I think the writers intended for it to be.

I also agree about Alyssa Milano. I think she by far hit her comedic moments the best, and I also love her scene in Long Live the Queen after vanquishing Cole. The only times I did not enjoy her acting was when she was obviously lost in a scene, so she reverted to baby voice. I also think she was the only main actress (Holly, Allyssa, Rose) who was still emotionally present in the 8th season. While I did not necessarily like her storylines that season, she at least didn't seem emotionally disconnected from the show as much as Holly and Rose, imho of course.

[Esmeralda]

And I always thought that Holly was the one most emotionally connected while Rose and Alyssa were just going through the motions - and it was Piper's storyline that I hated the most.

[dariajade]

So I'm late to this post, but here are ramble of some of my opinions on Charmed:-

The show should of started with all three sisters having led separate independent lives, in different cities, until their Grams died and they came together, found out about magic and struggled to form new relationships with each other as adults instead of backsliding into old patterns - would of made things a bit more interesting. 

I hated Grams, she destroyed her daughter and granddaughters lives and pushed Victor into abandoning his children, she should of died instead of Patty, allowing her to grow and become Independent maybe even fix her marriage, years later both Patty and Victor would have been killed by a demon which would have led to their daughters coming together and discovering their gifts.

Hate the lack of consistency in Character, Power & Relationship development, after all Paige & Leo were friends in the beginning, enough so that Paige actually confided in Leo and that all disappeared later on, as well as in the rules of Personal Gain, with big breaches getting no consequences and little breaches getting major consequences.

Magic school should never have existed though do like the Idea that it wasn't Evil that turned Wyatt but a misguided 'Good guy' - Hate the elders and we should of never have seen them on Screen.

Wyatt and Chris should of had their powers bound at birth, it would be more in character for Piper who once said that she was thankful that her own powers were bound as a child. 

Wyatt should not have had the power of Projection and they both should of had new powers not a copy of Prue/Paige. Leo should of also divorced his wife and left with his sons, since Piper was not a good wife and would be an iffy mom, particularly to boys, thanks to Grams influence in her life.

Paige is my favorite sister despite the writing but Paige should of only had the power of Orbing, TK Orbing, Remote Orbing, Orb Shield, Sensing, Healing, and maybe Photokinesis, all her other powers were a waste, if not an outright gimmick to move plot along and made her more Whitelighter than Witch, not to mention too powerful.

I hated Paige giving up her career as a Social Worker and her later focus on her whitelighter side, she should of only become a whitelighter when she died permanently.

Loved her with Henry, they match up really well and wished she met him sooner. Loved the fact that Paige had surprise twin daughters, would of loved to have seen her and Henry become foster parents to other magical children with Henry keeping everyone grounded. 

Hated the fact that Paige seems to grow close to Patty but not Sam, after all they both gave her up and for Sam she was his only child whereas Patty had 3 others that she actually kept and that she could console herself with. Also hated the fact that her alcoholism is nothing more than a side note especially since it's shown that she's inherited it from her father.

Hated the fact we don't see any magical relatives, or even Paige adopted relatives who she actually seemed close to in the first few episodes of season 4 but then disappeared.

Hated Phoebe, and hated the constant costumes. I think she should of died instead of Prue, but if she lived that she should of ended up either as a psychic consultant for the police, I missed her Premonitions in later seasons, or as a manager of P3 or another club, she would of been good in a entertainment/promotional type job. Not as a advice columnist.

Astral Projection should not of been on the show, or if it had been it should of gone to Phoebe not Prue, and with Levitation as a extension of Telekinesis.

Would of loved to have seen Piper and Mark Chao together, since they had good chemistry, and it would of added another person of color into the predominantly white cast, and one that was much more likable than Daryl.

Edited February 4, 2019 by dariajade

[Apprentice79]

5 hours ago, dariajade said:

Astral Projection should not of been on the show, or if it had been it should of gone to Phoebe not Prue, and with Levitation as a extension of Telekinesis.

I agree with this, but, Levitation should never have been a separate power for Prue. She could already levitate due to her telekinesis.  

5 hours ago, dariajade said:

Hated Phoebe, and hated the constant costumes. I think she should of died instead of Prue, but if she lived that she should of ended up either as a psychic consultant for the police, I missed her Premonitions in later seasons, or as a manager of P3 or another club, she would of been good in a entertainment/promotional type job. Not as a advice columnist.

The show never grew her premonitions to it's full potential.  Her Empathy is part of her Premonition, so it did not need to be a separate power. Her empathy and limited telepathy could have been part of her advanced premonitions.  Phoebe in season 2 and season 3 was able to connect with her mind  and that could have developed into controlling people's minds, paralyzing them with mental pain and physical pain through touch would be her defensive power.   I also think Phoebe being able to manipulate psychic energy could have been her offensive power where she could throw psionic blast to fight demons and warlocks.  

[Esmeralda]

7 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I agree with this, but, Levitation should never have been a separate power for Prue. She could already levitate due to her telekinesis.  

The show never grew Phoebe's premonitions to it's full potential.  Her Empathy is part of her Premonition, so it did not need to be a separate power. Her empathy and limited telepathy could have been part of her advanced premonitions.  Phoebe in season 2 and season 3 was able to connect with her mind  and that could have developed into controlling people's minds, paralyzing them with mental pain and physical pain through touch would be her defensive power.   I also think Phoebe being able to manipulate psychic energy could have been her offensive power where she could throw psionic blast to fight demons and warlocks.  

Agree with levitation for Prue since her power is to move things with her mind and that would be moving herself with it.  Disagree that empathy has anything to do with seeing the future (I didn't even like her being able to see the past, but then I also hated Piper being able to explode molecules when her power was to freeze time and had nothing to do with molecules.)  If Phoebe had been able to send her astral projection forward so she could see what happened in the future for a longer time, that would've been the proper upgrade of her power.  The upgrades should've just been in time and distance, not new powers that weren't necessary, especially Piper's.  IMOHO hers was the worst.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Esmeralda

[Apprentice79]

14 hours ago, Esmeralda said:

Agree with levitation for Prue since her power is to move things with her mind and that would be moving herself with it.  Disagree that empathy has anything to do with seeing the future (I didn't even like her being able to see the past, but then I also hated Piper being able to explode molecules when her power was to freeze time and had nothing to do with molecules.)  If Phoebe had been able to send her astral projection forward so she could see what happened in the future for a longer time, that would've been the proper upgrade of her power.  The upgrades should've just been in time and distance, not new powers that weren't necessary, especially Piper's.  IMOHO hers was the worst.

Constance  Burge wanted each sister to develop an offensive power, a defensive power and a passive power that would work in tandem to fight evil and defend innocents. The sisters were supposed to be the most powerful witches that the world has ever known. Nobody before them and after them would have been able to do what they could do individually and collectively as witches.

I hated the explosive power that Piper got. I would have given her power to create and control electricity as her offensive power and her passive power would have been invisibility.  Her original power was never advanced to my liking. 

[Esmeralda]

10 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Constance  Burge wanted each sister to develop an offensive power, a defensive power and a passive power that would work in tandem to fight evil and defend innocents. The sisters were supposed to be the most powerful witches that the world has ever known. Nobody before them and after them would have been able to do what they could do individually and collectively as witches.

I hated the explosive power that Piper got. I would have given her power to create and control electricity as her offensive power and her passive power would have been invisibility.  Her original power was never advanced to my liking. 

Well, then she should've changed Melinda Warren's prophecy.  That was that each sister would have one of her powers.  That's what made them Charmed.  There was never a need for different powers - especially each having one of those three.  Then each would be a Power of One with no need of the others, and I would've gotten very bored very fast. What made the Charmed Ones special was the Power of Three, not the powers that each had.  For one to have the active (Prue), one to have the defensive (Piper) and one to have the passive (Phoebe) made it perfect.  As soon as Piper got an active one (exploding) while Paige's was also offensive (moving things with her mind whitelighter-style), there was truly no need for the Power of Three (especially when they hardly used Phoebe's power to see the future at all) and boring.

[Apprentice79]

2 hours ago, Esmeralda said:

Well, then she should've changed Melinda Warren's prophecy.  That was that each sister would have one of her powers.  That's what made them Charmed.  There was never a need for different powers - especially each having one of those three.  Then each would be a Power of One with no need of the others, and I would've gotten very bored very fast. What made the Charmed Ones special was the Power of Three, not the powers that each had.  For one to have the active (Prue), one to have the defensive (Piper) and one to have the passive (Phoebe) made it perfect.  As soon as Piper got an active one (exploding) while Paige's was also offensive (moving things with her mind whitelighter-style), there was truly no need for the Power of Three (especially when they hardly used Phoebe's power to see the future at all) and boring.

The power of 3 comes from their combined powers.  The book of shadows also said that their powers would grow tremendously and it would be different from past Warren witches. I hated that Phoebe was useless in battle and not able to fight and protect herself after Connie left. It would have gotten old if Phoebe always had to rely on her sisters to save her. A demon could easily kill her and there would be no more power of 3. It is why I hated Phoebe in season 3, she was useless, selfish and all about her demon Cole. 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Apprentice79

[Esmeralda]

They would GROW - not become other powers, especially not each getting an active, passive and defensive.  Then why even have the Power of Three? Why not just have the Power of One with the others helping her?  I think having all three having all three would've been horrible.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Esmeralda

[JustKay]

Oh, where do I start? I am THRILLED I found this forum and thread. I've been looking for a place to vent for ages now. Lol. Now don't get me wrong I LOVE the show. There is one charmed sister I loathed most of all, even though i realize all four had their bad points and not one of them was perfect.

I COULD NOT AND TO THIS DAY CANNOT STAND... PIPER HALLIWELL.😤

I know, I know, everyone in the fandom seems to walk on the rainbows that seem to come out of her ass, but to me? She is annoying as hell. Here are a few reasons why.

1: Let me begin with her constant whining about wanting a normal life and always bitchy and irritable about having to go fight demons. Really Piper?? You're a dammed witch.. Get over it.

2: Her freaking obsession with wanting to have a child. Bitch please, you're a witch that is WAY cooler than wanting a crotch goblin. (yeah im anti-kid and don't care much for them, i admit it)

3. Mommy Piper. Oh dear heavens I could write a frekain novel on this you guys. If her character wasn't annoying as fuck already when she became pregnant? she got worse. When she gave birth? Oh hell I could barely stomach to watch the show anymore. I wanted to watch chared for the sisters bond and seeing them kick ass and take names, and of course for the cool magic stuff. Not to see Piper oooh and awe over a crying annoying as hell kid. 

4: Overprotective piper? Um no! After Wyatt was born, I remember an episode where Leo was trying to feed him ro something and wyatt made a normal baby sound and piper is like "what are you doing, are you hurting him?" and im rolling my eyes. Bitch please, you realize how annoying you are? That and where she couldn't be bothered to go kill a demon with her sisters because she was going to have separation anxiety if she left him. I almost puked. Just no! and every.little.tiny.thing. She was all over him, hovering over him if someone even breathed on him wrong. This piper being pregnant should never of happened.

5: I understand that piper and Phoebe grew up together,  and her and Paige didn't. But it always bugged the crap out of me how she never bothered to really get close to Paige. Phoebe was the only one to embrace her fully and get to know her. Like when Piper took over deaths job? and Paige died instead of phoebe? Piper was all calm and told Paige just to let go and go into the freakin light. No "I love you's" or hugs goodbye, nothing! If that had been Phoebe? She'd have been balling like a baby and doing everything she could. Fuck Piper, you love your sister at all?

6.: boring leo and piper.  Don't get me wrong, I love Leo. But as much as I love him? The guy is kinda boring to me. I found him and Piper's love story to be as boring as paint. Even though the show built it up to be so epic and amazing. I was always like....REALLY?🙄 Her and Leo was just not a good fit and the way she acted when around him was annoying as hell to me as well. He should have remained there white-lighter and that's it.

That is about all my main points. I'm sure there are plenty of others I have forgotten that I just cannot think of right now. BUT one last point id love to make. And im sure this will get me chewed out liek crazy and probably the most unpopular opinion of all but...

7.  I think instead of Prue dying (whom i dearly loved) It should have been piper. *nods* Yep, I said it folks. She never fit in as a charmed one anyways. She only wanted to have a  normal life with a dammed kid. So i say, they should of let ther die and then introduce my girl Paige. I think the dynamick with her and Prue would of been awesome and we already know her nd phoebe got along great. It would of given chance for prue and phoebe to FINALLY bond and get closer and with addition of paige? The rest of the series could of been SO much better.

[Rockstar99435]

On 2/19/2019 at 3:15 PM, JustKay said:

1: Let me begin with her constant whining about wanting a normal life and always bitchy and irritable about having to go fight demons. Really Piper?? You're a dammed witch.. Get over it.

I always thought the show missed a chance to do a cool storyline for Piper and Chris by not having him react to her "I just want to be normal" stuff. They could have had him point out how damaging it is to grow different from your community while your parent, who is different like you, is constantly complaining about being different and how being like everyone else is better. There was an episode where Piper said something about not wanting Wyatt to go to Magic School with the freaks and it always bugged me that no one pointed out that her kid was also a "freak" and that calling him that is pretty shitty. It would've given Piper a chance to grow and develop her character to see how she was damaging her kids by telling them repeatedly that there was something wrong with them. Or they could have had Chris be suprised by her attitude because he grew up with a Piper who stopped saying stuff like that so she wouldn't damage her kids. Or even just have Chris point out that demons exist and regularly attack powerless humans and having powers mean that they can defend themselves, as well as save others. It was the same issue I had with Buffy regularly complaining about not being normal. Being powerless in a world with demons doesn't make you safer, it just makes you a victim.

[4evaQuez]

12 hours ago, Rockstar99435 said:

I always thought the show missed a chance to do a cool storyline for Piper and Chris by not having him react to her "I just want to be normal" stuff. They could have had him point out how damaging it is to grow different from your community while your parent, who is different like you, is constantly complaining about being different and how being like everyone else is better. There was an episode where Piper said something about not wanting Wyatt to go to Magic School with the freaks and it always bugged me that no one pointed out that her kid was also a "freak" and that calling him that is pretty shitty. It would've given Piper a chance to grow and develop her character to see how she was damaging her kids by telling them repeatedly that there was something wrong with them. Or they could have had Chris be suprised by her attitude because he grew up with a Piper who stopped saying stuff like that so she wouldn't damage her kids. Or even just have Chris point out that demons exist and regularly attack powerless humans and having powers mean that they can defend themselves, as well as save others. It was the same issue I had with Buffy regularly complaining about not being normal. Being powerless in a world with demons doesn't make you safer, it just makes you a victim.

Wow! I honestly never thought about that, but that would have been a marvelous storyline for Charmed to tackle. As someone who is "different" with parents who just wanted to "fit in" it definitely would have resonated with me, and I think could have spoken to the parents watching Charmed. How parents do things to keep their kids "safe" but ultimately do more harm to the kids than just allowing them to explore themselves. Instead of the episode - since they dropped it almost immediately - where Chris doesn't want to get close to Piper because of her death, I would have loved if the show could have explored the resentment Chris feels for forcing him to be like everyone else when he wanted to embrace what made him unique. Unfortunately, I think it is too sophisticated a storyline for later seasons Charmed. 

As for the second bolded part, THANK YOU!!! I never understood why Piper complained so much about wanting to be normal. Normal humans were attacked by demons, cursed by witches, haunted by ghosts, and sometimes even trapped in hell dimensions (more Buffy than Charmed) all the time. I never understood why Piper would willingly give up a wonderful defensive power like Freezing when she knows she and her kids could be a victim at any moment. I especially didn't understand it since sometimes the show would give us dialogue about how a lot of the lower level demons wouldn't even attack the Charmed Ones because of how powerful they are.

And now that I think about it, something else that annoyed me about Piper wanting to give up her powers is that even in the Charmed Universe sometimes humans victimized other humans. Prue was stalked, Paige and Henry were held hostage at a bank, Phoebe's future friend was assaulted, and people were still murdered like the father Prue helped in season 2 all by humans. Having powers is what saved them or the innocents or at least is what got them justice. And in Phoebe's future friend case, I assume magic prevented her assault from happening. And Piper nearly died because of a normal, human disease and magic prevented her from dying. Hell, I would even say magic helped Piper to become a more confident person and stronger person - her explosive power seems instrumental to her become a lot more outspoken and with a power where you can literally blow up anything or anyone around you, why would someone not be more bold? Piper's argument made absolutely no sense in the Charmed universe or even in our universe.

Edited February 23, 2019 by 4evaQuez

[Rockstar99435]

5 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

Instead of the episode - since they dropped it almost immediately - where Chris doesn't want to get close to Piper because of her death, I would have loved if the show could have explored the resentment Chris feels for forcing him to be like everyone else when he wanted to embrace what made him unique. Unfortunately, I think it is too sophisticated a storyline for later seasons Charmed. 

Or at least have a conversation about it. There were so many little things that could have been developed with just a few lines of dialogue. Have Chris be angry at Piper when she calls the kids at Magic School freaks and then confused by his feelings because he'd built her up in his head so much after she died. Have Chris be confused by Piper's comment because when he was a kid she made the teachers at Magic School create and teach an anti-bully curriculum. Have Chris know how to open the secret drawer in that dresser. Have Chris start adding ingredients to Paige's soup because it will need balance (or some other chef comment, I don't know how to cook.)

I also think the writers should have gone all the way with the cause of his resentment and have Chris hate Leo because he wasn't around and Piper died. I don't know how Piper died in his future, but Leo can instantly teleport and heal. For almost any circumstance, if he had been there when she was hurt, she would have survived. When Leo made some shitty comment asking if he missed too many baseball games, I wanted Chris to throw Piper's death at him. Or even just the aftermath. If Piper died when Chris was 14, why didn't Leo take custody? He's still a child. If Victor weren't around, would Leo have let Wyatt and Chris go into foster care? Is maybe the real reason Wyatt went dark that he was a super-powered teenager whose mom just died violently because his dad wasn't around to save her, and then his dad abandoned him and his brother for his job? 

[slf]

Re: which sisters would or wouldn't have kids, I've always felt that Piper was the only one who would become a mother. She was very drawn to the "traditional" way of life, with a husband and kids and a house with a white picket fence. I think people find fulfillment in and prioritize different types of love. That's why some people aren't bothered by growing apart from a sibling or parent, don't mourn a failed romantic relationship like others do, or never want to become a parent.

Prue was the type to value existing familial relationships the most, like a parent or sibling. She was never going to love anyone as much as she loved her sisters. While I could see her having a boyfriend or even a husband, he wouldn't come first (or even second). I also think that for her, in the end, the power of three would always be prioritized over a family of her own.

And Phoebe was all about romantic love. Her life was never going to be complete without finding a "soulmate" to be passionately in love with. That's where she found her greatest emotional fulfillment.

Edited March 6, 2019 by slf

[Apprentice79]

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 12:56 PM, slf said:

Re: which sisters would or wouldn't have kids, I've always felt that Piper was the only one who would become a mother. She was very drawn to the "traditional" way of life, with a husband and kids and a house with a white picket fence. I think people find fulfillment in and prioritize different types of love. That's why some people aren't bothered by growing apart from a sibling or parent, don't mourn a failed romantic relationship like others do, or never want to become a parent.

Prue was the type to value existing familial relationships the most, like a parent or sibling. She was never going to love anyone as much as she loved her sisters. While I could see her having a boyfriend or even a husband, he wouldn't come first (or even second). I also think that for her, in the end, the power of three would always be prioritized over a family of her own.

And Phoebe was all about romantic love. Her life was never going to be complete without finding a "soulmate" to be passionately in love with. That's where she found her greatest emotional fulfillment.

It is why I always wanted Piper to have three daughters as an homage to the power of 3. I also think that her husband should have been mortal giving her the normal life that she always longed for..

[nightwing877]

On 2/20/2019 at 10:15 AM, JustKay said:

Oh, where do I start? I am THRILLED I found this forum and thread. I've been looking for a place to vent for ages now. Lol. Now don't get me wrong I LOVE the show. There is one charmed sister I loathed most of all, even though i realize all four had their bad points and not one of them was perfect.

I COULD NOT AND TO THIS DAY CANNOT STAND... PIPER HALLIWELL.😤

I know, I know, everyone in the fandom seems to walk on the rainbows that seem to come out of her ass, but to me? She is annoying as hell. Here are a few reasons why.

1: Let me begin with her constant whining about wanting a normal life and always bitchy and irritable about having to go fight demons. Really Piper?? You're a dammed witch.. Get over it.

2: Her freaking obsession with wanting to have a child. Bitch please, you're a witch that is WAY cooler than wanting a crotch goblin. (yeah im anti-kid and don't care much for them, i admit it)

3. Mommy Piper. Oh dear heavens I could write a frekain novel on this you guys. If her character wasn't annoying as fuck already when she became pregnant? she got worse. When she gave birth? Oh hell I could barely stomach to watch the show anymore. I wanted to watch chared for the sisters bond and seeing them kick ass and take names, and of course for the cool magic stuff. Not to see Piper oooh and awe over a crying annoying as hell kid. 

4: Overprotective piper? Um no! After Wyatt was born, I remember an episode where Leo was trying to feed him ro something and wyatt made a normal baby sound and piper is like "what are you doing, are you hurting him?" and im rolling my eyes. Bitch please, you realize how annoying you are? That and where she couldn't be bothered to go kill a demon with her sisters because she was going to have separation anxiety if she left him. I almost puked. Just no! and every.little.tiny.thing. She was all over him, hovering over him if someone even breathed on him wrong. This piper being pregnant should never of happened.

5: I understand that piper and Phoebe grew up together,  and her and Paige didn't. But it always bugged the crap out of me how she never bothered to really get close to Paige. Phoebe was the only one to embrace her fully and get to know her. Like when Piper took over deaths job? and Paige died instead of phoebe? Piper was all calm and told Paige just to let go and go into the freakin light. No "I love you's" or hugs goodbye, nothing! If that had been Phoebe? She'd have been balling like a baby and doing everything she could. Fuck Piper, you love your sister at all?

6.: boring leo and piper.  Don't get me wrong, I love Leo. But as much as I love him? The guy is kinda boring to me. I found him and Piper's love story to be as boring as paint. Even though the show built it up to be so epic and amazing. I was always like....REALLY?🙄 Her and Leo was just not a good fit and the way she acted when around him was annoying as hell to me as well. He should have remained there white-lighter and that's it.

That is about all my main points. I'm sure there are plenty of others I have forgotten that I just cannot think of right now. BUT one last point id love to make. And im sure this will get me chewed out liek crazy and probably the most unpopular opinion of all but...

7.  I think instead of Prue dying (whom i dearly loved) It should have been piper. *nods* Yep, I said it folks. She never fit in as a charmed one anyways. She only wanted to have a  normal life with a dammed kid. So i say, they should of let ther die and then introduce my girl Paige. I think the dynamick with her and Prue would of been awesome and we already know her nd phoebe got along great. It would of given chance for prue and phoebe to FINALLY bond and get closer and with addition of paige? The rest of the series could of been SO much better.

I so agree with you on so many levels. I feel similar to you on Piper. 

I always felt I was one of the very few who loved Piper, she always comes across as the beloved among fans, and I never got why. She is so unlikeable after Prue died, and her relationship with Leo ruined her, and I really wished she picked Dan, and got her normal life. 

If any sister had to die, I'd pick her in a heartbeat over the others. Because, I like the idea that Prue and Phoebe could close closer, and really I think the amount of drama and story potential for Phoebe to go evil, and Prue left all alone, with Paige. Would be so much fun. 

[Guest]

On 2/4/2019 at 11:24 PM, dariajade said:

Wyatt should not have had the power of Projection and they both should of had new powers not a copy of Prue/Paige. 

But the entire point is their magic is inherited from their bloodline. Just like Grams and Patty had TK and freezing before TCO. 

[Guest]

On 2/5/2019 at 12:25 PM, Esmeralda said:

but then I also hated Piper being able to explode molecules when her power was to freeze time and had nothing to do with molecules.

It did. Piper never froze time. She froze objects and people. 

When she froze a room, the world beyond that room continued as normal. Nicholas notes that it was Noon but he only heard five chimes of the clock in "That 70s Episode" precisely for this reason.