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[cappuccino]

If Castle has amnesia, but only for the period of his disappearance, then I'm not sure that would make for a particularly compelling storyline.  Especially if they're only interested in exploring the whodunit 'mythology', which will be forgotten (ha ;)) after Castle comes back until they take another 'bite' of the mythology as AM likes to put it ;)  Complete with Castle getting cheesy headaches and sudden flashbacks of himself locked in a dark room.  But what does it all mean?! ;)

Oh this reminds me of the X Files episode Demons.

[Samantha84]

People want Nathan and Stana to be best friends. Here's the thing: Nathan and Stana don't have to be best friends or hang out outside of work but still be co-workers, respect one another, like one another, and have a wonderful work relationship. This is a job, this is their work at the end of the day. I don't hang out w half of my co-workers after we clock out. Doesn't mean I don't like or respect them. We're just different people, who have different friends, like things socially different, and plus I spend a lot of time w. then daily, week, monthly, yearly basis. I don't need to work w. them 12 hrs a day and then spend time w. them after work as well. I spend time w, the family and dear friends I don't get to see when I'm at work.  Same could go for them. It doesn't mean they don't like or hate each other.  I take issues w. them not doing press together but I take that complaint to ABC, ultimately. 

[verdana]

I agree Samantha that some fans do want them to be best buddies and more. I believe their relationship is as you describe, co-workers who respect and like each other end of story. What they do and who they choose to socialise with when they check out of work at the end of the day is entirely up to them. 

[verdana]

I'm curious about how Castle will show up again. Do they find him in the middle of the episode? Does he just kinda walk into the precinct not knowing what and why and how? Will he be hurt or just screwed up in the head?

 

Isn't Kate's birthday in November and on a Monday this time ? We still need Castle to get back at her for his birthday IF they still remember that one.

I quite like that as a scenario, it's mid episode and they're all been frantically searching for him and everyone is at the precinct clustered around the murder board, Kate is starting to despair and in he walks....not knowing what the hell happened. I don't think he'll be hurt physically though.

 

And I've seen quite a few speculating that this season they'll make a big deal out of Kate's birthday and get them married at that point to celebrate. It would be the right time promotion wise (sweeps) to do it so I could see that happening and given it's a Monday that's perfect.  Castle had his surprise birthday episode so now it's Kate's turn. I think that would be great idea, they leave it any longer and fans are going to start getting seriously restless and fed up.  It would be a nice touch if Castle is the one that suggests it to Beckett and they actually fix the day on screen so fans know it's coming. 

Edited July 21, 2014 by verdana

[axj73]

There's a picture that's been posted on Tumblr (don't know how to link to it) and it shows Nathan's face all bruised and battered. Whether it's from Castle or something else I don't know but it's recent. It looks like a photo that continuity take for make-up.

[verdana]

axj73.Do you mean this picture?

 

According to this blog it's from Desperate Housewives and is a fake.  I hope so because he looks really badly beaten there in that close up, seems a bit too much for Castle.  

Edited July 21, 2014 by verdana

[axj73]

That was the one Verdana. Hope it was for something else and not Castle. Did his character get badly beaten in Desperate Housewives? I can't remember.

[Brit Babe]

I actually don't think anything would put an end to the rumors at this point. 

I agree, things have reached the tipping point with this problem and while it would placate a few people, I think most people would see it for what it was PR stunt. This situation should never have got this point, while they don't need to do interviews etc together all the time, one now and again plus normal interaction at events would have stopped this getting to such a silly point.

 

When Alias was on, Jennifer Garner and Michael Vartan had some crazy fans speculating about their personal life.  And they really were together, but then they broke up and people hated her for it.  Twitter wasn't around then, but if it was people totally would have harassed her.

 

Didn't the X-Files cast have have some craziness too? And speculation about dating in real life? But again, before Twitter.  Twitter is like the best thing that ever happened to crazy fans.

Alias and the "Gartan" (I am sure that was what it was called) - those were the days. If twitter had been around then, I can't bear to think what would have happened. It happens in most fandoms and I think the Castle fandom is extremely tame compared to many, most people don't want to be associated with it, which makes it seem strange that people use the “real life shippers” in fandom are victimising them angle.

 

 

I just have very real trouble drumming up sympathy for people (who make over 2 million dollars a year for playing make believe) because their "fans" are bugging them. For the non narcissist this is very simple: unplug.

I think it is a case of them needing to get on with their job, people aren't asking them to be BFF or even hang outside of work, they are asking for a pic on a red carpet or a joint interview at a press junket/red carpet.

[Brit Babe]

Has Nathan been on set at all yet?

 

 

That was the one Verdana. Hope it was for something else and not Castle. Did his character get badly beaten in Desperate Housewives? I can't remember.

 

Yeah, he got beaten up and held hostage by his wife's ex husband, if I remember correctly.

[madmaverick]

So I read a spoiler about Alexis telling the others that Castle was not in the burning car, but not sure if it's confirmed or just speculation.

 

Hm.. if Castle's never presumed dead then I think it takes a bit of drama out of it, and it'll just be a repeat of the Target/Hunt scenario when a loved one was kidnapped. May be a bit cruel to wish for it dramatically, but since they chose to go there in the first place... I think having them think Castle's dead, at least for a little while, would pack more of an emotional punch on the characters and possibly more interesting dramatically.

 

I just hope that the touching, emotional reunion I'm hoping for when Castle returns won't be completely ruined/interrupted by any amnesia dialogue.

 

I don't care what Beckett wears when they finally get married or where they are.  I just want to hear them saying their vows.  Nice, romantic, loving vows.

 

Yep, that's what I want too.  I can only hope they do better than the terrible proposal in Watershed, and the generic letter in ITBOTB.   Heart-stoppingly romantic moments have really been missing on Castle, where even fans and non fans and critics can agree on how perfectly them a moment is.  They passed with the 'getting together' milestone moment, but little since then has been memorable in the romance department.  I can think of other shows which have followed up strongly with other important moments since getting a couple together.

 

I don't think we've had our last taste of wedding 'obstacles'.  You just know they're going to bring in some more in the episode when the wedding actually takes place.  Hopefully, no more 'wacky' ones. *shudder*

 

Oh this reminds me of the X Files episode Demons.

 

Was that resolved in a dramatically interesting way?

 

Oh, and back on the cooking thing.  I just thought it was pretty established between the characters that Beckett could cook in that episode when she stayed at Castle's loft in S2, and presumed that the writers had disappointingly forgotten that in S5 at the Hamptons.  And it struck me as one of those things that they would know about each other being as close as they are, even if Beckett hadn't cooked for Castle again.  I do enjoy seeing Castle in the kitchen and taking care of his loved ones in his role as designated cook.  Castle cooking is like Castle taking care of the coffee.  Really wish they'd do some domestic scenes of Caskett in the kitchen, but being romantic and not being about the COTW. ;)

 

Castle's theories about CIA involvement and mob hits have been dismissed as crazy on the show before.  If it turns out he's right on the money, then the characters should eat humble pie.  Or the writers need to stop dipping into the crazy well so much. ;)

 

There was a time when I never thought the CIA would pop up on the show, never thought it possible that Beckett had been married... those were the days. ;)

Edited July 21, 2014 by madmaverick

[McManda]

If NF and SK wanted to avoid a frenzy perhaps they should avoid social media (and have their families should do the same).

I'm sorry, but no. I cannot agree.

This too closely skirts the line of blaming the victim. They don't want to be harassed, so they should change their decisions? No. How about the people doing the harassing change their behavior? Having an internet connection and a anonymous twitter handle does not entitle someone to be a dick.

Not to mention, that in the case of Stana and her family/potential significant other(s), she does do her best to shelter them. She doesn't talk about them and to the best of my knowledge, they don't have a social media presence. It's creepy fans that seek them out based on the limited information she's mentioned in interviews.

Fun story, I have some friends that moved to the city in Illinois Stana grew up in/her family lives and I had visited these friends. I thought that was cool. So I took that info (and relied on other info fans had realized) and started googling, just to see if it was some place I had stumbled upon or might casually recommend to my friends as some place to check out. But as I was googling, I started to feel squicky. Like I was invading the privacy of these people, and it was worse because I literally didn't know them. So I stopped, even though I'm sure the fandom would have been interested I what I found. (Side note: it's scary what's out on the internet.)

I find it appalling that because someone makes more in a year than I likely will in my life, that's consolation for the loss of their personal dignity. (And not even theirs, but also anyone that the choose to have a long term relationship with.) I don't like Nathan Fillion's work. I can tell him that. His work is his product to me. I don't like Nathan Fillion's girlfriend? I can have that opinion, but I cannot tell him that. And I cannot send her tweets telling her I hate her for dating him. His personal life is not his product to me. I cannot comment on his personal life unless he explicitly invites me to comment on his personal life.

And the worst part - even if they do as you suggest and unplug - it won't stop the harassment. People will complain that they don't interact with fans or that they're too entitled or snobbish or private. Welcome to Hollywood. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The problem starts and ends with the intrusive fans. Don't be crazy, don't be a dick, and don't feel like they owe you anything other than their work and maybe they'd willingly share more.

[madmaverick]

I think they've basically agreed to a pact to keep their public interaction to a minimum, and to keep their personal relationship private to themselves.  That's their right, and I respect their choice, as they are the only ones who are cognizant of everything they've been subjected to.  No one on the outside has that information, or can know the personal toil that bad behaviour on the part of some "fans" has caused.  It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.  Yes, I would love to see them interact as freely as they did in the early days, with such a fun vibe, and if circumstances have made that impossible, I'm sad that's the case.  I can only hope that outside influences haven't affected their personal relationship with each other adversely, or their work environment, cause that really would be too bad.

 

At the end of the day, we should just enjoy the characters and actors based on what they give on screen.  Anything else is a bonus.  

 

Let's just hope their next ABC photoshoot photos can at least be a slight improvement on the ones before.  Really low expectations here. ;)  

 

I wish Mr. JML would get a clue and stop pandering to fans who want to see NF & SK take a selfie together.  That's up to them and it takes away all the fun if they're harassed into it. ;)

 

I think the Castle fandom is extremely tame compared to many

 

Really?  That's a scary thought.  I've come across some really hateful, vitriolic stuff about the actors and their personal lives, and I think it was only the tip of the iceberg 'cause I didn't want to read anymore!  No idea about how representative they are, but no doubt they are a very vocal bunch. ;)

 

OT: I never shipped Syd/Vaughn (all about Jack/Irina here :P... which they ruined :(, anyway..) so never followed any BTS drama.  But it seemed to be as a viewer of the show that their 'chemistry' got a bit weird in S3 (they broke up then?), or maybe that just coincided with a decline in the writing.  Not saying that anything has ever happened between Nathan and Stana, but their chemistry doesn't seem to be as consistently strong as before, though that could mainly be down to poorer writing as well.

Edited July 21, 2014 by madmaverick

[verdana]

Has Nathan been on set at all yet?

 

He wasn't on location first day but then he didn't need to be given they were at the crash site but I seem to recall someone reporting he turned up on set the following day. But other than that I can't be sure how many days he worked last week, he then went off to that con for the weekend. I could see his screen time not being quite as much as usual given the circumstances but it surely couldn't be too difficult to rearrange his schedule. It's usually an 8 or 9 (?) day shoot on average so hopefully someone might spot him this week.  They're back out on location again by the sounds of it. 

Edited July 21, 2014 by verdana

[cappuccino]

Was that resolved in a dramatically interesting way?

Well Mulder went on a crazy medical experiement and he couldn't remember what he did and what happened on that weekend. If I remember correctly those memories never came back. They were able to figure out what he had done and what happened due to evidence and witnesses. The flashbacks he had were from his past and what happened with his sister and the whole abduction thing. One of the best X Files and given all the X Files Alumnis on the show....

 

 

So I read a spoiler about Alexis telling the others that Castle was not in the burning car, but not sure if it's confirmed or just speculation.

I think those Spanish girls (at least the report was in Spanish so I just assume they are) who went to the location shoot reported that. I don't really know if they heard the dialoge or just assumed stuff.

 

 

Hm.. if Castle's never presumed dead then I think it takes a bit of drama out of it, and it'll just be a repeat of the Target/Hunt scenario when a loved one was kidnapped. May be a bit cruel to wish for it dramatically, but since they chose to go there in the first place... I think having them think Castle's dead, at least for a little while, would pack more of an emotional punch on the characters and possibly more interesting dramatically.

It depends if they put a body in the car or not. I don't know if you can't tell if someone was in the car when it has burnt to the crisp ? If they find a body they have to do a DNA test or dental. For that period of time they sure think he is dead. Maybe whatever the girls heard was just wishful thinking on Alexis part or something.

 

 

Castle's theories about CIA involvement and mob hits have been dismissed as crazy on the show before.  If it turns out he's right on the money, then the characters should eat humble pie.  Or the writers need to stop dipping into the crazy well so much. ;)

There was a time when I never thought the CIA would pop up on the show, never thought it possible that Beckett had been married... those were the days. ;)

Well we did get a Ninja storyline ....

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3720122/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

 

They list an Agent Connors for episode 1.

Edited July 21, 2014 by cappuccino

[madmaverick]

So 2 doctors and an agent walk into a bar..... does it sound like a good joke or a bad joke?

 

I am beginning to think this show is getting Alias influences, and one of the 3 will turn out to be a bad guy. ;)

 

Apparently Nathan was finally spotted filming on location today, so *spoiler* he's ALIVE! ;)  Or wait, maybe he's a clone or an evil twin or playing dead. ;)  What I want to know is: scruff or no scruff. :P

Edited July 21, 2014 by madmaverick

[verdana]

Here's a tweet confirming he's back.

 

Stana-Katic.com.br @StanaticsBR  ·  2h
SPOILER: According 2 @JulianaAbud_ who's on location watching Castle shooting... There's been a sight of a ruggedly handsome guy there!

 

Stana-Katic.com.br @StanaticsBR  ·  2h
@Deana828 @StanaticsES @JulianaAbud_ She heard Stana's voice. So it looks like she's there.

 

I'm convinced they're going to find Rick before the end of the premiere. They know they pissed of a lot of fans with that finale, there's no way they'll risk alienating people further by having Nathan and Stana apart for an entire episode. Despite all the other misjudgements, Marlowe knows that Caskett are the engine that drives the show.

Edited July 21, 2014 by verdana

[cappuccino]

Apparently Nathan was finally spotted filming on location today, so *spoiler* he's ALIVE! ;) Or wait, maybe he's a clone or an evil twin or playing dead. ;) What I want to know is: scruff or no scruff. :P

If they pick up his scene right after the crash = no scruff BUT if the 2 months time jump is really in there = hopefully yes

[Nadine]

Apparently Nathan was finally spotted filming on location today, so *spoiler* he's ALIVE! ;)  Or wait, maybe he's a clone or an evil twin or playing dead. ;)  What I want to know is: scruff or no scruff. :P

He was on set last Thursday (but I don't know what he filmed) - so technically this is his second day of filming..

 

FWIW, I posted that info a few days ago - but damn it's amazing how people from other boards come and grab info without crediting properly (end of rant).

 

Scruff is the million dollar question! I'm guessing there will be scruff if he's been away for two months, unless someone was kind enough to give him a razor in the two months, etc.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Nadine

[verdana]

He was pictured having a meal a few days ago with scuff....so I'm hopeful.

[verdana]

It would be very difficult for Castle and Beckett to break up on this show given how much they are the central focus of everything, the fans would absolutely hate it and with good reason. There's nothing fresh about having make up/break up routines with couples on TV shows even if it gives the actors something different to do from the usual daily grind. 

[verdana]

And wow Elysium you've worked with some varied and great people there, lucky you. 

[TWP]

 

This too closely skirts the line of blaming the victim. They don't want to be harassed, so they should change their decisions? No. How about the people doing the harassing change their behavior? Having an internet connection and a anonymous twitter handle does not entitle someone to be a dick.

 

If people are doing their due diligence to maintain privacy, maybe privacy is due.  However, when they solicit and achieve 2 million followers on Twitter and put their personal life out for all to see, they should expect some issues.  

 

Actors make the big bucks partly because they give up privacy.  I in no way see them as victimized because a few idiots are mean to them on the internet (names will never hurt me?).  I'd trade my measly wage for theirs and put up with that flack anyday ;-).

[McManda]

I'm not saying that being in the public eye and opening parts of the life to the fans doesn't come with the job. I just don't think it's an excuse to say "well, they make a ton of money, so it's okay". It's not okay.

 

I open my private life - sorta - to my facebook friends, but I still expect people to have a sense of common decency. I know it's not the same because my Facebook friends are all people I know in real life, so theoretically they're not like anonymous people that celebs have to deal with on their social media. And just because these people put parts of their life out for fans to see doesn't invite commentary. We can have opinions. Heck, we can talk about our opinions. We we are not entitled to be dicks about to their social media because we can hide behind anonymity online. The kind of people that twitter bomb someone that might be dating Nathan Fillion that she's ugly and a bitch and shouldn't be dating him or whatever (solely because she's not Stana?) are the problem.

 

Some of it comes with the territory. I get that. The tongue-in-cheek questions from entertainment reports about if they're dating, or talk show hosts asking about hiatus plans, or getting dinner interrupted for a photo or an autograph - those are the kind of things they signed up for.

 

My issue is not the fact that they have to deal with it. Fact is, they probably don't care all that much, at least not when it's not endangering them or those they care about. My issue is that people think it's okay and continue to do it and then complain when they get even less from these people than if they hadn't behaved like crazy psychos.

[Elysium1973]

So now we're going to agree to compare true victims (rape, molestation, crime) to actors on a TV show who, as TVwithpity above, try and cultivate twitter followers? Really? Because that makes me truly sick. If you want privacy as an actor I still believe you can have it. My frame of reference is the people I've worked with and the people I know who are still working in the industry to this day (PM me for details). As talent you can make yourself as accessible as you want - to call paps for tabloid shots (Kartrashians) or mostly stay out of the public eye (Christian Bale, Daniel Day Lewis, etc. etc). Most A list talent really don't need to be on twitter to rally their fan base to promote their latest con appearance or self promotion for PCAs. Can you imagine Meryl Streep doing that? Or even Juliana Marguilese? Good lord.

As verdana stated quite astutely above if ABC chose to give two shits about this show then Stana and Nathan would have to suck it up and do promotion. It's not like either of them are such big stars that they could get out of doing at least yearly promotion if ABC decided to pull rank - but lucky for them no one except their horrible, terrible, abusive fans care so it's all good.

Question for halwideman: since you seem to be on the ball with contract stuff maybe you could answer this - hypothetically could talent add a clause after year three that would eliminate doing joint press? I'm talking about for whatever reason (safety of one or both actors, personality conflicts, etc). I'm not asking you to comment about this situation specifically. Also, what has been your experience with talent negotiating a producer credit and how do their responsibilities change as a result? Just curious.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Elysium1973

[McManda]

So now we're going to agree to compare true victims (rape, molestation, crime) to actors on a TV show who, as TVwithpity above, try and cultivate twitter followers? Really? Because that makes me truly sick.

 

Whoa, I said nothing about comparing them victims of heinous crimes. Let's not misconstrue here. What they're suffering is not at all comparable to any of the crimes that you mentioned. But the fact is, they can still be considered victims of bullying and that is still not okay. The tweets to Nathan's girlfriend about how she's a whore and a bitch and doesn't deserve him, the threats on her well-being, the tweets that got to the point where they both sort of insinuated they weren't above getting police involved. Yeah, that's bullying and yes, they were victims. And no amount of yearly salary ever is going to make something like that okay.

 

It's highly doubtful that when he created that twitter account he though "oh yeah, people get to throw whatever at me and I get to take it because I'm famous". Social media should be used to cultivate fan relationships. It's just too bad that some people can forget social etiquette when the person in question is famous.

 

but lucky for them no one except their horrible, terrible, abusive fans care so it's all good.

 

I also never said all fans were horrible, crazy, or abusive. Just that the one that are - the ones that take the time to send hateful messages to people that didn't open themselves up to the public sector - ruin it for everyone else.

[KaveDweller]

Hm.. if Castle's never presumed dead then I think it takes a bit of drama out of it, and it'll just be a repeat of the Target/Hunt scenario when a loved one was kidnapped. May be a bit cruel to wish for it dramatically, but since they chose to go there in the first place... I think having them think Castle's dead, at least for a little while, would pack more of an emotional punch on the characters and possibly more interesting dramatically.

 

I just don't like the being presumed dead thing because it is so melodramatic.  Castle's a famous guy, and for the world to think he's dead only to come back.....it's just ridiculous and takes the show into soap-opera territory.  And I just don't like the idea of Beckett spending months grieving instead of looking for him.  I feel like it would somehow hurt the relationship, but I'm not sure why I have that in my head.

[FlickerToAFlame]

I read on Twitter today (@becklebeecastle - though no source was given) that fans visiting the set saw both Castle and Beckett investigating a crime scene together. So either they are already reunited in the first episode or it is part of a flashback or dream or something.

Edited July 22, 2014 by FlickerToAFlame

[McManda]

The Guardians of the Galaxy premiere is tonight, and Nathan was there. Looks like no scruff.

[Elysium1973]

You know things are tragic when the only thing we have to look forward to is scruff. And count me in as one of the people who's looking forward to the potential of scruff and not much else.

Demons was a terrific XF episode. But Castle is no XF and never will be.

ETA: looks like it's business as usual with no scruff and just general...fluffiness. Maybe Luke is back to dressing Nathan. Whatever it is, it isn't working for me. Maybe he should put on some spanx.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Elysium1973

[KaveDweller]

Emily and Daniel are the only comparison I can make on Bones, they seem to manage perfectly fine appearing together and laughing and joking around from what limited things I've heard and seen but then I haven't been on the fans forums in years to know if they've had issues or not with personal attacks.  And they're both married of course but I don't think being married makes the crazies ship you any less they still get obsessed.

 

But I think their being married makes it harder for people to assume they are dating IRL.  And maybe people are less likely to threaten an actor's spouse than a random girlfriend?  Not sure that would matter to a crazed fan though.

 

Not saying that anything has ever happened between Nathan and Stana, but their chemistry doesn't seem to be as consistently strong as before, though that could mainly be down to poorer writing as well.

 

It's always hard to tell when you have to factor in the writing. You can't tell if things really changed between the actors when there is such a dramatic change in the quality of the script.  And a change like that always happens after a show's been on long enough. I felt that way about Alias and I think the same thing about Castle. I mean when was the last time the writing even gave them a chance to show chemistry? With Castle, I also think you have to factor in that sometimes certain cast members seem to be phoning in their performance which has an impact on chemistry.

 

I remember someone once posted on TWoP (and then quickly deleted it) saying how they knew someone who knew someone, and that Stana and Nathan had dated during the first season, but not after that.  And there were no real issues on set, even if things weren't the same.  Stana and Nathan showed some great chemistry after that, so if that story was true it doesn't seem like a relationship caused any issues on screen.  But I doubt any of us will ever know the full story.

[Deeda]

I would be really surprised if Nathan and Stana dated, because Nathan has said that he got good advice from his mentor on One Life to Live about 'not shitting where you eat' which he said meant to not date the people you work with, because it could lead to trouble later. 

 

That said, in one interview they did together, I noticed how 'familiar' Stana seemed to be with him, putting her hand on his leg, etc.  Then at that first Paley event, she seemed like she could hardly look at him without getting embarrassed.  And he seemed to make it a point to look at her.  It was adorable.  And then there was the part where she put her finger in her mouth suggestively . . . making both Nathan and Tom Bergeron comment.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Deeda

[verdana]

No. Scruff. *sobs*

 

Yeah that's about all that was getting me excited given what we've heard and seen so far.  

 

Some good close ups here.

 

Actor Nathan Fillion attends the premiere of Marvel’s ‘Guardians Of The Galaxy’ at the Dolby Theatre on July 21, 2014 in Hollywood, California.

 

I believe Luke dresses him at these kind of events too a lot of the time and he seems to have settled on black on black as the best thing for Nathan to wear. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

I read on Twitter today (@becklebeecastle - though no source was given) that fans visiting the set saw both Castle and Beckett investigating a crime scene together. So either they are already reunited in the first episode or it is part of a flashback or dream or something.

The show has never done a dream scenario and by the sounds of it they're not going to start now and they rarely do flashback scenes either so I figure they're back together again, he's found fairly quickly and they start investigating what's happened.  

 

Had to giggle at this, if we hadn't had sightings of Nathan on set I could have assumed may be Castle had a mental breakdown and decided to start a new life and identity elsewhere. I wonder if he's any good? 

Retweeted by Sandra knows best ✌

kati louise @katiwarren  ·  12h

Castle has migrated to the UK and started a new business

https://twitter.com/katiwarren/status/491297976716128257

 

[verdana]

 

I remember someone once posted on TWoP (and then quickly deleted it) saying how they knew someone who knew someone, and that Stana and Nathan had dated during the first season, but not after that.  And there were no real issues on set, even if things weren't the same.  Stana and Nathan showed some great chemistry after that, so if that story was true it doesn't seem like a relationship caused any issues on screen.  But I doubt any of us will ever know the full story.

I remember that one. I think the poster said they knew a guy who had worked as part of the camera crew for a while. I could well believe it because there were certain interviews they did back around then when I was utterly convinced they must be dating just by their body language alone and the way she kept looking and touching him all the time. Obviously could be a load of bullshit, they're actors and they were mad keen then to promote the show which at the time looked like it might not make another season but I really did get that vibe from her especially. Unless she had a bit of crush on him and was just generally excited about what was happening, it was her big break into TV instead of just doing bit parts. 

 

I agree with Deeda there was a period when they were adorable together being interviewed or at events like Paley, especially Stana. I really miss seeing that easy familiarity that was so evident when they were doing their promotional work back then.

It's always hard to tell when you have to factor in the writing. You can't tell if things really changed between the actors when there is such a dramatic change in the quality of the script.  And a change like that always happens after a show's been on long enough. I felt that way about Alias and I think the same thing about Castle. I mean when was the last time the writing even gave them a chance to show chemistry? With Castle, I also think you have to factor in that sometimes certain cast members seem to be phoning in their performance which has an impact on chemistry.

I think the deterioration in the writing has played a huge part in that, it's tough to generate sparkle and zing when you're reading some of the dry, stilted, exposition heavy dialogue they've had to wade through increasingly.  They can still bring it when they want to but it's only brief moments when the script and direction allows it. Nathan could have chemistry with a plank of wood but I've not found him to be firing on all cylinders over the last season and a half, in some episodes unfortunately he's looked to me like a man who is thinking about something else so that doesn't help either. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[madmaverick]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: being on social media doesn't mean one should be subjected to harassment, cyber-bullying, threats, inappropriately intrusive questions and commentary, rudeness, meanness, nastiness etc.etc., regardless of how famous you are, how many followers you have, how much money you earn.  That's all irrelevant in my book of ethics.  It's about basic human decency and treating others with courtesy and respect, and respecting the right to privacy.  Unless you're a Congressman running for office and you decide to post a photo on twitter from inside your pants or something. ;)  Then that becomes a public interest story.

 

But I think their being married makes it harder for people to assume they are dating IRL.

 

I do think if either of them were married, they might feel freer in their interactions.  But who knows, they've basically decided that the real life shipping/speculation is a beast they can't control.  Admit to being curious about Nathan/Stana relationship history too, but we'll never know and that's the way it should be.  Like I said, I just hope that nothing in their personal relationship has been ruined because of fan behaviour.  I do think actors can sense when they have chemistry with another actor or not, and I wonder how they handle that if it's strong, whether that chemistry translates to real life, and how they keep that from affecting their own lives. 

 

I felt that way about Alias and I think the same thing about Castle. I mean when was the last time the writing even gave them a chance to show chemistry?

 

Good question...with puzzling answers really.  They really haven't taken maximum advantage of their best asset for a long time.  Only AM knows why. ;)

 

Oh, Alias.  JJ may be good at coming up with ideas for shows, but not sure I'll ever trust him to finish them properly again.  Maybe it's best he's moved to movies. ;)  Not every showrunner can sustain interest and a vision for a TV show over many years, so it's not surprising that AM is another one of those imo.

 

I do think it's interesting to examine the case of The Good Wife, for any fellow viewers here.  A network procedural drama in its 6th season that critics agree are coming off one of its strongest season yet.  Somehow they've managed to renew the energy in the show and keep the writing going strong.  i don't know about their writer turnover, but it's a network show with industry cred (that Castle would kill for) so maybe they attract good writers anyway.  They juggle a greater number of characters, storylines and dynamics and haven't been afraid to really change things up.  Maybe that's what's kept it going.  It hasn't really relied on a central romantic dynamic as a driving force for the show, though it certainly was a key element in some seasons.  Then they did something drastic, dramatic to end it.  Interesting that though viewers were shocked there, I don't think they reacted with the same kind of negativity many did here after FBFW.  I don't think TGW's doing everything right, but there's surely quite a few things Castle writers could learn from them.  They sure give their excellent actors a lot more meaty stuff to do.  And their married showrunners sure aren't prudish about sex. ;)

Edited July 22, 2014 by madmaverick

[madmaverick]

Bummer.  No scruff.  It really will be a bit off if our first glimpse of Castle in his dungeon cell or whatever is him with a new haircut and cleanly shaven.  His captors have some fetish we don't know about?  Heh.

 

All black is a safe if not particularly interesting wardrobe choice for NF.  He's not looking bad here, but both him and SK have looked a little tired in pics, and it's only the first episode back!  

 

GoTG seems to be getting some good reviews.  Hopefully NF's cameo as "monstrous inmate" (?) is as intriguing as it sounds!

 

I just don't like the being presumed dead thing because it is so melodramatic.  Castle's a famous guy, and for the world to think he's dead only to come back.....it's just ridiculous and takes the show into soap-opera territory.  And I just don't like the idea of Beckett spending months grieving instead of looking for him.  I feel like it would somehow hurt the relationship, but I'm not sure why I have that in my head.

 

 

I guess I think the opposite because since they've chosen to go into soap opera territory with the burning car cliffhanger, I'm prepared for them to go all out and milk the 'death' in all its soap opera glory. ;)  Castle's a famous author and I'd like to see his 'passing' noted in the public arena.  Maybe a short, morbid TV news report (that someone turns off of course) where they mention his books sales are skyrocketing as fans rush to buy his last Nikki Heat book.  Beckett can lovingly trace his final dedication to her in her personal copy of the book. Sob.  They should be doing their usual in show book promotion anyway.  I don't object to seeing Castle's loved ones really grieve because I think that would actually ground the storyline a bit more and also make the emotions of the reunion all the more intense.

Edited July 22, 2014 by madmaverick

[cappuccino]

I read on Twitter today (@becklebeecastle - though no source was given) that fans visiting the set saw both Castle and Beckett investigating a crime scene together. So either they are already reunited in the first episode or it is part of a flashback or dream or something.

So who is up for the theory that Castle just walks into the precinct to pick up Beckett to get the wedding licence ?

 

That's too lame.

[verdana]

mad maverick is right, they've already gone into soap opera territory with certain elements of that finale so they might as well finish off what they started in true soapy fashion.  

 

Nathan Fillion | Guardians of the Galaxy | World Premiere | Red Carpet - short video.

 

I must admit he does look a bit tired and not his usual animated self.  And I always find he seems kind of awkward when he's just standing there with nothing to do with his hands, same in photo shoots. But then I guess there's nothing much you can do in terms of variety when you're being asked to pose and turn left and right by a bunch of baying photographers. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[madmaverick]

verdana, I'd be happy if he looked like this on Castle.  And I'm partial to the kind eyed expression.

http://nathan-fillion.org/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=104493&fullsize=1

 

Maybe he had a long day shooting with an early call time before the premiere as it's the start of the week.  He definitely should try putting one hand in his pocket or something.  But I guess it's still less awkward for the guys than for the ladies.

 

Any details about his cameo in the movie?  Is it blink and you'll miss it?  Does he actually have lines?  Is it a comedic or a dramatic role?

 

Hm... if Castle and Beckett have time to actually investigate a crime (likely Castle's kidnapping) in 7.01, then they are reunited earlier than I would have expected. Halfways or 3/4 through the episode, after the time jump presumably.

[verdana]

I don't watch The Good Wife but when I read your posts I feel that I should because I keep hearing great things about it and I love Julianna Margulies. It appears they're not scared to genuinely take some risks to keep the show as fresh as possible and the characters developing. If the writing is of consistent good quality even if the fans don't like a particular story I think they can forgive a hell of lot more because they can see the care and attention that's going into everything. I find it difficult to be forgiving of obviously lazy storytelling and an attitude from the showrunner that seems to boil down to lets frustrate the fans for as long as we think we can get away with it.

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[cappuccino]

Ehm ok this looks like Castle but man how did they get this close ? Is this Nathan's voice at the end ? Looks as if Espo, Ryan and Beckett are running towards that trailer.

 

http://instagram.com/p/qwdd_iQWC9/

Edited July 22, 2014 by cappuccino

[madmaverick]

Gosh, I guess people can track down filming wherever it is this days.  No escape! ;) 

 

Gotta say, it looks more comedic than dramatic from this angle heh.  Is that Espo and Ryan running ahead first, followed by Beckett at the rear?  Unusual.  Can't tell if that's Nathan's voice but the guy's yelling "Trash!"?  

 

A trailer wouldn't be my choice as Castle's place of imprisonment, if this is what it is.  Not melodramatic enough. ;P ;)

[verdana]

Thanks for the video.

 

I thought it was Espo, Kate and Ryan (in the front) running, you can hear what sounds a bit like Nathan going now, now, now at the end.  But may it's a crew member off camera, but yeah how did this person get that close? It's like they're just standing there beside the crew filming. 

 

mad maverick beat me too it, may be it's a suspect's hide out but if that is where they end up locating Castle after months of desperate searching it's going to be kind of a let down. Heh 

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[cappuccino]

I guess their security is as good as the NYPD's on the show or Beckett's apartment *lol*

 

Maybe they are leaking it themselves or are not as strict since they need the hype.

[verdana]

Andrew Bikichky ‏@AndrewBikichky  23h

“@FredBC77: Hi! You're already in the middle of the 1st ep shooting. Please, something about it! #tease #Castle #S7 ;)”

The plot thickens

 

Andrew is having to gear himself up again to a loooong season of endless questions (some good, some bad, some downright stupid) from fans about the show. And the guy does his best to supply an answer wherenever possible. 

[madmaverick]

I guess their security is as good as the NYPD's on the show or Beckett's apartment *lol*

 

Maybe they are leaking it themselves or are not as strict since they need the hype.

LOL indeed.  Still waiting for the hype though. ;)

[verdana]

I guess their security is as good as the NYPD's on the show or Beckett's apartment *lol*

 

Maybe they are leaking it themselves or are not as strict since they need the hype.

It wouldn't surprise me if they deliberately let certain things get leaked because they know the interest it can stir up with the fans online, just like I'm sure they loved the shots of the proposal getting out and the everyone going crazy over them this time last season. I'm sure we'll get something good taken on location somewhere before the premiere unless they're banking on the deleted scene from Always doing the job instead. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

 

Any details about his cameo in the movie?  Is it blink and you'll miss it?  Does he actually have lines?  Is it a comedic or a dramatic role?

 

Here's a little mention about it from this movie blog, sounds like a very small cameo appearance and a bit of disappointment for those who were expecting something more. 

 

Guardians of the Galaxy spoilers for Nathan Fillion and unlikely cameo

Edited July 22, 2014 by verdana

[Driad]

 

All sorts of things might happen.  Did Castle autograph a stack of books before the wedding?  Those would become extra valuable when he is believed dead, and someone might break into the loft to look for them.  Burglars often take advantage of weddings and funerals, when residents won't be home.

[DivaLite]

I'm a huge fan of The Good Wife, have been since day one, and it amazes me that their 5th season was, arguably, their best. Truly remarkable. And yes, I agree, the writers are just at a higher level, or the showrunners, Mr. & Mrs. King are stronger at the helm. 

 

I know lots of Castle fans like to compare the show to Bones, or Moonlighting, etc., because of the past WTWT story line. However, now that we're going into the 3rd season of C&B as a couple, I think the writers could learn a lot from the writers of The Closer (not Major Crimes). The characters of Brenda and Fritz as a couple was beautiful to watch, for a TV couple of course. They were committed, passionate, affectionate, they argued, they had fun. The series showed the dating, the living together, the married life.